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  The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 11:32 -0600
    Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Lawrence Senreich <lawest@galaxyredeems.org> - 2016-01-22 17:59 +0000
      Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-22 12:43 -0600
    The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 10:46 -0800
      Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-23 12:48 +1100
        Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-23 02:20 +0000
          Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-24 12:39 +1100
            Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-24 02:12 +0000
              Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 02:18 -0500
            Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-24 03:20 +0000
              Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 19:50 -0800
                Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim GogoJF <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-23 20:00 -0800
              Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-24 15:06 +1100
                Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-24 05:18 +0000
            Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 23:00 -0800
            Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 23:00 -0800
              Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 02:19 -0500
            Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 12:11 -0800
              Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-01-24 12:29 -0800
      Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 02:17 -0500
      Re: Is is alive ? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 10:33 -0500
      Re: Is is alive ? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-24 12:41 +1100
      Is is alive ? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-01-23 22:46 -0800
    Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-22 18:53 +0000
      Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 10:22 -0600
        Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-23 19:21 +0000
          Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-24 12:46 +1100
            Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-24 02:17 +0000
              Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-24 15:04 +1100
                Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-24 06:16 +0000
            Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 02:13 -0500
              Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2016-01-25 06:33 -0500
                Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 10:53 -0600
    Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 12:11 -0800
      Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-22 20:26 +0000
      Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 16:13 -0800
        Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-01-22 17:15 -0800
        Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-23 02:21 +0000
          Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 15:40 -0800
            Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-24 01:43 +0000
        Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-24 15:07 +1100
      Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-23 02:30 -0500
    Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-01-23 14:08 -0800
      Re: The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 02:08 -0500

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#547228 — The aliens are silent because they're dead Jim

The aliens are silent because they're dead
> http://phys.org/news/2016-01-aliens-silent-theyre-dead.html
> http://cdn.phys.org/newman/csz/news/800/2016/thealiensare.jpg


> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct very
> quickly, say astrobiologists from The Australian National University
> (ANU).
>
> In research aiming to understand how life might develop, the
> scientists realised new life would commonly die out due to *runaway*
> *heating or cooling* on their fledgling planets.
>
> "The universe is probably filled with habitable planets, so many
> scientists think it should be teeming with aliens," said Dr Aditya
> Chopra from the ANU Research School of Earth Sciences and lead author
> on the paper, which is published in Astrobiology.
>




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#547232

Sam Wormley wrote:

>> In research aiming to understand how life might develop, the scientists
>> realised new life would commonly die out due to *runaway*
>> *heating or cooling* on their fledgling planets.

Just shut up with this bullshit, stoopid!

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#547245

On 1/22/2016 11:59 AM, Lawrence Senreich wrote:
> Sam Wormley wrote:
>
>>> In research aiming to understand how life might develop, the scientists
>>> realised new life would commonly die out due to *runaway*
>>> *heating or cooling* on their fledgling planets.
>
> Just shut up with this bullshit, stoopid!
>

really !

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#547248

> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct very 
> quickly, say astrobiologists from The Australian National University 
> (ANU). 
----------

A fairly stupid supposition.

First they don't define 'brief'.
Life on earth has existed for a brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events. 

Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice, life persists, adapts and evolves.

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#547377

On 23/01/2016 5:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
>
>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct
>> very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Australian National
>> University (ANU).
> ----------
>
> A fairly stupid supposition.
>
> First they don't define 'brief'. Life on earth has existed for a
> brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even
> flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
>
> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the
> earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice,
> life persists, adapts and evolves.
>

The anthropic principle applies. The fact that life survived may have 
been an extraordinary fluke. We have no way of knowing.

Sylvia.

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#547383

Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> On 23/01/2016 5:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>
>>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct
>>> very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Australian National
>>> University (ANU).
>> ----------
>>
>> A fairly stupid supposition.
>>
>> First they don't define 'brief'. Life on earth has existed for a
>> brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even
>> flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
>>
>> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the
>> earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice,
>> life persists, adapts and evolves.
>>
> 
> The anthropic principle applies. The fact that life survived may have 
> been an extraordinary fluke. We have no way of knowing.
> 
> Sylvia.

