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Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone

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  Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-14 07:53 -0500
    Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-14 11:12 -0500
    Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-14 17:59 +0000
      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-14 15:25 -0500
        Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-14 23:52 +0000
          Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-14 19:41 -0500
            Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-15 01:29 +0000
              Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-14 21:44 -0500
                Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-15 03:28 +0000
                  Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-15 09:49 -0500
                    Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-15 17:17 +0000
                      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-15 16:13 -0500
                        Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-15 22:50 +0000
                      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 09:15 -0500
                        Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 16:14 +0000
                          Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone cowbird <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-06-16 13:17 -0500
                            Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 20:53 +0000
                    Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 13:59 -0700
                      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone cowbird <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-06-15 20:04 -0500
                    Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-16 09:44 -0500
                      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone cowbird <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-06-16 10:12 -0500
                        Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-16 10:43 -0500
                          Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone cowbird <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-06-16 13:28 -0500
                            Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-17 08:02 -0500
                              Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-17 12:27 -0500
                          Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 13:54 -0500
                            Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 20:54 +0000
                              Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone cowbird <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-06-16 16:16 -0500
                                Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 21:57 +0000
                                  Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 17:43 -0500
                                    Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 23:08 +0000
                                      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 19:27 -0500
                                        Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-17 00:49 +0000
                          Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2016-06-17 11:47 +1200
    Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 02:16 -0700
      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-15 17:20 +0000
        Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 07:33 -0500
          Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 16:17 +0000
            Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone cowbird <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-06-16 13:53 -0500
              Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 20:55 +0000
                Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone cowbird <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-06-16 16:30 -0500
                  Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 22:04 +0000
                    Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 17:51 -0500
                      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 23:09 +0000
                    Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 18:07 -0500
                      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 23:23 +0000
                        Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 19:16 -0500
      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone cowbird <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-06-15 20:21 -0500
        Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 05:10 +0000
          Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone cowbird <user@domain.invalid> - 2016-06-16 06:56 -0500
            Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 16:23 +0000
              Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 13:53 -0500
                Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 20:58 +0000
                  Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 17:10 -0500
                    Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-16 22:35 +0000
                      Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-16 19:28 -0500
                        Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-17 00:50 +0000
                          Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> - 2016-06-17 08:32 -0500
                            Re: Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-17 16:23 +0000

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#585196

Fromcowbird <user@domain.invalid>
Date2016-06-16 16:30 -0500
Message-ID<njv5st$174a$1@adenine.netfront.net>
In reply to#585191
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, nor does he know what form carbon is in in plants nor how that
>>>>>>> could later become a gas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lets take your supposition that the only way plant
>>>>> carbon compounds can be turned into CO2 is burning.
>>> Not the only, but the major way.
>>>
>>> If all, or even most of, the organic matterial in the soil were converting
>>> to CO2, the soil would have major outgassing, which it doesn't.
>>
>>
>> I believe there is no bigger source of CO2
>> released into the atmosphere than soil respiration
>>
>> "Here is what Wikipedia says.
>> "In 2008, the global total of CO2 released from the
>> soil reached roughly 98 billion tonnes, about 10 times
>> more carbon than humans are now putting into the
>> atmosphere each year by burning fossil fuel."
>>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_cycle
>
> So burning fossil fuel isn't a problem.

Its a problem that could be solved

Depletion of carbon in the soil is a far
bigger problem that could eventually lead
to desertification of farm lands.

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#585204

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-06-16 22:04 +0000
Message-ID<adkb3d-hbq.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#585196
cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, nor does he know what form carbon is in in plants nor how that
>>>>>>>> could later become a gas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lets take your supposition that the only way plant
>>>>>> carbon compounds can be turned into CO2 is burning.
>>>> Not the only, but the major way.
>>>>
>>>> If all, or even most of, the organic matterial in the soil were converting
>>>> to CO2, the soil would have major outgassing, which it doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe there is no bigger source of CO2
>>> released into the atmosphere than soil respiration
>>>
>>> "Here is what Wikipedia says.
>>> "In 2008, the global total of CO2 released from the
>>> soil reached roughly 98 billion tonnes, about 10 times
>>> more carbon than humans are now putting into the
>>> atmosphere each year by burning fossil fuel."
>>>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_cycle
>>
>> So burning fossil fuel isn't a problem.
> 
> Its a problem that could be solved

