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| First post | 2016-07-10 21:34 -0700 |
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Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-10 21:34 -0700
Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 01:09 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:53 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 06:08 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:00 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:17 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:40 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:23 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:04 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:24 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:28 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:23 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:59 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:33 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:28 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 18:29 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:33 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:04 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:13 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:24 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 08:29 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 07:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:06 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 07:42 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:46 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:52 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:02 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 10:16 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 11:49 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 14:38 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 13:11 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 16:31 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 14:40 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 17:02 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 15:22 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:51 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 17:56 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 20:01 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 18:17 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:55 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:34 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 14:17 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 16:46 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 14:57 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy xxein1@att.net - 2016-07-14 15:05 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 05:12 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:35 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 15:27 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:53 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 01:51 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 18:58 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 02:20 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:31 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 02:43 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 22:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 13:24 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:16 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 07:26 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:44 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:14 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:12 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 23:06 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:31 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-12 19:44 -0400
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:33 -0500
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:23 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:26 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 23:01 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 05:03 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 19:52 +0000
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:41 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:22 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-07-11 11:37 -0400
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:09 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:25 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-11 13:37 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 17:01 -0700
Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 17:34 -0700
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-11 12:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6967ab4b-55c6-451a-af48-5eac95195538@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588797 |
Odd The post above says that there was no calibration of LIGO that can justify the result. People (real physicists; you SAY that you are not) have looked. Still a believer?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 08:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm2rbt$1mkk$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #588802 |
On 7/11/2016 2:24 PM, john wrote: > Odd > The post above says that there > was no calibration of LIGO that > can justify the result. > People (real physicists; you SAY that > you are not) have looked. > > Still a believer? > John, the information in that post is in conflict with some of the published reports from the LIGO collaboration. Have you looked? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-12 07:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6965ff60-8069-406f-9bf0-b864d737d3e5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588882 |
Odd No. Prove it
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 09:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm5htd$1n1g$8@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #588888 |
On 7/12/2016 9:06 AM, john wrote: > Odd > No. So you haven't looked it up. > Prove it What? You're going to not bother to look up information, but in the ABSENCE of information, you're just going to ASSUME something is true? What does this make you, John? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 07:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e6e76333-9250-4873-9666-0df76697f4f2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589051 |
