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Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman

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  Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-11 18:37 -0500
    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-11 17:21 -0700
      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-11 21:47 -0400
        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-11 21:53 -0400
        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-11 19:17 -0700
      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 09:32 -0700
      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 09:39 -0700
    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-11 21:30 -0400
      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-11 18:45 -0700
        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-11 22:03 -0400
    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-12 12:03 +1000
      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 14:47 -0400
        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 07:24 +1000
          Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 19:44 -0400
            Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 19:08 +1000
              Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-13 12:28 -0400
              Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 12:45 -0400
                Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 12:23 -0500
                  Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 04:28 +1000
                    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 14:34 -0400
                      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 05:13 +1000
                        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 15:31 -0400
                          Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 05:47 +1000
                            Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 16:25 -0500
                              Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 07:58 +1000
                                Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 17:10 -0500
                                  Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 08:23 +1000
                                    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 17:31 -0500
                            Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 17:48 -0400
                              Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 08:32 +1000
                                Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 18:37 -0400
                                  Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 08:44 +1000
                                    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 11:32 -0700
                                Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-13 20:36 -0500
                    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-14 11:50 -0400
                      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-14 13:59 -0500
                        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-14 18:13 -0400
                          Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-14 17:18 -0500
                Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 04:26 +1000
                  Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 14:30 -0400
                    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 04:35 +1000
                      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 14:56 -0400
                        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 05:10 +1000
                          Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 15:27 -0400
                            Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-13 12:48 -0700
                              Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 06:01 +1000
                                Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-14 12:07 -0400
                              Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 17:49 -0400
                            Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 05:50 +1000
                              Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 16:39 -0500
                                Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 08:29 +1000
                                  Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 18:26 -0500
                                    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 16:46 -0700
                                      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 20:04 -0500
                                      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 07:18 -0700
                                        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 10:47 -0700
                                          Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-15 14:37 -0400
                                            Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-15 13:58 -0500
                                    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 10:04 +1000
                                      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 19:58 -0500
                                        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 11:01 +1000
                                          Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 20:09 -0500
                                            Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 07:57 +1000
                                              Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 20:18 -0500
                                                Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 12:19 +1000
                                                  Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-17 12:20 -0500
                                          Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 21:33 -0400
                              Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-13 17:54 -0400
                                Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 08:00 +1000
                          Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-14 12:03 -0400
                      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-14 12:00 -0400
                        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 09:11 +1000
                  Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-14 11:37 -0400
                    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-15 09:28 +1000
                      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-14 22:27 -0400
                        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 10:45 -0700
                          Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 11:31 -0700
                          Politians will take as much money from you as they possibly can. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-15 16:39 -0700
                            Re: Politians will take as much money from you as they possibly can. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 09:45 +1000
                              Re: Politians will take as much money from you as they possibly can. James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 19:36 -0700
                                Re: Politians will take as much money from you as they possibly can. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 19:50 +1000
                        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-16 07:45 +1000
                Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-14 11:21 -0400
    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 11:10 -0500
      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 11:53 -0500
      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 10:39 -0700
        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 14:14 -0700
          Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 19:09 -0500
        Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 15:38 -0500
      Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-05-12 13:48 -0400
    Re: Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 15:44 -0700

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#684993 — Global warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-05-11 18:37 -0500
SubjectGlobal warming is a big fat lie and the science behind it is fake: John Coleman
Message-ID<pd59g7$1fmk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm

John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
scientific evidence.

"The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
"I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."

"There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
weather effects have failed.

"There has been no warming over 18 years."

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#684999

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-05-11 17:21 -0700
Message-ID<4dff299e-f86e-474a-99fa-8b0e6737fa55@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#684993
On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 4:37:49 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm
> 
> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
> scientific evidence.
> 
> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
> 
> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
> weather effects have failed.
> 
> "There has been no warming over 18 years."

John Coleman was a San Diego TV weatherman for a long time, now deceased, but he was definitely not a climate scientist and produced not a single peer-reviewed paper, ever. Here, read this...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/weather-or-not/

"...His position further demonstrates an incredible lack of respect and regard for scores of intelligent, hard-working climate scientists, some of whom are politically conservative, who have dedicated their careers to objectively examining data and publishing research that indicate human-induced warming.

Moreover, much of Coleman’s criticism of climate change dealt with impugning the motives of those engaged in that discipline rather than refuting the science behind their work:

For the many Americans who don’t understand the difference between weather — the short-term behavior of the atmosphere — and climate — the broader system in which weather happens — Coleman’s professional background made him a genuine authority on global warming. It was an impression that Coleman encouraged. Global warming “is not something you ‘believe in,'” he wrote in his essay. “It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise.”

Except that it wasn’t. Coleman had spent half a century in the trenches of TV weathercasting; he had once been an accredited meteorologist, and remained a virtuoso forecaster. But his work was more a highly technical art than a science. His degree, received fifty years earlier at the University of Illinois, was in journalism. And then there was the fact that the research that Coleman was rejecting wasn’t “the science of meteorology” at all — it was the science of climatology, a field in which Coleman had spent no time whatsoever."

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#685019

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-11 21:47 -0400
Message-ID<MIrJC.125758$mS3.53529@fx04.iad>
In reply to#684999
On 5/11/2018 8:21 PM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 4:37:49 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
>> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm
>>
>> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
>> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
>> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
>> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
>> scientific evidence.
>>
>> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
>> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
>> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
>> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
>> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
>> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
>>
>> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
>> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
>> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
>> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
>> weather effects have failed.
>>
>> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
> 
> John Coleman was a San Diego TV weatherman for a long time, now deceased, but he was definitely not a climate scientist and produced not a single peer-reviewed paper, ever. Here, read this...
> 
> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/weather-or-not/
> 
> "...His position further demonstrates an incredible lack of respect and regard for scores of intelligent, hard-working climate scientists, some of whom are politically conservative, who have dedicated their careers to objectively examining data and publishing research that indicate human-induced warming.

