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Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about

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  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 06:21 -0400
    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 10:44 -0400
      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-06-26 10:32 -0500
      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 11:36 -0400
        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 19:20 -0400
          Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 04:58 -0400
            Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 10:54 -0400
              Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 12:10 -0400
                Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 18:19 -0400
                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 06:22 -0400
                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 12:23 -0400
                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 14:11 -0400
                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-30 12:26 -0500
                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 06:13 -0400
                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 12:02 -0500
                          Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 13:06 -0500
                            Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-07-01 13:22 -0500
                              Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 11:34 -0700
                                Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 14:34 -0500
                                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 14:57 -0700
                                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 07:19 -0400
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-02 07:52 -0700
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 11:44 -0400
                                          Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 13:34 -0400
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 13:22 -0400
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 13:29 -0400
                                          Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 20:17 -0400
                                            Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 06:23 -0400
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-02 11:59 -0700
                                      As entropy thins mass, space_time expands. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-07-02 14:57 -0700
                                        Re: As entropy thins mass, space_time expands. Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-02 16:32 -0700
                                          "Heat Death" (thermodynamic equilibrium, maximum entropy). Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-07-02 18:03 -0700
                                            Re: "Heat Death" (thermodynamic equilibrium, maximum entropy). Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-02 18:16 -0700
                                              R.I.P. Gravity. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-07-02 18:49 -0700
                                                Re: R.I.P. Gravity. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 01:52 -0400
                                              Re: "Heat Death" (thermodynamic equilibrium, maximum entropy). benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 01:55 -0400
                                                Re: "Heat Death" (thermodynamic equilibrium, maximum entropy). Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-02 23:32 -0700
                                                Re: "Heat Death" (thermodynamic equilibrium, maximum entropy). talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-03 04:47 -0700
                                            Re: "Heat Death" (thermodynamic equilibrium, maximum entropy). moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-03 14:30 +0000
                                              R.I.P. Gravity. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-07-03 14:57 -0700
                                            Re: "Heat Death" (thermodynamic equilibrium, maximum entropy). Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-03 11:38 -0700
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 00:06 -0400
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 06:31 -0400
                                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 10:51 -0500
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 17:56 -0700
                              Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:56 -0500
                            Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 16:32 -0700
                            Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:55 -0500
                          Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 14:36 -0400
                            Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-01 18:29 -0700
                              Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 20:55 -0500
                              Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 06:28 -0400
                                Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-02 03:48 -0700
                                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 07:21 -0400
                                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-02 04:34 -0700
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 07:46 -0400
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 13:32 -0400
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 00:02 -0400
                                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 13:28 -0400
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-02 11:58 -0700
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 00:03 -0400
                                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:59 -0500
                                Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 13:19 -0400
                                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 13:35 -0400
                                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 20:19 -0400
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-02 18:32 -0700
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 06:35 -0400
                                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-02 12:01 -0700
                                    Re: Ben_Jacoby perverts science to justify his dreams. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 20:57 -0400
                                Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:58 -0500
                                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 06:35 -0400
                                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-04 09:00 -0500
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 12:14 -0400
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 09:09 -0500
                                          Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 07:13 -0400
                                            Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-06 14:18 -0500
                                              Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 18:12 -0400
                                                Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-07 08:03 -0500
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-04 09:24 -0700
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 09:10 -0500
                                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 12:09 -0400
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 12:32 -0400
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 16:53 -0400
                                          Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 06:02 -0400
                                            Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-07-05 06:55 -0700
                                            Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 02:06 -0400
                                              Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 07:20 -0400
                              Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:58 -0500
                            Re: The (4D) timescape is static. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 22:20 -0400
                              Re: The (4D) timescape is static. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 00:25 -0400
                            Re: The (4D) timescape is static. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-02 16:44 +0000
                              Re: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-03 01:39 +0000
                                Re: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 20:44 -0500
                                  Re: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-07-02 20:19 -0700
                                Re: Jeff Relf smells like aspie. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-03 14:24 +0000
                            Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:57 -0500
                              Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 06:40 -0400
                                Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-04 09:00 -0500
                                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-04 07:51 -0700
                                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 09:12 -0500
                                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-05 08:56 -0700
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-05 11:15 -0500
                                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 16:59 -0500
                                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 12:15 -0400
                                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 09:13 -0500
                Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-06-27 18:59 -0700
                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 23:29 -0400
                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 06:32 -0400
                      Re: The anonymous troll who occationally calls himself "HVAC". Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-28 08:24 -0700
                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 12:36 -0400
                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-06-27 22:40 -0700
                  Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 06:26 -0400
                    Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 12:28 -0400
                      Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 14:49 -0400
                        Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 01:53 -0400
                          Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 01:25 -0400

