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| Started by | Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> |
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| First post | 2015-08-04 00:39 -0700 |
| Last post | 2015-08-05 06:54 -0400 |
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I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 00:39 -0700
Start Killer (StartKiller.COM) removes Win10's Start Button. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 08:26 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 17:07 +0000
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:22 -0500
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 14:31 -0500
You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 12:39 -0700
Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 14:53 -0500
Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 14:46 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 17:08 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:13 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:42 -0500
Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 15:11 -0700
Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:15 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-05 07:56 -0400
"The Bachelor" (on the TV show) is a prissy bottom. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 10:45 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 14:06 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:13 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 14:31 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:06 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 17:26 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:29 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 15:42 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:00 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 16:11 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:37 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 18:51 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:59 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 19:04 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 17:48 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 20:07 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:26 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:30 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 12:44 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:50 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-08-05 15:47 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 14:14 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:21 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:28 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:33 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:40 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:55 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:28 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:37 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:01 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:33 +0000
What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 11:17 -0700
Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:31 -0400
Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:45 +0000
Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:35 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:21 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 17:02 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:26 -0400
Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:20 +0000
Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Rock Brentwood <federation2005@netzero.com> - 2015-08-04 15:46 -0700
Show us your source code. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:26 -0700
Show us your source code. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:29 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Rock Brentwood <federation2005@netzero.com> - 2015-08-04 15:40 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-04 22:59 +0000
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 23:00 +0000
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:45 -0500
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 01:38 -0400
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 13:46 -0400
Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 11:31 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-04 13:54 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:16 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:26 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-04 21:35 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:50 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 07:57 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-08-04 21:38 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 23:36 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:48 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:53 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:08 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 17:28 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:47 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:06 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:52 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 00:22 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 07:50 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 11:45 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 17:10 -0500
Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 15:21 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:37 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:56 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-05 08:11 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:09 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:24 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:09 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:03 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:10 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:22 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:30 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:34 -0500
Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 11:03 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 04:18 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-06 17:48 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:59 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 08:42 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 17:35 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:57 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 19:44 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 15:03 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 15:45 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 21:05 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:38 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 16:04 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:59 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 14:00 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:19 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 16:46 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:17 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-08 01:01 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 19:03 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 03:38 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:05 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 13:51 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:56 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:32 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:07 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Apollyon <adravirgo@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:11 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:05 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:16 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:45 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 16:52 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 22:26 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 01:24 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 05:43 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:43 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 10:10 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:30 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:05 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:50 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:00 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:00 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "Buck Futter" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-08-05 22:35 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 01:50 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 04:18 -0500
I'm watching you right now. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 14:19 -0700
Re: I'm watching you right now. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 16:36 -0500
Re: I'm watching you right now. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-04 17:16 -0700
Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:41 -0700
Re: Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-06 12:29 -0700
Re: I'm watching you right now. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 03:47 +0000
Re: I'm watching you right now. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:11 -0500
Re: I'm watching you right now. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:22 +0000
Re: I'm watching you right now. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-06 00:53 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:55 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:30 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "Mahipal" <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 17:44 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:01 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-04 14:34 -0500
Indirectly, you (chrisv) see my posts. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 12:46 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 06:54 -0400
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| From | gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 07:50 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mq29js$gl0$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #511273 |
On 8/4/2015 5:47 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 17:28:41 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:
>
>>
>> I can't think of much application software from
>> twenty years ago still having anything to run on.
>>
>
> How about 20-year-old hardware? There's plenty of that still
> around and also lots of folks/companies still running Windows 95.
??? and if something crokes on it, you cant fix it with new HW, as it
is incompatable with that old P+P, and drivers dont pick up win95
Also win95 has a #of files limit, if you go past that it slows down by
order of magnitude.
>
> Furthermore, Microsoft goes to great lengths to maintain compatibility
> with older software across its entire line of NT-based OS's.
not all the time, they have killed off many old programs, and older formats
>
> You'd know this stuff but you only use computers to give the
> appearance of being a digital person. That's why you use Chromebook
> and Apple exclusively.
UGH !
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| From | gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 11:45 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mq2nbe$i9q$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #511257 |
On 8/4/2015 5:08 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
>
> Software lasts forever. Software companies do not. The only way to
> guarantee a revenue stream is to use a subscription service. Otherwise,
> clients are liable to buy your package once and then use it for 20 years.
>
> Photoshop has already gone that route. No more releases to run on
> individual owned and controlled workstations. Now, the user must
> pay a subscription fee and thus be forever locked in (owned) by a
> particular vendor.
>
Windows 10 is here!
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| From | gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 17:10 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mprd88$329$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #511234 |
On 8/4/2015 4:16 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 13:54:47 -0700, Double-A wrote: > >> >> >> I heard something about that Microsoft was going to start spying on us with >> the comera as of Win10! Or was it the mike? Both? Or was it Google? >> Do you know about that? >> > > Windows 10 gives Microsoft a direct data link to the user machine. > Data in droves of all kinds will be automatically transfered to > Microsoft servers on a regular basis -- unless the user shuts > it off one by one during install and during a post-install configure. > > They ain't fooling around this time. Windows 10 makes the user > a part of Microsoft's local network. > is that true ? WSJ today had article that Apple and Google are going to be doing that with their cellphones
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 15:21 -0700 |
| Subject | Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.4{3.21P.Seattle.2015}> |
| In reply to | #511259 |
Quoting:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-and-google-know-what-you-want-before-you-do-1438625660
Apple and Google Know What You Want Before You Do.
