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| Started by | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2016-04-23 08:18 -0500 |
| Last post | 2016-05-04 07:38 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 201 — 19 participants |
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Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 08:18 -0500
Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 06:33 -0700
Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 07:51 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 08:00 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 12:59 -0400
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 12:57 -0400
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 10:47 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 23:27 -0400
Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 06:41 -0700
Re: Point particle Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-23 14:19 -0700
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 14:48 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:18 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:27 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:32 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 08:05 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:17 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:39 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:16 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:57 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 08:32 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 08:51 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 13:29 -0400
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:23 -0500
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 00:32 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:23 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 12:32 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 12:40 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:12 -0500
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:59 -0500
Re: Point particle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-25 20:24 +0000
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 13:44 -0700
Re: Point particle jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-25 10:38 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 11:00 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 21:34 -0400
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 18:51 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 22:36 -0400
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 07:41 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 07:33 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 10:06 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 08:19 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 10:39 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 10:26 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 14:09 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 12:15 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 14:20 -0500
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 15:03 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 17:21 -0500
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 15:26 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 19:47 -0500
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-26 21:29 -0400
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 07:35 -0500
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:35 -0700
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 15:08 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 19:32 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:03 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 02:04 -0700
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 16:10 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 00:16 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 08:39 -0500
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 19:37 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-30 00:38 -0400
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 04:56 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-30 12:23 -0400
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 09:35 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:41 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 10:47 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:37 -0500
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 02:38 -0700
Re: Point particle "Buck Futter" <invalide@example.com> - 2016-05-03 11:49 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 11:00 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 15:03 -0400
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:15 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 14:35 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 21:22 -0400
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 09:41 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 10:22 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-30 13:36 -0400
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 10:53 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-30 14:04 -0400
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 06:17 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 11:54 -0400
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 09:12 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 12:46 -0400
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 10:27 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 09:49 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:22 -0500
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-02 13:00 -0400
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:35 -0500
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 14:21 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 14:47 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 06:01 -0500
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 12:54 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 16:58 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 17:09 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 06:53 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 06:11 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 09:52 -0500
Re: Point particle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-03 15:46 +0000
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 13:17 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 16:27 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 19:03 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 22:43 -0700
Re: Point particle "Buck Futter" <invalide@example.com> - 2016-04-30 13:56 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:54 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 17:21 -0500
Re: Point particle jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-26 11:27 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 14:15 -0500
Re: Point particle jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-27 03:27 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 04:56 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 08:16 -0500
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:07 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:11 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:30 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:35 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:46 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 05:52 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 08:20 -0500
Re: Point particle edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-04-27 10:37 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-27 11:34 -0400
Re: Point particle edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-04-27 10:42 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:49 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 10:59 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 13:23 -0500
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:50 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:45 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 04:51 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 05:06 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 05:48 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 05:51 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-28 09:33 -0400
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 07:47 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-28 22:45 -0400