In science your "respect" for elders and how hard they "work" and a 
democratic vote of their opinions is all pseudoscience journalist 
garbage. It only proves Snopes is a lib propaganda site no more truthful 
that the NY times or Washington compost.

Science is not about your emotions and feelings. That is for Hollywood 
writers and dimocrats.

Quoting a propaganda source like Snopes to "prove" something only 
"proves" blatant dishonesty.

< snip remaining Snopes blather>

So what does SCIENCE say rather than the lib political press?

Here is an actual plot of warmballer GISS temperature anomaly data for 
much of the period in question.

http://www.mrk-inc.com/Docs/fjacoby/AGWGISSCHART.htm

There is a decade of scary "global warming" the science deniers say will 
kill us all. CO2 was skyrocketing the whole time which as we are all 
assured is the huge CAUSE of planet overheating!!!! But the "weatherman' 
is right on. The Libs as usual are stupid as a box of hammers and as 
dishonest as a serial killer.

Total warming per year = .003 degrees per year. Scared yet? Snopes will 
tell you that you are!

The discussion SHOULD be over now, but only a O.D. will shut up a lying 
lib. Hey man, got some good shit?









> Moreover, much of Coleman’s criticism of climate change dealt with impugning the motives of those engaged in that discipline rather than refuting the science behind their work:
> 
> For the many Americans who don’t understand the difference between weather — the short-term behavior of the atmosphere — and climate — the broader system in which weather happens — Coleman’s professional background made him a genuine authority on global warming. It was an impression that Coleman encouraged. Global warming “is not something you ‘believe in,'” he wrote in his essay. “It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise.”
> 
> Except that it wasn’t. Coleman had spent half a century in the trenches of TV weathercasting; he had once been an accredited meteorologist, and remained a virtuoso forecaster. But his work was more a highly technical art than a science. His degree, received fifty years earlier at the University of Illinois, was in journalism. And then there was the fact that the research that Coleman was rejecting wasn’t “the science of meteorology” at all — it was the science of climatology, a field in which Coleman had spent no time whatsoever."
> 

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#685020

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-11 21:53 -0400
Message-ID<vOrJC.90174$nq5.19873@fx36.iad>
In reply to#685019
On 5/11/2018 9:47 PM, benj wrote:
> On 5/11/2018 8:21 PM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 4:37:49 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
>>> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm 
>>>
>>>
>>> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
>>> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
>>> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
>>> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
>>> scientific evidence.
>>>
>>> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
>>> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
>>> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
>>> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
>>> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
>>> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
>>>
>>> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
>>> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
>>> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
>>> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
>>> weather effects have failed.
>>>
>>> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
>>
>> John Coleman was a San Diego TV weatherman for a long time, now 
>> deceased, but he was definitely not a climate scientist and produced 
>> not a single peer-reviewed paper, ever. Here, read this...
>>
>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/weather-or-not/
>>
>> "...His position further demonstrates an incredible lack of respect 
>> and regard for scores of intelligent, hard-working climate scientists, 
>> some of whom are politically conservative, who have dedicated their 
>> careers to objectively examining data and publishing research that 
>> indicate human-induced warming.
> 
> In science your "respect" for elders and how hard they "work" and a 
> democratic vote of their opinions is all pseudoscience journalist 
> garbage. It only proves Snopes is a lib propaganda site no more truthful 
> that the NY times or Washington compost.
> 
> Science is not about your emotions and feelings. That is for Hollywood 
> writers and dimocrats.
> 
> Quoting a propaganda source like Snopes to "prove" something only 
> "proves" blatant dishonesty.
> 
> < snip remaining Snopes blather>
> 
> So what does SCIENCE say rather than the lib political press?
> 
> Here is an actual plot of warmballer GISS temperature anomaly data for 
> much of the period in question.
> 
> http://www.mrk-inc.com/Docs/fjacoby/AGWGISSCHART.htm
> 
> There is a decade of scary "global warming" the science deniers say will 
> kill us all. CO2 was skyrocketing the whole time which as we are all 
> assured is the huge CAUSE of planet overheating!!!! But the "weatherman' 
> is right on. The Libs as usual are stupid as a box of hammers and as 
> dishonest as a serial killer.
> 
> Total warming per year = .003 degrees per year. Scared yet? Snopes will 
> tell you that you are!
> 
> The discussion SHOULD be over now, but only an O.D. will shut up a lying 
> lib. Hey man, got some good shit?

Oops forgot to snip Snopes ignorant blather. Fixed it.

Hey "Kanzi"-Nads! Here is the MIDs of my post JUST FOR YOU so when you 
say I never posted it and ask for the MIDs for "proof" you can look 
right here! OK?

<MIrJC.125758$mS3.53529@fx04.iad>

Loudmouth morons.

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#685027

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-05-11 19:17 -0700
Message-ID<af22d06b-23a2-4cb2-8587-176a1ddcdac8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#685019
On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 6:47:27 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:

> So what does SCIENCE say rather than the lib political press?
> 
> Here is an actual plot of warmballer GISS temperature anomaly data for 
> much of the period in question.
> 
> http://www.mrk-inc.com/Docs/fjacoby/AGWGISSCHART.htm

That chart is at least 6 years out of date. Not relevant.

Try again.