New technology for smartphones will monitor activity
and send information before it is requested; locking
in loyal users.
Apple and Google are preparing new smartphone apps
that will monitor and predict users’ activity and
supply information before it is requested.
By Daisuke Wakabayashi and Alistair Barr
Aug. 3, 2015 2:14 p.m. ET 69 COMMENTS
Apple Inc. and Google Inc. are racing to anticipate
the needs of their users.
The technology giants, whose software runs nearly all
of the world’s smartphones, are adding features to
deliver information before users ask for it. Their
moves suggest that smartphones will evolve into
devices that dispense information unprompted.
The companies are tackling the technology
differently, reflecting their own expertise and
priorities. Apple’s Proactive Assistant, a feature of
its forthcoming iOS 9 software, aims to learn how a
user will behave from information stored on an
iPhone. By contrast, Google Now combs data from a
universe of online services and searches.
“This is a major battleground. The companies are
using this to highlight their strengths,” said Rich
Mogull, the chief executive of the research and
advisory firm Securosis.
Both companies hope the new features, some of which
are expected this fall, will keep their users loyal
and lock them into related services that make money.
For Apple, that means more returning customers for
its iPhones. For Google, it means more engaged users
for its advertisers.
Apple’s iPhone knows which apps you use, when and for
how long. ENLARGE
Apple’s iPhone knows which apps you use, when and for
how long. Photo: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg News
In addition, the ability to anticipate what users
want and deliver it at the right moment will be
crucial for such future devices as smart watches and
connected automobiles.
The efforts by Google and Apple are part of a growing
wave of “digital assistants” in the technology
industry aimed at providing a helping hand for
devices. Microsoft Corp. is putting “Cortana,” a
personal-assistant service, in all devices running
Windows software. Amazon.com Inc. ’s virtual
assistant is Alexa, who currently exists inside the
company’s Echo speaker.
At its developers’ conference in May, Google
demonstrated how Google Now can alert a traveler to
airport gas stations when the traveler is returning a
vehicle and may need to fill the tank. Google can
deduce the return time from emails showing the
traveler’s itinerary and real-time departure data
provided by airlines.
For other uses, Google Now, introduced in 2012, taps
Web search and browsing history, Google services such
as Gmail, calendar and YouTube, and data from the
phone such as location, time and app use. The company
says it wants as much information as possible to
produce the most useful recommendations.
“Imagine an assistant who works for you for [only]
one hour a day,” says Aparna Chennapragada, director
of product and engineering for Google Now. “I want my
assistant proactively working for me all the time.”
WSJ.D
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and product reviews.
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Apple takes a more conservative approach, limiting
itself to information gathered on the phone. The
company says the iPhone knows which apps you use,
when you use them and for how long. It also knows
where you are and with whom you communicate
regularly. It has access to some emails, but it taps
them sparingly, Apple says, using them to identify
callers or create calendar events, for example.
As a result, Apple can’t replicate some of what
Google Now does. Its upcoming iPhone software will
have a feature called Siri Spotlight that suggests
people to contact based on future meetings or nearby
businesses. It will also find gas stations once
you’re near the rental-car office, but it won’t send
the information proactively.
So far, Apple has provided one example of when it
would seek information beyond the phone: tapping
real-time traffic data to suggest when to leave for
an upcoming appointment in the phone’s calendar.
Apple’s approach is focused on learning regular
activities. If you listen to music in the morning
while working out, for example, the phone will begin
playing your workout music when you plug in your
headphones in the morning. Apple hasn’t elaborated on
its plans for Proactive Assistant since its
announcement last month.
Apple also distinguishes between what its devices
know and what it as a company knows. Apple says its
device knows a lot about you, but that information is
tethered to the phone and isn’t collected by the company.
Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook has been critical of
companies such as Google that he says are profiting
by selling data on users to advertisers.
Google says it doesn’t sell or share user data with
other companies but uses its information to target ads.
Jamie Davidson, a partner at Redpoint Ventures and a
former Google engineer, says Google’s willingness to
tap a broader swath of data gives the company a leg
up. “It will be harder for Apple to create a
compelling experience without getting more
information from the broader Web beyond the phones,”
he says.
One app developer who works with Google says the
utility of Google Now will vary depending on how much
information a user shares. Those who share more will
get more relevant suggestions, the developer says.
But that benefit must be weighed against the privacy
implications of sharing so much personal information
with the company.
Dylan Russell, a 23-year-old media-studies student at
Northeastern State University in Tahlequah, Okla.,
says he regularly uses Google Now on his Motorola
Moto X phone, and he isn’t worried about compromising
his privacy.
“I think it’s something that people are going to get
over,” Mr. Russell says. “It’s not a bad thing for
Google to know me better to help me better.”
