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  Maurice Clemmons isn't a 90 year old Japanese lady. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-10 14:03 -0700
    Re: Maurice Clemmons isn't a 90 year old Japanese lady. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 14:18 -0700
      Perfection is the enemy of the LeastBad. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-10 14:51 -0700
        Re: Perfection is the enemy of the LeastBad. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 15:02 -0700

#684813 — Maurice Clemmons isn't a 90 year old Japanese lady.

Michael Glasser told Steve Carroll:
> * In the context of police shootings, you said it made sense 
> to you for them to have a bias against blacks.

It's not just blacks, it's males too, the poor and crazy.
Profiling is bad, just as giving away needles is bad,
but it's better than the alternative ( dead cops, dead junkies ).

We search for the LeastBad option, hold our noses, and go for it.

From WikiPedia:

  four police officers [...] were fatally shot at 
  the Forza ( now Blue Steele ) Coffee shop [...] near Tacoma.  

  A gunman, later identified as Maurice Clemmons,
  entered the coffee shop, shot the officers who were working
  on laptops to prepare for their shifts, and fled the scene.  

  Prior to his involvement in the shooting, Clemmons 
  had at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and 
  at least eight felony charges in Washington.

  His first incarceration began in 1989, at age 17. 

  Facing sentences totaling 108 years in prison, 
  the burglary sentences were reduced in 2000 by Governor of 
  Arkansas Mike Huckabee to 47 years, which made him 
  immediately eligible for parole. 

  The Arkansas Parole Board unanimously moved to release him in 2000. 

  Clemmons was subsequently arrested on other charges 
  and was jailed several times. In the months prior to 
  the Parkland shooting, he was in jail on charges of
 
  ASSAULTING A POLICE OFFICER  AND  RAPING A CHILD . 

  One week prior to the Parkland shooting, he was released 
  from jail after posting a $150,000 bail bond.    

Note: Maurice Clemmons isn't a 90 year old Japanese lady.
      Google.COM/search?tbm=isch&q=Maurice+Clemmons

> * You showed deep ignorance about the weaknesses of using 
> a single test to judge the qualifications of an individual.

Again, it's the LeastBad option.
Hold your nose, Go for it.

> * You projected your reading comprehension 
> and drug addiction issues onto me.

Steve is a musician, maybe he likes to party.

> * When you backed yourself into a corner you reacted with anger 
> -- name calling, insults, lies, and more.

No need for that, I think.

> * you insisted Politfact has a bias    but failed to show it

They promote premises that are useful to their tribe;
compared to this, truthiness simply doesn't matter. 

> * Nit picked some wording of mine only to have me agree and offer better 
> wording, but then you went back to it picking the SAME wording!

Steve looks for humility in you two, Michael and Fabian,
knowing he won't find it; he gets off on it, somehow.

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#684814

On 5/10/18 2:03 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Michael Glasser told Steve Carroll:
>> * In the context of police shootings, you said it made sense
>> to you for them to have a bias against blacks.
> 
> It's not just blacks, it's males too, the poor and crazy.
> Profiling is bad, just as giving away needles is bad,
> but it's better than the alternative ( dead cops, dead junkies ).

If we are going to do that, will you at least be consistent and accept 
profiling in affirmative action? If you are going to assume color 
represents danger the it also represents lack of opportunity and we 
should balance that with quotas.

Personally I reject both.

> We search for the LeastBad option, hold our noses, and go for it.
> 
>  From WikiPedia:
> 
>    four police officers [...] were fatally shot at
>    the Forza ( now Blue Steele ) Coffee shop [...] near Tacoma.
> 
>    A gunman, later identified as Maurice Clemmons,
>    entered the coffee shop, shot the officers who were working
>    on laptops to prepare for their shifts, and fled the scene.
> 
>    Prior to his involvement in the shooting, Clemmons
>    had at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and
>    at least eight felony charges in Washington.
> 
>    His first incarceration began in 1989, at age 17.
> 
>    Facing sentences totaling 108 years in prison,
>    the burglary sentences were reduced in 2000 by Governor of
>    Arkansas Mike Huckabee to 47 years, which made him
>    immediately eligible for parole.
> 
>    The Arkansas Parole Board unanimously moved to release him in 2000.
> 
>    Clemmons was subsequently arrested on other charges
>    and was jailed several times. In the months prior to
>    the Parkland shooting, he was in jail on charges of
>   
>    ASSAULTING A POLICE OFFICER  AND  RAPING A CHILD .
> 
>    One week prior to the Parkland shooting, he was released
>    from jail after posting a $150,000 bail bond.
> 
> Note: Maurice Clemmons isn't a 90 year old Japanese lady.
>        Google.COM/search?tbm=isch&q=Maurice+Clemmons
> 
>> * You showed deep ignorance about the weaknesses of using
>> a single test to judge the qualifications of an individual.
> 
> Again, it's the LeastBad option.
> Hold your nose, Go for it.

Why is it the least bad option?

>> * You projected your reading comprehension
>> and drug addiction issues onto me.
> 
> Steve is a musician, maybe he likes to party.

LOL! Could be.