Odd I have no credentials. You have no credentials. Real physicists (you're not one) say there's a calibration issue. You say there isn't. I believe the real physicists.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 09:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm5k8a$1r9h$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589054 |
On 7/13/2016 9:42 AM, john wrote: > Odd > I have no credentials. > You have no credentials. True. > Real physicists (you're not one) > say there's a calibration issue. There appears to be a DISPUTE among real physicists about this. You have read (a little) about ONE SIDE of that dispute without bothering to read (at all) about the other side. > You say there isn't. > I believe the real physicists. Me too. But I've read both sides. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 09:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm5kir$1rr0$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589055 |
On 7/13/2016 9:46 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/13/2016 9:42 AM, john wrote: >> Odd >> I have no credentials. >> You have no credentials. > > True. > >> Real physicists (you're not one) >> say there's a calibration issue. > > There appears to be a DISPUTE among real physicists about this. > You have read (a little) about ONE SIDE of that dispute without > bothering to read (at all) about the other side. > >> You say there isn't. >> I believe the real physicists. > > Me too. But I've read both sides. And this is the disease that courses through your brain like a malarial swoon, John. You read so little, and the little you read, you choose ONLY the sensational, supermarket tabloid, conspiracy-theory-feeding side of things. It doesn't matter whether it's 9/11 or UFOs or mental spoonbending or cold fusion or WHATEVER, when there is 1% of scientists going up against the 99% of scientists, you ONLY care about what the 1% says and you don't bother even looking at what the 99% say. Why this is, I'm not sure. What I am sure of is that you cannot tell whether that 1% is telling the truth, or inventing a fraud, or have been deluded by a fraud. But you apparently DON'T CARE. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 08:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <feced562-f694-4285-9246-469b112185de@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589056 |
Odd Herd mentality is your problem
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 10:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm5m0i$1ud1$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589058 |
On 7/13/2016 10:02 AM, john wrote: > Odd > Herd mentality is your problem > John, if reading BOTH sides of a controversy, including both the 1% and the 99%, is herd mentality, then I can live with it. If avoiding herd mentality means ONLY reading the position of the 1%, this sounds like a sucky approach to me. If asking myself how I would be able to tell whether the 1% is telling the truth, or is promulgating a fraud, or is deluded by a fraud, is a herd mentality, then I can live with that too. If you don't care about how to tell, this sounds like a sucky approach to me too. You cast aspersions on my generally going with the herd. I cast aspersions on your generally being an unquestioning fringe-lover, just because you admire the fringe dwellers and would like to belong to that group. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 11:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1db8374c-87a6-494e-b70f-56d761e3941c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589062 |
Odd Matter magically "warps" Space just by being there. No mechanism- magic. But galaxies don't behave accordingly. So DM is inferred: it magically "warps" Space, also, but it is made from "something different", and is also INVISIBLE!! Space has no structure, but it has properties. It is neither here nor there but it can wave. You believe that! Wow
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 14:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm65c4$n9a$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589090 |
On 7/13/2016 1:49 PM, john wrote: > Odd > > Matter magically "warps" Space just by > being there. Not magic. > No mechanism- magic. Not sure what your expectation is for a "mechanism". You mean solid matter thingies touching solid matter thingies? So here's a puzzle for you, John. Two magnets placed in vacuum will exert torques so that the N and S poles get close to each other. Now, you can either say that this happens "magically", dismissing any explanation from classical physics how this happens; or you can say, maybe it's not magic but it doesn't happen according to a "mechanism" the way John thinks of a mechanism; or you can say, "I believe it does happen by a mechanism of solid matter thingies touching solid matter thingies, and here's exactly my idea how this works...." > But galaxies don't behave accordingly. > So DM is inferred: it magically "warps" Space, > also, but it is made from "something > different", and is also INVISIBLE!! Well, it's not visible with light because it doesn't interact with light, but invisible is different than undetectable. Chlorine gas is invisible, but it's detectable. Dark matter is invisible, but it's certainly thought to be detectable. > > Space has no structure, but it has properties. Yup. Freaks you out, I know. > It is neither here nor there but it can wave. I don't know what "neither here nor there" is supposed to mean, so I assume it's froth. But wave, yes. > > You believe that! > Wow > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 13:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <76e6c78f-34c2-460f-800b-70011174fc7e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589094 |
Odd What is your mechanism for how gravity "warps" the Space that you says has no structure to begin with, you schizoid? You'll never say, because it must happen by magic.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 16:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm6c06$11r9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589102 |
