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Re: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away.

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics, alt.astronomy
Subject Re: Gravitational exergy is being consumed away.
Date 2015-07-03 01:39 +0000
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Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> writes:

>Michael_Moroney,

I do not have any underscores in my name.

>The known Universe is cooling and the distances
>between the galaxies is growing exponentionally;
>i.e. gravitational exergy is being consumed away.

Actually, the expansion of the universe increases gravitational energy.
As galaxies move farther apart, some of their kinetic energy becomes
gravitational potential energy just the same as when the moon recedes
from the earth, some of the rotational energy of the earth adds to the
gravitational potential energy of the moon.

Or, if you believe in dark energy driving the expansion, some of the
dark energy's energy increases the gravitational potential energy of the
various galaxy clusters with respect to each other, as dark energy drives 
the clusters farther apart from each other.

>The moon was once just 14,000 miles above earth, not 250,000.
>At the time, Earth's day was five hours long.

>Some of the energy of Earth's rotation 
>is transferred to the tidal bulge (via friction).

>Not only does this makes the earth's day longer,
>it pushes the moon away ( 1.48 inches/year ).

While all that is true, it has nothing to do with the expansion of
the universe, so I don't know why you mention it.

As you say, friction causes the tidal bulge to not be directly "under"
the moon, earth's rotation makes it lead the moon.

The gravitational attraction of the bulge pulls the moon forward in its
orbit, transferring energy to the moon.  This increases the distance
of the moon so some of the energy increases the gravitational potential
energy of the earth-moon system due to the increased distance.
Conversely, the moon's pull on the bulge works against the rotation of
the earth, causing the rotation to slow down.  We just had a leap second, 
in fact, partially due to this.

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