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  Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-11 17:58 +0000
    Re: Floating Point Test Suite Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 23:44 +0100
      Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-11 22:54 +0000
        Re: Floating Point Test Suite Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 00:23 +0100
    Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-11 23:16 +0000
      Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-11 23:48 +0000
        Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 00:32 +0000
        Re: Floating Point Test Suite Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 07:52 +0100
          Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 21:13 +0000
            Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 21:46 +0000
              Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 22:27 +0000
                Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 23:06 +0000
                  Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-12 23:40 +0000
                    Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 00:12 +0000
                      Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 00:24 +0000
                        Re: Floating Point Test Suite dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-13 06:10 -0500
                          Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 18:56 +0000
                          Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 20:03 +0000
                            Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 20:40 +0000
                              Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-13 20:51 +0000
                                Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 21:10 +0000
                                Re: Floating Point Test Suite benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 21:29 -0500
                                  Re: Floating Point Test Suite Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 19:35 -0800
                                    Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-14 03:56 +0000
                                      Re: Floating Point Test Suite Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 20:34 -0800
                                        Re: Floating Point Test Suite "Bob Sutter" <invalid@exampl.com> - 2015-11-14 13:40 -0800
                                      Re: Floating Point Test Suite benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-14 02:15 -0500
                              Re: Floating Point Test Suite noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 13:15 -0800
                              Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-14 03:50 +0000
                                Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-14 04:47 +0000
                                  Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-14 05:12 +0000
                                    Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-14 07:13 +0000
                                      Re: Floating Point Test Suite dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-14 19:20 -0500
                                        Re: Floating Point Test Suite Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-11-15 00:37 +0000
                                          Re: Floating Point Test Suite jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-15 00:56 +0000
                                          Re: Floating Point Test Suite dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-15 10:28 -0500
                                            Re: Floating Point Test Suite noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 10:47 -0800
                                              Re: Floating Point Test Suite dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-15 16:24 -0500
                                                Stevin "made the switching device noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 13:39 -0800
                            Re: Floating Point Test Suite "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-11-13 18:05 -0800

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#532829

Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:40:40 +0000, jimp wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Smart toilets are few and far between and a toilet has no need to use
>> floating point arithmetic; 8 bit integer arithmetic is more than
>> sufficient for such an application.
>>  
> 
> The person that writes the code for the toilet controller will
> likely use a very high level language that is not strongly typed
> and therefore all numerical quantities that are specified will
> be translated only into floating point.

The person designing the toilet will likely use one of the off the shelf
microcontrollers designed for such applications, all of which support
integer arithmetic, and some of which only support integer arithmetic
with their high level application language.

You obviously know nothing about such processors.

> You lose again.

You are wrong again and still stuck in a 70's mindset.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#532950

On 11/13/2015 03:51 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:40:40 +0000, jimp wrote:
>
>>
>> Smart toilets are few and far between and a toilet has no need to use
>> floating point arithmetic; 8 bit integer arithmetic is more than
>> sufficient for such an application.
>>
>
> The person that writes the code for the toilet controller will
> likely use a very high level language that is not strongly typed
> and therefore all numerical quantities that are specified will
> be translated only into floating point.
>
> You lose again.
>
I don't know Fabio, I turn around and check the toilet and some items 
are floating and some are not...

-- 

       ___           ___           ___            ___
      /\  \         /\  \         /\__\          /\  \
     /::\  \       /::\  \       /::|  |         \:\  \
    /:/\:\  \     /:/\:\  \     /:|:|  |     ___ /::\__\
   /::\~\:\__\   /::\~\:\  \   /:/|:|  |__  /\  /:/\/__/
  /:/\:\ \:|__| /:/\:\ \:\__\ /:/ |:| /\__\ \:\/:/  /
  \:\~\:\/:/  / \:\~\:\ \/__/ \/__|:|/:/  /  \::/  /
   \:\ \::/  /   \:\ \:\__\       |:/:/  /    \/__/
    \:\/:/  /     \:\ \/__/       |::/  /
     \::/__/       \:\__\         /:/  /
      ~~            \/__/         \/__/

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#532959

On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 9:29:30 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
> On 11/13/2015 03:51 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:40:40 +0000, jimp wrote:
> >
> >> Smart toilets are few and far between and a toilet has no need to use
> >> floating point arithmetic; 8 bit integer arithmetic is more than
> >> sufficient for such an application.
> >
> > The person that writes the code for the toilet controller will
> > likely use a very high level language that is not strongly typed
> > and therefore all numerical quantities that are specified will
> > be translated only into floating point.
> >
> > You lose again.
> >
> I don't know Fabio, I turn around and check the toilet and some items 
> are floating and some are not...

