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| First post | 2015-07-29 12:55 -0700 |
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Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 12:55 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-30 15:01 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 14:23 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-02 23:38 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 06:53 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:06 +0200
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 09:13 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 14:18 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:58 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:10 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 07:39 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:33 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:41 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:38 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:36 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:11 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:24 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:35 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:50 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:05 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:04 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:22 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:52 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:32 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:37 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:21 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 13:35 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 13:29 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:13 -0500
curvature of Universe manifest; time is not a dimesnion per se noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:06 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-05 22:59 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:32 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:36 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:51 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:51 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 10:22 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 08:34 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:17 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 14:35 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 14:51 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:22 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 16:47 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:38 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 06:27 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 08:49 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 10:11 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 12:47 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 14:40 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:56 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 04:59 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 11:23 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:33 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 14:23 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 12:36 -0700
"de- noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 15:45 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:00 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 10:17 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:54 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:55 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 11:38 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:49 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:27 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:41 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 05:50 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:16 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:41 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:38 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 10:52 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" BDK <Control@Worldcontrol.com> - 2015-08-11 14:49 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 14:51 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 05:30 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 07:56 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 16:28 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:21 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:15 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 08:55 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:30 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:28 -0500
from there noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 13:21 -0700
to noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 10:16 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:20 -0500
mister Franz (sp.? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:10 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:42 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:34 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-06 07:56 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 08:16 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 10:39 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 09:30 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:15 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 06:26 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:49 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-10 19:20 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:50 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 15:53 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 14:46 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 17:27 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 15:55 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-10 23:15 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:40 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 22:07 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:53 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:12 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:00 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:22 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:33 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:44 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 10:22 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 09:53 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:05 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:19 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:25 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:42 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:54 