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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2015-12-08 10:23 -0800 |
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There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 10:23 -0800
There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 10:51 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 13:04 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-08 22:17 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 17:54 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-08 22:57 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-08 19:15 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:27 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-09 07:20 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:56 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-09 15:11 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:38 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:41 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:48 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 04:50 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 14:08 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:51 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:54 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 17:00 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 12:35 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 18:52 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 13:01 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-09 22:15 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 15:35 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 21:55 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 15:59 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 22:13 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 20:35 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 15:33 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 01:20 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-10 08:37 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 16:07 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 15:22 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 21:13 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 19:47 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 21:51 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 22:06 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 00:04 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-10 12:32 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 11:29 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 22:02 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-11 07:48 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-11 13:54 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 22:55 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-12 07:54 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 09:16 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-12 19:47 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2015-12-13 09:06 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 07:01 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:53 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:26 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:38 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:40 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:44 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:52 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 17:27 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 12:37 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 18:01 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-09 11:38 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 12:13 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-10 12:30 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 11:26 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 12:56 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 17:42 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-09 06:42 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-11 22:39 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 19:46 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 22:50 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 09:09 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 12:07 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 15:46 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 00:01 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 08:44 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 05:53 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:59 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 22:44 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 08:38 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 16:07 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 18:45 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 15:00 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 15:13 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 18:30 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 17:45 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:47 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:40 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 12:26 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 18:03 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 09:52 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 16:01 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2015-12-10 12:03 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-10 13:11 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 15:38 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-11 14:04 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 10:59 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 13:16 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 13:27 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 17:06 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 22:58 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 12:16 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 20:05 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 04:10 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 12:55 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 15:06 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 13:58 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 00:25 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 00:23 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 20:28 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:24 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:27 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 11:32 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 10:41 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 12:43 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 16:11 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 16:28 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 22:58 -0800
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-08 10:23 -0800 |
| Subject | There Is No Edge To The Universe |
| Message-ID | <56672006.3AA7@ix.netcom.com> |
"There Is No Edge To The Universe".
How many times have you heard that?
It seems...
there is a small group of people..
in the 'scientific community'..
there is this ..belief or opinion, that
"There is no edge to the universe".
They, go as far as telling everyone
"There is no edge to the universe".
They will get together
and come up with
all kinds of explanations,
and numbers, to Why and How
"There is no edge to the universe".
It's like a mantra.
"There is no edge to the universe"
"There is no edge to the universe"
"There is no edge to the universe"
And if you disagree with them...
they will have you shot!
So, why the mantra?
Who discovered that there
is no edge to the universe?
Did they send Columbus to look??
They will have you believe that
the universe is infinite. That is just
a ploy to have you believe...
"There is no edge to the universe".
Get it? It's a con!
con
kän/
1.
persuade (someone) to do or believe something, typically by use of a deception.
noun
noun: con; plural noun: cons
1.
an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
The Question of course is...what is behind these people
from trying to convince everyone that
there is no edge to the universe?
Why are they trying to deceive you?
The truth is, they don't even want you to question it.
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-08 10:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f305be51-f9fd-446d-b9d0-b913f9e5f926@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #538029 |
What is painfully obvious is that you have no clue about relativistic effects. Go over into the bozo bin with Bert, John and BJ. Enjoy!
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-08 13:04 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <KbOdnSBO5rI2tPrLnZ2dnUU7-IGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #538029 |
On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > "There Is No Edge To The Universe". > How many times have you heard that? It is not the number of times you hear it that makes it so, but the consistency between observations and theory that make "no edge" logical and compelling. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-08 22:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n47ktn$rhn$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #538042 |
Sam Wormley > On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >> "There Is No Edge To The Universe". >> How many times have you heard that? > > > It is not the number of times you hear it that makes it so, > but the consistency between observations and theory that make "no > edge" logical and compelling. If the light seen coming from the edge of the Universe, is the old light generated at the time of Big Bang, then that light must be travelling outside this Universe, at least as far as it is from here to that edge. Just toward the opposite direction. This is remarkably, but exceedingly and surpassingly.
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| From | benj <none@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-08 17:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <fcJ9y.323437$4M.40423@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #538078 |
On 12/08/2015 05:17 PM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
> Sam Wormley
>
>> On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".
>>> How many times have you heard that?