Which means we also don't know if a universe filled with life is normal.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#547688

On 23/01/2016 1:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>> On 23/01/2016 5:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>>
>>>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct
>>>> very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Australian National
>>>> University (ANU).
>>> ----------
>>>
>>> A fairly stupid supposition.
>>>
>>> First they don't define 'brief'. Life on earth has existed for a
>>> brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even
>>> flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
>>>
>>> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the
>>> earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice,
>>> life persists, adapts and evolves.
>>>
>>
>> The anthropic principle applies. The fact that life survived may have
>> been an extraordinary fluke. We have no way of knowing.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Which means we also don't know if a universe filled with life is normal.
>
>

No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's 
possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe 
where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life.

Finding life elsewhere - such as on Europa - would change that, 
particularly if it's clearly a different kind of life (nothing 
resembling DNA for example).

As for intelligent life - our appearance on Earth was the result of a 
sequence of freak events, and the final push to our current level of 
intelligence arose from a drought in Africa that nearly wiped us out, 
and could easily have actually done so. So even if life turns out to be 
common, it could still be that intelligent life is very rare indeed.

Sylvia.

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#547698

Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> On 23/01/2016 1:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>> On 23/01/2016 5:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct
>>>>> very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Australian National
>>>>> University (ANU).
>>>> ----------
>>>>
>>>> A fairly stupid supposition.
>>>>
>>>> First they don't define 'brief'. Life on earth has existed for a
>>>> brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even
>>>> flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
>>>>
>>>> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the
>>>> earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice,
>>>> life persists, adapts and evolves.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The anthropic principle applies. The fact that life survived may have
>>> been an extraordinary fluke. We have no way of knowing.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> Which means we also don't know if a universe filled with life is normal.
>>
>>
> 
> No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's 
> possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe 
> where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life.
> 
> Finding life elsewhere - such as on Europa - would change that, 
> particularly if it's clearly a different kind of life (nothing 
> resembling DNA for example).
> 
> As for intelligent life - our appearance on Earth was the result of a 
> sequence of freak events, and the final push to our current level of 
> intelligence arose from a drought in Africa that nearly wiped us out, 
> and could easily have actually done so. So even if life turns out to be 
> common, it could still be that intelligent life is very rare indeed.
> 
> Sylvia.

Or the universe could be teeming with intelligent life; it is all
speculation.

Finding a different kind of life would be interesting to say the
least, though I doubt the Horta exist.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#547734

On 01/23/2016 09:12 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>> On 23/01/2016 1:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>>> On 23/01/2016 5:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct
>>>>>> very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Australian National
>>>>>> University (ANU).
>>>>> ----------
>>>>>
>>>>> A fairly stupid supposition.
>>>>>
>>>>> First they don't define 'brief'. Life on earth has existed for a
>>>>> brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even
>>>>> flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the
>>>>> earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice,
>>>>> life persists, adapts and evolves.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The anthropic principle applies. The fact that life survived may have
>>>> been an extraordinary fluke. We have no way of knowing.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Which means we also don't know if a universe filled with life is normal.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's
>> possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe
>> where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life.
>>
>> Finding life elsewhere - such as on Europa - would change that,
>> particularly if it's clearly a different kind of life (nothing
>> resembling DNA for example).
>>
>> As for intelligent life - our appearance on Earth was the result of a
>> sequence of freak events, and the final push to our current level of
>> intelligence arose from a drought in Africa that nearly wiped us out,
>> and could easily have actually done so. So even if life turns out to be
>> common, it could still be that intelligent life is very rare indeed.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Or the universe could be teeming with intelligent life; it is all
> speculation.
>
> Finding a different kind of life would be interesting to say the
> least, though I doubt the Horta exist.

We are not as ignorant as "Sylvia" implies. The probabilities given the 
enormous number of stars and planets make alien life as least as likely 
as Quantum Mechancics being true.

OF course, mankind always like to think of everybody else as the same as 
ourselves. Basically we lack imagination that the universe does not 
lack. So yeah, what that life may manifest as is a big open question.