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 00:27 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 02:03 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 03:32 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 05:12 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-28 09:06 -0400
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-28 09:06 -0400
Re: Point particle moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-27 13:42 +0000
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:47 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:27 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:31 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:25 -0700
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 13:10 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:02 -0500
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:31 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:42 -0500
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:46 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:36 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:45 -0700
Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:31 -0700
Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 16:51 -0700
Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 17:53 -0700
Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 18:35 -0700
Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 19:07 -0700
Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 19:17 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 22:40 -0400
Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:19 -0700
Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 20:54 -0700
Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:12 -0700
Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:27 -0700
Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:42 -0700
Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:59 -0700
Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 23:14 -0700
Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-04-29 22:31 -0500
Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-29 21:22 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-26 03:14 -0400
Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 21:39 -0700
Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 21:06 -0700
Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 21:33 -0700
Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 21:58 -0700
Re: Point particle ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 22:09 -0700
Re: Point particle "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-25 22:41 -0700
Re: Is any of this true, "ClutterFreak" ? ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-05-02 08:08 -0500
Re: Is any of this true, "ClutterFreak" ? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-02 11:08 -0700
Re: Is any of this true, "ClutterFreak" ? "Anon E. Mouse" <nobody@home.invalid> - 2016-05-03 08:25 -0400
Re: Is any of this true, "ClutterFreak" ? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-05-03 08:36 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:45 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:50 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:24 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:07 -0700
Re: Point particle Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:23 -0500
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 00:42 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 00:25 -0700
Re: Point particle benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 04:19 -0400
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:18 -0700
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:23 -0700
Re: Point particle HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:30 -0700
Re: Point particle Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:27 -0700
Re: Point particle "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 00:50 -0700
Re: Point particle "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 11:01 -0700
Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:47 -0500
Re: Point particle john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 13:53 -0700
Re: Point particle "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 14:33 -0700
Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 16:37 -0500
Re: Point particle "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 13:03 -0700
Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:52 -0500
Re: Point particle "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:44 -0700
Re: Point particle "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 20:19 -0700
Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 19:49 -0500
Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 07:38 -0500
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-28 01:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0b8f0b5c-2ac7-455f-8f75-c77e35482acb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573670 |
On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 3:30:18 PM UTC+3, HVAC wrote: > john > Gotta agree with you there, Y. > -------------- > > You agree with him because he's an idiot just like you. You kooks get hung up on a word. A word that you ascribe an incorrect meaning to. A point particle is not the same 'point' as a singularity. > > John have you EVER opened a book on the subject of physics? Ever? > > > Free your mind. Your ass will follow ======================== Havac go better fuck your mother !!! you will not cheat every body forever !! ============== Y.P ========================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-28 01:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9662594c-b261-4a5c-b078-22d6c1e38b2a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573670 |
On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 3:30:18 PM UTC+3, HVAC wrote: > john > Gotta agree with you there, Y. > -------------- > > You agree with him because he's an idiot just like you. You kooks get hung up on a word. A word that you ascribe an incorrect meaning to. A point particle is not the same 'point' as a singularity. > > John have you EVER opened a book on the subject of physics? Ever? > > > Free your mind. Your ass will follow ================== so little dreck what is it the electron if you don t know -say 'i don t know ' or else go better fuck your mother Y.P =====================================
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-28 01:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <42b813cf-c561-46ba-889d-bd36e55df1a1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573668 |
On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 3:11:19 PM UTC+3, john wrote: > Gotta agree with you there, Y. ========================== Thank you John !! we will not let the parroting shameless pigs to prevail and hold physics back[ forever !! ATB Y.Porat ========================================== Y.P =================
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| From | "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 13:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4c73a72d-38d1-42f5-93af-11b63b6dcc00@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573064 |
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 5:27:15 AM UTC-7, HVAC wrote: > "A point particle... is an idealization of particles heavily used in > physics." > > The key word is "idealization": > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealization > > "Idealization is the process by which scientific models assume facts about > the phenomenon being modeled that are strictly false but make models easier > to understand or solve." Since I posted the material you quoted, I'll assume you're replying to me. > It was Galileo who introduced the concept to explain the motion of falling > objects. 'Modeling' of physical concepts proved extremely useful when > conducting experiments. Yes, and yes. > We still do this today. Of course we do, and for the same reasons Galileo did. > It is still useful. It is, but only when we carefully delineate which falsehoods we assume and the ranges over which we may use them. > Why do you resist the inevitable logic? There is no "inevitable logic" there. What you left out of "modeling" is the "idealization" part. Galileo idealized for instance homogeneity and perfect rigidity of his materials, no air resistance, the constancy of the gravitational field of Earth at different altitudes, the same kind of universal time that Newton assumed, and more. All of those idealizations are false. That they didn't show up in the kinds of experiments he could do is irrelevant. The problem arises when people extend those falsehoods beyond the ranges of size, speed, and time Galileo could access. That's why we have relativity deniers, Flat Earthers, and people who insist that "fundamental particles" have zero volume and no components. Forgetting that idealizations *are* idealizations is stoopid. Mark L. Fergerson