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#685074

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-12 09:32 -0700
Message-ID<62ebe015-707c-44aa-9942-22741c062ea4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#684999
On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 5:21:18 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 4:37:49 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> > http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm
> > 
> > John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
> > the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
> > evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
> > has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
> > scientific evidence.
> > 
> > "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
> > melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
> > actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
> > or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
> > "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
> > political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
> > 
> > "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
> > been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
> > Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
> > significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
> > weather effects have failed.
> > 
> > "There has been no warming over 18 years."
> 
> John Coleman was a San Diego TV weatherman for a long time, now deceased, but he was definitely not a climate scientist and produced not a single peer-reviewed paper, ever. Here, read this...
> 
> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/weather-or-not/
> 
> "...His position further demonstrates an incredible lack of respect and regard for scores of intelligent, hard-working climate scientists, some of whom are politically conservative, who have dedicated their careers to objectively examining data and publishing research that indicate human-induced warming.
> 
> Moreover, much of Coleman’s criticism of climate change dealt with impugning the motives of those engaged in that discipline rather than refuting the science behind their work:
> 
> For the many Americans who don’t understand the difference between weather — the short-term behavior of the atmosphere — and climate — the broader system in which weather happens — Coleman’s professional background made him a genuine authority on global warming. It was an impression that Coleman encouraged. Global warming “is not something you ‘believe in,'” he wrote in his essay. “It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise.”
> 
> Except that it wasn’t. Coleman had spent half a century in the trenches of TV weathercasting; he had once been an accredited meteorologist, and remained a virtuoso forecaster. But his work was more a highly technical art than a science. His degree, received fifty years earlier at the University of Illinois, was in journalism. And then there was the fact that the research that Coleman was rejecting wasn’t “the science of meteorology” at all — it was the science of climatology, a field in which Coleman had spent no time whatsoever."

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#685075

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-12 09:39 -0700
Message-ID<0fbf2b2b-d199-486b-ba9f-1f24a5f5844c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#684999
On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 5:21:18 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:

> > "There has been no warming over 18 years."
> 
> John Coleman was a San Diego TV weatherman for a long time, now 
> deceased, but he was definitely not a climate scientist 

Pnal, you are out of touch with reality.  A climate scientists is just a failed meteorologists. Climate scientists don't do experiments.  They just collect data and hold press conferences.  IOW, a climate scientists is not a real scientist.

and produced not a single peer-reviewed paper, ever. Here, read this...

Peer review that is unsupported by experiment is just propaganda.  

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#685017

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-11 21:30 -0400
Message-ID<OsrJC.77738$pK.21256@fx13.iad>
In reply to#684993
On 5/11/2018 7:37 PM, Sergio wrote:
> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm
> 
> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
> scientific evidence.
> 
> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
> 
> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
> weather effects have failed.
> 
> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
> 
This is True. I just plotted GISS current GISS data and while there has 
been no warming for an 18 year period (actually there is warming. It's 
.003 degree per year for the period, but as you know libs don't do 
quantity so warming is warming, right? ) The last two years have showed 
a spike up and a spike down (I haven't none the linear fit yet) with a 
probable slight increase over the above. But GISS data is slowly 
becoming worthless as it's being fudged constantly with "adjustments" to 
historical data without explanation and faking of results for current 
data. This is what happens when politics takes over science.

Note that the GISS system was invented by Dr. Hansen the "godfather" of 
"global warming" so if HIS data shows no warming, it's existence 
anywhere else is certainly unlikely.

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#685018

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2018-05-11 18:45 -0700
Message-ID<dd599c32-cbb7-4d6c-9f7f-82fe1b61cd80@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#685017
On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 6:30:25 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> On 5/11/2018 7:37 PM, Sergio wrote:
> > http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm
> > 
> > John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
> > the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
> > evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
> > has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
> > scientific evidence.
> > 
> > "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
> > melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
> > actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
> > or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
> > "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
> > political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
> > 
> > "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
> > been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
> > Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
> > significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
> > weather effects have failed.
> > 
> > "There has been no warming over 18 years."
> > 
> This is True. I just plotted GISS current GISS data and while there has 
> been no warming for an 18 year period (actually there is warming. It's 
> .003 degree per year for the period, but as you know libs don't do 
> quantity so warming is warming, right? ) The last two years have showed 
> a spike up and a spike down (I haven't none the linear fit yet) with a 
> probable slight increase over the above. But GISS data is slowly 
> becoming worthless as it's being fudged constantly with "adjustments" to 
> historical data without explanation and faking of results for current 
> data. This is what happens when politics takes over science.
> 
> Note that the GISS system was invented by Dr. Hansen the "godfather" of 
> "global warming" so if HIS data shows no warming, it's existence 
> anywhere else is certainly unlikely.

Benj, you must be the worst data plotter in the world, check it out...

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20180118/NOAA-NASA_Global_Analysis-2017.pdf

... specifically pages 4-9. See a trend there? No warming in18 years? What have you been smoking?

Check this out, too...

http://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/the-10-hottest-global-years-on-record

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#685026

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-11 22:03 -0400
Message-ID<aYrJC.45758$VB3.27182@fx11.iad>
In reply to#685018
On 5/11/2018 9:45 PM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 6:30:25 PM UTC-7, benj wrote:
>> On 5/11/2018 7:37 PM, Sergio wrote:
>>> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm
>>>
>>> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
>>> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
>>> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
>>> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
>>> scientific evidence.
>>>
>>> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
>>> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
>>> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
>>> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
>>> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
>>> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
>>>
>>> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
>>> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
>>> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
>>> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
>>> weather effects have failed.
>>>
>>> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
>>>
>> This is True. I just plotted GISS current GISS data and while there has
>> been no warming for an 18 year period (actually there is warming. It's
>> .003 degree per year for the period, but as you know libs don't do
>> quantity so warming is warming, right? ) The last two years have showed
>> a spike up and a spike down (I haven't none the linear fit yet) with a
>> probable slight increase over the above. But GISS data is slowly
>> becoming worthless as it's being fudged constantly with "adjustments" to
>> historical data without explanation and faking of results for current
>> data. This is what happens when politics takes over science.
>>
>> Note that the GISS system was invented by Dr. Hansen the "godfather" of
>> "global warming" so if HIS data shows no warming, it's existence
>> anywhere else is certainly unlikely.
> 
> Benj, you must be the worst data plotter in the world, check it out...
> 
> https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20180118/NOAA-NASA_Global_Analysis-2017.pdf
> 
> ... specifically pages 4-9. See a trend there? No warming in18 years? What have you been smoking?
> 
> Check this out, too...
> 
> http://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/the-10-hottest-global-years-on-record
> 
Yeah warmballer propaganda sites that's proof!

