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  Thirty Meter Telescope Is Dead Lester Thorpe <lt11@thorpe.info> - 2015-12-03 07:37 +0000
    Re: Thirty Meter Telescope Is Dead Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-12-03 04:12 -0500
      Re: Thirty Meter Telescope Is Dead dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-12-03 04:33 -0500
        Re: Thirty Meter Telescope Is Dead Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-12-03 18:41 -0500
      Re: Thirty Meter Telescope Is Dead Lester Thorpe <lt11@thorpe.info> - 2015-12-03 14:36 +0000
        Re: Thirty Meter Telescope Is Dead pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-12-03 16:02 -0800
    Re: Thirty Meter Telescope Is Dead Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 10:32 -0600

#537101 — Thirty Meter Telescope Is Dead

The Thirty-Meter Telescope is has been dealt a lethal blow:

http://space.io9.com/construction-permits-pulled-on-the-thirty-meter-telesco-1745857470


Progress in science has been thwarted by a mob of superstitious throwbacks.

We can thank ALL liberal social progressives, including Wormley the
champion of women in science, for this major setback.

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#537105

On 03/12/2015 2:37 AM, Lester Thorpe wrote:
> The Thirty-Meter Telescope is has been dealt a lethal blow:
>
> http://space.io9.com/construction-permits-pulled-on-the-thirty-meter-telesco-1745857470
>
>
> Progress in science has been thwarted by a mob of superstitious throwbacks.
>
> We can thank ALL liberal social progressives, including Wormley the
> champion of women in science, for this major setback.

There were already many other telescopes on that mountain. Perhaps 
enough was enough? We're going to have JWST up in space pretty soon, was 
this ground telescope really going to make a difference in the end? 
There are already plans for even larger telescopes to be built in other 
places, this telescope was going to be the largest in the world for an 
exceedingly short time.

	Yousuf Khan

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#537106

On 12/3/2015 4:12 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 03/12/2015 2:37 AM, Lester Thorpe wrote:
>> The Thirty-Meter Telescope is has been dealt a lethal blow:
>>
>> http://space.io9.com/construction-permits-pulled-on-the-thirty-meter-telesco-1745857470
>>
>>
>>
>> Progress in science has been thwarted by a mob of superstitious
>> throwbacks.
>>
>> We can thank ALL liberal social progressives, including Wormley the
>> champion of women in science, for this major setback.
>
> There were already many other telescopes on that mountain. Perhaps
> enough was enough? We're going to have JWST up in space pretty soon, was
> this ground telescope really going to make a difference in the end?
> There are already plans for even larger telescopes to be built in other
> places, this telescope was going to be the largest in the world for an
> exceedingly short time.

So, you think it's a good thing that the locals managed to yank a 
previously issued construction permit for a new telescope because there 
were other telescopes in place?

Is it possible that not enough of the $1.4 billion went into local 
pockets to keep them happy?

-- 
dvus

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#537240

On 03/12/2015 4:33 AM, dvus wrote:
> So, you think it's a good thing that the locals managed to yank a
> previously issued construction permit for a new telescope because there
> were other telescopes in place?
>
> Is it possible that not enough of the $1.4 billion went into local
> pockets to keep them happy?

Not everything is about money, at some point people's opinions, no 
matter how primitive you consider them have to be taken into account.

	Yousuf Khan

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#537121

On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 04:12:27 -0500, Yousuf Khan wrote:

> 
> There were already many other telescopes on that mountain.
>

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Sure.  I already have one history book on my bookshelf.  Why
would I ever need another?


> 
> We're going to have JWST up in space pretty soon, was 
> this ground telescope really going to make a difference in the end? 
>

Yes.


>
> There are already plans for even larger telescopes to be built in other 
> places, this telescope was going to be the largest in the world for an 
> exceedingly short time.
> 

Is the Mount Palomar Observatory still useful?  The universe is a LOT bigger
than you apparently believe.

The overriding point, however, is that the TTT has been stalled because
of primitive, superstitious nonsense that is being spewed by a tiny,
but vocal, minority.  Are we willing to suspend progressive scientific
inquiry just to accommodate a pack of anachronistic weirdos?

We may as well shut down all rocket launches, satellites, and space
exploration just because a handful of Baptist ministers claim that
such activity is a violation of God's territory.

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#537247

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 6:36:23 AM UTC-8, Lester Thorpe wrote:

> Is the Mount Palomar Observatory still useful?

Yes, it is...

http://www.astro.caltech.edu/palomar/about/telescopes/hale.html

"The Hale Telescope is used every night for astronomical research thanks to the continual development of state-of-the-art support instrumentation. Of particular interest are adaptive optics systems that correct for distortions caused by Earth's atmosphere--known as seeing, what makes stars twinkle--to deliver sharp images comparable to those produced by space telescopes from a ground-based facility. The Hale Telescope instruments provide a wide range of imaging and spectroscopic capabilities in the optical and near-infrared parts of the spectrum.

PALM-3000 is the new adaptive optics system for the Hale Telescope. The heart of the system is a deformable mirror with 3388 actuators that rapidly change the mirror shape. The reflective surface is adjusted in real-time, up to 2000 times a second, to correct for atmospheric distortions and refocus starlight into sharp images. PALM-3000 brings the optical power of the Hale Telescope closer to its diffraction limit by producing images typically 10-20 times sharper than seeing-limited instruments. It works in conjunction with other image-sharpening devices, including the Palomar High Angular Resolution Observer (PHARO), the Oxford SWIFT integral field spectrograph, and the specialized coronograph Project 1640. The ability to image extrasolar planets directly is one of the many exciting uses of the new adaptive optics instruments.

The Hale's seeing-limited imaging instruments include two wide-field cameras: the Large Format Camera (LFC) in visible light and the Wide-field Infrared Camera (WIRC) in infrared, both mounted at the prime focus of the telescope and covering 24 and 8.9 arcminutes across, respectively. The newer Cosmic Web Imager (CWI) is an imaging spectrograph that takes a large number of images at different wavelengths simultaneously to map emission from the faint intergalactic medium. The Carnegie Observatories Spectroscopic Multislit and Imaging Camera (COSMIC) is both an imaging camera and a multi-object spectrograph. Other spectrographs are the optical Double Spectrograph (DBSP) and the infrared Triple Spectrograph (TripleSpec), both mounted at the Cassegrain focus.

Instruments in development include two wide-field cameras, Chimera and WaSP, and the Stellar Double Coronagraph (SDC)."

\Paul A

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#537156

On 12/3/15 1:37 AM, Lester Thorpe wrote:
> http://space.io9.com/construction-permits-pulled-on-the-thirty-meter-telesco-1745857470
>

 From the Article:

   The construction permit for the telescope was pulled on the grounds
   that the state Board of Land and Natural Resources failed to hold
   proper hearings in response to groups protesting the telescope before
   issuing a construction permit. For now the $1.4 billion collaboration
   between Canada, China, India, Japan, and the United States is on
   hold, but this is unlikely to be the end of the story.


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