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:29 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:05 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:24 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:32 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 13:55 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 17:15 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 15:40 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:55 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:31 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 10:41 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 09:10 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:27 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:04 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-12 18:26 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 13:28 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 12:49 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:35 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 14:58 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 16:18 -0700
:=4 noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 16:58 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:57 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 05:32 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-11 15:13 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:47 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-11 15:04 +0000
ratio, aspect noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:23 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 20:35 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 19:00 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 05:25 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-01 21:02 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 06:50 -0400
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 14:05 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-02 02:28 -0700
zene o'Ben noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 14:14 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 17:01 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-01 22:48 +0000
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Enomis Skating <anomis.edenomis@libero.it> - 2015-08-02 02:21 -0700
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:57 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:59 -0500
Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 16:44 -0500
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 08:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mqfj8e$iu8$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #512870 |
On 8/11/2015 5:40 PM, john wrote: > Odd said > > "Mass and energy are the sources for gravity." > And how is that transmitted? Fields, and the laws that tell you how a distortion of the field over here where the source is affects the field over there in a nearby place. > "Electric charge is the source for electromagnetism." > And how is that transmitted? See above. > " color is the source for the strong nuclear field." > And how is that transmitted? See above. > "Weak hypercharge is the source for the weak nuclear field." > And how is that transmitted? See above. > > In other words- what is coming from those sources or being absorbed by those > sources that changes the SPACE > and creates the field, Odd? There is no intermediary between the source and the field. The source directly affects the field here, and the distortion of the field here affects the value of the field there. > > Any clues? Odd? Swarming things of some > kind? Please tell me. Make it REAL > simple- like Grade 3 > That's as simple as I can make it. If you want to know HOW, now you have to go beyond Grade 3. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 08:31 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c69ed58b-8f91-4408-923c-fa19ec0710c4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #512981 |
Odd said "There is no intermediary between the source and the field" Odd. I'm sorry. I don't believe in magic. You do.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 10:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mqfped$1fj$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #513006 |
On 8/12/2015 10:31 AM, john wrote: > Odd said > "There is no intermediary between > the source and the field" > > Odd. I'm sorry. I don't believe in magic. A field isn't magic, John. Remember the field is right there where the source is. No magic about a source affecting a field right where it is. Why do you think that's magic? And then the field right here where the source is affects the field right over there in a neighboring place, because there are rules about the continuity of the field (called "laws of physics"). Nothing magical about that. Why do you think that's magic? > > You do. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 09:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7c45c9e3-71b3-4580-a0a3-ff5d6169c594@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #513010 |
Odd I'm very sorry But You are an idiot
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 11:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mqfs4q$8bf$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #513015 |
On 8/12/2015 11:10 AM, john wrote: > Odd > I'm very sorry > But > You are an idiot > You'll have to excuse me for saying this, John, but this didn't seem to be a particularly constructive comment. It sounded to me very much like, "I don't understand what you're saying, and to tell you the truth I'm not interested in even trying, so I don't want to talk about it anymore. So you are dismissed." I think it's very sad, John, that you seem to show some fake interest in science by posting here. But when it gets down to it, nothing in science is really of interest to you after all. You don't like the scientific method, you don't believe the data, you don't see the point of quantitative calculations at all. You are generally miffed that scientific ideas aren't accessible to everyone with a two-paragraph explanation that anyone can understand. You want science to be gut-level simple, with no more effort than 15 minutes needed to get up to speed. Since it isn't that, you get easily frustrated and lash out that all of it is crap, crap, crap. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 11:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <73fef13b-f29a-4fe5-ae20-311838e90336@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #513018 |
Hey. Odd! I'm a planet! I change stuff over there JUST BY BEING HERE! Come on, Odd. You have given up trying to think. Odd said "There is no intermediary between the source and the field" The "field" is the changes measured when something is there vs when something isn't. It is A MAP!!!! If that something can make those changes without ANY interaction- without ANY intermediary- that is magic, fairy tales, bullshit. Your "swarming gravitons" is better than that, although still pure hand waving. I don't understand why you are still in Science- you've quit trying