NASA ain't too honest either it's all in the how liars figure.

You see their presentation now look at the SAME data (which note is 
constantly being "adjusted" without explanation) showing the decade of 
of the famous "hiatus" as you warmsters like to call it.

http://www.mrk-inc.com/Docs/fjacoby/AGWGISSCHART.htm

Are you going to argue that NASA data is fake or Microsoft can't produce 
a proper plot? Weatherman is right. So please explain to us all how with 
CO2 dramatically rising the whole time, somehow we had a over a decade 
of no warming?  What ever happened to your CO2 causes global warming?

And I haven't even dragged out the plot of 1940-1970 where CO2 went UP 
and Temperature went DOWN! Explain that bubba.

Fact is all you clowns know is lies and propaganda to further your tax 
fraud. You quote each other and pretend it's real science.
  Puhleeeze.

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#685025

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-12 12:03 +1000
Message-ID<fln0b6FfhngU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#684993
On 12/05/2018 9:37 AM, Sergio wrote:
> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm
> 
> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
> scientific evidence.
> 
> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
> 
> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
> weather effects have failed.
> 
> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
> 

**Coleman is a TV weatherman. He is not a climatologist. Everything he 
says on the matter is seriously questionable, if not flat out wrong.

-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#685088

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-12 14:47 -0400
Message-ID<xFGJC.132292$1e7.100993@fx38.iad>
In reply to#685025
On 5/11/2018 10:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 12/05/2018 9:37 AM, Sergio wrote:
>> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm 
>>
>>
>> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
>> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
>> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
>> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
>> scientific evidence.
>>
>> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
>> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
>> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
>> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
>> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
>> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
>>
>> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
>> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
>> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
>> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
>> weather effects have failed.
>>
>> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
>>
> 
> **Coleman is a TV weatherman. He is not a climatologist. Everything he 
> says on the matter is seriously questionable, if not flat out wrong.
> 
So in your lib world it's all about titles and papers? Coleman can never 
say the truth because hes a weatherman? But Climatologists ALWAYS tell 
the truth about climate because of their title?  Oh that's right in Oz 
you still believe in Kings and Queens.

So you realize just how STOOOPID your statement is?
In science truth is true because measurements show it correct,
not because of the authority of the person saying it. Who says it and 
their titles are totally irrelevant. You lib journalists never seem to 
get this point. You are too busy being minions to authority.

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#685112

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-13 07:24 +1000
Message-ID<flp4d3Fu4duU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#685088
On 13/05/2018 4:47 AM, benj wrote:
> On 5/11/2018 10:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 12/05/2018 9:37 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm 
>>>
>>>
>>> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
>>> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little scientific
>>> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
>>> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
>>> scientific evidence.
>>>
>>> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, not
>>> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
>>> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the number
>>> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
>>> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
>>> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
>>>
>>> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has
>>> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future,"
>>> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
>>> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
>>> weather effects have failed.
>>>
>>> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
>>>
>>
>> **Coleman is a TV weatherman. He is not a climatologist. Everything he 
>> says on the matter is seriously questionable, if not flat out wrong.
>>
> So in your lib world it's all about titles and papers?

**Not at all. Just stating the fact, that Coleman was a TV weatherman. 
He was not a scientist.

  Coleman can never
> say the truth because hes a weatherman?

**He COULD, but he didn't. He was an idiot. A lot like you, in fact.

  But Climatologists ALWAYS tell
> the truth about climate because of their title?

**I am confident that climatologists, like all humans, do not always 
tell the truth about all things. However, climatologists do have a 
professional reputation to protect (unlike yourself and Coleman), so 
they will, as far as they can, ensure that what they do say is based on 
hard science.


   Oh that's right in Oz
> you still believe in Kings and Queens.

**Believe in fact? Certainly. Kings and Queens exist on this planet. 
Only a complete moron would deny their existence. Do you deny their 
existence?

> 
> So you realize just how STOOOPID your statement is?

**Well, I sure realise just how moronic your statements are. As does 
everyone else here.

> In science truth is true because measurements show it correct,
> not because of the authority of the person saying it.

**Correct. Coleman made easily refutable claims. The science proved him 
wrong. Just as it proves your claims wrong.

  Who says it and
> their titles are totally irrelevant.

**Sure. Fortunately, science proved what an idiot Coleman was.


  You lib journalists never seem to
> get this point. You are too busy being minions to authority.


**Nope. Just the facts. Always the facts. Coleman was proven to be wrong 
many, many times. Just like you.


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#685139

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-12 19:44 -0400
Message-ID<a%KJC.165593$w94.2009@fx43.iad>
In reply to#685112
On 5/12/2018 5:24 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 13/05/2018 4:47 AM, benj wrote:
>> On 5/11/2018 10:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 12/05/2018 9:37 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>>> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
>>>> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little 
>>>> scientific
>>>> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole thing
>>>> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
>>>> scientific evidence.
>>>>
>>>> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is increasing, 
>>>> not
>>>> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
>>>> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the 
>>>> number
>>>> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says Coleman.
>>>> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
>>>> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
>>>>
>>>> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there 
>>>> has
>>>> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the 
>>>> future,"
>>>> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
>>>> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or
>>>> weather effects have failed.
>>>>
>>>> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Coleman is a TV weatherman. He is not a climatologist. Everything 
>>> he says on the matter is seriously questionable, if not flat out wrong.
>>>
>> So in your lib world it's all about titles and papers?
> 
> **Not at all. Just stating the fact, that Coleman was a TV weatherman. 
> He was not a scientist.