>>
>>
>> It is not the number of times you hear it that makes it so,
>> but the consistency between observations and theory that make "no
>> edge" logical and compelling.
>
> If the light seen coming from the edge of the Universe, is the old light
> generated at the time of Big Bang, then that light must be travelling
> outside this Universe, at least as far as it is from here to that edge.
> Just toward the opposite direction. This is remarkably, but exceedingly
> and surpassingly.
>
No Big Bang.
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| From | Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-08 22:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n47n9e$vel$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #538092 |
benj >>> It is not the number of times you hear it that makes it so, >>> but the consistency between observations and theory that make "no >>> edge" logical and compelling. >> >> If the light seen coming from the edge of the Universe, is the old >> light generated at the time of Big Bang, then that light must be >> travelling outside this Universe, at least as far as it is from here to >> that edge. Just toward the opposite direction. This is remarkably, but >> exceedingly and surpassingly. >> > No Big Bang. I mean normal to the edge, but normal to the other side. Very few in Relativity are thinking at this shocking truth.
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| From | gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-08 19:15 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n47vbm$h0i$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #538093 |
On 12/8/2015 4:57 PM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote: > benj > >>>> It is not the number of times you hear it that makes it so, >>>> but the consistency between observations and theory that make "no >>>> edge" logical and compelling. >>> >>> If the light seen coming from the edge of the Universe, is the old >>> light generated at the time of Big Bang, then that light must be >>> travelling outside this Universe, at least as far as it is from here to >>> that edge. Just toward the opposite direction. This is remarkably, but >>> exceedingly and surpassingly. >>> >> No Big Bang. > > I mean normal to the edge, but normal to the other side. Very few in > Relativity are thinking at this shocking truth. > the universe is back lit for sure.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-08 21:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <AYGdnem6PrgmAvrLnZ2dnUU7-VsAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #538093 |
On 12/8/15 4:57 PM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
> I mean normal to the edge, but normal to the other side. Very few in
> Relativity are thinking at this shocking truth.
There is no edge as is shown by these first two links:
No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 07:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <dcpvidFhpdtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #538131 |
Am 09.12.2015 04:27, schrieb Sam Wormley: >> I mean normal to the edge, but normal to the other side. Very few in >> Relativity are thinking at this shocking truth. > > There is no edge as is shown by these first two links: > > No Center > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html > > Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html > > WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory > http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html > > WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology > http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html > I assume, that any object defines the centre of the universe by simply being somewhere. So: I am here and that is the centre (of MY universe). Since there are many objects, there are many centres and many universes. This 'self-centred' view seems kind of strange, but is actually what we observe. The universe we see looks precisely like the Earth would be right in the middle. Since the place of Earth is not that special, we must assume, this observation would be valid in any other possible location. So: you cannot reach the edge, since the universe would change if you try to get there. This is quite similar to the horizon, if you travel with a ship. The 'edge' is than the horizon, which is receding if you try to reach it. TH
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 08:56 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <WOWdnbH325ee3PXLnZ2dnUU7-IWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #538163 |
On 12/9/15 12:20 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Since the place of Earth is not that special, we must assume, this
> observation would be valid in any other possible location.
>
> So: you cannot reach the edge, since the universe would change if you
> try to get there.
Yours is a good valid argument, Thomas.
No Center (everywhere the center)
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 15:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n49gaj$ccc$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #538163 |
Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> writes: >Am 09.12.2015 04:27, schrieb Sam Wormley: >>> I mean normal to the edge, but normal to the other side. Very few in >>> Relativity are thinking at this shocking truth. >> >> There is no edge as is shown by these first two links: >> >> No Center >> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html >> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html >I assume, that any object defines the centre of the universe by simply >being somewhere. >So: I am here and that is the centre (of MY universe). No, it's more like asking where is the center of the surface of a balloon or where is the center of Earth's surface? Where is the center of the circumference of a circle? No, I do NOT mean the center of the Earth, a few thousand miles below your feet, I mean the center of the SURFACE of the earth. Go to a globe, point to a spot on it and say "Here is the center of the surface!" It doesn't make sense. Same as the center of the universe, just more dimensions are involved.
