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  Is Earth Actually Flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 16:52 -0600
    Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-12 17:00 -0600
    Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 23:32 +0000
      Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 00:30 +0000
        Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 01:10 +0000
          Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 01:38 +0000
            Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 01:52 +0000
          Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 18:14 -0800
            Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 03:47 +0000
              Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 04:03 +0000
                Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 00:14 -0500
              Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 00:20 -0500
                Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 06:15 +0000
                  Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 07:04 +0000
              Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 07:46 -0800
                Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 19:35 +0000
        Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 20:12 -0600
          Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 13:09 -0800
    Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 15:53 -0800
      Re: Is Earth Actually Flat? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 16:37 -0800

#532514 — Is Earth Actually Flat?

Is Earth Actually Flat?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs


Cool

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#532517

On 11/12/2015 4:52 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Is Earth Actually Flat?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs
>
>
> Cool
>
I have a simple question for those flat-earth fags: If Antarctica is 
just a ring circling the outside of the Earth, then what the f*ck is the 
south pole?

Say the earth is a balloon. Let all the air out of the bottom of the 
balloon and then stretch the opening of the balloon around a circular 
opening (IE. a cup). because North and South are only perceived through 
orientation, the North Pole can be considered the ring circling the 
outside of the Earth and the South pole is located in the center of the 
balloon (im not a flat earther just giving a possible explanation)

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#532548

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is Earth Actually Flat?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs
> 
> 
> Cool
> 

I thought we had settled that in 1492.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#532565

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:32:01 +0000, jimp wrote:

> 
> I thought we had settled that in 1492.
>

It was settled 2000 years earlier.

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#532582

Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:32:01 +0000, jimp wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I thought we had settled that in 1492.
>>
> 
> It was settled 2000 years earlier.
 
As usual, half assed correct.

It was suspected over 2000 years ago, and by the late 17th Century thought
so by most scientists of the time, but not proven until the voyages of
Columbus and Magellan.

 

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#532586

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 01:10:25 +0000, jimp wrote:

>  
> As usual, half assed correct.
> 

No, the Greeks proved it 2500 years ago.

You must have been asleep during that class.

But was it sleep, or precocious dementia?

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#532597

Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 01:10:25 +0000, jimp wrote:
> 
>>  
>> As usual, half assed correct.
>> 
> 
> No, the Greeks proved it 2500 years ago.

Nope; they supposed it.

There was no way to PROVE it 2500 years ago.

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#532604

On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 8:16:06 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:32:01 +0000, jimp wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> I thought we had settled that in 1492.
> >>
> > 
> > It was settled 2000 years earlier.
>  
> As usual, half assed correct.
> 
> It was suspected over 2000 years ago, and by the late 17th Century thought
> so by most scientists of the time, but not proven until the voyages of
> Columbus and Magellan.

It may have been suspected by some, but the Greeks pretty well knew it
more than 2500 years ago. They even computed the radius of Earth by
lengths of shadows at different locations, at the same time of
day. Their accuracy was very close to the 6378km radius of today.

More than likely, the Egyptians, Hindus, and Chinese also already knew
the Earth was round based on observing lunar eclipes (i.e., the ones
where Earth's shadow falls on the Moon). Perhaps they never even
questioned it, the Sun is round, the Moon is round. Besides, at
nights, those ancient people weren't tuned in and turned off watching
TV reruns. Hmmm... what am I going to brainwash myself with tonight?

> -- 
> Jim Pennino

-- Mahipal "IPMM... 7638, 6378, 3678, 8763, ... and so on..."

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#532640

Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 8:16:06 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:32:01 +0000, jimp wrote:
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> I thought we had settled that in 1492.
>> >>
>> > 
>> > It was settled 2000 years earlier.
>>  
>> As usual, half assed correct.
>> 
>> It was suspected over 2000 years ago, and by the late 17th Century thought
>> so by most scientists of the time, but not proven until the voyages of
>> Columbus and Magellan.
> 
> It may have been suspected by some, but the Greeks pretty well knew it
> more than 2500 years ago. They even computed the radius of Earth by
> lengths of shadows at different locations, at the same time of
> day. Their accuracy was very close to the 6378km radius of today.

Yes, but they could not prove it, nor did the theory gain much traction
around the world until about the 17th Century after the invention of
the telescope and people could see that the heavenly bodies were spheres
and not discs.

> More than likely, the Egyptians, Hindus, and Chinese also already knew
> the Earth was round based on observing lunar eclipes (i.e., the ones
> where Earth's shadow falls on the Moon). Perhaps they never even
> questioned it, the Sun is round, the Moon is round. Besides, at
> nights, those ancient people weren't tuned in and turned off watching
> TV reruns. Hmmm... what am I going to brainwash myself with tonight?

The ancient Indians and Egyptians thought the Earth a disc.