Call me silly, but that gives floating a whole new meaning. Laughing,
still I am. Flush. Why so buoyant? Flush! FLUSH!!

Fwiw Fabian, I learned much from reading your concerns/post. As Ben
and Jim pointed out earlier, very few humans code at the IEEE###
levels. Computational Physics, Numerical Analysis, great topics both,
weren't really about FP accuracy. Not explicitly, anyway. IME, they
were about estimating and improving algorithms' turn around time, so
math. Not in the Physics/Engineering departments per my experience. I
took and even passed CFD (Computaional Fluid Dynamics) only to be
painfully forced to use corporate provided applications. I hated that,
both the pain and the force. Anyhow... For some reason, it was always
better to be less, for that turn around time thing. That I couldn't
get much time on the CRAY CPUs, I did not lose any sleep over it.

> -- 
> 
>        ___           ___           ___            ___
>       /\  \         /\  \         /\__\          /\  \
>      /::\  \       /::\  \       /::|  |         \:\  \
>     /:/\:\  \     /:/\:\  \     /:|:|  |     ___ /::\__\
>    /::\~\:\__\   /::\~\:\  \   /:/|:|  |__  /\  /:/\/__/
>   /:/\:\ \:|__| /:/\:\ \:\__\ /:/ |:| /\__\ \:\/:/  /
>   \:\~\:\/:/  / \:\~\:\ \/__/ \/__|:|/:/  /  \::/  /
>    \:\ \::/  /   \:\ \:\__\       |:/:/  /    \/__/
>     \:\/:/  /     \:\ \/__/       |::/  /
>      \::/__/       \:\__\         /:/  /
>       ~~            \/__/         \/__/

-- Mahipal

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#532965

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:35:17 -0800, Mahipal wrote:

> 
> Call me silly, but that gives floating a whole new meaning. Laughing,
> still I am. Flush. Why so buoyant? Flush! FLUSH!!
> 

Are you having fun, Mahipal?

It seems that many folks on this NG are attracted to the "joys"
of scatological humor.

Me?  I gave it up after adolescence.


>
> As Ben
> and Jim pointed out earlier, very few humans code at the IEEE###
> levels.
>

Ben and Jim couldn't point out their own assholes.

(More scatology.  Enjoy.)

There are more people involved than their minuscule minds
could fathom.



>
> Computational Physics, Numerical Analysis, great topics both,
> weren't really about FP accuracy. 
>

Well, if I find out I will find out for myself.

Thank you.

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#532974

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On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 10:57:36 PM UTC-5, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:35:17 -0800, Mahipal wrote:
> 
> > Call me silly, but that gives floating a whole new meaning. Laughing,
> > still I am. Flush. Why so buoyant? Flush! FLUSH!!
> 
> Are you having fun, Mahipal?
> 
> It seems that many folks on this NG are attracted to the "joys"
> of scatological humor.
> 
> Me?  I gave it up after adolescence.

Ususally, I am no fan of the shit hitting it either. This one just
caught me by surprise. More likely, Ben was mocking your point --
floating or otherwise. But I do not profess to know what others are
thinking. I merely grant them the benefit of my doubt.

> > As Ben
> > and Jim pointed out earlier, very few humans code at the IEEE###
> > levels.
> 
> Ben and Jim couldn't point out their own assholes.
> 
> (More scatology.  Enjoy.)

C'mon Fabian, be polite. You can't, no one can, start a decent
discussion by insulting your audience, that's Trump like stupidity.

> There are more people involved than their minuscule minds
> could fathom.

Are they Physicists? Or mere greedy billionaires counting their each
and every new shiny penny? Give me, give me, GIVE ME... no, your
minimum wage will never be raised, I need more More MORE for me!!

> > Computational Physics, Numerical Analysis, great topics both,
> > weren't really about FP accuracy. 
> 
> Well, if I find out I will find out for myself.

I was there, just take my word for it. Nothing's changed.

> Thank you.

Team work my friend, in binary notation, 1 and 1 make eleven.

-- Mahipal

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#533124

Goodbye, you retarded idiot.

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#532984

On 11/13/2015 10:56 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:35:17 -0800, Mahipal wrote:
>
>>
>> Call me silly, but that gives floating a whole new meaning. Laughing,
>> still I am. Flush. Why so buoyant? Flush! FLUSH!!
>>
>
> Are you having fun, Mahipal?
>
> It seems that many folks on this NG are attracted to the "joys"
> of scatological humor.
>
> Me?  I gave it up after adolescence.