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#504592

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-04 12:09 -0400
Message-ID<HyTlx.87324$OE7.61806@fx27.iad>
In reply to#504532
On 07/04/2015 06:35 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 7/3/2015 5:58 PM, duke wrote:
>>
>>>>> Why does 2 + 2 = 4?
>>>>
>>>> Because when you have two things, and you add two more things, you have
>>>> x things, and long ago people decided to call x "four".
>>>
>>>
>>> Exactly. It is what it is.
>>
>> Thanks be to God for making it what it is.
>
>
> Hail Satan for having the balls to stand up to god. Please tell me Duke,
> what exactly did Satan do that is so bad? This thought has brought my
> entire catholic upbringing and education into question.
>
> I look at all the evil, suffering and horror that god has wrought unto
> the world and am comparing/contrasting it with the biblical devil. So
> again I ask you, what did Satan do that was so bad?
>
Just sign the contract, Harlow! You won't regret it...until later.




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#504608

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-04 12:32 -0400
Message-ID<mn91of$vae$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#504592
On 7/4/2015 12:09 PM, benj wrote:
>
>>> Thanks be to God for making it what it is.
>>
>>
>> Hail Satan for having the balls to stand up to god. Please tell me Duke,
>> what exactly did Satan do that is so bad? This thought has brought my
>> entire catholic upbringing and education into question.
>>
>> I look at all the evil, suffering and horror that god has wrought unto
>> the world and am comparing/contrasting it with the biblical devil. So
>> again I ask you, what did Satan do that was so bad?
>>
> Just sign the contract, Harlow! You won't regret it...until later.


I don't threaten. I'm not a coward like you, BJ



-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#504681

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-04 16:53 -0400
Message-ID<mJXlx.7889$Xi4.7136@fx09.iad>
In reply to#504608
On 07/04/2015 12:32 PM, HVAC wrote:
> On 7/4/2015 12:09 PM, benj wrote:
>>
>>>> Thanks be to God for making it what it is.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hail Satan for having the balls to stand up to god. Please tell me Duke,
>>> what exactly did Satan do that is so bad? This thought has brought my
>>> entire catholic upbringing and education into question.
>>>
>>> I look at all the evil, suffering and horror that god has wrought unto
>>> the world and am comparing/contrasting it with the biblical devil. So
>>> again I ask you, what did Satan do that was so bad?
>>>
>> Just sign the contract, Harlow! You won't regret it...until later.
>
>
> I don't threaten. I'm not a coward like you, BJ
>
>
Threaten? What in hell are you babbling on about? Satan WILL grant your 
every Earthly wish. Guaranteed! But all business needs a simple 
contract. What are you afraid of? When you start calling everybody a 
coward you must be really scared!



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#504723

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-05 06:02 -0400
Message-ID<mnav98$7sk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#504681
On 7/4/2015 4:53 PM, benj wrote:
>
>>> Just sign the contract, Harlow! You won't regret it...until later.
>>
>>
>> I don't threaten. I'm not a coward like you, BJ
>>
>>
> Threaten? What in hell are you babbling on about? Satan WILL grant your
> every Earthly wish. Guaranteed!


You say that almost as if you believe the devil is real.