The Chinese thought the Earth was flat and square and the heavens round.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#532641

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 03:47:29 +0000, jimp wrote:

> 
> The Chinese thought the Earth was flat and square and the heavens round.
>

What do the Chinese think of you?

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#532648

On 11/12/2015 11:03 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 03:47:29 +0000, jimp wrote:
>
>>
>> The Chinese thought the Earth was flat and square and the heavens round.
>>
>
> What do the Chinese think of you?

We know what jimp thinks of Chinese:

"I like Chinese"
"They only come up to your Knees"
"Yet they're always friendly and they're ready to please!"



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#532651

On 11/12/2015 10:47 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 8:16:06 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:32:01 +0000, jimp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought we had settled that in 1492.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was settled 2000 years earlier.
>>>
>>> As usual, half assed correct.
>>>
>>> It was suspected over 2000 years ago, and by the late 17th Century thought
>>> so by most scientists of the time, but not proven until the voyages of
>>> Columbus and Magellan.
>>
>> It may have been suspected by some, but the Greeks pretty well knew it
>> more than 2500 years ago. They even computed the radius of Earth by
>> lengths of shadows at different locations, at the same time of
>> day. Their accuracy was very close to the 6378km radius of today.
>
> Yes, but they could not prove it, nor did the theory gain much traction
> around the world until about the 17th Century after the invention of
> the telescope and people could see that the heavenly bodies were spheres
> and not discs.
>
>> More than likely, the Egyptians, Hindus, and Chinese also already knew
>> the Earth was round based on observing lunar eclipes (i.e., the ones
>> where Earth's shadow falls on the Moon). Perhaps they never even
>> questioned it, the Sun is round, the Moon is round. Besides, at
>> nights, those ancient people weren't tuned in and turned off watching
>> TV reruns. Hmmm... what am I going to brainwash myself with tonight?
>
> The ancient Indians and Egyptians thought the Earth a disc.
>
> The Chinese thought the Earth was flat and square and the heavens round.

Obviously the Indians and Egyptians were as scientifically sound as many 
theories today! I mean unlike the square-round fantasy of the Chinese, 
they noticed the moon and sun were disks and logically concluded that 
the earth must be one too!

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#532653

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 00:20:30 -0500, benj wrote:

> 
> Obviously the Indians and Egyptians were as scientifically sound as many 
> theories today!
>

None of you dummies know much at all about history.

The idea of epicyles was formulated by the Greek Apollonius
about 2500 years ago.

The idea of epicycles was based on a SPHERICAL EARTH model.

Please, unless you know EXACTLY what you are talking about,
don't talk.

 

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#532710

Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 00:20:30 -0500, benj wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Obviously the Indians and Egyptians were as scientifically sound as many 
>> theories today!
>>
> 
> None of you dummies know much at all about history.
> 
> The idea of epicyles was formulated by the Greek Apollonius
> about 2500 years ago.
> 
> The idea of epicycles was based on a SPHERICAL EARTH model.

No one said otherwise.

What was actually said was that the idea that the Earth is round
gained little traction world wide until the middle ages after the
telescope was invented and was proved by people sailing around the
Earth.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#532731

On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 11:01:10 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 8:16:06 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:32:01 +0000, jimp wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> I thought we had settled that in 1492.
> >> > 
> >> > It was settled 2000 years earlier.
> >>  
> >> As usual, half assed correct.
> >> 
> >> It was suspected over 2000 years ago, and by the late 17th Century thought
> >> so by most scientists of the time, but not proven until the voyages of
> >> Columbus and Magellan.
> > 
> > It may have been suspected by some, but the Greeks pretty well knew it
> > more than 2500 years ago. They even computed the radius of Earth by
> > lengths of shadows at different locations, at the same time of
> > day. Their accuracy was very close to the 6378km radius of today.
> 
> Yes, but they could not prove it, nor did the theory gain much traction
> around the world until about the 17th Century after the invention of
> the telescope and people could see that the heavenly bodies were spheres
> and not discs.

Getting a measure of Earth's radius pretty much already proves it. The
circular shadows of Earth on the Moon, pretty much proves it. No CGI
enhanced images required. 17th Century? Galileo was (1564-1642), so
that is true for the Romans. Those people tried to get Galileo to
STFU. Paint the complete picture, not some silly fraction of it.

> > More than likely, the Egyptians, Hindus, and Chinese also already knew
> > the Earth was round based on observing lunar eclipes (i.e., the ones
> > where Earth's shadow falls on the Moon). Perhaps they never even
> > questioned it, the Sun is round, the Moon is round. Besides, at
> > nights, those ancient people weren't tuned in and turned off watching
> > TV reruns. Hmmm... what am I going to brainwash myself with tonight?
> 
> The ancient Indians and Egyptians thought the Earth a disc.

