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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

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  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-02 18:32 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-03 10:49 -0500
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-03 19:04 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:47 -0500
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-05 17:50 -0700
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:45 -0500
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-05 07:15 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-05 20:45 +0200
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:50 -0500
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 12:46 +0200
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-06 07:01 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-06 14:01 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:49 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 23:19 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 05:52 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:28 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:49 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 05:53 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:29 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 12:14 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-07 22:05 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 14:56 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-10 00:36 +0000
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-10 12:10 +0200
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:00 -0500
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-10 18:56 -0700
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 11:48 -0500
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-12 04:19 -0700
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Sesiom <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-06-12 20:57 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-12 19:46 -0700
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 04:00 -0400
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-13 13:37 +0100
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 14:04 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 12:21 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-12 20:50 -0700
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 03:44 -0400
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 05:29 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-13 12:25 +0200
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 07:11 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 13:54 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 12:22 -0500
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 14:08 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 21:31 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 13:47 -0400
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 12:20 -0500
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 14:09 -0400
                                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-13 21:32 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-14 05:14 -0400
                                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-14 09:07 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-14 07:49 -0700
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-13 22:40 +0000
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 12:17 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-13 10:42 -0700
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-10 12:16 +0100
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:01 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 10:56 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-10 23:13 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 11:49 -0500
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 20:45 +0000
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 12:24 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-13 22:50 +0000
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 14:55 -0500
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-08 22:23 +0000
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Sesiom <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-06-08 20:01 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 21:47 -0400
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-08 18:56 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-08 21:11 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-08 22:18 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-09 06:44 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-09 10:32 +0100
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-10 00:42 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:05 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:04 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-10 18:56 +0200
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 11:51 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 11:52 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-10 23:18 +0000
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-11 11:12 +0100
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 11:55 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 20:54 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 12:29 -0500
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-13 22:59 +0000
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-12 04:17 -0700
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-13 12:30 -0500
                                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-13 10:40 -0700
                                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-13 23:03 +0000
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 20:51 +0000
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 11:54 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-11 20:59 +0000
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-07 23:29 +0200
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-07 19:07 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:48 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-08 00:16 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 07:27 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-09 02:50 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-09 14:59 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-10 12:24 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-10 11:15 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-10 19:31 +0200
                              "duke" is imprisoned in a bible, unable to escape. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-06-10 10:39 -0700
                                Re: "duke" is imprisoned in a bible, unable to escape. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 17:02 -0500
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 11:57 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-10 23:24 +0000
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-11 11:58 -0500
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-05 15:50 -0500
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-06 06:20 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-06 11:51 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gray <savagegraycork@friends.gsl> - 2015-06-06 12:55 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:30 -0500
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 05:55 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:31 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 12:25 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 01:20 -0400
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 05:01 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 07:22 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 07:40 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-08 20:04 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-08 07:28 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-08 22:29 +0000
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 05:57 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-07 09:32 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-07 08:54 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-07 12:26 -0400

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#497427 — Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

Fromtalishi <talishi@example.net>
Date2015-06-02 18:32 -0700
SubjectRe: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.
Message-ID<mklleg622s9@news7.newsguy.com>
duke wrote:
> Existence mandates creation.

Then either your God doesn't exist, or your God was created, or you are 
lying.

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#497535

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-03 10:49 -0500
Message-ID<qb8uma1olidig1qmsvp91m33flr6igr41j@4ax.com>
In reply to#497427
On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 18:32:50 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>> Existence mandates creation.
>
>Then either your God doesn't exist, or your God was created, or you are 
>lying.

None of the three.  We just don't know of God's origin.  

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#497687

Fromtalishi <talishi@example.net>
Date2015-06-03 19:04 -0700
Message-ID<mkobn851knn@news3.newsguy.com>
In reply to#497535
duke wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 18:32:50 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>  wrote:
>
>> >duke wrote:
>>> >>Existence mandates creation.
>> >
>> >Then either your God doesn't exist, or your God was created, or you are
>> >lying.
> None of the three.  We just don't know of God's origin.

Your claim is that existence mandates creation.  Either that is true, or 
it is false.   If it is false, then you lied.

If your claim is true, then God's existence mandates his creation.  So 
if God was not created, then he does not exist.

If God does exist, then he was created.

Those are the only three possible options.

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#498006

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-05 15:47 -0500
Message-ID<1k24na5r0g1jtrd3bl20ungstohtnqh6so@4ax.com>
In reply to#497687
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 19:04:51 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 18:32:50 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> >duke wrote:
>>>> >>Existence mandates creation.
>>> >
>>> >Then either your God doesn't exist, or your God was created, or you are
>>> >lying.
>> None of the three.  We just don't know of God's origin.
>
>Your claim is that existence mandates creation.  Either that is true, or 
>it is false.   If it is false, then you lied.
>
>If your claim is true, then God's existence mandates his creation. 

