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| Started by | 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> |
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| First post | 2016-07-03 11:02 +0000 |
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e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-07-03 11:02 +0000
e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 06:35 -0700
Re: e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-07-05 22:46 -0400
Re: e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 06:14 -0700
Re: e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-06 14:47 +0000
Re: e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 11:07 -0700
Re: e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-07-07 06:00 +0000
waves of that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 10:57 -0700
| From | 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-03 11:02 +0000 |
| Subject | e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' |
| Message-ID | <dts66hFivqiU1@mid.individual.net> |
e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' ------------------------------------------------------------------ Strange ways to think about it but an e e- pair popping up in empty space and annihilating rapidly could be viewed as a NS SN pair of magnets superimposed on each other - or a 'neutral magnetic particle' moving through space. When they collide, a pair of e and e- are exchanged to transfer momentum. That is when we see them :)
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-03 06:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <492036b1-83c8-447b-ad58-3b3bff70fdcd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #587792 |
I like it.
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| From | Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-07-05 22:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <b8ronbplqnllt0j873j3q5948a44uun7ar@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #587792 |
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:02:51 +0000, 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> wrote: >e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Strange ways to think about it but an e e- pair popping up in empty >space and annihilating rapidly could be viewed as a NS SN pair >of magnets superimposed on each other - or a 'neutral magnetic particle' >moving through space. > >When they collide, a pair of e and e- are exchanged to transfer momentum. > >That is when we see them :) Has electron/positron pair production been confirmed in a total vacuum? Couldn't it also be a photon (EM field pulse) impacting a nucleus with the electric field force "shearing off" a positive mass (positron) in one direction and a negative mass (electron) in the opposite direction? Please don't cite the tired old "no electrons or positrons in the nucleus" argument without "recanting" the observed positive (positron) and negative (electron) beta emissions. Please also do not resort to the multi-step electron producing reactions (from quarks) that "magically" create electrons/positrons where none existed before so they can be said to not reside in a nucleon (proton or neutron). This also avoids current theory's requirement to explain away the currently observed matter/antimatter imbalance in the universe. There is no such imbalance. There are equal amounts of matter and antimatter residing in each atom. Nuclear energy is obtained from de-excitation (compacting) of the nucleus after fissioning or fusing. As the positive and negative portions of the nucleus move closer together, their potential energy drops (increases in the negative direction) as their kinetic energy increases (in the positive direction) to maintain total energy of zero (since no outside force is acting on the nuclear system). Furthermore, the reverse process (electron/positron annihilation) does not have to occur. As an electron and positron approach from infinity (or even a minimal distance), their annihilation energy (combined rest energy of 2mc^2) is released as kinetic energy (2mc^2) by the time they close to within the proton radius (~0.75 e-15m). With the annihilation theory, this kinetic energy isn't accounted for in the resultant single photon's energy (2mc^2) not to mention the bidirectional EM field pulse which must be measured (a photon does not move in two directions at once - lol). Mike --------------------------------------------------- Michael J. Strickland Reston, VA ---------------------------------------------------
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-06 06:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5cb91d21-82b7-44aa-a416-867131e3f5ff@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588096 |
Mike s said: "There is no such imbalance. There are equal amounts of matter and antimatter residing in each atom. " Yes. And in each Galaxy. Opposite galactic arms are a matter-antimatter pair. At the atomic level, a "down" electron is like antimatter to an "up" electron. This is the balance always being sought. (Not "sot", HVAC- that's you.)
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-07-06 14:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nlj5lj$glh$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #588123 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> babbles: >Yes. >And in each Galaxy. >Opposite galactic arms are a >matter-antimatter pair. And your explanation of a lack of 511 keV radiation as matter stars, in their orbit around the center, move out of a matter arm into inter-arm space, and into an anti-matter arm (or vice versa) as the star encounters anti-matter interstellar gas, is what? What about galaxies with 3 arms? Why don't you ever think your kookiness through to see whether (actually, where) it all falls apart? > At the atomic >level, a "down" electron is like >antimatter to an "up" electron. This >is the balance always being sought. An anti-matter electron is a positron, with a positive charge. A positron can be "up" or "down" just like an electron, if it is in a state where these states apply. Oh wait, I forgot. You hijack terms used by scientists (such as "black hole", "neutrino" and now "antimatter", and apply them to figments of your own imagination which has nothing to do with what everyone else uses these terms for. Who knows what it is you call "antimatter". So, "never mind".
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-06 11:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d78d3ca5-c5e4-4a46-83b1-b6f0335e313e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588128 |
that's new, even if john didn't say ****, per usualatum > And your explanation of a lack of 511 keV radiation as matter stars, > in their orbit around the center, move out of a matter arm into > inter-arm space, and into an anti-matter arm (or vice versa) > as the star encounters anti-matter interstellar gas, is what? > > What about galaxies with 3 arms? > > Why don't you ever think your kookiness through to see whether > (actually, where) it all falls apart? > > > At the atomic > >level, a "down" electron is like > >antimatter to an "up" electron. This > >is the balance always being sought. > > An anti-matter electron is a positron, with a positive charge. > A positron can be "up" or "down" just like an electron, if it > is in a state where these states apply. > > Oh wait, I forgot. You hijack terms used by scientists (such as > "black hole", "neutrino" and now "antimatter", and apply them to > figments of your own imagination which has nothing to do with what > everyone else uses these terms for. Who knows what it is you call > "antimatter". So, "never mind".
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| From | 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-07 06:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <du69f5F2rtpU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #588096 |
Michael J. Strickland wrote: >>e e- pair production could be due to a 'neutral magnetic particle' >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>Strange ways to think about it but an e e- pair popping up in empty >>space and annihilating rapidly could be viewed as a NS SN pair >>of magnets superimposed on each other - or a 'neutral magnetic particle' >>moving through space. >> >>When they collide, a pair of e and e- are exchanged to transfer momentum. >> >>That is when we see them :) > > Has electron/positron pair production been confirmed in a total > vacuum? Supposedly yes. > Couldn't it also be a photon (EM field pulse) impacting a nucleus with > the electric field force "shearing off" a positive mass (positron) in > one direction and a negative mass (electron) in the opposite > direction? Then the effect of that nucleus would also be present in the in the measurements.
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-07-08 10:57 -0700 |
| Subject | waves of that |
| Message-ID | <37dac96a-25d3-42d0-826f-21dc6791c355@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #588237 |
one often confuses the ideal of l.a.s.e.r with zero-D newtonion rocks of light, but newton had no appreciable theory ... let ther b * > > Couldn't it also be a photon (EM field pulse) impacting a nucleus with > > the electric field force "shearing off" a positive mass (positron) in > > one direction and a negative mass (electron) in the opposite > > direction? > > Then the effect of that nucleus would also be present in the > in the measurements.
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