If soil emmisions of CO2 are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
humans generate by burning fossil fuel, and the emissions of CO2 from
fires and volcanoes are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
humans generate by burning fossil fuel, how can humans burning fossil fuel
be a problem?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#585210

Fromjim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net">
Date2016-06-16 17:51 -0500
Message-ID<njvaia$us8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#585204
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, nor does he know what form carbon is in in plants nor how that
>>>>>>>>> could later become a gas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets take your supposition that the only way plant
>>>>>>> carbon compounds can be turned into CO2 is burning.
>>>>> Not the only, but the major way.
>>>>>
>>>>> If all, or even most of, the organic matterial in the soil were converting
>>>>> to CO2, the soil would have major outgassing, which it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe there is no bigger source of CO2
>>>> released into the atmosphere than soil respiration
>>>>
>>>> "Here is what Wikipedia says.
>>>> "In 2008, the global total of CO2 released from the
>>>> soil reached roughly 98 billion tonnes, about 10 times
>>>> more carbon than humans are now putting into the
>>>> atmosphere each year by burning fossil fuel."
>>>>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_cycle
>>>
>>> So burning fossil fuel isn't a problem.
>>
>> Its a problem that could be solved
>
> If soil emmisions of CO2 are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
> humans generate by burning fossil fuel, and the emissions of CO2 from
> fires and volcanoes are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
> humans generate by burning fossil fuel, how can humans burning fossil fuel
> be a problem?
>


Its a problem only if humans act incompetently
Of the rest of humankind is as incompetent
ad you are - just about anything becomes
a serious problem.

As usual you have your facts wrong.
And you don't seem to care that you are babbling
misinformation.

First you told us there were no CO2 emissions
from soil now you are making up facts about volcanoes.

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#585214

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-06-16 23:09 +0000
Message-ID<q6ob3d-5pq.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#585210
jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, nor does he know what form carbon is in in plants nor how that
>>>>>>>>>> could later become a gas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lets take your supposition that the only way plant
>>>>>>>> carbon compounds can be turned into CO2 is burning.
>>>>>> Not the only, but the major way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If all, or even most of, the organic matterial in the soil were converting
>>>>>> to CO2, the soil would have major outgassing, which it doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe there is no bigger source of CO2
>>>>> released into the atmosphere than soil respiration
>>>>>
>>>>> "Here is what Wikipedia says.
>>>>> "In 2008, the global total of CO2 released from the
>>>>> soil reached roughly 98 billion tonnes, about 10 times
>>>>> more carbon than humans are now putting into the
>>>>> atmosphere each year by burning fossil fuel."
>>>>>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_cycle
>>>>
>>>> So burning fossil fuel isn't a problem.
>>>
>>> Its a problem that could be solved
>>
>> If soil emmisions of CO2 are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
>> humans generate by burning fossil fuel, and the emissions of CO2 from
>> fires and volcanoes are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
>> humans generate by burning fossil fuel, how can humans burning fossil fuel
>> be a problem?
>>
> 
> 
> Its a problem only if humans act incompetently

How about if humans burn fossil fuel competently?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#585211

Fromjim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net">
Date2016-06-16 18:07 -0500
Message-ID<njvbfd$1ph$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#585204
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, nor does he know what form carbon is in in plants nor how that
>>>>>>>>> could later become a gas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets take your supposition that the only way plant
>>>>>>> carbon compounds can be turned into CO2 is burning.
>>>>> Not the only, but the major way.
>>>>>
>>>>> If all, or even most of, the organic matterial in the soil were converting
>>>>> to CO2, the soil would have major outgassing, which it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe there is no bigger source of CO2
>>>> released into the atmosphere than soil respiration
>>>>
>>>> "Here is what Wikipedia says.
>>>> "In 2008, the global total of CO2 released from the
>>>> soil reached roughly 98 billion tonnes, about 10 times
>>>> more carbon than humans are now putting into the
>>>> atmosphere each year by burning fossil fuel."
>>>>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_cycle
>>>
>>> So burning fossil fuel isn't a problem.
>>
>> Its a problem that could be solved
>
> If soil emmisions of CO2 are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
> humans generate by burning fossil fuel, and the emissions of CO2 from
> fires and volcanoes are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
> humans generate by burning fossil fuel, how can humans burning fossil fuel
> be a problem?
>

Its a problem only if humans act incompetently
Of the rest of humankind is as incompetent
ad you are - just about anything becomes
a serious problem.

