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Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes

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  Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-06-06 07:12 +0000
    Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 04:43 -0700
      Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 05:06 -0700
        Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 09:12 -0700
          Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 09:20 -0700
            Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 09:28 -0700
              Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 09:38 -0700
                Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 09:39 -0700
                  Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 11:10 -0700
                    Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 18:13 -0700
                      Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 19:04 -0700
                        Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 19:19 -0700
                          Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 07:00 -0500
                            Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 06:09 -0700
                              Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 08:42 -0500
                              Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 08:45 -0500
                                Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 07:15 -0700
                                  Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 09:19 -0500
                                    Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 07:44 -0700
                                      Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 09:53 -0500
                          Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 07:52 -0700
                            Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 10:05 -0500
                              Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 08:40 -0700
                                Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 08:52 -0700
                                  Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 11:06 -0500
                                    Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-07 13:21 -0500
                                      Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 13:28 -0500
                                        Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-07 15:16 -0500
                                          Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 15:42 -0500
                                            Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 14:45 -0700
                                              Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-07 21:30 -0400
                                                Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 18:33 -0700
                                                  Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 01:22 -0400
                                                    Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 02:21 -0700
                                                      Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 04:38 -0700
                                                        Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 05:10 -0700
                                                          Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 05:16 -0700
                                                            Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 05:19 -0700
                                                              Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 05:50 -0700
                                                                Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 09:00 -0500
                                                              Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 05:57 -0700
                                                                Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 06:00 -0700
                                                                  Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 13:54 -0400
                                                                    Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 11:08 -0700
                                                                      Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 14:59 -0400
                                                                        Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 14:10 -0500
                                                            Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 08:28 -0500
                                                              Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 12:21 -0700
                                                                Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 12:44 -0700
                                                                Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-06-08 12:50 -0700
                                                                Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 17:02 -0400
                                                          Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 14:00 -0400
                                                      Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-08 13:49 -0400
                                                    hoo boos doo noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 07:30 -0700
                                              Re: Pope hVac is the Internet's evangelist, inquisitor. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-06-07 21:32 -0400
                                            Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-07 16:56 -0500
                                              Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 17:08 -0500
                                                Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 15:57 -0700
                                                Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-07 18:17 -0500
                                                  Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 17:27 -0700
                                  Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 09:41 -0700
                      Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-07 14:58 +0000
    Re: Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 13:20 -0700

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#583284 — Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes

From7 <7@enemygadgets.com>
Date2016-06-06 07:12 +0000
SubjectGravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes
Message-ID<drkm2sF7pp6U1@mid.individual.net>
Gravitational Waves Could Split Open Black Holes
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Large black holes are unstable if gravitational
waves have a say in the matter.

The problem with large black holes that have
been around for a long time, is that nearly
all the material inside it could end up near
the event horizon trapped as light in the
firewall.

But this light still has mass and while it can
skirt about rapidly, it can end up clumping.
In very large black holes, this clumping
can be re-enforced with gravitational waves
to accompany the clumping. The different
regions of the black hole are not symmetric
and properly connected due to distances once the clumping
and gravitational waves begin to act and eventually
the gravitational waves and the clumping would amplify
until the whole structure tears itself apart.

It would be difficult for smaller black holes to
do this because different regions remain connected
until the gravitational waves are of such
a high frequency that it must be approaching
frequencies that of light itself before the
damage can be done. 

For larger black holes, the frequencies get
lower and lower until it is so low that it is
inevitable.

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#583290

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 04:43 -0700
Message-ID<adcceb91-33d9-4de4-8ae5-37ebd65aea4e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583284
There is nothing in a "hole".

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#583293

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 05:06 -0700
Message-ID<89f28ddc-2fea-41b3-829b-183b74b7ef55@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583290
john
There is nothing in a "hole". 
-----------

Interesting point John. But how can 'nothing' have mass which is observable and quantifiable?

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#583365

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 09:12 -0700
Message-ID<46c2ba80-d19d-4ff6-be56-efd2b6ff162c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583293
Because not only OUR stuff gravitates.
Everything of ours plus everything 
smaller gravitates.
There is NOTHING OUR SIZE in a BH
because it's turning too fast, but it
definitively shreds our stuff and spits it out.

Interesting thought: it might trap light- that
may be its energy source.

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#583366

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 09:20 -0700
Message-ID<003eeffc-6af9-4dde-a217-73fbebc3c6c0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583365
john
Because not only OUR stuff gravitates. 
Everything of ours plus everything 
smaller gravitates. 
There is NOTHING OUR SIZE in a BH 
because it's turning too fast, but it 
definitively shreds our stuff and spits it out. 
---------

How fast do you believe black holes spin?