Beyond a shadow of a doubt.  Unless you are created, you don't exist.

>So 
>if God was not created, then he does not exist.

Answered.

>If God does exist, then he was created.
>Those are the only three possible options.

And I well told you that it is not for man to know of God's origin.  We cannot
get past always was, always is, always will be. 

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#498091

Fromtalishi <talishi@example.net>
Date2015-06-05 17:50 -0700
Message-ID<mktg3p2148n@news3.newsguy.com>
In reply to#498006
On 06/05/2015 01:47 PM, duke wrote:
> And I well told you that it is not for man to know of God's origin.  We cannot
> get past always was, always is, always will be.

The universe always was, always is, always will be.  That's what you get 
when you cut out the spare tire that is a "creator".

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#498177

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-06 11:45 -0500
Message-ID<qr86natghes758tnl66s09lehl5g79k9df@4ax.com>
In reply to#498091
On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:50:01 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:

>On 06/05/2015 01:47 PM, duke wrote:
>> And I well told you that it is not for man to know of God's origin.  We cannot
>> get past always was, always is, always will be.
>
>The universe always was, always is, always will be.  That's what you get 
>when you cut out the spare tire that is a "creator".

If the universe is such, then the creator is also.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#497914

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-06-05 07:15 -0400
Message-ID<mks09k$34p$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#497535
On 6/3/2015 11:49 AM, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 18:32:50 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> Existence mandates creation.
>>
>> Then either your God doesn't exist, or your God was created, or you are
>> lying.
>
> None of the three.  We just don't know of God's origin.


That's the exact answer *I* give to the question, "How did the universe 
begin". Duke, you're almost there. Keep thinking and soon you will come 
to understand the truth.

But not to worry. There will be no need to run wild when you realize 
there is no god. Just act like a decent human being. Do good acts for 
there OWN sake. Not out of fear of punishment or loss of reward.

Truly this will make you a better person than one who had to be coerced 
into acting properly.

So good luck and Hail Satan!



-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#497968

From"Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk>
Date2015-06-05 20:45 +0200
Message-ID<5571ee47$0$23215$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>
In reply to#497914
"HVAC"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mks09k$34p$1@dont-email.me...

(snip)

> ... Do good acts for there OWN sake. ...

That's impossible, because 'good acts' are defined as acts done for the sole
purpose of pleasuring God.

(snip)


-- 
Malte Runz

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#498008

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-05 15:50 -0500
Message-ID<fs24natp974t901caap842jqkm62juo7ch@4ax.com>
In reply to#497968
On Fri, 5 Jun 2015 20:45:32 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote:

>"HVAC"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mks09k$34p$1@dont-email.me...
>
>(snip)
>
>> ... Do good acts for there OWN sake. ...
>
>That's impossible, because 'good acts' are defined as acts done for the sole
>purpose of pleasuring God.

No, not pleasuring, but pleasing to God's love.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#498129

From"Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk>
Date2015-06-06 12:46 +0200
Message-ID<5572cf97$1$23224$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>
In reply to#498008
"duke"  skrev i meddelelsen 
news:fs24natp974t901caap842jqkm62juo7ch@4ax.com...
>
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2015 20:45:32 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> 
> wrote:
>
> >"HVAC"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mks09k$34p$1@dont-email.me...
> >
> >(snip)
> >
> >> ... Do good acts for there OWN sake. ...
> >
> >That's impossible, because 'good acts' are defined as acts done for the 
> >sole
> >purpose of pleasuring God.
>
> No, not pleasuring, but pleasing to God's love.

The setup: An atheist devotes his life to help the needy. A theist does the 
same.
Question: Is there a difference in 'goodness' between the acts of the two?


-- 
Malte Runz

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#498131

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-06-06 07:01 -0400
Message-ID<mkujq9$bcn$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#498129
On 6/6/2015 6:46 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
>
> The setup: An atheist devotes his life to help the needy. A theist does
> the same.
> Question: Is there a difference in 'goodness' between the acts of the two?



Yes. The non believer is better because he does these acts out of 
altruism, not like the believer who does it out of fear.


-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#498137

From"Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk>
Date2015-06-06 14:01 +0200
Message-ID<5572e0f9$1$23233$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>
In reply to#498131
"HVAC"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mkujq9$bcn$2@dont-email.me...
>
> On 6/6/2015 6:46 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
> >
> > The setup: An atheist devotes his life to help[ing] the needy. A theist
> > does
> > the same.
> > Question: Is there a difference in 'goodness' between the acts of the
> > two?
>
>
>
> Yes. The non believer is better because he does these acts out of
> altruism, not like the believer who does it out of fear.

I do agree, but for now I want duke to focus on the act itself, not on the
motivation of the agent.


