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| First post | 2016-06-07 12:16 +0000 |
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Space time could loose 2 of its dimensions near black holes 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-06-07 12:16 +0000
Re: Space time could loose 2 of its dimensions near black holes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 10:54 -0700
Re: Space time could loose 2 of its dimensions near black holes "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-10 14:10 -0700
Re: Space time could loose 2 of its dimensions near black holes "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 01:28 -0700
| From | 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-07 12:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Space time could loose 2 of its dimensions near black holes |
| Message-ID | <drns9fFrg0pU1@mid.individual.net> |
Space time could loose 2 of its dimensions near black holes ----------------------------------------------------------- Thinking of how to make space time stable near a black hole. If space time falls into a black hole, then any object in a stable orbit computed from estimated masses would inexplicably be pulled in as the space gets consumed. Somehow I don't believe that :) More likely that space loses one or more dimensions to make itself stable. A paper is 2D and wraps around a 3D sphere if it is electro statically charged. When electricity is turned off, the forces are gone and the paper is free to crumple in 3 dimensions. The same could happen to space time. As it gets compressed near a black hole surface it can lose a dimension to wrap itself around the black hole. As you travel further out from the black hole, space time can re-gain its 3rd dimension. Interestingly this condensate could also loose the time dimension. We know time slows near intense gravitational fields, but may be near black hole surfaces, the time dimension is also completely lost which is effectively saying time grinds to a halt, which isn't un-reasonable. But this kind of gradual loss of the time dimension is fatal to any ideas of time travel. There is no way to churn this space time material that is loosing one geometric and one time dimension slowly as it nears a black hole. These effects act in concert to conserve causality. There is way to churn this material as to create all the fantastic non-causal effects dreamt up in sci-fi. On the other side of the black hole surface is the firewall of light trapped there millimetres behind the black hole. Gravity intensity drops off to zero at centre of the black hole, so as you travel deeper into a black hole, the lost time and space dimension are re-gained and it would be a very violent place to be with an incredible amount of activity.
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-07 10:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f204f1f5-0b84-40a4-9456-093f23069ea5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #583526 |
like, a white-hole?... your stuff is just sylli (that is to say, merely syllogistic > On the other side of the black hole surface is the > firewall of light trapped there millimetres behind > the black hole. Gravity intensity drops off to > zero at centre of the black hole, so as you > travel deeper into a black hole, the lost time > and space dimension are re-gained and it would > be a very violent place to be with an incredible amount > of activity.
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-10 14:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4c25b137-c980-4bd4-ab87-27a8e57e1858@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #583526 |
On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 5:16:50 AM UTC-7, 7 wrote: > Space time could loose 2 of its dimensions near black holes > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Thinking of how to make space time stable near a black hole. > > If space time falls into a black hole, then any object > in a stable orbit computed from estimated masses > would inexplicably be pulled in as the space gets > consumed. > > Somehow I don't believe that :) > > More likely that space loses one or more dimensions > to make itself stable. > > A paper is 2D and wraps around a 3D sphere if it > is electro statically charged. When electricity > is turned off, the forces are gone and the paper > is free to crumple in 3 dimensions. > > The same could happen to space time. > As it gets compressed near a black hole surface it can > lose a dimension to wrap itself around the black hole. > As you travel further out from the black hole, > space time can re-gain its 3rd dimension. > > Interestingly this condensate could also loose the time > dimension. We know time slows near intense gravitational > fields, but may be near black hole surfaces, the time > dimension is also completely lost which is effectively > saying time grinds to a halt, which isn't un-reasonable. > > But this kind of gradual loss of the time dimension > is fatal to any ideas of time travel. > There is no way to churn this space time material that is > loosing one geometric and one time dimension slowly > as it nears a black hole. > These effects act in concert to conserve causality. > There is way to churn this material > as to create all the fantastic > non-causal effects dreamt up in sci-fi. > > On the other side of the black hole surface is the > firewall of light trapped there millimetres behind > the black hole. Gravity intensity drops off to > zero at centre of the black hole, so as you > travel deeper into a black hole, the lost time > and space dimension are re-gained and it would > be a very violent place to be with an incredible amount > of activity. Nice distance from a BH would be orbiting and time of one year goes by.On Earth's time 10,000 years go by.You now have a time machine WOW I like that very much O ya Trebert
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| From | "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-06-12 01:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <eaaeafa5-ec6c-47d9-a212-a958d582ed51@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #583526 |
On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 3:16:50 PM UTC+3, 7 wrote: > Space time could loose 2 of its dimensions near black holes > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Thinking of how to make space time stable near a black hole. > > If space time falls into a black hole, then any object > in a stable orbit computed from estimated masses > would inexplicably be pulled in as the space gets > consumed. > > Somehow I don't believe that :) > > More likely that space loses one or more dimensions > to make itself stable. > > A paper is 2D and wraps around a 3D sphere if it > is electro statically charged. When electricity > is turned off, the forces are gone and the paper > is free to crumple in 3 dimensions. > > The same could happen to space time. > As it gets compressed near a black hole surface it can > lose a dimension to wrap itself around the black hole. > As you travel further out from the black hole, > space time can re-gain its 3rd dimension. > > Interestingly this condensate could also loose the time > dimension. We know time slows near intense gravitational > fields, but may be near black hole surfaces, the time > dimension is also completely lost which is effectively > saying time grinds to a halt, which isn't un-reasonable. > > But this kind of gradual loss of the time dimension > is fatal to any ideas of time travel. > There is no way to churn this space time material that is > loosing one geometric and one time dimension slowly > as it nears a black hole. > These effects act in concert to conserve causality. > There is way to churn this material > as to create all the fantastic > non-causal effects dreamt up in sci-fi. > > On the other side of the black hole surface is the > firewall of light trapped there millimetres behind > the black hole. Gravity intensity drops off to > zero at centre of the black hole, so as you > travel deeper into a black hole, the lost time > and space dimension are re-gained and it would > be a very violent place to be with an incredible amount > of activity. ============================ =do you have some more nonsense to writ ========== Y.P =====================================
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