You don't REALLY believe in Satan, do you BJ?

BJ?


-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#504745

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2015-07-05 06:55 -0700
Message-ID<mnbctt$nlf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#504723
<swormley1@gmail.com> "Sam Wormley" wrote:
>
john sefton wrote:
>> What causes Gravity is all the OTHER matter in the Universe.
>
"Sam Wormley" wrote:
>   Let's be a bit more specific. Spacetime is warped by he presence of
>   momentum-energy. It is the effect of warped spacetime that we
>   perceive as gravitation.
>
hanson wrote:
Sam, I hope you enjoyed the fireworks
whose pyro-capsules' colorful burn-trail
trajectories displayed beautifully how
Newton's Gravitational force works IN
Space and IN time.
But if you drank enough during the show
you may have become warped enough in
your mind to see that as some imaginary
“space time”. LOL
>
"Sam Wormley" wrote:
>   The force of gravity on you, John, of all those galaxies out there is
>   pretty dang small compared to the earth.
>   You can do the calculation with
>   F_grav = M_you M_galaxy / Dist^2
>
hanson wrote:
Sam, your M^2/D^2 is NOT a Force. It's not even
Spacetime. It ranks right there with Swine Glazier's
G=EMC^2, who at least has Newton's "G" in his
crock, even though in Glaziers' warped mind "G"
stands for "Glazier", he says.... ahahahaha... ahahanson
> -- 
>
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> of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related
> social issues. 

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#504932

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-06 02:06 -0400
Message-ID<vVomx.75339$0i5.44414@fx26.iad>
In reply to#504723
On 07/05/2015 06:02 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 7/4/2015 4:53 PM, benj wrote:
>>
>>>> Just sign the contract, Harlow! You won't regret it...until later.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't threaten. I'm not a coward like you, BJ
>>>
>>>
>> Threaten? What in hell are you babbling on about? Satan WILL grant your
>> every Earthly wish. Guaranteed!
>
>
> You say that almost as if you believe the devil is real.
>
> You don't REALLY believe in Satan, do you BJ?
>
> BJ?

You are a believer, Harlow. You KNOW Satan is real! You've just been too 
dumb to ask to have your every desire granted.



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#504962

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-06 07:20 -0400
Message-ID<mndo69$9jm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#504932
On 7/6/2015 2:06 AM, benj wrote:
>
>> You say that almost as if you believe the devil is real.
>>
>> You don't REALLY believe in Satan, do you BJ?
>>
>> BJ?
>
> You are a believer, Harlow. You KNOW Satan is real! You've just been too
> dumb to ask to have your every desire granted.


I was raised in a poor family. I've always had to work for things I 
wanted. I am glad I had this ethic instilled in me by my folks.

I don't want every desire granted. There is pride in doing for oneself.


PS- This is another example of kicking the tires of a kook. I kicked BJ 
and this time the devil fell out as another one of his beliefs.


-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
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#504447

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-07-03 16:58 -0500
Message-ID<8a1epa1qbos829vbl2lvg4c3sf09s6eaee@4ax.com>
In reply to#503980
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:29:43 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:

>On 07/01/2015 11:36 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>
>> Why does 2 + 2 = 4?
>
>Because when you have two things, and you add two more things, you have 
>x things, and long ago people decided to call x "four".

There you go.  It could just as easily been 3.14157.

the dukester, American-American

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#503988 — Re: The (4D) timescape is static.

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-01 22:20 -0400
SubjectRe: The (4D) timescape is static.
Message-ID<pd1lx.68671$rZ2.47393@fx20.iad>
In reply to#503923
On 07/01/2015 09:22 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>
> Gravity is "exergy" (energy that can do work).
> Net Net, it's consumed away, never to return.
> The (4D) timescape is static.
>
Utter nonsense.

The basic law is conservation of energy which means it can never be 
"consumed". Rolf, you need to learn some basic science. I suggest a 
discussion with Herb Glazier. He is an imperial thinker and knows how 
everything works. You could learn a thing or two!