-- 
Malte Runz

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#498184

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-06 11:49 -0500
Message-ID<q496napmp92qd4ikrfdkcar0ra66ref4es@4ax.com>
In reply to#498137
On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 14:01:01 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> wrote:

>"HVAC"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mkujq9$bcn$2@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 6/6/2015 6:46 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
>> >
>> > The setup: An atheist devotes his life to help[ing] the needy. A theist
>> > does
>> > the same.
>> > Question: Is there a difference in 'goodness' between the acts of the
>> > two?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes. The non believer is better because he does these acts out of
>> altruism, not like the believer who does it out of fear.
>
>I do agree, but for now I want duke to focus on the act itself, not on the
>motivation of the agent.

Done.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#498487

From"Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk>
Date2015-06-07 23:19 +0200
Message-ID<5574b55a$1$23223$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>
In reply to#498184
"duke"  skrev i meddelelsen 
news:q496napmp92qd4ikrfdkcar0ra66ref4es@4ax.com...
>
> On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 14:01:01 +0200, "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> 
> wrote:
>
> >"HVAC"  skrev i meddelelsen news:mkujq9$bcn$2@dont-email.me...
> >>
> >> On 6/6/2015 6:46 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The setup: An atheist devotes his life to help[ing] the needy. A 
> >> > theist
> >> > does
> >> > the same.
> >> > Question: Is there a difference in 'goodness' between the acts of the
> >> > two?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes. The non believer is better because he does these acts out of
> >> altruism, not like the believer who does it out of fear.
> >
> >I do agree, but for now I want duke to focus on the act itself, not on 
> >the
> >motivation of the agent.
>
> Done.

Okay... Let's focus our attention on the

Question: Is there a difference in 'goodness' between the acts of the two?


-- 
Malte Runz

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#498357

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-06-07 05:52 -0400
Message-ID<ml1473$muj$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#498137
On 6/6/2015 8:01 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
>
>> Yes. The non believer is better because he does these acts out of
>> altruism, not like the believer who does it out of fear.
>
> I do agree, but for now I want duke to focus on the act itself, not on the
> motivation of the agent.


Duke?  Good luck. He's stuck on stupid.




-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#498404

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-07 09:28 -0500
Message-ID<47l8natm8d56qqg8kvv93d8d8qs3hud4bo@4ax.com>
In reply to#498357
On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 05:52:59 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 6/6/2015 8:01 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. The non believer is better because he does these acts out of
>>> altruism, not like the believer who does it out of fear.
>>
>> I do agree, but for now I want duke to focus on the act itself, not on the
>> motivation of the agent.
>
>
>Duke?  Good luck. He's stuck on stupid.

As long as I'm not you, I'm not stuck on stupid.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#498183

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-06 11:49 -0500
Message-ID<5396nahrg2old91rsjjsuia404so0r3c2s@4ax.com>
In reply to#498131
On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 07:01:25 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 6/6/2015 6:46 AM, Malte Runz wrote:
>>
>> The setup: An atheist devotes his life to help the needy. A theist does
>> the same.
>> Question: Is there a difference in 'goodness' between the acts of the two?
>
>
>
>Yes. The non believer is better because he does these acts out of 
>altruism, not like the believer who does it out of fear.

I do it because God specifically called for us to follow his Son.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#498358

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-06-07 05:53 -0400
Message-ID<ml148k$muj$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#498183
On 6/6/2015 12:49 PM, duke wrote:
>
>> Yes. The non believer is better because he does these acts out of
>> altruism, not like the believer who does it out of fear.
>
> I do it because God specifically called for us to follow his Son.


No he didn't.


-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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#498405

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2015-06-07 09:29 -0500
Message-ID<d8l8nat9th9imh0s64r40kv6vds65ufeus@4ax.com>
In reply to#498358
On Sun, 07 Jun 2015 05:53:48 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 6/6/2015 12:49 PM, duke wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. The non believer is better because he does these acts out of
>>> altruism, not like the believer who does it out of fear.
>>
>> I do it because God specifically called for us to follow his Son.

>No he didn't.

Well, now you know why satan is so joyous about your pending arrival.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#498437

FromHVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com>
Date2015-06-07 12:14 -0400
Message-ID<ml1qfr$1sj$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#498405
On 6/7/2015 10:29 AM, duke wrote:
>
>>>> Yes. The non believer is better because he does these acts out of
>>>> altruism, not like the believer who does it out of fear.
>>>
>>> I do it because God specifically called for us to follow his Son.
>
>> No he didn't.
>
> Well, now you know why satan is so joyous about your pending arrival.


Wishing for someone, in this case ME, to be burned in hellfire forever 
is not a very christian thing to wish on someone. Right Duke?

Duke?


-- 
Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
HAIL HYDRA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224

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