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 16:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nfm0k7$1vvd$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #573181 |
On 4/25/2016 3:10 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote: > There is no "inevitable logic" there. What you left out of "modeling" is the "idealization" part. > Galileo idealized for instance homogeneity and perfect rigidity of his materials, no air resistance, > the constancy of the gravitational field of Earth at different altitudes, the same kind of universal > time that Newton assumed, and more. > > All of those idealizations are false. That they didn't show up in the kinds of experiments he could > do is irrelevant. > > The problem arises when people extend those falsehoods beyond the ranges of size, speed, and time > Galileo could access. > > That's why we have relativity deniers, Flat Earthers, and people who insist that "fundamental > particles" have zero volume and no components. > > Forgetting that idealizations*are* idealizations is stoopid. With all respect, I strongly disagree with your statement that "idealizations are false". What counts is whether the ways that a particular physical system deviates from the idealization MATTER in the form of measurements being taken. For example, any projectile launched on the surface of the earth is going to exhibit the Coriolis effect, but for playing billiards, it just isn't going to matter in the measurements involved and so can be ignored. The relevance of this has to do with how science validates any scientific idea -- that is, comparison with experiment. That is, the ONLY way we can tell whether some idea is right or wrong is by comparing to measurements, and so the sensitivity of the measurement to factors beyond the idealization is key in the outcome of that comparison between model and measurement. If the idealization agrees with experiment, to within the precision of the measurement, then the idealization is considered VALID, not false. If we declared all such idealizations "false", then you would consider also the laws of conservation of momentum and energy and charge to be "false", which I'm pretty sure scientists don't do. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 14:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fac1df73-20f1-45cb-a96f-0174f439e8df@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573209 |
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 2:02:08 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 4/25/2016 3:10 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote: > > There is no "inevitable logic" there. What you left out of "modeling" is > > the "idealization" part. > > Galileo idealized for instance homogeneity and perfect rigidity of his > > materials, no air resistance, the constancy of the gravitational field of > > Earth at different altitudes, the same kind of universal time that Newton > > assumed, and more. > > > > All of those idealizations are false. That they didn't show up in the > > kinds of experiments he could do is irrelevant. > > > > The problem arises when people extend those falsehoods beyond the ranges > > of size, speed, and time Galileo could access. > > > > That's why we have relativity deniers, Flat Earthers, and people who > > insist that "fundamental particles" have zero volume and no components. > > > > Forgetting that idealizations*are* idealizations is stoopid. > > With all respect, I strongly disagree with your statement that > "idealizations are false". It's a quote from the Wiki article that I happen to agree with. > What counts is whether the ways that a > particular physical system deviates from the idealization MATTER in the > form of measurements being taken. For example, any projectile launched > on the surface of the earth is going to exhibit the Coriolis effect, but > for playing billiards, it just isn't going to matter in the measurements > involved and so can be ignored. You've stated it backwards. The equivalent argument to "fundamental particles have no constituent parts and occupy zero volume" would be that since Coriolis plays no discernible part in billiards, it can be ignored in launching ICBMs. > The relevance of this has to do with how science validates any > scientific idea -- that is, comparison with experiment. That is, the > ONLY way we can tell whether some idea is right or wrong is by comparing > to measurements, and so the sensitivity of the measurement to factors > beyond the idealization is key in the outcome of that comparison between > model and measurement. If the idealization agrees with experiment, to > within the precision of the measurement, then the idealization is > considered VALID, not false. Fine, as long as we remember to only use it in the proper regimes of size, speed, and time. > If we declared all such idealizations "false", then you would consider > also the laws of conservation of momentum and energy and charge to be > "false", which I'm pretty sure scientists don't do. Why do you say that? I would do no such thing. Mark L. Fergerson
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 16:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nfm2vp$3tk$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #573219 |
On 4/25/2016 4:31 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote: >> >If we declared all such idealizations "false", then you would consider >> >also the laws of conservation of momentum and energy and charge to be >> >"false", which I'm pretty sure scientists don't do. > Why do you say that? I would do no such thing. Well, for one thing, the statements apply in closed systems. And systems can be considered closed only in idealization. And if idealizations are considered "false", well.... maybe you mean to say that they are not false in the domain where the systems can be considered "close enough" to closed to be able to test that hypothesis. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 16:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nfm37p$4i4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #573219 |
On 4/25/2016 4:31 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote: > You've stated it backwards. The equivalent argument to "fundamental particles have no > constituent parts and occupy zero volume" would be that since Coriolis plays no discernible > part in billiards, it can be ignored in launching ICBMs. Not quite. With the Coriolis effect, we have measurement cases where it is insignificant and where it is significant. But with electrons, the statement is, "To date, we have NO experimental measurements that indicate any domain where structure would be significant." Regardless, it is not true that the idealization of ignoring the Coriolis effect is false. As you say, it is certainly NOT false within the domain where the Coriolis effect is not significant. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 15:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a5e4fea0-0d4a-40e3-b4a5-f93f9eaf75bb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573228 |
Regardless. Our Odd
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 16:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <45e2011e-6ae3-4bd5-a8b5-3eb8cc04f204@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573240 |
john Regardless. ---------------- Regardless of the lack of absolutely zero observational, theoretical or experimental evidence, you are the one who is claiming that electrons are not fundamental particles and have the structure of galaxies. The conversation has gone far afield into the minutiae of word definitions, but that is your unsupported and ultimately unsupportable claim. Certainly you agree John?
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| From | ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 16:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <316dc580-2c75-4f58-970a-bfd84f9698f5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573228 |
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 4:46:39 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> statement is [for electrons], "To date, we have NO experimental measurements that
> indicate any domain where structure would be significant."