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#504001 — Re: The (4D) timescape is static.

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-02 00:25 -0400
SubjectRe: The (4D) timescape is static.
Message-ID<033lx.14856$gG6.3283@fx31.iad>
In reply to#503988
On 07/01/2015 11:00 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>
> Replying to me, Ben_Jacoby wrote:
>> > Gravity is "exergy" (energy that can do work).
>> > Net Net, it's consumed away, never to return.
>> > The (4D) timescape is static.
>>
>> Utter nonsense.
>>
>> The basic law is conservation of energy which means it can never be
>> "consumed". Rolf, you need to learn some basic science. I suggest a
>> discussion with Herb Glazier. He is an imperial thinker and knows how
>> everything works. You could learn a thing or two!
>
> The first law of thermodymanics says mass_energy is conserved.
> The second law says:
>
>    Net Net, "exergy" (energy that can do work)
>    is consumed away, never to return;
>    a.k.a. entropy ratchets up.
>
> If you don't understand, look it up, please.

Perhaps you'd better check the First law of Thermodynamics.

Rolf, "Exergy" isn't "consumed energy" that is utter nonsense! Exergy is 
the maximum amount of work available from a system. So gravity can 
supply work, but the energy is not "consumed". This is nothing but a 
bunch of word games which is why you love it. Using a term mass-energy 
is even more word games. Why don't you just grow up a little?

You are still an idiot.



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#504058 — Re: The (4D) timescape is static.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2015-07-02 16:44 +0000
SubjectRe: The (4D) timescape is static.
Message-ID<mn3pq2$f76$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#503923
Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes:

>Gravity is "exergy" (energy that can do work).
>Net Net, it's consumed away, never to return.
>The (4D) timescape is static.

Not really.  Gravitational energy is the potential energy of a system. For
example, two gravitating masses a certain distance apart has a certain
amount of gravitational potential energy.  If undisturbed, it will stay
like that forever.

If you allow the masses to get closer to each other you can extract energy
from it.  Like any other energy, some can be irreversibly lost once you
have done so, but this is not necessarily so.  For example, a mass
orbiting another in a highly elliptical orbit will exchange energy between
kinetic energy of motion and gravitational potential energy as the
orbiting mass gets closer to and further from the primary mass, forever(1).

(1) GR predicts orbiting masses radiate away gravitational waves so such a
system does lose energy after all if this part of GR is correct.  Plus
friction with intersteller matter etc., so if a system otherwise survives
trillions or even quadrillions of years unperturbed, orbiting masses will
eventually spiral into each other.  So maybe there's a little truth to
your silly spammed posts after all.

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#504220 — Re: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2015-07-03 01:39 +0000
SubjectRe: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away.
Message-ID<mn4p4s$p7u$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#504058
Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes:

>Michael_Moroney,

I do not have any underscores in my name.

>The known Universe is cooling and the distances
>between the galaxies is growing exponentionally;
>i.e. gravitational exergy is being consumed away.

Actually, the expansion of the universe increases gravitational energy.
As galaxies move farther apart, some of their kinetic energy becomes
gravitational potential energy just the same as when the moon recedes
from the earth, some of the rotational energy of the earth adds to the
gravitational potential energy of the moon.

Or, if you believe in dark energy driving the expansion, some of the
dark energy's energy increases the gravitational potential energy of the
various galaxy clusters with respect to each other, as dark energy drives 
the clusters farther apart from each other.

>The moon was once just 14,000 miles above earth, not 250,000.
>At the time, Earth's day was five hours long.

>Some of the energy of Earth's rotation 
>is transferred to the tidal bulge (via friction).

>Not only does this makes the earth's day longer,
>it pushes the moon away ( 1.48 inches/year ).

While all that is true, it has nothing to do with the expansion of
the universe, so I don't know why you mention it.

