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  New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting storage for the grid Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 21:47 -0600
    Re: New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting storage for the grid jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-14 04:56 +0000
    Re: New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting storage for the grid benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 02:19 -0500
      Re: New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting storage for the grid jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-14 18:12 +0000
    Re: New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting storage for the grid "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 05:33 -0800

#545258 — New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting storage for the grid

New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting 
storage for the grid
> http://phys.org/news/2016-01-battery-molten-metals-low-cost-long-lasting.html
> http://cdn.phys.org/newman/csz/news/800/2016/newbatteryma.png




> A novel rechargeable battery developed at MIT could one day play a
> critical role in the massive expansion of solar generation needed to
> mitigate climate change by midcentury. Designed to store energy on
> the electric grid, the high-capacity battery consists of molten
> metals that naturally separate to form two electrodes in layers on
> either side of the molten salt electrolyte between them. Tests with
> cells made of low-cost, Earth-abundant materials confirm that the
> liquid battery operates efficiently without losing significant
> capacity or mechanically degrading—common problems in today's
> batteries with solid electrodes. The MIT researchers have already
> demonstrated a simple, low-cost process for manufacturing prototypes
> of their battery, and future plans call for field tests on
> small-scale power grids that include intermittent generating sources
> such as solar and wind.
>
> The ability to store large amounts of electricity and deliver it
> later when it's needed will be critical if intermittent renewable
> energy sources such as solar and wind are to be deployed at scales
> that help curtail climate change in the coming decades. Such
> large-scale storage would also make today's power grid more resilient
> and efficient, allowing operators to deliver quick supplies during
> outages and to meet temporary demand peaks without maintaining extra
> generating capacity that's expensive and rarely used.



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#545270

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting 
> storage for the grid
>> http://phys.org/news/2016-01-battery-molten-metals-low-cost-long-lasting.html
>> http://cdn.phys.org/newman/csz/news/800/2016/newbatteryma.png
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> A novel rechargeable battery developed at MIT could one day play a
>> critical role in the massive expansion of solar generation needed to
>> mitigate climate change by midcentury. Designed to store energy on
>> the electric grid, the high-capacity battery consists of molten
>> metals that naturally separate to form two electrodes in layers on
>> either side of the molten salt electrolyte between them. Tests with
>> cells made of low-cost, Earth-abundant materials confirm that the
>> liquid battery operates efficiently without losing significant
>> capacity or mechanically degrading?common problems in today's
>> batteries with solid electrodes. The MIT researchers have already
>> demonstrated a simple, low-cost process for manufacturing prototypes
>> of their battery, and future plans call for field tests on
>> small-scale power grids that include intermittent generating sources
>> such as solar and wind.
>>
>> The ability to store large amounts of electricity and deliver it
>> later when it's needed will be critical if intermittent renewable
>> energy sources such as solar and wind are to be deployed at scales
>> that help curtail climate change in the coming decades. Such
>> large-scale storage would also make today's power grid more resilient
>> and efficient, allowing operators to deliver quick supplies during
>> outages and to meet temporary demand peaks without maintaining extra
>> generating capacity that's expensive and rarely used.
 
Pteronophobia is the fear of being tickled by feathers. 
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#545298

On 01/13/2016 10:47 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting
> storage for the grid
>> http://phys.org/news/2016-01-battery-molten-metals-low-cost-long-lasting.html
>>
>> http://cdn.phys.org/newman/csz/news/800/2016/newbatteryma.png
>
>
>
>
>> A novel rechargeable battery developed at MIT could one day play a
>> critical role in the massive expansion of solar generation needed to
>> mitigate climate change by midcentury. Designed to store energy on
>> the electric grid, the high-capacity battery consists of molten
>> metals that naturally separate to form two electrodes in layers on
>> either side of the molten salt electrolyte between them. Tests with
>> cells made of low-cost, Earth-abundant materials confirm that the
>> liquid battery operates efficiently without losing significant
>> capacity or mechanically degrading—common problems in today's
>> batteries with solid electrodes. The MIT researchers have already
>> demonstrated a simple, low-cost process for manufacturing prototypes
>> of their battery, and future plans call for field tests on
>> small-scale power grids that include intermittent generating sources
>> such as solar and wind.
>>
>> The ability to store large amounts of electricity and deliver it
>> later when it's needed will be critical if intermittent renewable
>> energy sources such as solar and wind are to be deployed at scales
>> that help curtail climate change in the coming decades. Such
>> large-scale storage would also make today's power grid more resilient
>> and efficient, allowing operators to deliver quick supplies during
>> outages and to meet temporary demand peaks without maintaining extra
>> generating capacity that's expensive and rarely used.