On 7/13/2016 3:11 PM, john wrote: > Odd > What is your mechanism for > how gravity "warps" the Space that you > says has no structure to begin with, > you schizoid? > You'll never say, because it must happen > by magic. > John, we've had this discussion before, and I've given you a couple of really good reading references for books that are actually more than 2 pages long. When I've done this for you (at your request), you have stated that you believe that explanations should be no more than a few paragraphs in ordinary, colloquial language. Such a petulant demand is both childish and irrational. If you want to learn what the mechanism is, especially since you are the one ASKING ABOUT IT, then you will pick up one of those books and READ IT. If you don't really care what the mechanism is and are certainly not interested in reading a book about the mechanism, then WHY THE FUCK do you keep asking for it? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | mapou001@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 14:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <015e6fe6-8c88-4225-b16d-f85f968710c6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589114 |
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 2:31:55 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/13/2016 3:11 PM, john wrote: > > Odd > > What is your mechanism for > > how gravity "warps" the Space that you > > says has no structure to begin with, > > you schizoid? > > You'll never say, because it must happen > > by magic. > > > > John, we've had this discussion before, and I've given you a couple of > really good reading references for books that are actually more than 2 > pages long. When I've done this for you (at your request), you have > stated that you believe that explanations should be no more than a few > paragraphs in ordinary, colloquial language. > > Such a petulant demand is both childish and irrational. > > If you want to learn what the mechanism is, especially since you are the > one ASKING ABOUT IT, then you will pick up one of those books and READ > IT. If you don't really care what the mechanism is and are certainly not > interested in reading a book about the mechanism, then WHY THE FUCK do > you keep asking for it? > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables This is Big Brother BS. There is no mechanism and John is correct. It's a pile of crap. There is no mechanism because there is neither space nor time. As Immanuel Kant would put it, if space exists, where is it? And if time exists, where is it? If unicorns exist, where are they? There exist only particles, their properties and their interactions. Everything else is either voodoo crap or abstract.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 17:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm6dq3$14kg$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589118 |
On 7/13/2016 4:40 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 2:31:55 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 7/13/2016 3:11 PM, john wrote: >>> Odd >>> What is your mechanism for >>> how gravity "warps" the Space that you >>> says has no structure to begin with, >>> you schizoid? >>> You'll never say, because it must happen >>> by magic. >>> >> >> John, we've had this discussion before, and I've given you a couple of >> really good reading references for books that are actually more than 2 >> pages long. When I've done this for you (at your request), you have >> stated that you believe that explanations should be no more than a few >> paragraphs in ordinary, colloquial language. >> >> Such a petulant demand is both childish and irrational. >> >> If you want to learn what the mechanism is, especially since you are the >> one ASKING ABOUT IT, then you will pick up one of those books and READ >> IT. If you don't really care what the mechanism is and are certainly not >> interested in reading a book about the mechanism, then WHY THE FUCK do >> you keep asking for it? >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > This is Big Brother BS. There is no mechanism and John is correct. It's a pile of crap. Sorry, but what you've stated is that YOU PERSONALLY DON'T ACCEPT the mechanism, not that there is no mechanism. Two completely different things. I'll tell you what magic is. Magic is when every explanation you would accept for a surprise gets ruled out. Since you do not accept any other explanation, the only alternative is magic. This is what magicians do for a living. He surprises you, you develop some explanations in your head for how that happened, and then the magician shows you that those explanations are ruled out. So you're left with magic and mystery. Of course, it's not REALLY magic and mystery. There's a perfectly sensible explanation for what happened. But some IDIOTS out there will insist that explanation is not acceptable and reject it, and they are left with magic. > > There is no mechanism because there is neither space nor time. As Immanuel Kant would > put it, if space exists, where is it? And if time exists, where is it? If unicorns exist, where are they? Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? > > There exist only particles, their properties and their interactions. That's YOUR preconceived list of acceptable explanations, and you simply don't listen to any explanation that doesn't resolve to this. That's what's called pig-headed. And of course, there are lots of things that are magical to you as a result. > Everything else is either voodoo crap or abstract. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | mapou001@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 15:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <538b825c-7c2b-4acd-9fff-a9fbd9875a3a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589121 |
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >[crap deleted] > Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point in time and space, where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point in time and space to they exist? Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 19:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm6nlr$1g8v$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589126 |
On 7/13/2016 5:22 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> [crap deleted] >> Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? > > This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point > in time and space, ' The suppositive clause is false. It is simply not true, nor is it believed by scientists that everything MUST exist at a particular point in time and space. Moreover, this has been true since decades prior to Einstein's birth. So not only do you have to catch up a little with 19th century physics, but you should review history a little. > where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point > in time and space to they exist? > > Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the > Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | mapou001@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 17:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8a1767af-6f44-4eca-9abc-d40db5b64702@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589150 |