On a recent Friday night, Mr. Russell saw that Google
Now had displayed information about local restaurants
and movies playing in a nearby theater. In another
instance, his boss sent him an email reminding him to
make a spreadsheet for a project, and Google Now
created a reminder for him.
“I thought it was super awesome. I didn’t click any
buttons,” says Mr. Russell. “They’re becoming more
like a real personal assistant, knowing you, knowing
what you like to do, and knowing when you like to do it.”
Later this year, Google plans to introduce Google Now
on Tap, which will use text and image recognition to
understand what users are doing inside apps and make
suggestions. It won’t send information proactively,
but it could anticipate the next steps a user may
want to take.
For example, when a friend suggests in a text message
eating dinner at a specific restaurant, Google Now
can bring up an information card with the
restaurant’s Yelp reviews, phone number, schedule and
a map, as well as a link to a booking app like
OpenTable to help secure a table.
Write to Daisuke Wakabayashi at
Daisuke.Wakabayashi@wsj.com and Alistair Barr at alistair.barr@wsj.com
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| From | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 22:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <pan.2015.08.04.22.37.59@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #511266 |
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:21:14 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: > > “I thought it was super awesome. I didn’t click any > buttons,” says Mr. Russell. “They’re becoming more > like a real personal assistant, knowing you, knowing > what you like to do, and knowing when you like to do it.” > Super awesome? It's a phrase indicative of his retarded demographic and should cause the DA to switch into idiot mode. But, anyway, what if the user has multiple personalities or is subject to frequent mood swings (manic depression)? I imagine that such cases (and they're not too uncommon) would cause the DA a bit of confusion as it would repeatedly have to erase and rebuild its database. How about Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hide? He was an upstanding citizen by day and a evil psychopath at night. How would his DA anticipate such conflicting behavior? It seems Microsoft/Apple/Google have some serious thinking to do.
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| From | gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 18:56 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mprjfe$eas$3@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #511270 |
On 8/4/2015 5:37 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:21:14 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: > >> >> “I thought it was super awesome. I didn’t click any >> buttons,” says Mr. Russell. “They’re becoming more >> like a real personal assistant, knowing you, knowing >> what you like to do, and knowing when you like to do it.” >> > Super awesome? It's a phrase indicative of his retarded demographic > and should cause the DA to switch into idiot mode. > > But, anyway, what if the user has multiple personalities or is subject > to frequent mood swings (manic depression)? > I imagine that such cases (and they're not too uncommon) would > cause the DA a bit of confusion as it would repeatedly have to > erase and rebuild its database. > > How about Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hide? He was an upstanding citizen > by day and a evil psychopath at night. How would his DA anticipate > such conflicting behavior? > > It seems Microsoft/Apple/Google have some serious thinking to do. > they are selling to the younger (idiots) people, that don't have a clue.
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| From | "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 08:11 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mpsuet$agh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #511266 |
On 2015-08-04 6:21 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: > Quoting: > http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-and-google-know-what-you-want-before-you-do-1438625660 > > Apple and Google Know What You Want Before You Do. > > New technology for smartphones will monitor activity > and send information before it is requested; locking > in loyal users. > > Apple and Google are preparing new smartphone apps > that will monitor and predict users’ activity and > supply information before it is requested. > > By Daisuke Wakabayashi and Alistair Barr > Aug. 3, 2015 2:14 p.m. ET 69 COMMENTS > > Apple Inc. and Google Inc. are racing to anticipate > the needs of their users. > > The technology giants, whose software runs nearly all > of the world’s smartphones, are adding features to > deliver information before users ask for it. Their > moves suggest that smartphones will evolve into > devices that dispense information unprompted. > > The companies are tackling the technology > differently, reflecting their own expertise and > priorities. Apple’s Proactive Assistant, a feature of > its forthcoming iOS 9 software, aims to learn how a > user will behave from information stored on an > iPhone. By contrast, Google Now combs data from a > universe of online services and searches. > > “This is a major battleground. The companies are > using this to highlight their strengths,” said Rich > Mogull, the chief executive of the research and > advisory firm Securosis. > > Both companies hope the new features, some of which > are expected this fall, will keep their users loyal > and lock them into related services that make money. > For Apple, that means more returning customers for > its iPhones. For Google, it means more engaged users > for its advertisers. > Apple’s iPhone knows which apps you use, when and for > how long. ENLARGE > Apple’s iPhone knows which apps you use, when and for > how long. Photo: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg News > > In addition, the ability to anticipate what users > want and deliver it at the right moment will be > crucial for such future devices as smart watches and > connected automobiles. > > The efforts by Google and Apple are part of a growing > wave of “digital assistants” in the technology > industry aimed at providing a helping hand for > devices. Microsoft Corp. is putting “Cortana,” a > personal-assistant service, in all devices running > Windows software. Amazon.com Inc. ’s virtual > assistant is Alexa, who currently