So there was no innuendo implied, right? How gullible do you think 
people are? Nevermind, we can see what you think.

>   Coleman can never
>> say the truth because hes a weatherman?
> 
> **He COULD, but he didn't. He was an idiot. A lot like you, in fact.

So your "scientific argument, still comes back to the old Lib standby 
calling people who don't agree with your stupid and trying to censor 
them. Nothing new here, move along,


>   But Climatologists ALWAYS tell
>> the truth about climate because of their title?
> 
> **I am confident that climatologists, like all humans, do not always 
> tell the truth about all things. However, climatologists do have a 
> professional reputation to protect (unlike yourself and Coleman), so 
> they will, as far as they can, ensure that what they do say is based on 
> hard science.

I'm confident that they have families and homes and cars and debts and 
their income depends on getting those "climate change" grants. I'm 
confident they are all so "professional" that they are never influenced 
by money. Funny they all got caught in emails talking about lying about 
the science to make the "sale". Sergio can fill you in.

> 
>    Oh that's right in Oz
>> you still believe in Kings and Queens.
> 
> **Believe in fact? Certainly. Kings and Queens exist on this planet. 
> Only a complete moron would deny their existence. Do you deny their 
> existence?

Do you believe in the principles of Monarchy? That some people are 
better and smarter than others and that for the good of all humanity 
they have a DUTY to tell lesser being what is best for them and force 
them to do it? Of course you do. You are a lefty lib.


>>
>> So you realize just how STOOOPID your statement is?
> 
> **Well, I sure realise just how moronic your statements are. As does 
> everyone else here.

So as a lib you feel obliged to speak for "every one else here". WE all 
bow to your self-appointed superiority.

>> In science truth is true because measurements show it correct,
>> not because of the authority of the person saying it.
> 
> **Correct. Coleman made easily refutable claims. The science proved him 
> wrong. Just as it proves your claims wrong.

I already gave the temperature data that proves Colemen Correct. ARe you 
so stupid as to Reject GISS data? or are you so political you are 
willing to argue that .003 degree a year is global warming so therefor 
Coleman was "wrong" when he said there was none? Which is it counselor?

>   Who says it and
>> their titles are totally irrelevant.
> 
> **Sure. Fortunately, science proved what an idiot Coleman was.

Sciebce proves you are a sold out shill (probably paid for your "work" 
here while I am not) And you simply defend those sold out "scienctists" 
(many of who are NOT scientists at all but officers of trade 
organizations and political organizations) and their tax agenda. Since 
the scheme is fraud you know that that makes you.

>   You lib journalists never seem to
>> get this point. You are too busy being minions to authority.
> 
> 
> **Nope. Just the facts. Always the facts. Coleman was proven to be wrong 
> many, many times. Just like you.

You mean all you squealling warmballers SAY he was wrong. You cannot 
deny the "Hiatus"! Shit you crooks even gave it that name so you could 
say warming hasn't stopped just "paused". You think these political 
tricks are not noticed by anyone? Why did you have to go to "climate 
change"?

So you could say you were "right" no matter what climate does. Obviously 
the "hiatus" scared the shit out of all you crooks as you saw your scam 
failing right in front of your eyes.

Here is 12 years as part of what coleman said had no warming.

http://www.mrk-inc.com/Docs/fjacoby/AGWGISSCHART.htm

Can you deny it? Are you so dishonest and ignorant as to assert that 
there is CO2 (Which was rapidly rising the whole time) driving warming 
while the temperature stays the same? This is what Coleman said and you 
say it's a lie. Obviously either YOU or Dr Hansen is a liar. Coleman 
simply reported science FACT. But you do politics, not science, right?

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#685194

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-13 19:08 +1000
Message-ID<flqdkqF7sknU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#685139
On 13/05/2018 9:44 AM, benj wrote:
> On 5/12/2018 5:24 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 13/05/2018 4:47 AM, benj wrote:
>>> On 5/11/2018 10:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 12/05/2018 9:37 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world and
>>>>> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little 
>>>>> scientific
>>>>> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole 
>>>>> thing
>>>>> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
>>>>> scientific evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is 
>>>>> increasing, not
>>>>> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
>>>>> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the 
>>>>> number
>>>>> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says 
>>>>> Coleman.
>>>>> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
>>>>> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
>>>>>
>>>>> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, 
>>>>> there has
>>>>> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the 
>>>>> future,"
>>>>> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
>>>>> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant 
>>>>> warming or
>>>>> weather effects have failed.
>>>>>
>>>>> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Coleman is a TV weatherman. He is not a climatologist. Everything 
>>>> he says on the matter is seriously questionable, if not flat out wrong.
>>>>
>>> So in your lib world it's all about titles and papers?
>>
>> **Not at all. Just stating the fact, that Coleman was a TV weatherman. 
>> He was not a scientist.
> 
> So there was no innuendo implied, right?

**Again: Just the facts. Coleman was a TV weatherman, who knew very 
little about climatology. Much like you.

  How gullible do you think
> people are?

**Well, I KNOW how gullible you are. Other people? Don't know.


  Nevermind, we can see what you think.
> 
>>   Coleman can never
>>> say the truth because hes a weatherman?
>>
>> **He COULD, but he didn't. He was an idiot. A lot like you, in fact.
> 
> So your "scientific argument, still comes back to the old Lib standby 
> calling people who don't agree with your stupid and trying to censor 
> them. Nothing new here, move along,

**Nope. I cite science, you cite nothing much of importance. You blather 
on about political claptrap and people who know little about science. 
It's irrelevant. Stick to the science.


> 
> 
>>   But Climatologists ALWAYS tell
>>> the truth about climate because of their title?
>>
>> **I am confident that climatologists, like all humans, do not always 
>> tell the truth about all things. However, climatologists do have a 
>> professional reputation to protect (unlike yourself and Coleman), so 
>> they will, as far as they can, ensure that what they do say is based 
>> on hard science.
> 
> I'm confident that they have families and homes and cars and debts and 
> their income depends on getting those "climate change" grants.