As usual you have your facts wrong.
And you don't seem to care that you are babbling
misinformation.

First you told us there were no CO2 emissions
from soil now you are making up facts about volcanoes.

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#585217

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-06-16 23:23 +0000
Message-ID<40pb3d-msq.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#585211
jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, nor does he know what form carbon is in in plants nor how that
>>>>>>>>>> could later become a gas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lets take your supposition that the only way plant
>>>>>>>> carbon compounds can be turned into CO2 is burning.
>>>>>> Not the only, but the major way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If all, or even most of, the organic matterial in the soil were converting
>>>>>> to CO2, the soil would have major outgassing, which it doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe there is no bigger source of CO2
>>>>> released into the atmosphere than soil respiration
>>>>>
>>>>> "Here is what Wikipedia says.
>>>>> "In 2008, the global total of CO2 released from the
>>>>> soil reached roughly 98 billion tonnes, about 10 times
>>>>> more carbon than humans are now putting into the
>>>>> atmosphere each year by burning fossil fuel."
>>>>>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_cycle
>>>>
>>>> So burning fossil fuel isn't a problem.
>>>
>>> Its a problem that could be solved
>>
>> If soil emmisions of CO2 are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
>> humans generate by burning fossil fuel, and the emissions of CO2 from
>> fires and volcanoes are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
>> humans generate by burning fossil fuel, how can humans burning fossil fuel
>> be a problem?
>>
> 
> Its a problem only if humans act incompetently

How about if humans burn fossil fuel competently?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#585226

Fromjim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net">
Date2016-06-16 19:16 -0500
Message-ID<njvfgo$brg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#585217
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> >>>Its a problem that could be solved
>>> >>
>>> >>If soil emmisions of CO2 are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
>>> >>humans generate by burning fossil fuel, and the emissions of CO2 from
>>> >>fires and volcanoes are an order of magnitude greater than the amount
>>> >>humans generate by burning fossil fuel, how can humans burning fossil fuel
>>> >>be a problem?
>>> >>
>> >
>> >Its a problem only if humans act incompetently

> How about if humans burn fossil fuel competently?
>

Increased competence would result in burning less

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#585074

Fromcowbird <user@domain.invalid>
Date2016-06-15 20:21 -0500
Message-ID<njsuug$8nd$1@adenine.netfront.net>
In reply to#584980
nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 5:53:23 AM UTC-7, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>> Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone
>>>
>>> bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
>>> June 10, 2016
>>>
>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2016/06/scientists-turn-carbon-dioxide.html
>>
>> Turning carbon emissions to stone is even dumber
>> than doing nothing at all. And doing nothing is
>> pretty stupid.
>>
>> The real problem is not that man has put too much
>> carbon into the atmosphere. The problem is man's
>> agriculture production model has destroyed too
>> much carbon from the world's soils.
>
>    Do you even know how photosynthesis works?

  http://modernfarmer.com/2016/03/carbon-farming/
All agricultural production originates from the process of
plant photosynthesis, which uses sunshine to combine carbon
dioxide (CO2) from the air with water and minerals from the
soil to produce plant material, both above and below ground.

Common agricultural practices, including driving a tractor, tilling
the soil and grazing, result in the return of CO2 to the air.  As
  much as one third of the surplus CO2 in the atmosphere driving
climate change today has come from land management practices that
cause loss of carbon, as CO2, from our working lands.

On the other hand, carbon can be stored long-term (decades to
centuries or more) in soils in a process called "soil carbon 
sequestration." Carbon Farming involves implementing practices
that are known to improve the rate at which CO2 is removed from
the atmosphere and converted to plant material and/or soil
organic matter.  Carbon Farming is successful when carbon gains 
resulting from enhanced land management and/or conservation
practices exceed carbon losses.