exists inside the > company’s Echo speaker. > > At its developers’ conference in May, Google > demonstrated how Google Now can alert a traveler to > airport gas stations when the traveler is returning a > vehicle and may need to fill the tank. Google can > deduce the return time from emails showing the > traveler’s itinerary and real-time departure data > provided by airlines. > > For other uses, Google Now, introduced in 2012, taps > Web search and browsing history, Google services such > as Gmail, calendar and YouTube, and data from the > phone such as location, time and app use. The company > says it wants as much information as possible to > produce the most useful recommendations. > > “Imagine an assistant who works for you for [only] > one hour a day,” says Aparna Chennapragada, director > of product and engineering for Google Now. “I want my > assistant proactively working for me all the time.” > WSJ.D > > WSJ.D is the Journal’s home for tech news, analysis > and product reviews. > > Mims: Virtual Reality Isn’t Just About Games > BMW, Daimler and Audi to Buy Nokia’s Here in $3.1 > Billion Deal > How Do You Corral a Drone? Give It a Leash > Tech Firms Beware: Don’t Disappoint Investors > > Apple takes a more conservative approach, limiting > itself to information gathered on the phone. The > company says the iPhone knows which apps you use, > when you use them and for how long. It also knows > where you are and with whom you communicate > regularly. It has access to some emails, but it taps > them sparingly, Apple says, using them to identify > callers or create calendar events, for example. > > As a result, Apple can’t replicate some of what > Google Now does. Its upcoming iPhone software will > have a feature called Siri Spotlight that suggests > people to contact based on future meetings or nearby > businesses. It will also find gas stations once > you’re near the rental-car office, but it won’t send > the information proactively. > > So far, Apple has provided one example of when it > would seek information beyond the phone: tapping > real-time traffic data to suggest when to leave for > an upcoming appointment in the phone’s calendar. > > Apple’s approach is focused on learning regular > activities. If you listen to music in the morning > while working out, for example, the phone will begin > playing your workout music when you plug in your > headphones in the morning. Apple hasn’t elaborated on > its plans for Proactive Assistant since its > announcement last month. > > Apple also distinguishes between what its devices > know and what it as a company knows. Apple says its > device knows a lot about you, but that information is > tethered to the phone and isn’t collected by the company. > > Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook has been critical of > companies such as Google that he says are profiting > by selling data on users to advertisers. > > Google says it doesn’t sell or share user data with > other companies but uses its information to target ads. > > Jamie Davidson, a partner at Redpoint Ventures and a > former Google engineer, says Google’s willingness to > tap a broader swath of data gives the company a leg > up. “It will be harder for Apple to create a > compelling experience without getting more > information from the broader Web beyond the phones,” > he says. > > One app developer who works with Google says the > utility of Google Now will vary depending on how much > information a user shares. Those who share more will > get more relevant suggestions, the developer says. > But that benefit must be weighed against the privacy > implications of sharing so much personal information > with the company. > > Dylan Russell, a 23-year-old media-studies student at > Northeastern State University in Tahlequah, Okla., > says he regularly uses Google Now on his Motorola > Moto X phone, and he isn’t worried about compromising > his privacy. > > “I think it’s something that people are going to get > over,” Mr. Russell says. “It’s not a bad thing for > Google to know me better to help me better.” > > On a recent Friday night, Mr. Russell saw that Google > Now had displayed information about local restaurants > and movies playing in a nearby theater. In another > instance, his boss sent him an email reminding him to > make a spreadsheet for a project, and Google Now > created a reminder for him. > > “I thought it was super awesome. I didn’t click any > buttons,” says Mr. Russell. “They’re becoming more > like a real personal assistant, knowing you, knowing > what you like to do, and knowing when you like to do it.” > > Later this year, Google plans to introduce Google Now > on Tap, which will use text and image recognition to > understand what users are doing inside apps and make > suggestions. It won’t send information proactively, > but it could anticipate the next steps a user may > want to take. > > For example, when a friend suggests in a text message > eating dinner at a specific restaurant, Google Now > can bring up an information card with the > restaurant’s Yelp reviews, phone number, schedule and > a map, as well as a link to a booking app like > OpenTable to help secure a table. > > Write to Daisuke Wakabayashi at > Daisuke.Wakabayashi@wsj.com and Alistair Barr at alistair.barr@wsj.com Disgusting, more spying from Apple and Google. -- A.M
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-05 08:09 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mpt1v2$ffq$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #511345 |
On 8/5/2015 7:11 AM, A.M wrote: > Disgusting, more spying from Apple and Google. There are people (usually wealthy) that have personal assistants. These personal assistants provide essential lubrication in their employers' lives. The downside of having a personal assistant is that the assistant knows a great deal about you -- where you go, what your daily routines are, what your preferences and needs are, where you shop and what you tend to buy there, who you know closely and who are more removed acquaintances, and what your schedule is. If you're uncomfortable with anyone knowing these things without you, then you dispense with a personal assistant and do everything yourself. The makers of personal technology -- Amazon, Google, Apple, Microsoft -- are keenly aware that the majority of their market want some sort of digital personal assistant, and they want it more than they want their privacy. So the makers of personal technology are catering to the needs of their market. Now, there are certainly some people who feel differently -- that privacy is more important than having a personal assistant. But these people are in the minority, and so the onus is on them to reach into the controls of the technology products and turn off all the invasive aspects. Basically, if you buy a technology product, you have to proactively fire your assistant. Of course, some of the capabilities of the technology product may be compromised by doing so, and that's another thing you have to accept. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-05 09:24 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mpt2mq$sf1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #511351 |