**What is a ""climate change" grant"? Please be more specific.

  I'm
> confident they are all so "professional" that they are never influenced 
> by money.

**Oh, I KNOW they are influenced by money. Litzen is famous for 
accepting thousands of Dollar per DAY to espouse lies about AGW theory. 
No doubt there are others who have sold out.

  Funny they all got caught in emails talking about lying about
> the science to make the "sale". Sergio can fill you in.

**Oh, he'll blather on about some stolen emails taken out of context. I 
get that. Like you, he will do anything except dealing with the hard 
science and the facts. SOP.

> 
>>
>>    Oh that's right in Oz
>>> you still believe in Kings and Queens.
>>
>> **Believe in fact? Certainly. Kings and Queens exist on this planet. 
>> Only a complete moron would deny their existence. Do you deny their 
>> existence?
> 
> Do you believe in the principles of Monarchy?

**Kings and Queens exist. Fact. How can I not "believe in the principles 
of Monarchy"? A fact is a fact. They exist.


  That some people are
> better and smarter than others and that for the good of all humanity 
> they have a DUTY to tell lesser being what is best for them and force 
> them to do it?

**No. People should be presented with the facts. What they do with those 
facts, is up to them. You willfully ignore the facts surrounding AGW 
theory.

  Of course you do. You are a lefty lib.

**There you go again: Banging on about politics, when you can't deal 
with the science. You're WAY out of your depth here. You know that, 
don't you?

> 
> 
>>>
>>> So you realize just how STOOOPID your statement is?
>>
>> **Well, I sure realise just how moronic your statements are. As does 
>> everyone else here.
> 
> So as a lib you feel obliged to speak for "every one else here". WE all 
> bow to your self-appointed superiority.

**As well you should. Your intellect is well below room temperature (in 
Celcius). Presently 18 degrees here in Australia.

> 
>>> In science truth is true because measurements show it correct,
>>> not because of the authority of the person saying it.
>>
>> **Correct. Coleman made easily refutable claims. The science proved 
>> him wrong. Just as it proves your claims wrong.
> 
> I already gave the temperature data that proves Colemen Correct.

**No, you did not. You failed miserably.


  ARe you
> so stupid as to Reject GISS data?

**Nope. You misread the data. Like you always do.


  or are you so political you are
> willing to argue that .003 degree a year is global warming so therefor 
> Coleman was "wrong" when he said there was none? Which is it counselor?

**Since 1880, the average temperature of this planet has risen by 
approximately 1 degree C. It is rising at a faster rate than before.

> 
>>   Who says it and
>>> their titles are totally irrelevant.
>>
>> **Sure. Fortunately, science proved what an idiot Coleman was.
> 
> Sciebce proves you are a sold out shill (probably paid for your "work" 
> here while I am not) And you simply defend those sold out "scienctists" 
> (many of who are NOT scientists at all but officers of trade 
> organizations and political organizations) and their tax agenda. Since 
> the scheme is fraud you know that that makes you.

**WTF are you smoking?

> 
>>   You lib journalists never seem to
>>> get this point. You are too busy being minions to authority.
>>
>>
>> **Nope. Just the facts. Always the facts. Coleman was proven to be 
>> wrong many, many times. Just like you.
> 
> You mean all you squealling warmballers SAY he was wrong.

**Well, no. ALL the climatologists PROVED that he was wrong. Irrefutably 
wrong. Only complete morons defend Coleman.

  You cannot
> deny the "Hiatus"! Shit you crooks even gave it that name so you could 
> say warming hasn't stopped just "paused".

**Bullshit. There has been no "pause". We are experiencing warmer 
conditions each decade.


  You think these political
> tricks are not noticed by anyone?

**You're the one who resorts to politics. I cite science. Nothing more.

  Why did you have to go to "climate
> change"?

**Please re-phrase your question so that I can answer.


> 
> So you could say you were "right" no matter what climate does. Obviously 
> the "hiatus" scared the shit out of all you crooks as you saw your scam 
> failing right in front of your eyes.

**What "hiatus"? The planet has warmed since 1998. Or have you failed to 
realise that fact?

> 
> Here is 12 years as part of what coleman said had no warming.
> 
> http://www.mrk-inc.com/Docs/fjacoby/AGWGISSCHART.htm
> 
> Can you deny it?

**Haven't read it. I'll take a look tomorrow. I bet it is bullshit, 
typical of your usual submissions.

  Are you so dishonest and ignorant as to assert that
> there is CO2 (Which was rapidly rising the whole time) driving warming 
> while the temperature stays the same?

**Fuck me, you're an idiot. CO2 is _a_ driver of warming. There are 
others. There are also different things that drive cooling. But you've 
been told this before. Many times.

  This is what Coleman said and you
> say it's a lie.

**Like a broken clock, Coleman may have been correct once in awhile. 
However, he lied so often that anything he said was of dubious value. 
Much like your words.

  Obviously either YOU or Dr Hansen is a liar. Coleman
> simply reported science FACT. But you do politics, not science, right?