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#547708

Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> On 23/01/2016 1:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>> On 23/01/2016 5:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>>>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct
>>>>> very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Austroyan National
>>>>> University (ANU).
>>>> ----------
>>>> A fairly stupid supposition.
>>>> First they don't define 'brief'. Life on earth has existed for a
>>>> brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even
>>>> flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
>>>> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the
>>>> earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice,
>>>> life persists, adapts and evolves.
>>> The anthropic principle applies. The fact that life survived may have
>>> been an extraordinary fluke. We have no way of knowing.
>>> Sylvia.
>> Which means we also don't know if a universe filled with life is normal.
> No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's 
> possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe 
> where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life.
> Finding life elsewhere - such as on Europa - would change that, 
> particularly if it's clearly a different kind of life (nothing 
> resembling DNA for example).
> As for intelligent life - our appearance on Earth was the result of a 
> sequence of freak events, and the final push to our current level of 
> intelligence arose from a drought in Africa that nearly wiped us out, 
> and could easily have actually done so. So even if life turns out to be 
> common, it could still be that intelligent life is very rare indeed.
> Sylvia.


Well this may be part of the problem right here.
There are many forms of intelligent life on earth.
To some extent even single-celled creatures exhibit a form on
intellect.
Even simple artefacts can apparently exhibit intelligent
behvaiour if the glossy ads are to be beleived.

So I think the human backstory may be one of drought and
deprivation that resulted in higher levels of cooperation perhaps
than other species and hence language and the propensity to
produce and consume and hoard more than we can use (a "famine reflex").

But  the question then is is there life enough like us that
it's of any interest. Sure, there's the possibility it's so
alien we don't recognize it as alive. But there's also the
idea that it's too damn obstinante and crazy to bother with.

Personally, I doubt if there are any advanced interesting aliens running
around the galaxy. Judging by the trends in labor saving devices
in the various attempts at civilization here they would have
most likely taken the easy route to self gratification and been
living for the last 10 bn years in an immortal virtual reality so doing.

It's just any any autonomous tech they developed prior to bugging
out to a "higher plane" I worry about. After millions or billions of y
the prime directive could be now almost anything --  sane or insane.

Think automatic toaster, *way* out of warranty, that's developed
a viral reproductive cycle and a penchant for eating earth-sized planets.


--
[W]ith regard to global temperature, 2015 is not an "El Ni?o year". 2016 
will be the El Ni?o year that you should compare to 1998, 2010, etc.
-- Urs Neu, #25, 22 Jan 2016
-- <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/2015-temperatures/#
more-19030>

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#547710

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 9:33:36 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> > On 23/01/2016 1:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> >>> On 23/01/2016 5:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
> >>>>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct
> >>>>> very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Austroyan National
> >>>>> University (ANU).
> >>>> ----------
> >>>> A fairly stupid supposition.
> >>>> First they don't define 'brief'. Life on earth has existed for a
> >>>> brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even
> >>>> flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
> >>>> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the
> >>>> earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice,
> >>>> life persists, adapts and evolves.
> >>> The anthropic principle applies. The fact that life survived may have
> >>> been an extraordinary fluke. We have no way of knowing.
> >>> Sylvia.
> >> Which means we also don't know if a universe filled with life is normal.
> > No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's 
> > possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe 
> > where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life.
> > Finding life elsewhere - such as on Europa - would change that, 
> > particularly if it's clearly a different kind of life (nothing 
> > resembling DNA for example).
> > As for intelligent life - our appearance on Earth was the result of a 
> > sequence of freak events, and the final push to our current level of 
> > intelligence arose from a drought in Africa that nearly wiped us out, 
> > and could easily have actually done so. So even if life turns out to be 
> > common, it could still be that intelligent life is very rare indeed.
> > Sylvia.
> 
> 
> Well this may be part of the problem right here.
> There are many forms of intelligent life on earth.
> To some extent even single-celled creatures exhibit a form on
> intellect.
> Even simple artefacts can apparently exhibit intelligent
> behvaiour if the glossy ads are to be beleived.
> 
> So I think the human backstory may be one of drought and
> deprivation that resulted in higher levels of cooperation perhaps
> than other species and hence language and the propensity to
> produce and consume and hoard more than we can use (a "famine reflex").
> 
> But  the question then is is there life enough like us that
> it's of any interest. Sure, there's the possibility it's so
> alien we don't recognize it as alive. But there's also the
> idea that it's too damn obstinante and crazy to bother with.
> 
> Personally, I doubt if there are any advanced interesting aliens running
> around the galaxy. Judging by the trends in labor saving devices
> in the various attempts at civilization here they would have
> most likely taken the easy route to self gratification and been
> living for the last 10 bn years in an immortal virtual reality so doing.
> 
> It's just any any autonomous tech they developed prior to bugging
> out to a "higher plane" I worry about. After millions or billions of y
> the prime directive could be now almost anything --  sane or insane.
> 
> Think automatic toaster, *way* out of warranty, that's developed
> a viral reproductive cycle and a penchant for eating earth-sized planets.
> 
> 
> --
> [W]ith regard to global temperature, 2015 is not an "El Ni?o year". 2016 
> will be the El Ni?o year that you should compare to 1998, 2010, etc.
> -- Urs Neu, #25, 22 Jan 2016
> -- <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/2015-temperatures/#
> more-19030>