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#585098

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-06-16 05:10 +0000
Message-ID<gvo93d-f5k.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#585074
cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
> nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 5:53:23 AM UTC-7, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>>> Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone
>>>>
>>>> bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
>>>> June 10, 2016
>>>>
>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2016/06/scientists-turn-carbon-dioxide.html
>>>
>>> Turning carbon emissions to stone is even dumber
>>> than doing nothing at all. And doing nothing is
>>> pretty stupid.
>>>
>>> The real problem is not that man has put too much
>>> carbon into the atmosphere. The problem is man's
>>> agriculture production model has destroyed too
>>> much carbon from the world's soils.
>>
>>    Do you even know how photosynthesis works?
> 
>  http://modernfarmer.com/2016/03/carbon-farming/
> All agricultural production originates from the process of
> plant photosynthesis, which uses sunshine to combine carbon
> dioxide (CO2) from the air with water and minerals from the
> soil to produce plant material, both above and below ground.
> 
> Common agricultural practices, including driving a tractor, tilling
> the soil and grazing, result in the return of CO2 to the air.  As
>  much as one third of the surplus CO2 in the atmosphere driving
> climate change today has come from land management practices that
> cause loss of carbon, as CO2, from our working lands.
> 
> On the other hand, carbon can be stored long-term (decades to
> centuries or more) in soils in a process called "soil carbon 
> sequestration." Carbon Farming involves implementing practices
> that are known to improve the rate at which CO2 is removed from
> the atmosphere and converted to plant material and/or soil
> organic matter.  Carbon Farming is successful when carbon gains 
> resulting from enhanced land management and/or conservation
> practices exceed carbon losses.

What's that carbon worth per acre on the open market? 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#585119

Fromcowbird <user@domain.invalid>
Date2016-06-16 06:56 -0500
Message-ID<nju459$10pf$1@adenine.netfront.net>
In reply to#585098
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>> nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 5:53:23 AM UTC-7, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>>>> Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone
>>>>>
>>>>> bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
>>>>> June 10, 2016
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2016/06/scientists-turn-carbon-dioxide.html
>>>>
>>>> Turning carbon emissions to stone is even dumber
>>>> than doing nothing at all. And doing nothing is
>>>> pretty stupid.
>>>>
>>>> The real problem is not that man has put too much
>>>> carbon into the atmosphere. The problem is man's
>>>> agriculture production model has destroyed too
>>>> much carbon from the world's soils.
>>>
>>>     Do you even know how photosynthesis works?
>>
>>   http://modernfarmer.com/2016/03/carbon-farming/
>> All agricultural production originates from the process of
>> plant photosynthesis, which uses sunshine to combine carbon
>> dioxide (CO2) from the air with water and minerals from the
>> soil to produce plant material, both above and below ground.
>>
>> Common agricultural practices, including driving a tractor, tilling
>> the soil and grazing, result in the return of CO2 to the air.  As
>>   much as one third of the surplus CO2 in the atmosphere driving
>> climate change today has come from land management practices that
>> cause loss of carbon, as CO2, from our working lands.
>>
>> On the other hand, carbon can be stored long-term (decades to
>> centuries or more) in soils in a process called "soil carbon
>> sequestration." Carbon Farming involves implementing practices
>> that are known to improve the rate at which CO2 is removed from
>> the atmosphere and converted to plant material and/or soil
>> organic matter.  Carbon Farming is successful when carbon gains
>> resulting from enhanced land management and/or conservation
>> practices exceed carbon losses.
>
> What's that carbon worth per acre on the open market?
>

In Iowa carbon rich black dirt goes for about $10000/acre
more than carbon poor tan dirt. So for a 1000 acre farm -
about 10 million dollars

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#585149

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-06-16 16:23 +0000
Message-ID<hc0b3d-4ao.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#585119
cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>> nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 5:53:23 AM UTC-7, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>>>>> Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
>>>>>> June 10, 2016
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2016/06/scientists-turn-carbon-dioxide.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Turning carbon emissions to stone is even dumber
>>>>> than doing nothing at all. And doing nothing is
>>>>> pretty stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> The real problem is not that man has put too much
>>>>> carbon into the atmosphere. The problem is man's
>>>>> agriculture production model has destroyed too
>>>>> much carbon from the world's soils.
>>>>
>>>>     Do you even know how photosynthesis works?
>>>
>>>   http://modernfarmer.com/2016/03/carbon-farming/
>>> All agricultural production originates from the process of
>>> plant photosynthesis, which uses sunshine to combine carbon
>>> dioxide (CO2) from the air with water and minerals from the
>>> soil to produce plant material, both above and below ground.
>>>
>>> Common agricultural practices, including driving a tractor, tilling
>>> the soil and grazing, result in the return of CO2 to the air.  As
>>>   much as one third of the surplus CO2 in the atmosphere driving
>>> climate change today has come from land management practices that
>>> cause loss of carbon, as CO2, from our working lands.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, carbon can be stored long-term (decades to
>>> centuries or more) in soils in a process called "soil carbon
>>> sequestration." Carbon Farming involves implementing practices
>>> that are known to improve the rate at which CO2 is removed from
>>> the atmosphere and converted to plant material and/or soil
>>> organic matter.  Carbon Farming is successful when carbon gains
>>> resulting from enhanced land management and/or conservation
>>> practices exceed carbon losses.
>>
>> What's that carbon worth per acre on the open market?
>>
> 
> In Iowa carbon rich black dirt goes for about $10000/acre
> more than carbon poor tan dirt. So for a 1000 acre farm -
> about 10 million dollars
> 