>> * When you backed yourself into a corner you reacted with anger
>> -- name calling, insults, lies, and more.
> 
> No need for that, I think.

Agreed.

>> * you insisted Politfact has a bias    but failed to show it
> 
> They promote premises that are useful to their tribe;
> compared to this, truthiness simply doesn't matter.

They may be biased... but he has yet to show it. He did ask me to help 
him show it, though, as he spewed his insults and accusations.

>> * Nit picked some wording of mine only to have me agree and offer better
>> wording, but then you went back to it picking the SAME wording!
> 
> Steve looks for humility in you two, Michael and Fabian,
> knowing he won't find it; he gets off on it, somehow.
> 
Carroll seeks to demonize me and blame me for all of his troubles, 
including his divorce.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#684825 — Perfection is the enemy of the LeastBad.

Michael replied ( to me ):
> > Steve looks for humility in you two, Michael and Fabian,
> > knowing he won't find it; he gets off on it, somehow.
> 
> Carroll seeks to demonize me and blame me for all of his troubles, 
> including his divorce.

You insult him to you absolve yourself, proving my point.

> > It's not just blacks, it's males too, the poor and crazy.
> > Profiling is bad, just as giving away needles is bad,
> > but it's better than the alternative ( dead cops, dead junkies ).
> 
> If we are going to do that, will you at least be consistent and accept 
> profiling in affirmative action?  If you are going to assume color 
> represents danger the it also represents lack of opportunity and we 
> should balance that with quotas.  Personally I reject both.

Perfection is the enemy of the LeastBad.
Dead Cops and Dead Junkies are one thing;
"equal outcomes", regardless of talent, Soviet style, is another.

When the BrownEyed do it, in North Korea and Nepal, SovietTards say it's wrong;
when BlueEyed Norway does it, SovietTards say it's the greatest.

> > > * You showed deep ignorance about the weaknesses of using
> > > a single test to judge the qualifications of an individual.
> > 
> > Again, it's the LeastBad option.
> > Hold your nose, Go for it.
> 
> Why is it the least bad option?

Because neither "they" ( the best schools ) nor you,
have come up with anything less bad ( e.g. CryptoCurrency grading ).

> > > * you insisted Politfact has a bias    but failed to show it
> > 
> > They promote premises that are useful to their tribe;
> > compared to this, truthiness simply doesn't matter.
> 
> They may be biased... but he has yet to show it.

They're BlueEyed SovietTards, no BrownEyes need apply;
they project their (subconscious) racism onto others.

Like Steve, I feel no need to prove this to anyone;
likewise, I feel no need to debate FlatEarthers.

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#684828 — Re: Perfection is the enemy of the LeastBad.

On 5/10/18 2:51 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Michael replied ( to me ):
>>> Steve looks for humility in you two, Michael and Fabian,
>>> knowing he won't find it; he gets off on it, somehow.
>>
>> Carroll seeks to demonize me and blame me for all of his troubles,
>> including his divorce.
> 
> You insult him to you absolve yourself, proving my point.

I noted facts about him. I also own my mistakes. When he nit picked some 
wording of mine, for example, I owned my error.

>>> It's not just blacks, it's males too, the poor and crazy.
>>> Profiling is bad, just as giving away needles is bad,
>>> but it's better than the alternative ( dead cops, dead junkies ).
>>
>> If we are going to do that, will you at least be consistent and accept
>> profiling in affirmative action?  If you are going to assume color
>> represents danger the it also represents lack of opportunity and we
>> should balance that with quotas.  Personally I reject both.
> 
> Perfection is the enemy of the LeastBad.
> Dead Cops and Dead Junkies are one thing;
> "equal outcomes", regardless of talent, Soviet style, is another.
> 
> When the BrownEyed do it, in North Korea and Nepal, SovietTards say it's wrong;
> when BlueEyed Norway does it, SovietTards say it's the greatest.

To me they are the same: if you are going to judge by color than be 
consistent. I reject doing so.

>>>> * You showed deep ignorance about the weaknesses of using
>>>> a single test to judge the qualifications of an individual.
>>>
>>> Again, it's the LeastBad option.
>>> Hold your nose, Go for it.
>>
>> Why is it the least bad option?
> 
> Because neither "they" ( the best schools ) nor you,
> have come up with anything less bad ( e.g. CryptoCurrency grading ).

I mean merely what Carroll quoted: using grades and the like. Anyone can 
have a bad day, and a great student can be a poor tester (and a poor 
student a great tester).

I happen to be a very good tester... but I know that does not mean I am 
better qualified than some poor testers.

>>>> * you insisted Politfact has a bias    but failed to show it
>>>
>>> They promote premises that are useful to their tribe;
>>> compared to this, truthiness simply doesn't matter.
>>
>> They may be biased... but he has yet to show it.
> 
> They're BlueEyed SovietTards, no BrownEyes need apply;
> they project their (subconscious) racism onto others.
> 
> Like Steve, I feel no need to prove this to anyone;
> likewise, I feel no need to debate FlatEarthers.

I have no issue with you not supporting your views... just do not expect 
me to agree with unsupported views. I am very much tied to evidence and 
support, science and data.



-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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