Yes, I recently was watchin a nature show in which the scientist described a squid as "having the intelligence of a four-year-old".  These types of statements always strike me with wonder- because I do realize that a squid is probably "perfect" according to what a squid is. This seems to me a form of anthropomorphizing- why this rule is very important stop sign for scientists to attempt to measure another living, evolved, and in the species own right, perfect.

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#547711

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 9:50:28 PM UTC-6, GogoJF wrote:
> On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 9:33:36 PM UTC-6, Kym Horsell wrote:
> > Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> > > On 23/01/2016 1:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > >> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> > >>> On 23/01/2016 5:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
> > >>>>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct
> > >>>>> very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Austroyan National
> > >>>>> University (ANU).
> > >>>> ----------
> > >>>> A fairly stupid supposition.
> > >>>> First they don't define 'brief'. Life on earth has existed for a
> > >>>> brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even
> > >>>> flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
> > >>>> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the
> > >>>> earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice,
> > >>>> life persists, adapts and evolves.
> > >>> The anthropic principle applies. The fact that life survived may have
> > >>> been an extraordinary fluke. We have no way of knowing.
> > >>> Sylvia.
> > >> Which means we also don't know if a universe filled with life is normal.
> > > No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's 
> > > possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe 
> > > where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life.
> > > Finding life elsewhere - such as on Europa - would change that, 
> > > particularly if it's clearly a different kind of life (nothing 
> > > resembling DNA for example).
> > > As for intelligent life - our appearance on Earth was the result of a 
> > > sequence of freak events, and the final push to our current level of 
> > > intelligence arose from a drought in Africa that nearly wiped us out, 
> > > and could easily have actually done so. So even if life turns out to be 
> > > common, it could still be that intelligent life is very rare indeed.
> > > Sylvia.
> > 
> > 
> > Well this may be part of the problem right here.
> > There are many forms of intelligent life on earth.
> > To some extent even single-celled creatures exhibit a form on
> > intellect.
> > Even simple artefacts can apparently exhibit intelligent
> > behvaiour if the glossy ads are to be beleived.
> > 
> > So I think the human backstory may be one of drought and
> > deprivation that resulted in higher levels of cooperation perhaps
> > than other species and hence language and the propensity to
> > produce and consume and hoard more than we can use (a "famine reflex").
> > 
> > But  the question then is is there life enough like us that
> > it's of any interest. Sure, there's the possibility it's so
> > alien we don't recognize it as alive. But there's also the
> > idea that it's too damn obstinante and crazy to bother with.
> > 
> > Personally, I doubt if there are any advanced interesting aliens running
> > around the galaxy. Judging by the trends in labor saving devices
> > in the various attempts at civilization here they would have
> > most likely taken the easy route to self gratification and been
> > living for the last 10 bn years in an immortal virtual reality so doing.
> > 
> > It's just any any autonomous tech they developed prior to bugging
> > out to a "higher plane" I worry about. After millions or billions of y
> > the prime directive could be now almost anything --  sane or insane.
> > 
> > Think automatic toaster, *way* out of warranty, that's developed
> > a viral reproductive cycle and a penchant for eating earth-sized planets.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > [W]ith regard to global temperature, 2015 is not an "El Ni?o year". 2016 
> > will be the El Ni?o year that you should compare to 1998, 2010, etc.
> > -- Urs Neu, #25, 22 Jan 2016
> > -- <http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/01/2015-temperatures/#
> > more-19030>
> 
> Yes, I recently was watchin a nature show in which the scientist described a squid as "having the intelligence of a four-year-old".  These types of statements always strike me with wonder- because I do realize that a squid is probably "perfect" according to what a squid is. This seems to me a form of anthropomorphizing- why this rule is very important stop sign for scientists to attempt to measure another living, evolved, and in the species own right, perfect.