Humus, which is what is responsible for black dirt, is far more than carbon.


-- 
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#585162

Fromjim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net">
Date2016-06-16 13:53 -0500
Message-ID<njuska$8o1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#585149
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>> nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 5:53:23 AM UTC-7, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>>>>>> Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> June 10, 2016
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2016/06/scientists-turn-carbon-dioxide.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Turning carbon emissions to stone is even dumber
>>>>>> than doing nothing at all. And doing nothing is
>>>>>> pretty stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The real problem is not that man has put too much
>>>>>> carbon into the atmosphere. The problem is man's
>>>>>> agriculture production model has destroyed too
>>>>>> much carbon from the world's soils.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Do you even know how photosynthesis works?
>>>>
>>>>    http://modernfarmer.com/2016/03/carbon-farming/
>>>> All agricultural production originates from the process of
>>>> plant photosynthesis, which uses sunshine to combine carbon
>>>> dioxide (CO2) from the air with water and minerals from the
>>>> soil to produce plant material, both above and below ground.
>>>>
>>>> Common agricultural practices, including driving a tractor, tilling
>>>> the soil and grazing, result in the return of CO2 to the air.  As
>>>>    much as one third of the surplus CO2 in the atmosphere driving
>>>> climate change today has come from land management practices that
>>>> cause loss of carbon, as CO2, from our working lands.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, carbon can be stored long-term (decades to
>>>> centuries or more) in soils in a process called "soil carbon
>>>> sequestration." Carbon Farming involves implementing practices
>>>> that are known to improve the rate at which CO2 is removed from
>>>> the atmosphere and converted to plant material and/or soil
>>>> organic matter.  Carbon Farming is successful when carbon gains
>>>> resulting from enhanced land management and/or conservation
>>>> practices exceed carbon losses.
>>>
>>> What's that carbon worth per acre on the open market?
>>>
>>
>> In Iowa carbon rich black dirt goes for about $10000/acre
>> more than carbon poor tan dirt. So for a 1000 acre farm -
>> about 10 million dollars
>>
>
> Humus, which is what is responsible for black dirt, is far more than carbon.
>

Without carbon it is nothing

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#585192

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-06-16 20:58 +0000
Message-ID<aggb3d-qvp.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#585162
jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 5:53:23 AM UTC-7, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>>>>>>> Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> June 10, 2016
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2016/06/scientists-turn-carbon-dioxide.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Turning carbon emissions to stone is even dumber
>>>>>>> than doing nothing at all. And doing nothing is
>>>>>>> pretty stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The real problem is not that man has put too much
>>>>>>> carbon into the atmosphere. The problem is man's
>>>>>>> agriculture production model has destroyed too
>>>>>>> much carbon from the world's soils.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Do you even know how photosynthesis works?
>>>>>
>>>>>    http://modernfarmer.com/2016/03/carbon-farming/
>>>>> All agricultural production originates from the process of
>>>>> plant photosynthesis, which uses sunshine to combine carbon
>>>>> dioxide (CO2) from the air with water and minerals from the
>>>>> soil to produce plant material, both above and below ground.
>>>>>
>>>>> Common agricultural practices, including driving a tractor, tilling
>>>>> the soil and grazing, result in the return of CO2 to the air.  As
>>>>>    much as one third of the surplus CO2 in the atmosphere driving
>>>>> climate change today has come from land management practices that
>>>>> cause loss of carbon, as CO2, from our working lands.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, carbon can be stored long-term (decades to
>>>>> centuries or more) in soils in a process called "soil carbon
>>>>> sequestration." Carbon Farming involves implementing practices
>>>>> that are known to improve the rate at which CO2 is removed from
>>>>> the atmosphere and converted to plant material and/or soil
>>>>> organic matter.  Carbon Farming is successful when carbon gains
>>>>> resulting from enhanced land management and/or conservation
>>>>> practices exceed carbon losses.
>>>>
>>>> What's that carbon worth per acre on the open market?
>>>>
>>>
>>> In Iowa carbon rich black dirt goes for about $10000/acre
>>> more than carbon poor tan dirt. So for a 1000 acre farm -
>>> about 10 million dollars
>>>
>>
>> Humus, which is what is responsible for black dirt, is far more than carbon.
>>
> 
> Without carbon it is nothing