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:51:13 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/13/2016 5:22 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> [crap deleted] > >> Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? > > > > This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point > > in time and space, ' > > The suppositive clause is false. It is simply not true, nor is it > believed by scientists that everything MUST exist at a particular point > in time and space. Moreover, this has been true since decades prior to > Einstein's birth. > > So not only do you have to catch up a little with 19th century physics, > but you should review history a little. > > > where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point > > in time and space to they exist? > > > > Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the > > Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal. > > > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables Total BS. GR not only claims that bodies exist in spacetime, they can curve it as well. Of course, nobody bothered to tell those crackpots and con artists that spacetime is a block universe in which nothing happens. Not everybody is fooled. Big Brother crappy physics is alive and well but not for long.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 20:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nm6o9n$1gue$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #589152 |
On 7/13/2016 7:56 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:51:13 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 7/13/2016 5:22 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> [crap deleted] >>>> Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? >>> >>> This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point >>> in time and space, ' >> >> The suppositive clause is false. It is simply not true, nor is it >> believed by scientists that everything MUST exist at a particular point >> in time and space. Moreover, this has been true since decades prior to >> Einstein's birth. >> >> So not only do you have to catch up a little with 19th century physics, >> but you should review history a little. >> >>> where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point >>> in time and space to they exist? >>> >>> Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the >>> Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > Total BS. GR not only claims that bodies exist in spacetime, they can curve it as well. You have obviously not recalled 19th century physics, including fields, which do not exist at a particular place or time. Nor has 19th century physics limited its domain and its explanations to particles, their properties, and their interactions. See for example, the energy stored in a field, a measurement AND calculation done decades before Einstein was born. > Of course, nobody bothered to tell those crackpots and con artists that spacetime is a > block universe in which nothing happens. You are MISTAKEN about it being a block universe, and it would be lovely if you might just CONSIDER the possibility that you have mislearned something. Or is that possibility of fallibility something that just does not apply to you? > Not everybody is fooled. Big Brother crappy > physics is alive and well but not for long. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | mapou001@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-07-13 18:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <488b88e3-f943-4d22-af95-b4d20135cc03@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #589154 |
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 6:01:50 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 7/13/2016 7:56 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 5:51:13 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 7/13/2016 5:22 PM, mapou001@gmail.com wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 3:02:49 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> [crap deleted] > >>>> Why do you think existence is tied to particular location in time in space? > >>> > >>> This is precisely my point. If everything that exists must exist at a particular point > >>> in time and space, ' > >> > >> The suppositive clause is false. It is simply not true, nor is it > >> believed by scientists that everything MUST exist at a particular point > >> in time and space. Moreover, this has been true since decades prior to > >> Einstein's birth. > >> > >> So not only do you have to catch up a little with 19th century physics, > >> but you should review history a little. > >> > >>> where is space? And where is time? If they exist, at what point > >>> in time and space to they exist? > >>> > >>> Infinite self-referential regress is a festering sore, a direct symptom of the > >>> Einsteinian cancer that has invaded the field of physics. It's criminal. > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > > Total BS. GR not only claims that bodies exist in spacetime, they can curve it as well. > > You have obviously not recalled 19th century physics, including fields, > which do not exist at a particular place or time. Nor has 19th century > physics limited its domain and its explanations to particles, their > properties, and their interactions. See for example, the energy stored > in a field, a measurement AND calculation done decades before Einstein > was born. > > > Of course, nobody bothered to tell those crackpots and con artists that spacetime is a > > block universe in which nothing happens. > > You are MISTAKEN about it being a block universe, and it would be lovely > if you might just CONSIDER the possibility that you have mislearned > something. Or is that possibility of fallibility something that just > does not apply to you? > > > Not everybody is fooled. Big Brother crappy > > physics is alive and well but not for long. > > > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables You are either a deluded fool or a con artist. I have come to realize that Einsteinian physics is a way for the oppressed Jews of Europe to raise a hero for themselves. It's a defense mechanism. They should do like Moses and place more faith in their God Yahweh instead. Einstein will not save them. They spend so much energy defending a powerless ghost. What a waste.
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