If man is the smartest-then it should know that all other life forms have a profound meaning in their existence, just like us.

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#547713

On 24/01/2016 2:20 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>> On 23/01/2016 1:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
>>>> On 23/01/2016 5:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
>>>>>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct
>>>>>> very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Austroyan National
>>>>>> University (ANU).
>>>>> ----------
>>>>> A fairly stupid supposition.
>>>>> First they don't define 'brief'. Life on earth has existed for a
>>>>> brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even
>>>>> flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
>>>>> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the
>>>>> earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice,
>>>>> life persists, adapts and evolves.
>>>> The anthropic principle applies. The fact that life survived may have
>>>> been an extraordinary fluke. We have no way of knowing.
>>>> Sylvia.
>>> Which means we also don't know if a universe filled with life is normal.
>> No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's
>> possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe
>> where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life.
>> Finding life elsewhere - such as on Europa - would change that,
>> particularly if it's clearly a different kind of life (nothing
>> resembling DNA for example).
>> As for intelligent life - our appearance on Earth was the result of a
>> sequence of freak events, and the final push to our current level of
>> intelligence arose from a drought in Africa that nearly wiped us out,
>> and could easily have actually done so. So even if life turns out to be
>> common, it could still be that intelligent life is very rare indeed.
>> Sylvia.
>
>
> Well this may be part of the problem right here.
> There are many forms of intelligent life on earth.
> To some extent even single-celled creatures exhibit a form on
> intellect.
> Even simple artefacts can apparently exhibit intelligent
> behvaiour if the glossy ads are to be beleived.

It's not helpful to seek to redefine words. We have a general sense of 
what we mean by intelligent life, and it doesn't include any of the 
single celled life on Earth.

Sylvia.

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#547719

Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
...
>> Even simple artefacts can apparently exhibit intelligent
>> behvaiour if the glossy ads are to be beleived.
> It's not helpful to seek to redefine words. We have a general sense of 
> what we mean by intelligent life, and it doesn't include any of the 
> single celled life on Earth.
> Sylvia.

Oh, sure. The species with the gold defines the terminology; I get it. 

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#547727

No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's 
possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe 
where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life. 
--------------

And as Arthur Clarke said, "either possibility is frightening,"

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#547728

No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's 
possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe 
where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life. 
--------------

And as Arthur Clarke said, "either possibility is frightening,"

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#547735

On 01/24/2016 02:00 AM, HVAC wrote:
>
> No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's
> possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe
> where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life.
> --------------
>
> And as Arthur Clarke said, "either possibility is frightening,"
>
Heard you the first time!

AI softeare glich? glich?

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#547815

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 5:40:05 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 23/01/2016 1:20 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> >> On 23/01/2016 5:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct
> >>>> very quickly, say astrobiologists from The Australian National
> >>>> University (ANU).
> >>> ----------
> >>>
> >>> A fairly stupid supposition.
> >>>
> >>> First they don't define 'brief'. Life on earth has existed for a
> >>> brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even
> >>> flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
> >>>
> >>> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the
> >>> earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice,
> >>> life persists, adapts and evolves.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The anthropic principle applies. The fact that life survived may have
> >> been an extraordinary fluke. We have no way of knowing.
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> >
> > Which means we also don't know if a universe filled with life is normal.
> >
> >
> 
> No. The only thing we know about life's probability is that it's 
> possible. The Earth might be the only place in the observable universe 
> where there's life at all. Or the universe could be teeming with life.
> 
> Finding life elsewhere - such as on Europa - would change that, 
> particularly if it's clearly a different kind of life (nothing 
> resembling DNA for example).
> 
> As for intelligent life - our appearance on Earth was the result of a 
> sequence of freak events, and the final push to our current level of 
> intelligence arose from a drought in Africa that nearly wiped us out, 
> and could easily have actually done so. So even if life turns out to be 
> common, it could still be that intelligent life is very rare indeed.
> 
> Sylvia.