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 18:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mqg34r$pih$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #513038 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Hey. Odd! >I'm a planet! >I change stuff over there JUST BY >BEING HERE! >If that something can make those >changes without ANY interaction- >without ANY intermediary- that is >magic, fairy tales, bullshit. >Your "swarming gravitons" is better >than that, although still pure >hand waving. John, in science, measurement triumphs over everything else. It is an undisputable FACT that a planet here does affect something over there, gravitationally. It's something that can be, and is, measured. So a field of some sort must exist to do that. Virtual gravitons? Warped space? Who knows for 100% certain. We do know that the math behind at least warped space _does_ match observation and measurement so it does make for an excellent model, while a bunch of spinny things and fractal electrons can't do anything like that at all. >I don't understand why you are still >in Science- you've quit trying I have to agree with Odd here. You don't understand science and how it works. You seem to hate science and all it does. Why are you here?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 13:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mqg37l$ps8$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #513038 |
On 8/12/2015 1:04 PM, john wrote: > Hey. Odd! > I'm a planet! > I change stuff over there JUST BY > BEING HERE! I'm a planet. I change spacetime right where I am. Yes, I do. Oh, and there are laws that govern the continuity of spacetime, so the distortion in spacetime that I make over here makes a distortion of spacetime over there. Just like if a throw a rock into the pond right HERE, then the laws of continuity that control the surface of the water leads to the water wiggling up over THERE. > > Come on, Odd. > You have given up trying to think. > Odd said > "There is no intermediary between > the source and the field" Yes. > > The "field" is the changes measured > when something is there vs when > something isn't. It is A MAP!!!! Yes. A map of WHAT, John? A map of what property? A topo map you can buy at an outdoor shop is mapping elevation of the surface of the ground, the boundary between earth and sky. So this field is a map of WHAT? > If that something can make those > changes without ANY interaction- > without ANY intermediary- that is > magic, fairy tales, bullshit. No magic needed. I'm a planet. I'm sitting here. By being here, I affect some properties of spacetime HERE. Do I need an intermediary to affect spacetime right where I am? Why? Now the field is the map of the properties of spacetime that I'm affecting. I'm affecting spacetime HERE. When I disturb spacetime over HERE, this also is also going to distort those same properties of spacetime in the spot right next to here. And those distortions right next to here are going to distort those same properties in the spot right next to right next to here. What is so freakin' magical about THAT? Put a full wine glass on the corner of your bed. Now drop a bowling ball in the center of the bed. The bowling ball can only distort the bed where it lands in the center, but somehow the wine glass on the corner tips over. MAGIC?!? > Your "swarming gravitons" is better > than that, although still pure > hand waving. > I don't understand why you are still > in Science- you've quit trying > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 12:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <409b32b8-02fa-4911-88b4-b0c477d26921@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #513046 |
Sorry, Odd. You just don't get it. Perhaps it's the swarming gravitons or maybe the butcher joints and strawberry jam. But- I have to say- there must be some reason you haven't been hit by a bus, because it ain't your perspicacity. Someone is looking out for you
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 15:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mqgamj$cpv$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #513060 |
On 8/12/2015 2:49 PM, john wrote: > Sorry, Odd. > You just don't get it. > Perhaps it's the swarming gravitons > or maybe the butcher joints and > strawberry jam. Hey John, there are lots of physics ideas that you think are nuts. We've talked until I'm blue in the face that an idea that gets measurements right to twelve digits cannot possibly be just nuts. You think otherwise. You think numbers don't mean anything. You think numbers get fudged and falsified and prove nothing. So this means you're not a science fan. As for hoaxes and your willingness to chew on them hook, line, and sinker, even when the perpetrators have CONFESSED that it was a hoax, you can call me an idiot all day long for not chewing alongside you. I hope you enjoy the taste of that sinker. > But- I have to say- there must be some > reason you haven't been hit by a bus, > because it ain't your perspicacity. > Someone is looking out for you > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 14:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2165c1bf-7e49-4206-8cee-d1056299ab2d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #513060 |
On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 3:49:56 PM UTC-4, john wrote: > Sorry, Odd. > You just don't get it. > Perhaps it's the swarming gravitons > or maybe the butcher joints and > strawberry jam. > But- I have to say- there must be some > reason you haven't been hit by a bus, > because it ain't your perspicacity. > Someone is looking out for you Perspicacity perspicacity PERSPICACITY, great thought, thanks John. So why do Odd, MM, HVAC, Sam, et. al. constantly hound you on Usenet? Well, they are so obliviously stupid -- individually and especially collectively. Squared! Should I capitalize the word(s)? O darn, my grammar is under scrutiny. Feh, oy ve(y)... John, leave alone your status-shit-quo stalkers, just be. Walk away. It's been centuries now, all Odd has got is 'Read The Kook Book!'. Your free floating fractal ideas are a charm to me! -- Mahipal
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 16:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <443e3669-151d-4f0f-9ac4-b67d35f32226@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #513094 |
Mahipal Thanks. OB Mm Sambo and Horkedmycookies stand firmly behind their Emperor, assuring him they see clothes. Sorry. He's naked, and he has no dick. Just saying.
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 16:58 -0700 |
| Subject | :=4 |