>
I think structure of electrons are significant anywhere that they show wave property. Wave property of anything points to existence of structure in it.
You guys have been too much into "applied" physics. There is physics and there is applied physics.
--
"Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And
have a good laugh when it seeps down on
your face."
- Bert
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 16:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nfmahp$jv4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #573250 |
clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> "ClutterFreak" who used to yodel his "Allah Akbar" as "ExcelFreak", "BioFreak" or <"MathFreak"@FakeAddress.com> is Mehram Maleki, the irate, black Iranian Muslim, who uttered: "Jews' lineage & law must be accounted as filth" while he is the personal slave of Faceshitter Jew Glazier, "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> to whom Mehram demonstrates his worship & his devotion by lying under & literally shit-eating Glazier's turd: <http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg> and then Maleki wrote: " iss aaal goo, biatch :-)" > hanson wrote: LOL , and Mehram, the Iranian Shit-Eater, **smiled**. Mehram, all Jews will love you for your smile of approval. Carry on you filthy pig... Allah does not want you now. No Huris nor any raisins for you. Pity.... but IROTFLMAO
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| From | ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 17:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3084469b-5fdf-44d2-9739-4ce7500ff6ac@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573259 |
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 6:54:50 PM UTC-5, hanson wrote:
> clutterfreak@gmail.com> "ClutterFreak"
> who used to yodel his "Allah Akbar" as "ExcelFreak",
Hanson don't mind the signature, it's just so poetic I can't help it :)
--
"Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And
have a good laugh when it seeps down on
your face."
- Bert
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 18:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nfmgfo$3an$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #573282 |
"ClutterFreak" <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote: > hanson wrote: >> clutterfreak@gmail.com> "ClutterFreak" who used to >> yodel his "Allah Akbar" as "ExcelFreak", wrote: > Hanson don't mind the signature, it's just so poetic I can't help it :) > -- > "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And > have a good laugh when it seeps down on > your face." - Bert > hansn wrote: LOL. I don't mind nor care. I have administered <http://tinyurl.com/G-EMC2-Recall-Therapy> ... to the mental cripple <http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier> for a long time. It contains the reference to Glazier's criminal graveyard vandalism, that you call "poetic"... > Of course , Mehran, you can't help it since you are Glazier's slave and firmly in the clutches & UNDER Glazier's control, from where you are do his bidding. For that reason I will continue to administer to you also, until you become aware of whar are doing given that... > ... <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> "ClutterFreak" who used to yodel his "Allah Akbar" as "ExcelFreak", "BioFreak" or <"MathFreak"@FakeAddress.com> is Mehram Maleki, the irate, black Iranian Muslim, who uttered: "Jews' lineage & law must be accounted as filth" while he is the personal slave of Faceshitter Jew Glazier, "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> to whom Mehram demonstrates his worship & his devotion by lying under & literally shit-eating Glazier's turd: <http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg> and then Maleki wrote: " iss aaal goo, biatch :-)" > hanson wrote: LOL , and Mehram, the Iranian Shit-Eater, **smiled**. Mehram, all Jews will love you for your smile of approval. Carry on you filthy pig... Allah does not want you now. No Huris nor any raisins for you. Pity.... but IROTFLMAO
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| From | ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 19:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1197a671-e46d-42fa-82e5-4e1ade2d442c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573288 |
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 8:36:08 PM UTC-5, hanson wrote:
>
> to the mental cripple Glazier
He is communicating with others more normally than you do. People in this lounge, including myself, would rather talk to him than to you. If you're not that far gone go figure this out.
--
"Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And
have a good laugh when it seeps down on
your face."
- Bert
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 19:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b6783577-35a4-4018-a9b0-bafc89c159b6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573294 |
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 10:08:01 PM UTC-4, ClutterFreak wrote: > On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 8:36:08 PM UTC-5, hanson wrote: > > > > to the mental cripple Glazier > > He is communicating with others more normally than you do. People in > this lounge, including myself, would rather talk to him than to > you. If you're not that far gone go figure this out. Hey Freak of Clutters, no No NO! Nobody on Earth communicates with your loveShit Glazier. Type whatever words befits your insanity. Despite Sir hanson's many repeat contents, hanson offers great physics insights as regularly scheduled upon any Usenet. > -- > "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And > have a good laugh when it seeps down on > your face." > - Bert ClutterFreakFuck, first and most of all, use the name your Mom and whoever your Dads might be, when interacting on Usenet/WWW/... -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: ClutterFreakFuck, stop your idiocy.”