The Earth is a microbe planet.It is the reason for higher life.It keeps higher life alive. Microbes out weigh all types of life combined. There are 30 trillion cells to make a person.There are 90 trillion microbes. I have posted this many times.Reason its fascinating Trebert

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#547819

<herbertglazier0@gmail.com> "reber g=emc^2" Swine Glazier wrote:
 <Snip Glazierola> I have posted this many times, given that  

<herbertglazier0@gmail.com>  :B::ert Glazier, the
hate-mongering Swine, introduces himself with/as
>
:B:: "I am a proud Jew with a Superiority complex &
:B:: an IQ of 122", & "I do know how everything works,.."
:B:: "My Grandfathers had tails". -- Trebert
:B:: "Being Jewish I know this is so very true" -- Bert.
:B:: "I'm a non-bible(torra) Jew. I'm the only Jew that
:B:: got 2 form letters from two Popes". Bert
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
 >
:B:: "I'll be sitting on Benj's, Saul Levi's & HVAC's face
:B:: to take a shit & say: "Open your mouth wide".
:B:: "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And laugh".
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "I'm M&M's Clueless Fuck-faced turd".Bert.
:B:: I'm "Siegman Fraud", "Bert, the Bowel Movement".
:B:: "I gave G=EMC^2 (wrong & stolen) to the world"
:B:: "Israel will drop its first H-bomb 'David' ". TreBert
:B:: __"I'm glad when war breaks out"__ Bert
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
 >
:B:: "Even the FBI has me as a trouble maker and
:B:: the FBI blocks my phone from calling them. "....
:B:: cuz "I was mixing sulfur, carbon & iron together
:B:: to make gun powder" ... & "while I was in custody
:B:: of Osceola Sheriff Bob Hansel, for thieving, his
:B:: deputies beat the shit out of me. So I bought a
:B:: 357 magnum for death threats by Sheriff Bob.
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
 >
about which ....
Moderator General "HVAC" <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> aka
"Richard A." aka Harlow Campbell wrote:
>
"Bert, Seriously. You are the stupidest cocksucking
moron who ever came down the Mass Pike.
"Bert, you really are a pathetic excuse for a human
fucking being". "Bert is a racist. (And he's stupid too)"
"TreBert, you are one stupid cocksucker".
"Bert, does your stupidity know no bounds?"
"Bert, are the stupidest cocksucker on the planet."
"Spin THIS, Glazier, you fucking idiot." "Bert get
some spelling lessons, you feeble-minded fuck".
"Bert, your opinion doesn't count"
"Bert you are an idiot."
"Bert, you are a clueless cocksucker .... and "Bert
you are senile, dazed & confused. Fucked in the head.
"a trained cockroach is smarter than Bert"
"Bert, you should be arrested"
"Bert, I will call the police and tell them that your
van seems to be a center for drug activity in the
Wal-Mart parking lot".... .... about which....
 >
Glazier's ex-tutor Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
Glazier, your brain is entangles with a used garbage can.
Glazier, "Its a shame" that your science is far worse
than the man's on the street.
Glazier, your postings are old man's garbage.
reber, take your you know it all thinking to your grave .
reber, your horseshit gets old.Say hi to Allah for me.
reber, you don't believe in science.
Glazier, do not post in a science newsgroup.
Glazier, quit posting __ your Gutter Science__.
Glazier, exit USENET. -- IOW Glazier, beat it!..
 >
Jim Pennino jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
Glazier, you are a spamming piece of shit...
Your Cocaine usage explains a lot of your posts.
You are drunk again. Give up and kill yourself.
 >
Astrophysicist "Saul Levy" <saullevy1@cox.net> wrote:
GLAZIER YOU ARE A LAMEbrain PIECE OF SHIT!
Saul Levy
 >
Rocket Scientist Virdy "Mahipal" <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
Glazier, you are babbling desperately. Is it sympathy
or pity you're grasping for? Stop it, either way.
 >
benj" <nobody@gmail.com> wrote:
One only has to read Glazier's posts to see when Bert was lobotomized.
But Herb found poster "Double-A" who likes to be like Glazier,
but "Alkie-Alkie" is another kook who is as dumb as Bert is!
Now they party and frolic!...still waiting "to be loved by all"...