And oxygen and hydrogen and nitrogen and phosphorous and... 



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#585203

Fromjim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net">
Date2016-06-16 17:10 -0500
Message-ID<njv856$nka$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#585192
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 5:53:23 AM UTC-7, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> June 10, 2016
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2016/06/scientists-turn-carbon-dioxide.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Turning carbon emissions to stone is even dumber
>>>>>>>> than doing nothing at all. And doing nothing is
>>>>>>>> pretty stupid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The real problem is not that man has put too much
>>>>>>>> carbon into the atmosphere. The problem is man's
>>>>>>>> agriculture production model has destroyed too
>>>>>>>> much carbon from the world's soils.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Do you even know how photosynthesis works?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     http://modernfarmer.com/2016/03/carbon-farming/
>>>>>> All agricultural production originates from the process of
>>>>>> plant photosynthesis, which uses sunshine to combine carbon
>>>>>> dioxide (CO2) from the air with water and minerals from the
>>>>>> soil to produce plant material, both above and below ground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Common agricultural practices, including driving a tractor, tilling
>>>>>> the soil and grazing, result in the return of CO2 to the air.  As
>>>>>>     much as one third of the surplus CO2 in the atmosphere driving
>>>>>> climate change today has come from land management practices that
>>>>>> cause loss of carbon, as CO2, from our working lands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, carbon can be stored long-term (decades to
>>>>>> centuries or more) in soils in a process called "soil carbon
>>>>>> sequestration." Carbon Farming involves implementing practices
>>>>>> that are known to improve the rate at which CO2 is removed from
>>>>>> the atmosphere and converted to plant material and/or soil
>>>>>> organic matter.  Carbon Farming is successful when carbon gains
>>>>>> resulting from enhanced land management and/or conservation
>>>>>> practices exceed carbon losses.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's that carbon worth per acre on the open market?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In Iowa carbon rich black dirt goes for about $10000/acre
>>>> more than carbon poor tan dirt. So for a 1000 acre farm -
>>>> about 10 million dollars
>>>>
>>>
>>> Humus, which is what is responsible for black dirt, is far more than carbon.
>>>
>>
>> Without carbon it is nothing
>
> And oxygen and hydrogen and nitrogen and phosphorous and...
>

Humus is About 60% carbon. And it is not created by
plowing under tomato plants. That results in loss of
humus.

Humus is high molecular weight polymers that
are created by organisms that work in conjunction
with plant roots.

The purpose of the techniques shown in the Gabe Brown
video are to keep the humus creating organisms alive
and healthy. Many conventional ag practices destroy
these organisms and thus end up depleting soil carbon.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfTZ0rnowcc&feature=youtu.be