**Coleman lied and distorted the facts.


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#685217

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-13 12:28 -0400
Message-ID<zIZJC.67585$mD.44612@fx31.iad>
In reply to#685194
On 5/13/2018 5:08 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 13/05/2018 9:44 AM, benj wrote:
>> On 5/12/2018 5:24 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 13/05/2018 4:47 AM, benj wrote:
>>>> On 5/11/2018 10:03 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 12/05/2018 9:37 AM, Sergio wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/18641/20141025/global-warning-is-a-big-fat-lie-and-the-science-behind-it-is-fake-john-coleman.htm 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Coleman, co-founder of the Weather Channel, shocked the world 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the scientific community when he claimed that there is little 
>>>>>> scientific
>>>>>> evidence to prove that global warming is real, and that the whole 
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> has become nothing but a political tool that is not backed by true
>>>>>> scientific evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The ocean is not rising significantly. The polar ice is 
>>>>>> increasing, not
>>>>>> melting away. Polar bears are increasing in number. Heat waves have
>>>>>> actually diminished, not increased. There is not an uptick in the 
>>>>>> number
>>>>>> or strength of storms (in fact, storms are diminishing)," says 
>>>>>> Coleman.
>>>>>> "I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a
>>>>>> political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, 
>>>>>> there has
>>>>>> been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the 
>>>>>> future,"
>>>>>> Coleman writes. "Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a
>>>>>> significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant 
>>>>>> warming or
>>>>>> weather effects have failed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There has been no warming over 18 years."
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Coleman is a TV weatherman. He is not a climatologist. Everything 
>>>>> he says on the matter is seriously questionable, if not flat out 
>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>
>>>> So in your lib world it's all about titles and papers?
>>>
>>> **Not at all. Just stating the fact, that Coleman was a TV 
>>> weatherman. He was not a scientist.
>>
>> So there was no innuendo implied, right?
> 
> **Again: Just the facts. Coleman was a TV weatherman, who knew very 
> little about climatology. Much like you.
> 
>   How gullible do you think
>> people are?
> 
> **Well, I KNOW how gullible you are. Other people? Don't know.
> 
> 
>   Nevermind, we can see what you think.
>>
>>>   Coleman can never
>>>> say the truth because hes a weatherman?
>>>
>>> **He COULD, but he didn't. He was an idiot. A lot like you, in fact.
>>
>> So your "scientific argument, still comes back to the old Lib standby 
>> calling people who don't agree with your stupid and trying to censor 
>> them. Nothing new here, move along,
> 
> **Nope. I cite science, you cite nothing much of importance. You blather 
> on about political claptrap and people who know little about science. 
> It's irrelevant. Stick to the science.
> 
> 
>>
>>
>>>   But Climatologists ALWAYS tell
>>>> the truth about climate because of their title?
>>>
>>> **I am confident that climatologists, like all humans, do not always 
>>> tell the truth about all things. However, climatologists do have a 
>>> professional reputation to protect (unlike yourself and Coleman), so 
>>> they will, as far as they can, ensure that what they do say is based 
>>> on hard science.
>>
>> I'm confident that they have families and homes and cars and debts and 
>> their income depends on getting those "climate change" grants.
> 
> **What is a ""climate change" grant"? Please be more specific.
> 
>   I'm
>> confident they are all so "professional" that they are never 
>> influenced by money.
> 
> **Oh, I KNOW they are influenced by money. Litzen is famous for 
> accepting thousands of Dollar per DAY to espouse lies about AGW theory. 
> No doubt there are others who have sold out.
> 
>   Funny they all got caught in emails talking about lying about
>> the science to make the "sale". Sergio can fill you in.
> 
> **Oh, he'll blather on about some stolen emails taken out of context. I 
> get that. Like you, he will do anything except dealing with the hard 
> science and the facts. SOP.
> 
>>
>>>
>>>    Oh that's right in Oz
>>>> you still believe in Kings and Queens.
>>>
>>> **Believe in fact? Certainly. Kings and Queens exist on this planet. 
>>> Only a complete moron would deny their existence. Do you deny their 
>>> existence?
>>
>> Do you believe in the principles of Monarchy?
> 
> **Kings and Queens exist. Fact. How can I not "believe in the principles 
> of Monarchy"? A fact is a fact. They exist.
> 
> 
>   That some people are
>> better and smarter than others and that for the good of all humanity 
>> they have a DUTY to tell lesser being what is best for them and force 
>> them to do it?
> 
> **No. People should be presented with the facts. What they do with those 
> facts, is up to them. You willfully ignore the facts surrounding AGW 
> theory.
> 
>   Of course you do. You are a lefty lib.
> 
> **There you go again: Banging on about politics, when you can't deal 
> with the science. You're WAY out of your depth here. You know that, 
> don't you?
> 
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> So you realize just how STOOOPID your statement is?
>>>
>>> **Well, I sure realise just how moronic your statements are. As does 
>>> everyone else here.
>>
>> So as a lib you feel obliged to speak for "every one else here". WE 
>> all bow to your self-appointed superiority.
> 
> **As well you should. Your intellect is well below room temperature (in 
> Celcius). Presently 18 degrees here in Australia.
> 
>>
>>>> In science truth is true because measurements show it correct,
>>>> not because of the authority of the person saying it.
>>>
>>> **Correct. Coleman made easily refutable claims. The science proved 
>>> him wrong. Just as it proves your claims wrong.
>>
>> I already gave the temperature data that proves Colemen Correct.
> 
> **No, you did not. You failed miserably.
> 
> 
>   ARe you
>> so stupid as to Reject GISS data?
> 
> **Nope. You misread the data. Like you always do.
> 
> 
>   or are you so political you are
>> willing to argue that .003 degree a year is global warming so therefor 
>> Coleman was "wrong" when he said there was none? Which is it counselor?
> 
> **Since 1880, the average temperature of this planet has risen by 
> approximately 1 degree C. It is rising at a faster rate than before.
> 
>>
>>>   Who says it and
>>>> their titles are totally irrelevant.
>>>
>>> **Sure. Fortunately, science proved what an idiot Coleman was.
>>
>> Sciebce proves you are a sold out shill (probably paid for your "work" 
>> here while I am not) And you simply defend those sold out 
>> "scienctists" (many of who are NOT scientists at all but officers of 
>> trade organizations and political organizations) and their tax agenda. 
>> Since the scheme is fraud you know that that makes you.
> 
> **WTF are you smoking?
> 
>>
>>>   You lib journalists never seem to
>>>> get this point. You are too busy being minions to authority.
>>>
>>>
>>> **Nope. Just the facts. Always the facts. Coleman was proven to be 
>>> wrong many, many times. Just like you.
>>
>> You mean all you squealling warmballers SAY he was wrong.
> 
> **Well, no. ALL the climatologists PROVED that he was wrong. Irrefutably 
> wrong. Only complete morons defend Coleman.
> 
>   You cannot
>> deny the "Hiatus"! Shit you crooks even gave it that name so you could 
>> say warming hasn't stopped just "paused".
> 
> **Bullshit. There has been no "pause". We are experiencing warmer 
> conditions each decade.
> 
> 
>   You think these political
>> tricks are not noticed by anyone?
> 
> **You're the one who resorts to politics. I cite science. Nothing more.
> 
>   Why did you have to go to "climate
>> change"?
> 
> **Please re-phrase your question so that I can answer.
> 
> 
>>
>> So you could say you were "right" no matter what climate does. 
>> Obviously the "hiatus" scared the shit out of all you crooks as you 
>> saw your scam failing right in front of your eyes.
> 
> **What "hiatus"? The planet has warmed since 1998. Or have you failed to 
> realise that fact?
> 
>>
>> Here is 12 years as part of what coleman said had no warming.
>>
>> http://www.mrk-inc.com/Docs/fjacoby/AGWGISSCHART.htm
>>
>> Can you deny it?
> 
> **Haven't read it. I'll take a look tomorrow. I bet it is bullshit, 
> typical of your usual submissions.
> 
>   Are you so dishonest and ignorant as to assert that
>> there is CO2 (Which was rapidly rising the whole time) driving warming 
>> while the temperature stays the same?
> 
> **Fuck me, you're an idiot. CO2 is _a_ driver of warming. There are 
> others. There are also different things that drive cooling. But you've 
> been told this before. Many times.