On 8/5/2015 9:09 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/5/2015 7:11 AM, A.M wrote: >> Disgusting, more spying from Apple and Google. > > There are people (usually wealthy) that have personal assistants. These > personal assistants provide essential lubrication in their employers' > lives. The downside of having a personal assistant is that the assistant > knows a great deal about you -- where you go, what your daily routines > are, what your preferences and needs are, where you shop and what you > tend to buy there, who you know closely and who are more removed > acquaintances, and what your schedule is. If you're uncomfortable with > anyone knowing these things without you, then you dispense with a > personal assistant and do everything yourself. > > The makers of personal technology -- Amazon, Google, Apple, Microsoft -- > are keenly aware that the majority of their market want some sort of > digital personal assistant, and they want it more than they want their > privacy. So the makers of personal technology are catering to the needs > of their market. > > Now, there are certainly some people who feel differently -- that > privacy is more important than having a personal assistant. But these > people are in the minority, and so the onus is on them to reach into the > controls of the technology products and turn off all the invasive > aspects. Basically, if you buy a technology product, you have to > proactively fire your assistant. Of course, some of the capabilities of > the technology product may be compromised by doing so, and that's > another thing you have to accept. I'm all in. I give Google, etc, total access to every art of my public life. I actually pity the poor soul that has to monitor me. The tedium, the incessant use of tautologies and catchphrases...Even my diet is boring. And many people would find spending 10-12 hours a day on a boat fishing as not very exciting. The exciting parts of my life are shielded from their view by dint of the fact that there are none. -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-05 09:09 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mJKdnSWZZ4OehF_InZ2dnUU7-VsAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #511352 |
On 8/5/15 8:24 AM, HVAC wrote: > > I'm all in. I give Google, etc, total access to every art of my public > life. I actually pity the poor soul that has to monitor me. The tedium, > the incessant use of tautologies and catchphrases...Even my diet is > boring. And many people would find spending 10-12 hours a day on a boat > fishing as not very exciting. The exciting parts of my life are shielded > from their view by dint of the fact that there are none. > > It's all done by algorithms. You are identified buy your computer, habits, purchases, everything you have ever searched for or looked at, ISPs, IP addresses, etc. One thing I like about Apple is the encryption of mobile devices, messages, FaceTime calls and banking transactions. Apple makes most of its money selling hardware. Whereas Google, Facebook and some make their money advertizing to you and selling your data. But, don't take my word for it -- research it for yourself, just in case you think I harbor any biases. :-) -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-05 11:03 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mpt8go$l6s$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #511357 |
On 8/5/2015 10:09 AM, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 8/5/15 8:24 AM, HVAC wrote: >> >> I'm all in. I give Google, etc, total access to every art of my public >> life. I actually pity the poor soul that has to monitor me. The tedium, >> the incessant use of tautologies and catchphrases...Even my diet is >> boring. And many people would find spending 10-12 hours a day on a boat >> fishing as not very exciting. The exciting parts of my life are shielded >> from their view by dint of the fact that there are none. >> >> > > It's all done by algorithms. You are identified buy your computer, > habits, purchases, everything you have ever searched for or looked > at, ISPs, IP addresses, etc. > > One thing I like about Apple is the encryption of mobile devices, > messages, FaceTime calls and banking transactions. Apple makes most > of its money selling hardware. Whereas Google, Facebook and some > make their money advertizing to you and selling your data. > > But, don't take my word for it -- research it for yourself, just in > case you think I harbor any biases. :-) I willingly give Google et al access to my 'life'. I enjoy targeted ads over random ads. Now bear in mind that I live two 'lives'. One that is public...The Harlow Campbell 'life'. My other life is clandestine. That's really all you need to know about it. And when people look for me, I vanish in a cloud of smoke and they are left looking for a mystery wrapped in a conundrum. Looked for I cannot be seen Listened for I cannot be heard Felt for I cannot be touched I am vaporware in cyberspace I am a rumor of a myth -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-05 10:10 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mJKdnSCZZ4Pgul_InZ2dnUU7-VudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #511372 |