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#585209

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-06-16 22:35 +0000
Message-ID<p6mb3d-4iq.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#585203
jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> cowbird <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 5:53:23 AM UTC-7, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Scientists Turn Carbon Dioxide Emissions into Stone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>> June 10, 2016
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2016/06/scientists-turn-carbon-dioxide.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Turning carbon emissions to stone is even dumber
>>>>>>>>> than doing nothing at all. And doing nothing is
>>>>>>>>> pretty stupid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The real problem is not that man has put too much
>>>>>>>>> carbon into the atmosphere. The problem is man's
>>>>>>>>> agriculture production model has destroyed too
>>>>>>>>> much carbon from the world's soils.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Do you even know how photosynthesis works?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     http://modernfarmer.com/2016/03/carbon-farming/
>>>>>>> All agricultural production originates from the process of
>>>>>>> plant photosynthesis, which uses sunshine to combine carbon
>>>>>>> dioxide (CO2) from the air with water and minerals from the
>>>>>>> soil to produce plant material, both above and below ground.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Common agricultural practices, including driving a tractor, tilling
>>>>>>> the soil and grazing, result in the return of CO2 to the air.  As
>>>>>>>     much as one third of the surplus CO2 in the atmosphere driving
>>>>>>> climate change today has come from land management practices that
>>>>>>> cause loss of carbon, as CO2, from our working lands.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, carbon can be stored long-term (decades to
>>>>>>> centuries or more) in soils in a process called "soil carbon
>>>>>>> sequestration." Carbon Farming involves implementing practices
>>>>>>> that are known to improve the rate at which CO2 is removed from
>>>>>>> the atmosphere and converted to plant material and/or soil
>>>>>>> organic matter.  Carbon Farming is successful when carbon gains
>>>>>>> resulting from enhanced land management and/or conservation
>>>>>>> practices exceed carbon losses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's that carbon worth per acre on the open market?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In Iowa carbon rich black dirt goes for about $10000/acre
>>>>> more than carbon poor tan dirt. So for a 1000 acre farm -
>>>>> about 10 million dollars
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Humus, which is what is responsible for black dirt, is far more than carbon.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Without carbon it is nothing
>>
>> And oxygen and hydrogen and nitrogen and phosphorous and...
>>
> 
> Humus is About 60% carbon. And it is not created by
> plowing under tomato plants. That results in loss of
> humus.

Are the tractor drivers stealing it?

Humus comes from decayed plant matter; it doesn't bubble up from within
the Earth.

Plowing non-harvested plant matter back into the ground provides more
stuff to form humus, though you are always losing some stuff to the
parts of the plants that are harvasted and taken away.


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#585228

Fromjim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net">
Date2016-06-16 19:28 -0500
Message-ID<njvg6m$e35$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#585209
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Humus comes from decayed plant matter;

No actually that's wrong
Mostly the feedstock for humus is carbohydrates
exuded from plant roots. That is CO2 the feedstock
for the carbohydrates and the carbohydrates
feed the organisms that create humus. No
decayed plant matter needs to be involved.

Decayed plant natter is not humus. Humus
is stable and will last for decades while
the carbon in decayed plants quickly decomposes
back to CO2
>
> Plowing non-harvested plant matter back into the ground provides more
> stuff to form humus,

If you are stupid you believe that and then
end up with less humus than you started with.


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#585231

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-06-17 00:50 +0000
Message-ID<u2ub3d-6cr.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#585228
jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Humus comes from decayed plant matter;
> 
> No actually that's wrong

Not according to the article on wiki.


-- 
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#585277

Fromjim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net">
Date2016-06-17 08:32 -0500
Message-ID<nk0u5r$fse$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#585231
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Humus comes from decayed plant matter;
>>
>> No actually that's wrong
>
> Not according to the article on wiki.

I didn't say humus can't be made from dead
plants. Anything that can be decomposed into
suitable feedstock for the organisms can
feed the humification process but that is not
how the many Gigatons of of humus were
created that have been destroyed by doing
stupid things like plowing under tomato plants.

Humus mostly isn't made from dead plants.
That's not how most of the existing humus
was created by nature. And if humus is
going to be restored it won't come from
plowing under dead plants because that doesn't
work.

To find out what does work you have to look
at the difference between farmers that are
increasing their soil carbon and farmers
that are doing the opposite.

https://youtu.be/mUes6EPadZg?list=PLWlltQ6Oy0zqoB25RkSUkCx9XSTemrMwm




	

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#585292

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-06-17 16:23 +0000
Message-ID<lpkd3d-0t3.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#585277
jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> jim <""sjedgingN0Sp\"@m@mwt.net"> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> Humus comes from decayed plant matter;
>>>
>>> No actually that's wrong
>>
>> Not according to the article on wiki.
> 
> I didn't say humus can't be made from dead
> plants.

Good because that would be stupic.

<snip>

> Humus mostly isn't made from dead plants.

Dead plants, dead animals and animal shit are the only choices.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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