As you say, friction causes the tidal bulge to not be directly "under"
the moon, earth's rotation makes it lead the moon.

The gravitational attraction of the bulge pulls the moon forward in its
orbit, transferring energy to the moon.  This increases the distance
of the moon so some of the energy increases the gravitational potential
energy of the earth-moon system due to the increased distance.
Conversely, the moon's pull on the bulge works against the rotation of
the earth, causing the rotation to slow down.  We just had a leap second, 
in fact, partially due to this.

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#504221 — Re: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away.

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-02 20:44 -0500
SubjectRe: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away.
Message-ID<_a-dnRThb9eOdAjInZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#504220
On 7/2/15 8:39 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Actually, the expansion of the universe increases gravitational energy.
> As galaxies move farther apart, some of their kinetic energy becomes
> gravitational potential energy just the same as when the moon recedes
> from the earth, some of the rotational energy of the earth adds to the
> gravitational potential energy of the moon.


   Except where ever an observer is in the universe, there is roughly
   equal mass (momentum-energy) is every direction and receding on the
   cosmic scale.



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#504237 — Re: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away.

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2015-07-02 20:19 -0700
SubjectRe: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away.
Message-ID<mn4v2f$eui$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#504221
"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
 in message news:_a-dnRThb9eOdAjInZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 7/2/15 8:39 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Actually, the expansion of the universe increases gravitational energy.
>> As galaxies move farther apart, some of their kinetic energy becomes
>> gravitational potential energy just the same as when the moon recedes
>> from the earth, some of the rotational energy of the earth adds to the
>> gravitational potential energy of the moon.
> 
"Sam Wormley" wrote:
>   Except where ever an observer is in the universe, there is roughly
>   equal mass (momentum-energy) is every direction and receding on the
>   cosmic scale.
> 
hanson wrote:
That "observer" crock of yours is nothing but USELESS 
"hear-say" physics from the last early century, which 
already 60+ years ago became invalid when 
<http://tinyurl.com/Einstein-denied-his-SR-and-GR>
and Einstein concluded that:
. ______ SR is short for STUPID RANT _____ and
. ____ GR stands for GULLIBLE RECITAL _____.
>
Poster Moron-eye is a highly bigoted Einstein Dingleberry 
who worships Albert's sphincter, has & will consider that 
mentioning this is 'Anti Semitic" ... ahahaha... ROTFLMAO

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#504288 — Re: Jeff Relf smells like aspie.

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2015-07-03 14:24 +0000
SubjectRe: Jeff Relf smells like aspie.
Message-ID<mn65v9$vhh$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#504220
Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes:

>You (Michael_Moroney) told me:
>> I do not have any underscores in my name.

>Could you possibly be more pedantic ? !
>You smell like aspie.

What, with your autistic-like spamming your crap physics posts over and
over again, and you call me aspie?  Talk about the pot calling the kettle
black!

Not to mention your multiple obsessions with such things like redefining
Usenet the way you want, UTF-8, who is using what newsreader, what your 
screen looks like, etc., etc.

>> >The known Universe is cooling and the distances
>> >between the galaxies is growing exponentionally;
>> >i.e. gravitational exergy is being consumed away.
>> 
>> Actually, the expansion of the universe increases gravitational energy.

>As I told "Siri_Cruz":

>  The known universe is asymptotically approaching 
>  a state where all energy is evenly distributed.

>  Once that happens, Gravity is dead.  R.I.P. Gravity.

>  e=mc^2; so mass gets converted to heat, eventually,
>  per the second law of thermodynamics.

Energy gravitates, just like mass.  (Mass *is* energy, e=mc^2).  Gravity
isn't going anywhere, there will always be the same total energy in the
universe to gravitate, regardless of form.  For as long as the universe
continues to expand, gravitational potential energy will increase.