 >
hanson wrote:
So Glazier, given your Jewish Superiority complex and
your IQ of 122 and you knowing how how everything works,
... how come ended up shitting into a bucket in a 25 year
old van that you use as your residence on Wal-Mart's
Parking Lot? ..... .... What went wrong, Glazier?
 >
Now, Glazier consider "what will the say when Glazier dies?
Are they gonna say he was a kind man? He was a wise man?
He had plans? He has wisdom? .... BULLSHIT, MAN!"...
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAixFYnDh4> [D]
BULLSHIT,... because Swine Glazier DOES have plans
which Glazier, the Swine, announced and posted at the
ripe age of eighty (80) when Glazier became a criminal
Graveyard Vandal who wrote:
 >
(1)
On 25Mar2008 Swine Glazier wrote in:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/3ffe7b2257cf8a9a
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sci.physics/uYtpFTRnW4k/morPVyJ7_j8J
Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And have a good laugh
when it seeps down on your face. -- Bert.
 >
Glazier's geriatric decay worsened, along with Glazier's chronic
alcoholism and Glazier, the Olde Kacker, became a Coprophile
IOW Glazier became a filthy Face Shitter at his age of 86, which
Glazier proudly announced & posted...
 >
(2)
On 06Dec2014, when the Christian-Hater, Jew-Swine Glazier
said to "benj" <nobody@gmail.com>:
Reality is you always post under me for you are an ass kisser.
For Christmas I'll shit on your kisser.
Benj, you can thank me in advance. - TreBert. ... after which...
 >
Glazier, the Criminal Graveyard Vandal & Face Shitter got even
worse over the next year and at Glazier's age of 87, Glazier
widened his piggish Face-shitting habit, as seen when Glazier
threatened...
 >
(3)
On 07Feb 2015 & on 08Feb2015, as Swine Glazier wrote:
Harlow HVAC, Mr.HVAC@gmail.com, Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net
& Jacoby Benj, <nobody@gmail.com>: "I'll be sitting on your face
to take a shit & say: "Open wide". Trebert.
 >
(4)
The Criminal Swine Glazier refused to stop his practices & rejected
to be taken down, because Glazier at his age of 87+, Swine Glazier
labeled himself as "Siegman Fraud" which is synonym with "Bowel-
movement, actually saying that __ "Glazier is a piece of shit"__.
who, to boot, also announced that Glazier is a Transvestite who dons
female dresses and a Sarah Palin mask, saying that he has "nice
legs"...
 >
hanson wrote:
Now Glazier, since you are a curse and an embarrassment, day-in
and day-out, to every Jew everywhere, has it dawned on you
sorry, geriatric Transie-Swine, that as soon as you have been
"put away and under" Google will remove ALL YOUR posts from
the USENET and the only thing that will remain and show your
legacy, is because:
 >
Glazier the Swine fortunately posted:
.... "hanson made me famous"....
 >
hanson wrote
So, Glazier you swine you should be grateful to me & not wish
me ill like you did above, in your sick hate mongering, since
it is only because of hanson, that Web searches show for:
>
--- Swine Glazier G=EMC^2 Cretin ----            27'833 hits & rising
--- reber g=emc^2 Face-shitter & Vandal ----   27'953 hits & rising
>
cuz of hanson's caring and loving administering badly needed
<http://tinyurl.com/G-EMC2-Recall-Therapy> to the mental
cripple aka <http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier>. ... Shalom!

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#547417

On 01/22/2016 01:46 PM, HVAC wrote:
>
>> Life on other planets would likely be brief and become extinct very
>> quickly, say astrobiologists from The Australian National University
>> (ANU).
> ----------
>
> A fairly stupid supposition.
>
> First they don't define 'brief'.
> Life on earth has existed for a brief period too...a few billion years. It has survived and even flourished in the face of unrelenting extinction level events.
>
> Be it asteroids, massive seismic activity, lava flows over 25% of the earth's surface and the almost total covering of the earth in ice, life persists, adapts and evolves.
>
OH MY GOD!

HVAC is actually admitting the high probability of alien life in the 
universe!  We may have to fire him as "moderator".

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