So you are so ignorant that whole CO2 is such a minor driver that from 
1940 to 1970 CO2 went UP while Temperature went DOWN but somehow you 
think it is STILL THE cause of global warming (which really is minor) 
and therefore MUST be controlled? You've been SHOWN this many times and 
yet your head remains up your own ass.

Nothing more needs to be said.

>   This is what Coleman said and you
>> say it's a lie.
> 
> **Like a broken clock, Coleman may have been correct once in awhile. 
> However, he lied so often that anything he said was of dubious value. 
> Much like your words.
> 
>   Obviously either YOU or Dr Hansen is a liar. Coleman
>> simply reported science FACT. But you do politics, not science, right?
> 
> **Coleman lied and distorted the facts.

I guess since YOU said it, that this cannot be questioned. Your word is 
obviously Law. Thanks for the proof.

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#685225

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2018-05-13 12:45 -0400
Message-ID<gpqgfdlvedf9oie7000ed40j8caqs04tmk@4ax.com>
In reply to#685194
On Sun, 13 May 2018 19:08:26 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>**Fuck me, you're an idiot. CO2 is _a_ driver of warming. There are 
>others. 

But CO2 is the poster child for "the cause."

Why is that?

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#685232

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-05-13 12:23 -0500
Message-ID<pd9saq$rdv$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#685225
On 5/13/2018 11:45 AM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Sun, 13 May 2018 19:08:26 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> 
>> **Fuck me, you're an idiot. CO2 is _a_ driver of warming. There are 
>> others. 
> 
> But CO2 is the poster child for "the cause."
> 
> Why is that?
> 

what about Water Vapor ?

By Trevor's own admission, Water vapor is 4 times the greenhouse gas
than CO2.

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#685251

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-05-14 04:28 +1000
Message-ID<flrefiFf2nmU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#685232
On 14/05/2018 3:23 AM, Sergio wrote:
> On 5/13/2018 11:45 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 May 2018 19:08:26 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> **Fuck me, you're an idiot. CO2 is _a_ driver of warming. There are
>>> others.
>>
>> But CO2 is the poster child for "the cause."
>>
>> Why is that?
>>
> 
> what about Water Vapor ?

**What about water vapour? We can't do much about water vapour. We CAN 
deal with excessive CO2 emissions. It makes sense to deal with the 
problems we can address, rather than trying to deal with the problems we 
cannot.

> 
> By Trevor's own admission, Water vapor is 4 times the greenhouse gas
> than CO2.

**And again: You are massively over-simplifying the issue, with 
misleading comments like this. You've been told before the precise 
details surrounding the Solar forcing of CO2 and H2O, yet you still lie. 
Why is that?


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#685253

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2018-05-13 14:34 -0400
Message-ID<p31hfdhd13707n4u158pj0dn1diod97uhs@4ax.com>
In reply to#685251
On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:28:51 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>On 14/05/2018 3:23 AM, Sergio wrote:
>> On 5/13/2018 11:45 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 May 2018 19:08:26 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> **Fuck me, you're an idiot. CO2 is _a_ driver of warming. There are
>>>> others.
>>>
>>> But CO2 is the poster child for "the cause."
>>>
>>> Why is that?
>>>
>> 
>> what about Water Vapor ?
>
>**What about water vapour? We can't do much about water vapour. We CAN 
>deal with excessive CO2 emissions. It makes sense to deal with the 
>problems we can address, rather than trying to deal with the problems we 
>cannot.

Why doesn't it make more sense to adapt to the (not necessarily
detrimental) consequences of (so say some) "excessive" CO2 emissions?

>> 
>> By Trevor's own admission, Water vapor is 4 times the greenhouse gas
>> than CO2.
>
>**And again: You are massively over-simplifying the issue, 

And focusing on CO2 is not?

>with 
>misleading comments like this. You've been told before the precise 
>details surrounding the Solar forcing of CO2 and H2O, yet you still lie. 
>Why is that?

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