On 8/5/15 10:03 AM, HVAC wrote: > My other life is clandestine. That's really all you need to know about > it. And when people look for me, I vanish in a cloud of smoke and they > are left looking for a mystery wrapped in a conundrum. And then there is: On-Demand Satellites Can Shoot High-Def Video of Your Car > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/on-demand-satellites-can-shoot-high-def-video-of-your-car/ > Pictures from high above Earth’s surface, on display at a New York > City press conference in June, were startling not just because of > their high definition but because they added a new dimension to > satellite imagery—time. The images took the form of videos that > showed individual cars moving on highways. > > The company behind the images, start-up firm UrtheCast, had a pair of > cameras installed on the Russian side of the International Space > Station last year and plans to add two more to the U.S. side. At the > press conference, UrtheCast announced the coming launch—currently > scheduled for later this summer—of an on-demand satellite imagery > service that will include video. > > UrtheCast, based in Vancouver, is just one of a host of small > companies set to provide more frequent and more extensive coverage of > Earth’s surface from orbit than has ever been available. The new > services are driven by smaller and more capable sensors and other > electronics, cloud computing services and reductions in launch costs. > UrtheCast, for example, paid exactly nothing for launch. It got its > first cameras on the space station in exchange for providing > exclusive rights to imagery of Russia to Moscow. > > Other companies are taking advantage of lower-cost launch services > offered by companies like Virgin Galactic and SpaceX to send up > constellations of imaging satellites. Even as UrtheCast released its > videos of major world cities, BlackSky Global announced its plan for > a constellation of 60 low-flying imaging satellites, with the first > to be launched next year. These companies are joined by Skybox > Imaging—which was acquired by Google for $500 million last > year—Planet Labs, and DigitalGlobe. > May our days (and nights) be cloudy. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-05 11:22 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mpt9k4$p5f$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #511375 |
On 8/5/2015 11:10 AM, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 8/5/15 10:03 AM, HVAC wrote: >> My other life is clandestine. That's really all you need to know about >> it. And when people look for me, I vanish in a cloud of smoke and they >> are left looking for a mystery wrapped in a conundrum. > > > And then there is: > On-Demand Satellites Can Shoot High-Def Video of Your Car >> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/on-demand-satellites-can-shoot-high-def-video-of-your-car/ >> > >> Pictures from high above Earth’s surface, on display at a New York >> City press conference in June, were startling not just because of >> their high definition but because they added a new dimension to >> satellite imagery—time. The images took the form of videos that >> showed individual cars moving on highways. >> >> The company behind the images, start-up firm UrtheCast, had a pair of >> cameras installed on the Russian side of the International Space >> Station last year and plans to add two more to the U.S. side. At the >> press conference, UrtheCast announced the coming launch—currently >> scheduled for later this summer—of an on-demand satellite imagery >> service that will include video. >> >> UrtheCast, based in Vancouver, is just one of a host of small >> companies set to provide more frequent and more extensive coverage of >> Earth’s surface from orbit than has ever been available. The new >> services are driven by smaller and more capable sensors and other >> electronics, cloud computing services and reductions in launch costs. >> UrtheCast, for example, paid exactly nothing for launch. It got its >> first cameras on the space station in exchange for providing >> exclusive rights to imagery of Russia to Moscow. >> >> Other companies are taking advantage of lower-cost launch services >> offered by companies like Virgin Galactic and SpaceX to send up >> constellations of imaging satellites. Even as UrtheCast released its >> videos of major world cities, BlackSky Global announced its plan for >> a constellation of 60 low-flying imaging satellites, with the first >> to be launched next year. These companies are joined by Skybox >> Imaging—which was acquired by Google for $500 million last >> year—Planet Labs, and DigitalGlobe. >> > > > > May our days (and nights) be cloudy. > > -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-05 11:30 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mpta2j$rma$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #511375 |
On 8/5/2015 11:10 AM, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 8/5/15 10:03 AM, HVAC wrote: >> My other life is clandestine. That's really all you need to know about >> it. And when people look for me, I vanish in a cloud of smoke and they >> are left looking for a mystery wrapped in a conundrum. > > > And then there is: > On-Demand Satellites Can Shoot High-Def Video of Your Car >> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/on-demand-satellites-can-shoot-high-def-video-of-your-car/ Sam, do you understand that the adaptive optics used in modern astronomy was developed by our friends at DARPA for military spy satellites? I breathe a bit easier knowing that I have the entire might of US space command covering my back. Don't you? Oh and PS, clouds do not hide our enemy's evil actions from the watchful view of good ol' Uncle Sammy. -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-05 10:34 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mJKdnSOZZ4OHsF_InZ2dnUU7-VudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #511382 |
On 8/5/15 10:30 AM, HVAC wrote: > On 8/5/2015 11:10 AM, Sam Wormley wrote: >> On 8/5/15 10:03 AM, HVAC wrote: >>> My other life is clandestine. That's really all you need to know about >>> it. And when people look for me, I vanish in a cloud of smoke and they >>> are left looking for a mystery wrapped in a conundrum. >> >> >> And then there is: >> On-Demand Satellites Can Shoot High-Def Video of Your Car >>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/on-demand-satellites-can-shoot-high-def-video-of-your-car/ >>> > > > Sam, do you understand that the adaptive optics used in modern astronomy > was developed by our friends at DARPA for military spy satellites? > > I breathe a bit easier knowing that I have the entire might of US space > command covering my back. Don't you? > > > Oh and PS, clouds do not hide our enemy's evil actions from the watchful > view of good ol' Uncle Sammy. > I am quite aware. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-05 11:03 -0700 |
| Subject | Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.5{11.03A.Seattle.2015}> |
| In reply to | #511372 |
You (HVAC) wrote: > I am a rumor of a myth You harass women for sex and, when that fails, you rent whores. Mystery solved.