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| From | Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 16:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n49lev$4ni$3@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #538131 |
Sam Wormley > On 12/8/15 4:57 PM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote: >> I mean normal to the edge, but normal to the other side. Very few in >> Relativity are thinking at this shocking truth. > > There is no edge as is shown by these first two links: > > No Center > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html You are insignificant. Trying to change the subject. You are not familiar in Math Gymnastics as I can see.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 10:41 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <WOWdnar325cqxPXLnZ2dnUU7-IUAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #538209 |
On 12/9/15 10:38 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote: > Sam Wormley > >> On 12/8/15 4:57 PM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote: >>> I mean normal to the edge, but normal to the other side. Very few in >>> Relativity are thinking at this shocking truth. >> >> There is no edge as is shown by these first two links: >> >> No Center >> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html >> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html > > You are insignificant. Trying to change the subject. You are not familiar > in Math Gymnastics as I can see. > Human senses are easily fooled. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 08:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <cae5aa84-fb24-422a-8356-171972810c0d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #538212 |
On 12/9/15 10:38 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote: > Hence a Normal vector oriented outside must be > present. Sam said-There ain't no "outside", Bubba. So , for EXACTLY the same reason, the Universe can't be getting bigger. Portions of it can expand relative to other portions, but since there is nothing out there to compare it to, the whole simply remains the whole. There ain't no outside with no rulers or scales nowhere no how Bubba
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-10 04:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <dd6f2b62-d030-4a9b-a9ed-67489144672f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #538214 |
Sam said-There ain't no "outside", Bubba. So , for EXACTLY the same reason, the Universe can't be getting bigger. Portions of it can expand relative to other portions, but since there is nothing out there to compare it to, the whole simply remains the whole. There ain't no outside with no rulers ---------- Obviously John went to the same school as Bert. 'Finite yet unbounded'
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| From | benj <none@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-10 14:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <v4kay.36760$u72.32569@fx34.iad> |
| In reply to | #538378 |
On 12/10/2015 07:50 AM, HVAC wrote:
>
> Sam said-There ain't no "outside", Bubba.
> So , for EXACTLY the same reason,
> the Universe can't be getting bigger.
> Portions of it can expand relative to
> other portions, but since there is
> nothing out there to compare it to,
> the whole simply remains the whole.
> There ain't no outside with no rulers
> ----------
>
> Obviously John went to the same school as Bert.
>
> 'Finite yet unbounded'
>
Meaningless Ignorant Lib Babble.
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| From | Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 16:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n49m5h$8ba$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #538212 |
Sam Wormley > On 12/9/15 10:38 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote: >> Sam Wormley >> >>> On 12/8/15 4:57 PM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote: >>>> I mean normal to the edge, but normal to the other side. Very few in >>>> Relativity are thinking at this shocking truth. >>> >>> There is no edge as is shown by these first two links: >>> >>> No Center >>> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html >>> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html >> >> You are insignificant. Trying to change the subject. You are not >> familiar in Math Gymnastics as I can see. > > Human senses are easily fooled. Just feel free to use your senses, entirely at their max capacity. Those are you may have, afterall. If the Universe is expanding, toward what direction is this Universe expanding? Inward or Outward?
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 10:54 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <WOWdnaf325dUwfXLnZ2dnUU7-IUAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #538216 |
On 12/9/15 10:51 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
> Just feel free to use your senses, entirely at their max capacity. Those
> are you may have, afterall. If the Universe is expanding, toward what
> direction is this Universe expanding? Inward or Outward?
The expansion of space is just that (in all directions).
No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
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| From | Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 17:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n49mnk$8ba$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #538219 |
Sam Wormley > On 12/9/15 10:51 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote: >> Just feel free to use your senses, entirely at their max capacity. >> Those are you may have, afterall. If the Universe is expanding, toward >> what direction is this Universe expanding? Inward or Outward? > > The expansion of space is just that (in all directions). > No Center Nobody talks about centers, you meat head. You are weak in perception and signal processing. Allow me to ask you in a different way. Toward what direction the expanding right after big bang was performed. Heck, you are a meat head indeed. What is the word EXPANDING stands for?
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 12:35 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <WOWdnaL325fz6fXLnZ2dnUU7-IWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #538222 |
On 12/9/15 11:00 AM, Plexippus Kritikos wrote:
> Nobody talks about centers, you meat head. You are weak in perception and
> signal processing. Allow me to ask you in a different way. Toward what
> direction the expanding right after big bang was performed. Heck, you are
> a meat head indeed. What is the word EXPANDING stands for?
The expansion of space is just that (in all directions).
To help you visualize, Bubba:
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
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