| Message-ID | <303b5db3-5845-418b-a408-8e1a795c7940@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #513122 |
yer totally nOOd, DooD; you got no a) mathematica, which is b) at least 4 subjects, not including arithmetic (that is part of the trivium
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 15:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2fbfab28-b2f3-4f38-9aee-3f3332e5a6ff@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #512981 |
they are known as "the atoms of free space, which ne'er can have an index of refraction that is "not greater than one, and not equal to one > There is no intermediary between the source and the field. The source > directly affects the field here, and the distortion of the field here > affects the value of the field there. > > > > > Any clues? Odd? Swarming things of some > > kind? Please tell me. Make it REAL > > simple- like Grade 3 > > > > That's as simple as I can make it. If you want to know HOW, now you have > to go beyond Grade 3. > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 05:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqf3ni$d21$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #512774 |
On 8/11/2015 2:42 PM, john wrote: > Odd > > It's not a thing. > It's an effect. It has a source. Take > away the source and there is no > field. For a minute there I thought John was talking about gravity. -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 15:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mqd3eo$d8f$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #512602 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Michael >Everything is standing waves. >But everything is particles, too. Nope. QM states things have properties of both waves and particles, not that they are both waves and particles. >How does that work? QM is too complicated to explain in a Usenet post. Go read a book. >particles. The electron is one such >STANDING WAVE (just as you say). Nope. The orbital with an electron in it is a standing wave. >The electron is a COMPOSITE >standing wave (thanks for agreeing that >the electron is a composite- Paul >would never slip like that) Don't put words in my mouth. Especially totally crap words like that. Electrons are predicted to be fundamental, with no structure. Every attempt to measure its size shows it to be smaller than the resolution of the test, consistent with the predicted zero size. Same with structure, attempts to look for structure find none whatsoever. [snip gobs and gobs of word salad] >OMG, Michael- I feel SO STUCK!!!! Realizing that you have a problem is the first step in resolving the problem.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 07:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mqcqt4$1c4$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #512573 |
On 8/10/2015 5:55 PM, john wrote: > So, Odd, you think electrons don't move > within the atom. I didn't say that. I've told you that they move. (For example, they have kinetic energy, which is the energy of MOTION.) They don't have trajectories. > You think it's just their "state" that cycles. The state cycles, yes. There is no closed path trajectory. > > I think that you are as wrong as wrong > can be. But, that's your problem. > OK, think what you want. I'm going to stick with quantum mechanics, which replicates experimental measurements to 12 digits past the decimal point. In science, it's prediction and measurement, prediction and measurement, prediction and measurement. But you don't like science. So who's problem is that again? And why are you posting here? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 15:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mqd2tl$d8f$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #512499 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd and Michael: >Delocalize? >What does that even mean? Go read a book on the topic. "Delocalize" simply means the electrons aren't restricted to the simpler two electron, two atom bonds taught in high school chemistry. In benzene, six electrons are delocalized over six carbon atoms. Metals have electrons delocalized over the entire chunk of metal. That's why metals are metallic, John. >You have no mechanism. >You have no pathway. Again, go read a book so you can understand the mechanism and pathway. >You suddenly say that unlimited >electrons can all go "wherever they >are needed", instead of restricting >orbitals to TWO. >What are you thinking? Orbitals are more complicated than what you learned in high school, John. You have to get the oversimplification of a little electron planet orbiting a little nucleus sun out of your mind. >Instead of trying to find sensible, >logical, "obviously true" ANSWERS, >you are letting QM say >THERE IS NO KNOWING!!!!! Odd has pointed out that QM accurately predicts to 12 decimal places. That's hardly "no knowing"!! You're stuck, John. Stuck.
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 12:23 -0700 |
| Subject | ratio, aspect |
| Message-ID | <4284c953-c93d-4daf-be92-5917f60aabdc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #512490 |
these are mathematical dualities, but they are not what is an electron per se (that is, for most things, it's just an orbiting charged body of finite aspect > Remember, an electron has both wavelike and particle-like properties. > Having a (small) mass it's more particle-like than a photon, but it's > less particle-like than something larger, like a proton or a baseball. > > >It is just doing so with radiation that > >is too small-grained for OUR emr to > >have an EVENT with > > Nope. Not only does an accelerating charge radiate, it radiates normal > electromagnetic radiation. Not gravity. Not "small-grained" radiation > that we cannot detect. Ordinary electromagnetic radiation.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 20:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mph7o6$qis$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #510337 |
On 7/31/2015 5:25 PM, john wrote: > > Odd said: > > "There was another poster here when I first started posting named Winn. > He is a welder who thinks ...." > > Isn't that interesting. > When was that- when you first started > posting here? Odd? > Winn posted in 08, 09. Oh, now now, John. You are lousy at this. https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=sci.physics.relativity/1IMBiGTxwdU/jMAP3Vml-1YJ There's a message in a long conversation between Robert Winn and me in August 2014. Go ahead and search the archives, rather than your memory, John. Your memory is .... well, perhaps a little Swiss cheesy. > I don't remember you being here, then. > You didn't start til a few years ago. > I remember your first post, even. > Can you explain that tiny discrepancy? > I don't see a discrepancy, John. Are you imagining discrepancies? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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