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| From | "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-06 04:18 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <9i96sap6rt68ftgb6s68ru5s8cvttkhf6d@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #511372 |
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:03:24 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 8/5/2015 10:09 AM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 8/5/15 8:24 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm all in. I give Google, etc, total access to every art of my public
>>> life. I actually pity the poor soul that has to monitor me. The tedium,
>>> the incessant use of tautologies and catchphrases...Even my diet is
>>> boring. And many people would find spending 10-12 hours a day on a boat
>>> fishing as not very exciting. The exciting parts of my life are shielded
>>> from their view by dint of the fact that there are none.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's all done by algorithms. You are identified buy your computer,
>> habits, purchases, everything you have ever searched for or looked
>> at, ISPs, IP addresses, etc.
>>
>> One thing I like about Apple is the encryption of mobile devices,
>> messages, FaceTime calls and banking transactions. Apple makes most
>> of its money selling hardware. Whereas Google, Facebook and some
>> make their money advertizing to you and selling your data.
>>
>> But, don't take my word for it -- research it for yourself, just in
>> case you think I harbor any biases. :-)
>
>
>I willingly give Google et al access to my 'life'. I enjoy targeted ads
>over random ads. Now bear in mind that I live two 'lives'. One that is
>public...The Harlow Campbell 'life'.
>
Google recently announced that it's dropping its Google +
requirements for its products. I don't like it. I like the convenience
of having everything attached to my G+.
"But others could find out what you're watching on Youtube!"
I will openly and freely admit I watch "Good Mythical Morning"
every day they release a new episode. I'm not the least bit
embarrassed by this. I also don't mind if people find out I watch
Alonzo Lerone's often funny videos.
>My other life is clandestine. That's really all you need to know about
>it. And when people look for me, I vanish in a cloud of smoke and they
>are left looking for a mystery wrapped in a conundrum.
>
>Looked for I cannot be seen
>
>Listened for I cannot be heard
>
>Felt for I cannot be touched
>
>I am vaporware in cyberspace
>
>I am a rumor of a myth
I can see you. As proof I offer the following:
You're wearing a shirt.
Mwahahahahahahaha! :)
--
Shill #3. Current Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp
counselor
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| From | Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-06 17:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <pan.2015.08.06.17.48.23@localhost.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #511536 |
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 04:18:43 -0500, K Wills (Shill #3) wrote: > > Google recently announced that it's dropping its Google + > requirements for its products. I don't like it. I like the convenience > of having everything attached to my G+. > You are a part of the godammned problem. Why do you need Google at all? What's the matter, retard, can't you do anything for yourself? You pay money ($$$) to an ISP for Internet access. As part of that deal you get lots of stuff. You get several email accounts. You get large amounts of storage space (100's of megabytes if not gigabytes). With all that you can create your own personal web site, upload all your images, and easily link with your friends/associates. But do you do it? No, retard, you rely on Google and other parties to do it for you. As a result of the "no free lunch" reality, this reliance engenders the problems of privacy loss that effects us all today. All this trouble is caused by your stupidity, laziness, and intransigence to just DO IT YOURSELF. If you'd just DO IT YOURSELF these issues would disappear overnight. C'mon, idiot, DO IT YOURSELF.
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| From | "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-07 07:59 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <q8k7sa5ves2q87q66vhte6acbfm2r0ibcu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #511615 |
On 6 Aug 2015 17:48:22 GMT, Fabian Russell
<root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 04:18:43 -0500, K Wills (Shill #3) wrote:
>
>>
>> Google recently announced that it's dropping its Google +
>> requirements for its products. I don't like it. I like the convenience
>> of having everything attached to my G+.
>
>You are a part of the godammned problem.
>
>Why do you need Google at all?
I don't *need* it. But I do like it.
>What's the matter, retard, can't you
>do anything for yourself?
Dale Carnegie. Look into it.
>
>You pay money ($$$) to an ISP for Internet access. As part of that
>deal you get lots of stuff.
I sure do.
>You get several email accounts.
Yep. I think 10, but I would have to look to be certain. I only
need one, so it's not really important to me.
>You
>get large amounts of storage space (100's of megabytes if not gigabytes).
With the ISP's cloud, I have five gigs of storage available.
But here's the thing. What happens when I change ISPs? I'll
either lose it all, or I'll have to download it all and put it
somewhere else.
I have most of my stuff on Google's cloud. No matter what ISP I
use, it will be there. At least for the foreseeable future. And I like
that.
>With all that you can create your own personal web site, upload
>all your images, and easily link with your friends/associates.
I sure can.
You know what? I can share links to items on Google Cloud also.
>
>But do you do it?
I use my ISP's E-mail. It's not listed with my Usenet posts, but
I've not listed an ISP E-mail address with Usenet posts for about 15
years. I was using my Yahoo E-mail for Usenet posts until sometime in
2004. I've listed my Gmail address since then.
I have some items on my ISP's cloud. Not much, but some. It's
stuff that I'd like to keep, but wouldn't be upset if it were lost.