Along with thinking, obviously.

>>
>> As Ben
>> and Jim pointed out earlier, very few humans code at the IEEE###
>> levels.
>>
>
> Ben and Jim couldn't point out their own assholes.
>
> (More scatology.  Enjoy.)
>
> There are more people involved than their minuscule minds
> could fathom.

Fabio using his superpowers again! You should see him in his tight 
fitting FP MAN hero costume.

>>
>> Computational Physics, Numerical Analysis, great topics both,
>> weren't really about FP accuracy.
>>
>
> Well, if I find out I will find out for myself.
>
> Thank you.

Indeed you shall, Fabio. Indeed you shall!



-- 

       ___           ___           ___            ___
      /\  \         /\  \         /\__\          /\  \
     /::\  \       /::\  \       /::|  |         \:\  \
    /:/\:\  \     /:/\:\  \     /:|:|  |     ___ /::\__\
   /::\~\:\__\   /::\~\:\  \   /:/|:|  |__  /\  /:/\/__/
  /:/\:\ \:|__| /:/\:\ \:\__\ /:/ |:| /\__\ \:\/:/  /
  \:\~\:\/:/  / \:\~\:\ \/__/ \/__|:|/:/  /  \::/  /
   \:\ \::/  /   \:\ \:\__\       |:/:/  /    \/__/
    \:\/:/  /     \:\ \/__/       |::/  /
     \::/__/       \:\__\         /:/  /
      ~~            \/__/         \/__/

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#532827

ou, or/and la ou-est-ce

> That give a one part in 256 resolution for flush intensity, bidet sprays,
> etc.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim Pennino

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#532963

On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:40:40 +0000, jimp wrote:

> 
> Smart toilets are few and far between and a toilet has no need to use
> floating point arithmetic; 8 bit integer arithmetic is more than
> sufficient for such an application.
>  

I am not talking about some cheap off-the-shelf microcontroller.
I am considering a completely embedded computer system that
will make calculations on the fly according to continuous
feedback from sensors and actuators located in the seat, bowl,
and other appropriate places.

This embedded system will require floating point.

Whether or not such a system actually exists now is irrelevant
(I myself do not know for sure).

But such a system certainly COULD exist and most likely WILL
exist.

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#532977

Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:40:40 +0000, jimp wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Smart toilets are few and far between and a toilet has no need to use
>> floating point arithmetic; 8 bit integer arithmetic is more than
>> sufficient for such an application.
>>  
> 
> I am not talking about some cheap off-the-shelf microcontroller.
> I am considering a completely embedded computer system that
> will make calculations on the fly according to continuous
> feedback from sensors and actuators located in the seat, bowl,
> and other appropriate places.

Yep, and there are LOTS of manufacturers of off the shelf modules to
do just that.

You obviously have no clue what is out there in terms of components
to build embedded systems.

I would suppose your method would be a custom designed controller
running the total system cost so high no one could afford the
end product.
 
> This embedded system will require floating point.

Nope, just goes to show how little you know about real world
programming in general and process control in particular.

An 8 bit controller gives you one part in 256 resolution, more than
fine enough for a toilet controller.

> Whether or not such a system actually exists now is irrelevant
> (I myself do not know for sure).

No, you don't as you have never thought about such a thing, much
less implemented such a thing.

> But such a system certainly COULD exist and most likely WILL
> exist.

And has existed for decades.

A toilet could be automated with a Basic Stamp, which is one of the
oldest and simplest microcontrollers out there.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#532980

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 04:47:20 +0000, jimp wrote:

> 
> I would suppose your method would be a custom designed controller
> running the total system cost so high no one could afford the
> end product.
>  

How about Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, the king of Saudi
Arabia?

I think he might be very interested. 


> 
> just goes to show how little you know about real world
> programming in general and process control in particular.
> 

I don't want to know.

But if I wanted to know, then I'd know.

Microcontrollers are the moist boring things imaginable
and would only interest a technical-grade moron.

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#533003

Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 04:47:20 +0000, jimp wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I would suppose your method would be a custom designed controller
>> running the total system cost so high no one could afford the
>> end product.
>>  
> 
> How about Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, the king of Saudi
> Arabia?
> 
> I think he might be very interested. 
> 
> 
>> 
>> just goes to show how little you know about real world
>> programming in general and process control in particular.
>> 
> 
> I don't want to know.
> 
> But if I wanted to know, then I'd know.
> 
> Microcontrollers are the moist boring things imaginable
> and would only interest a technical-grade moron.