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#583367

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 09:28 -0700
Message-ID<a5fb1463-8aa4-49f1-91a4-d30f82e42ce7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583366
Fast enough that the magnetic repulsion 
generated by the mutual rotation
overcomes the electric attraction
of the charge pairs and they split.
Faster than that.

Do you think ALL black holes spin, HVAC?

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#583369

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 09:38 -0700
Message-ID<c822b18b-49ee-4d25-82a8-af2c6cb7358b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583367
john
Fast enough that the magnetic repulsion 
generated by the mutual rotation 
overcomes the electric attraction 
of the charge pairs and they split. 
Faster than that. 
----------

John have you ever heard of the string and weak force?


Do you think ALL black holes spin, HVAC? 
-----------

Indeterminate, but my guess would be yes

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#583370

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 09:39 -0700
Message-ID<c84d9b5f-242a-49a9-8f78-6239cb438c53@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583369
Good guess

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#583383

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 11:10 -0700
Message-ID<24d90de6-910c-4d6e-8638-9e19cad10ab3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583370
john
Good guess 
-------

Aha! So you have evidence?

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#583443

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 18:13 -0700
Message-ID<4b209b29-1500-4695-b33b-7d256056e139@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583383
HVAC said
>>john 
>>Good guess 
------- 

>Aha! So you have evidence? 

Why would you conclude that?

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#583451

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 19:04 -0700
Message-ID<1e5f82ff-ccac-4f68-b877-8004aa0759ad@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583443
John 
>>Good guess 
------- 

>Aha! So you have evidence? 

Why would you conclude that? 
------------

Well, by saying 'good guess' you were making a quality judgement.
This implied that you have evidence upon which to base this judgement.

Or was it just going with your gut?

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#583456

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-06 19:19 -0700
Message-ID<f85e7cb7-9386-4f7e-9b88-4aa99618cf8f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583451
Oh, no.
I just think it's a better
guess than no spin.
But I would, since that's 
how a Fractal Universe would 
have to work.

Right, right?
Fist bump, bro?

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#583524

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-07 07:00 -0500
Message-ID<nj6d1m$9r0$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#583456
On 6/6/2016 9:19 PM, john wrote:
> Oh, no.
> I just think it's a better
> guess than no spin.
> But I would, since that's
> how a Fractal Universe would
> have to work.
>
> Right, right?
> Fist bump, bro?
>

In other words, any speculation that is in support of an earlier 
speculation counts as proof of both speculations. Right, John?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#583533

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-07 06:09 -0700
Message-ID<ce8d37f7-1533-44c9-bdd3-d325293787b8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583524
Odd
Do all Black Holes spin?
I say yes.
What do you say?

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#583545

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-07 08:42 -0500
Message-ID<nj6j0b$klp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#583533
On 6/7/2016 8:09 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> Do all Black Holes spin?
> I say yes.
> What do you say?
>

I doubt it. Lots of galaxies spin, but not all of them.
The reason why some spin is known.
Same reason applies to black holes.

C'mon, John, you know you can look this up. Why resist?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#583546

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-07 08:45 -0500
Message-ID<nj6j4s$klp$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#583533
On 6/7/2016 8:09 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> Do all Black Holes spin?
> I say yes.
> What do you say?
>

Try putting this into your Google search bar:
why do some galaxies rotate?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#583551

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-07 07:15 -0700
Message-ID<3013d652-6ef1-43bd-adbd-0380e65d0203@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583546
Odd- the answer as to whether
all BHs and galaxies rotate
is in books?
100% sure??

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#583553

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-07 09:19 -0500
Message-ID<nj6l66$oji$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#583551
On 6/7/2016 9:15 AM, john wrote:
> Odd- the answer as to whether
> all BHs and galaxies rotate
> is in books?

Yes. Positive.

> 100% sure??

Yup. Even on the internet.
Try googling "Do all black holes rotate?"

Or does some terror grip your heart at the prospect of doing some 
reading research?


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#583556

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-07 07:44 -0700
Message-ID<170fe7ba-f518-48c3-a636-ec41dd723c65@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#583553
And can you tell me why you believe this?

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#583559

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-06-07 09:53 -0500
Message-ID<nj6n5u$run$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#583556
On 6/7/2016 9:44 AM, john wrote:
> And can you tell me why you believe this?
>

Believe what?
That some galaxies rotate and others don't?
That some black holes rotate and others don't?
Or that the information about both of these can be found in books?
Or that the information in the books is correct?

The answer to the next-to-last question is simple, by the way. I looked 
in the books and the answer was there.
The answer to the last question is also easy: the evidence supporting 
what is in the books is also in the books.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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