I don't have a personal web page anywhere.
>No, retard, you rely on Google and other parties
>to do it for you. As a result of the "no free lunch" reality,
>this reliance engenders the problems of privacy loss that effects
>us all today.
>
Should I mention how much I use Facebook, and Twitter? :)
I accept any lose of privacy that comes with using Google, et al.
It was, and is, *my* choice. You have the choice not to use any of
Google's services if you don't want to. Your post certainly suggests
you don't want to. And that is fine.
>All this trouble is caused by your stupidity, laziness, and intransigence
>to just DO IT YOURSELF.
But there is no trouble from my point of view. This is where your
claim falls apart.
>
>If you'd just DO IT YOURSELF these issues would disappear overnight.
>
Whereas there are no issues, they can't disappear. That which
does not actually exist can't disappear.
>C'mon, idiot, DO IT YOURSELF.
How low is your self esteem that you call me, someone you just
proved is your intellectual superior, a retard and idiot?
This is a serious question.
--
Shill #3. Current Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp
counselor
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2015-08-07 08:42 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Message-ID | <mq2ck6$nsp$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #511727 |
On 8/7/2015 7:59 AM, K Wills (Shill #3) wrote: > On 6 Aug 2015 17:48:22 GMT, Fabian Russell > <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote: > >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 04:18:43 -0500, K Wills (Shill #3) wrote: >> >>> >>> Google recently announced that it's dropping its Google + >>> requirements for its products. I don't like it. I like the convenience >>> of having everything attached to my G+. >> >> You are a part of the godammned problem. >> >> Why do you need Google at all? > > I don't *need* it. But I do like it. > >> What's the matter, retard, can't you >> do anything for yourself? > > Dale Carnegie. Look into it. > >> >> You pay money ($$$) to an ISP for Internet access. As part of that >> deal you get lots of stuff. > > I sure do. > >> You get several email accounts. > > Yep. I think 10, but I would have to look to be certain. I only > need one, so it's not really important to me. > >> You >> get large amounts of storage space (100's of megabytes if not gigabytes). > > With the ISP's cloud, I have five gigs of storage available. > But here's the thing. What happens when I change ISPs? I'll > either lose it all, or I'll have to download it all and put it > somewhere else. > I have most of my stuff on Google's cloud. No matter what ISP I > use, it will be there. At least for the foreseeable future. And I like > that. > >> With all that you can create your own personal web site, upload >> all your images, and easily link with your friends/associates. > > I sure can. > You know what? I can share links to items on Google Cloud also. > >> >> But do you do it? > > I use my ISP's E-mail. It's not listed with my Usenet posts, but > I've not listed an ISP E-mail address with Usenet posts for about 15 > years. I was using my Yahoo E-mail for Usenet posts until sometime in > 2004. I've listed my Gmail address since then. > I have some items on my ISP's cloud. Not much, but some. It's > stuff that I'd like to keep, but wouldn't be upset if it were lost. > I don't have a personal web page anywhere. > >> No, retard, you rely on Google and other parties >> to do it for you. As a result of the "no free lunch" reality, >> this reliance engenders the problems of privacy loss that effects >> us all today. >> > > Should I mention how much I use Facebook, and Twitter? :) > I accept any lose of privacy that comes with using Google, et al. > It was, and is, *my* choice. You have the choice not to use any of > Google's services if you don't want to. Your post certainly suggests > you don't want to. And that is fine. > >> All this trouble is caused by your stupidity, laziness, and intransigence >> to just DO IT YOURSELF. > > But there is no trouble from my point of view. This is where your > claim falls apart. > >> >> If you'd just DO IT YOURSELF these issues would disappear overnight. >> > > Whereas there are no issues, they can't disappear. That which > does not actually exist can't disappear. > >> C'mon, idiot, DO IT YOURSELF. > > How low is your self esteem that you call me, someone you just > proved is your intellectual superior, a retard and idiot? > This is a serious question. > And this exemplifies the clash I talked about earlier. "Fabian" is the kind of person who would rather work with kit parts, spending a lot of time and effort himself to put his digital environment together. He then doesn't mind if he has to do the work over again, because to him doing the work HIMSELF is the enjoyable part. He simply doesn't understand why anybody wouldn't want to do the work HIMSELF. These are the same people who never take their car to a mechanic, who do all their own home repairs, who never buy prepared foods and rarely go to restaurants. They favor older cars, older computers, older appliances, because they enjoy the old-school tinkering. Because SELF-RELIANCE is premium. K Wills is the kind of person who is looking for convenience and portability, and who wants to spend his time doing things other than maintaining his own digital environment. He sees digital services as a commodity utility, rather than a hobby kit. He's completely fine having someone else do work for him. These are the same people who call repairmen, even though in some of the cases they could have fixed it themselves, because sometimes it's just not worth the trouble or the time. These people enjoy eating out or bringing home take-out food. They like modern appliances, up-to-date electronics, and low-mileage cars that don't require a lot of maintenance. Because the support of a service-oriented community is premium. Neither is better than the other. They are just DIFFERENT. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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