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  ITER superconductor production nears completion Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 09:05 -0500
    ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 13:03 -0700
      Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 15:33 -0500
        Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 19:51 -0700
          Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-20 23:12 -0500
            Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 06:54 -0500
              Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 06:09 -0700
                Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 06:30 -0700
                  Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:20 -0500
                    Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 08:08 -0700
                      Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 17:29 +0200
                        Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 18:08 +0200
                          Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:16 -0700
                            Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 18:29 +0200
                            Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:33 -0700
                              Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 18:45 +0200
                              Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 12:27 -0500
                                Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 10:46 -0700
                                  Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 15:48 -0500
                                    Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 15:56 -0700
                                      Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 19:53 -0500
                                        Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 19:42 -0700
                                        Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 06:56 +0200
                                          Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 06:43 -0700
                                            Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 16:11 +0200
                                              Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 13:56 -0700
                                                Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 16:18 -0500
                                                  Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 14:29 -0700
                                                    Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 16:46 -0500
                                                      Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 15:50 -0700
                                                        Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 18:52 -0500
                                                          Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 17:08 -0700
                                                            Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 19:49 -0500
                                                      Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 01:10 -0400
                                                        Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 06:46 -0500
                                                  Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 01:14 -0400
                                                Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 09:56 +0200
                            Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 19:04 +0200
                      Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 12:24 -0500
                    Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 17:23 +0200
                Re: ITER superconductor production nears completion Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:17 -0500

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#522000 — ITER superconductor production nears completion

ITER superconductor production nears completion
> http://phys.org/news/2015-09-iter-superconductor-production-nears.html


> The single largest superconductor procurement in industrial history
> is drawing to a successful close. An eight-year campaign to produce
> the superconductors for ITER's powerful magnet systems is in its
> final stages, with nearly 70 percent of the conductor unit lengths
> accepted by the ITER Organization. Six ITER Members—China, Europe,
> Japan, Korea, Russia and the United States—have been responsible for
> the production of 200 kilometres (2,800 metric tons) of
> cable-in-conduit conductors, worth an estimated EUR 610 million.

> Without superconductivity, the pursuit of fusion energy would be
> impossible. Superconductors consume less power and are cheaper to
> operate than conventional counterparts, while carrying higher current
> and producing stronger magnetic fields.



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#522077

Meanwhile, they are refusing to
allow the sale of home ECats
because they "might" be dangerous!!!!!!
Fucked up people

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#522091

On 9/19/2015 3:03 PM, john wrote:
> Meanwhile, they are refusing to
> allow the sale of home ECats
> because they "might" be dangerous!!!!!!
> Fucked up people
>

Who is "they" and who is saying the sale is being refused?

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#522143

IH is saying they can't get home
ECats certified. Something about
no one qualified to oversee them.
Want me to search for it for you?

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#522423

On 9/19/2015 9:51 PM, john wrote:
> IH is saying they can't get home
> ECats certified. Something about
> no one qualified to oversee them.
> Want me to search for it for you?
>

Yes please.

If what you say is true, it is a company saying they can't produce 
something they've promised, because they don't have anyone on staff 
qualified to pass certification tests.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#522456

On 9/20/2015 11:12 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/19/2015 9:51 PM, john wrote:
>> IH is saying they can't get home
>> ECats certified. Something about
>> no one qualified to oversee them.
>> Want me to search for it for you?
>>
>
> Yes please.
>
> If what you say is true, it is a company saying they can't produce
> something they've promised, because they don't have anyone on staff
> qualified to pass certification tests.
>

Let's say a car company emerged, saying that it had produced a design 
for a car that ran at highway speeds and could handle uphill grades 
without any difficulty, all on solar power power stored in batteries. 
The company promises that all you need to do is leave the car parked 
outside in the sun during the day. Let's say that it had no shippable 
cars but it had two or three prototypes that were in the hands of 
business partners for testing. Let's say that it was taking pre-orders 
and drumming up interest and investors. Then one day this company 
announces that it may not be able to ship cars after all, because 
despite all the quality engineers that have produced this awesome 
technology, nobody in the company seems qualified to have the car pass 
mandatory highway safety tests that all other car companies do as a 
routine. Nor does the company seem able to find anyone to hire that has 
any experience getting cars to pass mandatory highway safety tests, 
despite the fact that the market obviously has such talent.

Now, in this situation, does this cause you to squint with doubt at the 
car company, or does it cause you to rant against the evil forces that 
are suppressing innovation?

I can tell you, there are con-men in the world that are counting on the 
people that belong to the latter.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#522462

Odd, you should read up on stuff
before blathering stupidities about it.
Reading is good- try it.

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#522464

Odd- here yiou go; is this fake?
"Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation receive its first ECAT patent in the United States from the US Patent and Trademark Office, USPTO. See ECAT Patents or external link to ECAT Patent at USPTO.

The Patent covers the ECAT as a Fluid Heater based on the Rossi Effect in all its details. Since the Rossi Effect is the main source of energy of the ECAT, this means that the ECAT Core Technology is protected by this patent. The Rossi Effect is based on the exothermal reaction between Lithium and Hydrogen which is catalyzed by Nickel or any other Group 10 element in the Periodic Table, including Palladium and Platinum. The Rossi Effect is a new type of high energy density LENR based exothermal process discovered by Andrea Rossi.

- See more at: http://ecat.com/news/e-cat-patent-granted-by-uspto#.dpuf "

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#522467

On 9/21/2015 8:30 AM, john wrote:
> Odd- here yiou go; is this fake?

No, heck no, it's not fake.
Were you under the impression that patents are only awarded for 
technology proven to work?

Really? Do you know how many patents have been awarded for products 
never made?