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#504444

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-07-03 16:57 -0500
Message-ID<i81epa1nd17c16c8c684v6e0h98kpaud7c@4ax.com>
In reply to#503923
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:36:37 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 7/1/2015 1:02 PM, duke wrote:
>>
>>>> God directed that gravity is.  If you can find an alternative reason, please let
>>>> me know.
>>
>>> Why would I let you know? You already HAVE all the answers you need.
>>
>> That's right.  I just thought that maybe you could offer an answer of why 2
>> bodies attract rather than deflect.  You know, an answer other than "well,
>> that's the way God wants it."
>
>
>Why does 2 + 2 = 4?

Because God said it was so.

>Science attempts to describe the world through observation and 
>experiment. We call these 'laws', but really they are descriptions of 
>what we observe.

>So, to answer your question. It is what it is.

There you go.  But it took God to set it in place.

the dukester, American-American

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#504534

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-04 06:40 -0400
Message-ID<mn8d16$ml6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#504444
On 7/3/2015 5:57 PM, duke wrote:
>
>> Science attempts to describe the world through observation and
>> experiment. We call these 'laws', but really they are descriptions of
>> what we observe.
>
>> So, to answer your question. It is what it is.
>
> There you go.  But it took God to set it in place.


That's a leap I will not, cannot make. I have zero faith.
I use the crucible of science to glean what I can from the universe.
The voodoo mumbo jumbo that you believe in just isn't good enough to 
stand up to the scrutiny that science imposes upon it's adherents.

Sorry.


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#504569

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-07-04 09:00 -0500
Message-ID<mnpfpa51fcmq2vj1q8mhkjgsbbl8k0fo0b@4ax.com>
In reply to#504534
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 06:40:08 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 7/3/2015 5:57 PM, duke wrote:
>>
>>> Science attempts to describe the world through observation and
>>> experiment. We call these 'laws', but really they are descriptions of
>>> what we observe.
>>
>>> So, to answer your question. It is what it is.
>>
>> There you go.  But it took God to set it in place.
>
>
>That's a leap I will not, cannot make. I have zero faith.

Gravity attracts because God said that was the way it would be.

>I use the crucible of science to glean what I can from the universe.
>The voodoo mumbo jumbo that you believe in just isn't good enough to 
>stand up to the scrutiny that science imposes upon it's adherents.
>
>Sorry.

the dukester, American-American

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#504575

Fromtalishi <talishi@example.net>
Date2015-07-04 07:51 -0700
Message-ID<mn8rt63d8g@news4.newsguy.com>
In reply to#504569
On 07/04/2015 07:00 AM, duke wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 06:40:08 -0400, HVAC<Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> >On 7/3/2015 5:57 PM, duke wrote:
>>> >>
>>>> >>>Science attempts to describe the world through observation and
>>>> >>>experiment. We call these 'laws', but really they are descriptions of
>>>> >>>what we observe.
>>> >>
>>>> >>>So, to answer your question. It is what it is.
>>> >>
>>> >>There you go.  But it took God to set it in place.
>> >
>> >
>> >That's a leap I will not, cannot make. I have zero faith.
> Gravity attracts because God said that was the way it would be.
>

Or maybe the Earth sucks.

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#504749

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-07-05 09:12 -0500
Message-ID<6oeipa5m1qe8m11pbc2etv2ppvretg55ta@4ax.com>
In reply to#504575
On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 07:51:21 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:

>On 07/04/2015 07:00 AM, duke wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 06:40:08 -0400, HVAC<Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> >On 7/3/2015 5:57 PM, duke wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>Science attempts to describe the world through observation and
>>>>> >>>experiment. We call these 'laws', but really they are descriptions of
>>>>> >>>what we observe.
>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>So, to answer your question. It is what it is.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>There you go.  But it took God to set it in place.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >That's a leap I will not, cannot make. I have zero faith.

>> Gravity attracts because God said that was the way it would be.

>Or maybe the Earth sucks.

Doesn't matter.  It was mandated by God.

the dukester, American-American

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