I on the other hand find microcontrollers, which enable one to build
real autonomous machines, to be extremely facinating.

I find watching a machine do what it supposed to do while running
the code I wrote to tell it how to function the most satisfiying
type of programming no matter what the CPU is.

You may sit in your bunker and watch the results of floating point
arithmetic flash by to your hearts content.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#533175

On 11/14/2015 2:13 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 04:47:20 +0000, jimp wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I would suppose your method would be a custom designed controller
>>> running the total system cost so high no one could afford the
>>> end product.
>>>
>>
>> How about Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, the king of Saudi
>> Arabia?
>>
>> I think he might be very interested.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> just goes to show how little you know about real world
>>> programming in general and process control in particular.
>>>
>>
>> I don't want to know.
>>
>> But if I wanted to know, then I'd know.
>>
>> Microcontrollers are the moist boring things imaginable
>> and would only interest a technical-grade moron.
>
> I on the other hand find microcontrollers, which enable one to build
> real autonomous machines, to be extremely facinating.
>
> I find watching a machine do what it supposed to do while running
> the code I wrote to tell it how to function the most satisfiying
> type of programming no matter what the CPU is.

I too enjoyed that part of my job immensely. I used to program 
microprocessors to run elevators and the best part was giving an owner 
desired features never before possible with relay logic. Give me enough 
I/O and I could make it do almost anything.

> You may sit in your bunker and watch the results of floating point
> arithmetic flash by to your hearts content.

-- 
dvus

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#533178

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:20:39 -0500, dvus wrote:

> Give me enough 
> I/O and I could make it do almost anything.
> 

Look ma!  I made the lights go on with my Raspberry Pi!

You two dweebs should be a big hit at the local maker fair,
with all the other congenital malforms.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

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#533180

Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:20:39 -0500, dvus wrote:
> 
>> Give me enough 
>> I/O and I could make it do almost anything.
>> 
> 
> Look ma!  I made the lights go on with my Raspberry Pi!
> 
> You two dweebs should be a big hit at the local maker fair,
> with all the other congenital malforms.
> 
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Says the ignorant kook that has never automated a thing in his life.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#533279

On 11/14/2015 7:37 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:20:39 -0500, dvus wrote:
>
>> Give me enough
>> I/O and I could make it do almost anything.
>>
>
> Look ma!  I made the lights go on with my Raspberry Pi!

I just remembered my wife bought me one of those for Christmas. I'll 
have to get it out and play with it.

> You two dweebs should be a big hit at the local maker fair,
> with all the other congenital malforms.

I'd rather be a congenital malform (whatever that is) than a bitter 
malcontent venting his frustrations over a disagreement about floating 
point in a Usenet group. Maybe you should get a Raspberry Pi or 
something and get some enjoyment out of life.

[snip deranged laughter]

-- 
dvus

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#533303

arbitrary-precision is available in common numbertheoeretic tOOls,
I have read, although it is slower than t**s

> point in a Usenet group. Maybe you should get a Raspberry Pi or 
> something and get some enjoyment out of life.
> 
> [snip deranged laughter]
> 
> -- 
> dvus

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#533367

On 11/15/2015 1:47 PM, noTthaTguY wrote:
> arbitrary-precision is available in common numbertheoeretic tOOls,
> I have read, although it is slower than t**s

Wot?

-- 
dvus

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#533625 — Stevin "made the switching device

I forgot the name of the shareware, but
I only do it by hand (not base_five, necessarily;
three is a gOOd one-digit approximate of pi, but
pi is always an excellent oneidgit approximate of three (before,
the switch was  made .-

> > arbitrary-precision is available in common numbertheoeretic tOOls,
> > I have read, although it is slower than t**s
> 
> Wot?
> 
> -- 
> dvus

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#532941

"Fabian Russell" <root@localhost.localdomain> aka
"Fagie Bodaisky", a Jew, who earlier masqueraded, 
unsuccessfully, as being a Chinese Geek "Bo Dai",
is in reality a rest-room attendant in a NY Bath house 
for gay kikes, who wrote: "more and more toilets are now 
incorporating microprocessors (with IEEE754) to control
such things as flush intensity, bidet sprays, and other 
features that augment the traditional rather barren toilet
"experience."
>
hanson wrote:
Fagie posted about his job environment, which precipitated
his only post, so far, in which Bodaisky is not lying which 
he usually does, when he brags about "physics" about 
which he has no idea, except for parroting buzzwords that 
he cuts and pastes from wiki.
Thanks for the laughs though.... ahahahahahanson.

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