> "Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation receive its first ECAT patent in the United
> States from the US Patent and Trademark Office, USPTO. See ECAT Patents or external
> link to ECAT Patent at USPTO.
>
> The Patent covers the ECAT as a Fluid Heater based on the Rossi Effect in all its
> details. Since the Rossi Effect is the main source of energy of the ECAT, this means
> that the ECAT Core Technology is protected by this patent. The Rossi Effect is based
> on the exothermal reaction between Lithium and Hydrogen which is catalyzed by Nickel
> or any other Group 10 element in the Periodic Table, including Palladium and Platinum.
> The Rossi Effect is a new type of high energy density LENR based exothermal process
> discovered by Andrea Rossi.
>
> - See more at: http://ecat.com/news/e-cat-patent-granted-by-uspto#.dpuf "
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#522480

Odd
From the article above:

> Without superconductivity, the pursuit of fusion energy would be 
> impossible. Superconductors consume less power and are cheaper to 
> operate than conventional counterparts, while carrying higher current 
> and producing stronger magnetic fields. 

So, Odd.
Without super conductivity hot fusion
is impossible?
How much energy has been produced
by hot fusion?
How much money has been spent
trying to get more out than they
put in?
Why do you have no issues with that?
Whose money is being spent on that?
Whose money is being spent on
Rossi's endeavors?
Why do you have no issues with
billions being spent on something
that hasn't worked yet, while Rossi
has already sold a working 1 MW
ECat which has been running for
6 months and has not yet been
re-fueled? (And won't be for another
six months.)
I don't understand you, Odd. Are you a
shill for those in power (oil interests)?
I just don't understand you

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#522483

On 09/21/2015 05:08 PM, john wrote:
> 
> I don't understand you, Odd. Are you a
> shill for those in power (oil interests)?
> I just don't understand you
> 

What about lack of healthy scientific scepticism,
until theoretized and reproduced ?

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Knowledge makes a great man humble, but a small man arrogant.

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of a convenient reference, not as an evidence, argument,
and usually not as a primary source of my knowledge.

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#522487

On 09/21/2015 05:29 PM, Poutnik wrote:
> On 09/21/2015 05:08 PM, john wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand you, Odd. Are you a
>> shill for those in power (oil interests)?
>> I just don't understand you
>>
> 
> What about lack of healthy scientific scepticism,
> until theoretized and reproduced ?
> 

Rossi seems to me to  be a modern Edward Kelley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Rossi_%28entrepreneur%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kelley

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Eventual Wikipedia articles are provided with intention
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#522488

orted "Rossi claims that the device produces massive amounts of excess heat that can be used to produce electricity, but independent attempts to reproduce the effect have failed."

This statement is completely false.
Third-party verification has confirmed LENR.
Why won't Wiki allow this to be changed?
Because they are controlled propaganda,
that's why.
A Rossi device ran for 34 days and was
monitored every conceivable way.
Wiki LIES.

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#522489

On 09/21/2015 06:16 PM, john wrote:
> orted "Rossi claims that the device produces massive amounts of excess heat that can be used to produce electricity, but independent attempts to reproduce the effect have failed."
> 
> This statement is completely false.
> Third-party verification has confirmed LENR.

References ?

> Why won't Wiki allow this to be changed?
> Because they are controlled propaganda,
> that's why.
> A Rossi device ran for 34 days and was
> monitored every conceivable way.
> Wiki LIES.
> 

Rossi has a long history of lying.
He needs first to deserve to be trusted.

-- 
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Eventual Wikipedia articles are provided with intention
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#522491

Hot Fusion
and
Quantum Computers

How many billions spent? Our Science
is a lie.

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#522495

On 09/21/2015 06:33 PM, john wrote:
> Hot Fusion
> and
> Quantum Computers

that is not reference of reproducibility of LENR.
> 
> How many billions spent? Our Science
> is a lie.

That is just empty rhetorics.

Nobody, nor theory claimed
the way will be fast, easy and cheap,
in contrary to what Rossi pretends, like a proper charlatan.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes a great man humble, but a small man arrogant.

Eventual Wikipedia articles are provided with intention
of a convenient reference, not as an evidence, argument,
and usually not as a primary source of my knowledge.

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#522501

On 9/21/2015 11:33 AM, john wrote:
> Hot Fusion
> and
> Quantum Computers
>
> How many billions spent? Our Science
> is a lie.
>

How much money should be invested in a scientific area before it is 
expected to be commercialized, John?
In your opinion.
Just want to know where your bar is, because you obviously have one.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#522504

A lot more money than "a few billion" have
been spent since 1950 on hot fusion.
A billion was spent in just one project,
way back.
Talk about con artists- several have
been found making hot fusion claims
over the years.
I think that 64 years is enough.
On the up-side- lots of science has
been learned about plasma fields and
magnets!

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#522559

On 9/21/2015 12:46 PM, john wrote:
> A lot more money than "a few billion" have
> been spent since 1950 on hot fusion.
> A billion was spent in just one project,
> way back.

No, I'm pretty sure my figure is right.

> Talk about con artists- several have
> been found making hot fusion claims
> over the years.

Like?

> I think that 64 years is enough.

On what basis do you say 64 years is enough?
Gregor Mendel came up with his laws of genetics in 1865. 64 years after 
that would have been 1929. You would have cut off funding for what 
causes genetics 24 years before Crick and Watson figured out what DNA is 
and 60 years before people started making real inroads to turning that 
technology into practical applications.

> On the up-side- lots of science has
> been learned about plasma fields and
> magnets!
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#522586

Odd
So- what criterion are you using to
decide that hot fusion should be
funded an d cold fusion should not
be funded?

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