Usual MIT geek nonsense.  So this battery to store all that "solar" 
power supposedly generated by mid-century needs to have a fossil fuel 
fire built under it to keep the salts and metals melted. Great thinking 
nerds! Too bad it's a really OLD idea no used for obvious reasons 
breathless idiot journalism to the contrary not withstanding.

Sam, you are so Easily impressed by a bunch of hot air.


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#545393

benj <none@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/13/2016 10:47 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting
>> storage for the grid
>>> http://phys.org/news/2016-01-battery-molten-metals-low-cost-long-lasting.html
>>>
>>> http://cdn.phys.org/newman/csz/news/800/2016/newbatteryma.png
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> A novel rechargeable battery developed at MIT could one day play a
>>> critical role in the massive expansion of solar generation needed to
>>> mitigate climate change by midcentury. Designed to store energy on
>>> the electric grid, the high-capacity battery consists of molten
>>> metals that naturally separate to form two electrodes in layers on
>>> either side of the molten salt electrolyte between them. Tests with
>>> cells made of low-cost, Earth-abundant materials confirm that the
>>> liquid battery operates efficiently without losing significant
>>> capacity or mechanically degrading?common problems in today's
>>> batteries with solid electrodes. The MIT researchers have already
>>> demonstrated a simple, low-cost process for manufacturing prototypes
>>> of their battery, and future plans call for field tests on
>>> small-scale power grids that include intermittent generating sources
>>> such as solar and wind.
>>>
>>> The ability to store large amounts of electricity and deliver it
>>> later when it's needed will be critical if intermittent renewable
>>> energy sources such as solar and wind are to be deployed at scales
>>> that help curtail climate change in the coming decades. Such
>>> large-scale storage would also make today's power grid more resilient
>>> and efficient, allowing operators to deliver quick supplies during
>>> outages and to meet temporary demand peaks without maintaining extra
>>> generating capacity that's expensive and rarely used.
> 
> Usual MIT geek nonsense.  So this battery to store all that "solar" 
> power supposedly generated by mid-century needs to have a fossil fuel 
> fire built under it to keep the salts and metals melted. Great thinking 
> nerds! Too bad it's a really OLD idea no used for obvious reasons 
> breathless idiot journalism to the contrary not withstanding.
> 
> Sam, you are so Easily impressed by a bunch of hot air.
 
For a great example of how these things work out in reality, check out
the Ivanpah solar plant just outside of Las Vegas.

Even though it is in the desert, the output is far less than expected,
it is burning huge amounts of natural gas to get the boilers started
in the morning, it is causing birds flying over it to burst into
flames, and it is a giant hazard to navigation to pilots flying in
to Las Vegas.

Your typical green disaster.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#545315

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 5:47:05 AM UTC+2, Sam Wormley wrote:
> New battery made of molten metals may offer low-cost, long-lasting 
> storage for the grid
> > http://phys.org/news/2016-01-battery-molten-metals-low-cost-long-lasting.html
> > http://cdn.phys.org/newman/csz/news/800/2016/newbatteryma.png
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > A novel rechargeable battery developed at MIT could one day play a
> > critical role in the massive expansion of solar generation needed to
> > mitigate climate change by midcentury. Designed to store energy on
> > the electric grid, the high-capacity battery consists of molten
> > metals that naturally separate to form two electrodes in layers on
> > either side of the molten salt electrolyte between them. Tests with
> > cells made of low-cost, Earth-abundant materials confirm that the
> > liquid battery operates efficiently without losing significant
> > capacity or mechanically degrading--common problems in today's
> > batteries with solid electrodes. The MIT researchers have already
> > demonstrated a simple, low-cost process for manufacturing prototypes
> > of their battery, and future plans call for field tests on
> > small-scale power grids that include intermittent generating sources
> > such as solar and wind.
> >
> > The ability to store large amounts of electricity and deliver it
> > later when it's needed will be critical if intermittent renewable
> > energy sources such as solar and wind are to be deployed at scales
> > that help curtail climate change in the coming decades. Such
> > large-scale storage would also make today's power grid more resilient
> > and efficient, allowing operators to deliver quick supplies during
> > outages and to meet temporary demand peaks without maintaining extra
> > generating capacity that's expensive and rarely used.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.
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a
quote from the above link:
quote
and they're deeply entrenched and heavily subsidized and tenacious." Making a dramatic shift in power production would require a different way of thinking about storage.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-01-battery-molten-metals-low-cost-long-lasting.html#jCp
end of quote 
=
not clear ?
is it feasible economically/practically 
or not ??

TIA
Y.Porat
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