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| From | benj <nobodyxx@gmail> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 22:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <571ed510$0$18130$c3e8da3$a9097924@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #573296 |
On 04/25/2016 10:17 PM, Mahipal wrote: > On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 10:08:01 PM UTC-4, ClutterFreak wrote: >> On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 8:36:08 PM UTC-5, hanson wrote: >>> >>> to the mental cripple Glazier >> >> He is communicating with others more normally than you do. People in >> this lounge, including myself, would rather talk to him than to >> you. If you're not that far gone go figure this out. > > Hey Freak of Clutters, no No NO! Nobody on Earth communicates with > your loveShit Glazier. Type whatever words befits your insanity. > > Despite Sir hanson's many repeat contents, hanson offers great physics > insights as regularly scheduled upon any Usenet. > >> -- >> "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And >> have a good laugh when it seeps down on >> your face." >> - Bert > > ClutterFreakFuck, first and most of all, use the name your Mom and > whoever your Dads might be, when interacting on Usenet/WWW/... > > -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: ClutterFreakFuck, stop your idiocy.” > No can do, Maple Loops. ClutterFreakFuck never knew "mom" and "dad" was the guy who flipped over the flat rock and took off immediately after seeing what was beneath it.
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| From | ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 21:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <22193de6-5cf4-4cb1-9511-8adb5d0076ce@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573299 |
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 9:40:19 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
> No can do, Maple Loops. ClutterFreakFuck never knew "mom" and "dad" was
> the guy who flipped over the flat rock and took off immediately after
> seeing what was beneath it.
So who is this "Pons" you're so fund of. I couldn't even google the tawnie guy.
--
"Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And
have a good laugh when it seeps down on
your face."
- Bert
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| From | ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 20:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b48e16bf-f314-4b0c-a26a-ace95786117a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573296 |
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 9:17:55 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 10:08:01 PM UTC-4, ClutterFreak wrote:
> > On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 8:36:08 PM UTC-5, hanson wrote:
> > >
> > > to the mental cripple Glazier
> >
> > He is communicating with others more normally than you do. People in
> > this lounge, including myself, would rather talk to him than to
> > you. If you're not that far gone go figure this out.
>
> Hey Freak of Clutters, no No NO! Nobody on Earth communicates with
> your loveShit Glazier. Type whatever words befits your insanity.
>
> Despite Sir hanson's many repeat contents, hanson offers great physics
> insights as regularly scheduled upon any Usenet.
>
> > --
> > "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And
> > have a good laugh when it seeps down on
> > your face."
> > - Bert
>
> ClutterFreakFuck, first and most of all, use the name your Mom and
> whoever your Dads might be, when interacting on Usenet/WWW/...
>
> -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: ClutterFreakFuck, stop your idiocy.”
A Hindu jealous of Bert. Great. Hehe
--
"Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And
have a good laugh when it seeps down on
your face."
- Bert
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-25 21:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8fdf6dd7-496e-448d-b4de-2e9456724bcb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #573309 |
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 11:54:29 PM UTC-4, ClutterFreak wrote: > On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 9:17:55 PM UTC-5, Mahipal wrote: > > On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 10:08:01 PM UTC-4, ClutterFreak wrote: > > > On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 8:36:08 PM UTC-5, hanson wrote: > > > > > > > > to the mental cripple Glazier > > > > > > He is communicating with others more normally than you do. People in > > > this lounge, including myself, would rather talk to him than to > > > you. If you're not that far gone go figure this out. > > > > Hey Freak of Clutters, no No NO! Nobody on Earth communicates with > > your loveShit Glazier. Type whatever words befits your insanity. > > > > Despite Sir hanson's many repeat contents, hanson offers great physics > > insights as regularly scheduled upon any Usenet. > > > > > -- > > > "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And > > > have a good laugh when it seeps down on > > > your face." > > > - Bert > > > > ClutterFreakFuck, first and most of all, use the name your Mom and > > whoever your Dads might be, when interacting on Usenet/WWW/... > > > > -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: ClutterFreakFuck, stop your idiocy.” > > A Hindu jealous of Bert. Great. Hehe A) Internet is real time, I==Mahipal have never claimed to be a Hindu. B) I'd love being a Hindu, Muslim, or Christian, Jew, or ...youKnow. C) Got any other options for me to be? By youKnow, I mean, what's left... D) Jealous of Bert?! What ClutterFreakFuck, how much do you suck of Bert's shit?! E) Your Mom remembers who your Dad(s) actually might be(were)? Ask(ed) her? F) Even a female bitch, like you are, can fuck only so much... -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: ClutterFreakFuck, I can IP trace you...”
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