No, not likely. We Hindus, there were no Indians back in the day, are
a very open minded people. Namaste. Rebranding us does not change us.
 
> The Chinese thought the Earth was flat and square and the heavens round.

Maybe. Chinese is an anagram of a Sanskrit word Seenchi. But I
digress... What the hell do you -- any you -- mean by heavens? I
always wanted to ask that. From my physics centric Machian Spinning
Bucket List, one down. Count goes on. Heaven's not really a common
universal language of a word. Celestial Sphere? Regardless...

Imagine a flat Earth, a disc, a square, a triangle, a plane, a thing
whatever. Imagine you're a Greek and your many young pretty boys have
all tired and finally gone to sleep. What you gonna do? Ponder: Who
put the Plate in Plato? He he... anyway... I'll try be serious... is
the flat plane infinite or finite?  If infinite, why doesn't the Moon
or the Sun collide into the plane? For surely they must S*M*A*S*H,
it's less than common sense easy to expect. So, if Earth as the flat
plate PlatonicIanIshQ plane is finite, where's its edge? Since there
is an edge, why doesn't the water fall off like in all the local
rivers?!  Long story short... My point, humans were far smarter back
then than they will ever be today. I love you all too! Oye@#...

I do highly recommend watching/reading "What The Ancients Knew" by
Jack Turner, who is simply wonderful with great presentation style.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=What+The+Ancients+Knew

James Burke's "Get The Connections" is brilliant beyond measure.

All should also always read/like/follow me 2 C, some Assembly required.

Moral: Being able to accurately measure the square footage, or cubic
meters, of your soul's surroundings, serves only to quench your
State's taxation laws. Also known as Property Tax. Deposit change here.

> -- 
> Jim Pennino

-- Mahipal "IPMM... Maine to seenchi re teri yeh raahein ^ 2"

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#532801

Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 11:01:10 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 8:16:06 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >> Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 23:32:01 +0000, jimp wrote:
>> >> > 
>> >> >> I thought we had settled that in 1492.
>> >> > 
>> >> > It was settled 2000 years earlier.
>> >>  
>> >> As usual, half assed correct.
>> >> 
>> >> It was suspected over 2000 years ago, and by the late 17th Century thought
>> >> so by most scientists of the time, but not proven until the voyages of
>> >> Columbus and Magellan.
>> > 
>> > It may have been suspected by some, but the Greeks pretty well knew it
>> > more than 2500 years ago. They even computed the radius of Earth by
>> > lengths of shadows at different locations, at the same time of
>> > day. Their accuracy was very close to the 6378km radius of today.
>> 
>> Yes, but they could not prove it, nor did the theory gain much traction
>> around the world until about the 17th Century after the invention of
>> the telescope and people could see that the heavenly bodies were spheres
>> and not discs.
> 
> Getting a measure of Earth's radius pretty much already proves it. The
> circular shadows of Earth on the Moon, pretty much proves it. No CGI
> enhanced images required. 17th Century? Galileo was (1564-1642), so
> that is true for the Romans. Those people tried to get Galileo to
> STFU. Paint the complete picture, not some silly fraction of it.

Nope, they were major clues but a disc Earth would cast a circular
shadow and calculating a radius does not PROVE the Earth a sphere.

The point is PROOF and world wide acceptance, not whether or not someone
in isolation got it right early on.

The invention of the telescope made it obvious that celestial objects
were spheres, not discs, which went a long way in getting the theory of
a spherical Earth accepted world wide.

The act of sailing around the Earth put the final nail in the coffin
of the disc Earth theory as it was absolute proof.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#532603

   From Wikipedia

> The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century
> BC, when it was mentioned in ancient Greek philosophy,[1] but
> remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century
> BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the
> earth as a physical given. The paradigm was gradually adopted
> throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle
> Ages.[2][3][4][5] A practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was
> achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastián Elcano's
> expedition's circumnavigation (1519−1522).



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#532821

Aristarchus i.e

> > BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the
> > earth as a physical given. The paradigm was gradually adopted
> > throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle
> > Ages.[2][3][4][5] A practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was
> > achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastián Elcano's
> > expedition's circumnavigation (1519-1522).
> 
> 
> 
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#532552

On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 2:53:56 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Is Earth Actually Flat?
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs
> 
> 
> Cool
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

Lots is and we know its 13 miles out of round. TreBert

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#533673

On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 3:53:49 PM UTC-8, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Thursday, November 12, 2015 at 2:53:56 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> > Is Earth Actually Flat?
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs
> > 
> > 
> > Cool
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> > community, and physics-related social issues.
> 
> Lots is and we know its 13 miles out of round. TreBert

If you are a clam the earth is flat.If you never leave your home in Florida the Earth is flat.Its location Location location.The flatest spot on Earth is ???? TreBert

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