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Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world

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  Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 13:35 -0600
    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 13:24 -0800
    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 05:46 -0800
    Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 07:27 -0800
      Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 09:07 -0800
        Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 09:15 -0800
          Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 09:46 -0800
            Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:22 -0600
            Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-14 19:49 +0000
              Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:09 -0800
                Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:14 -0600
                Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:48 -0600
                  Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:55 -0800
                    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 16:44 -0600
                  Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 13:24 -0800
                    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 16:47 -0600
                      Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 16:34 -0800
                        Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 18:53 -0600
                        Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 09:51 -0600
                    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 23:46 -0800
                Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 15:01 -0600
              Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 23:39 -0800
            Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:40 -0600
              Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 13:00 -0800
                Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 03:30 -0800
            Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 15:00 -0600
            Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 23:32 -0800
        Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:30 -0600
        Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:59 -0600
      Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 12:43 -0500
      Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 23:28 -0800
    Re: Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 20:43 -0800

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#545470

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 15:01 -0600
Message-ID<u9CdnWfu6N0HkQXLnZ2dnUU7-b3OydjZ@giganews.com>
In reply to#545434
On 1/14/16 2:09 PM, john wrote:
> I cannot believe how stupid that is.
>



   John--Gravitational waves are disturbances in the fabric of
   spacetime. If you drag your hand through a still pool of water,
   you'll notice that waves follow in its path, and spread outward
   through the pool. According to Albert Einstein, the same thing
   happens when heavy objects move through spacetime.



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#545579

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 23:39 -0800
Message-ID<99ef70cc-8d98-4298-8596-4a820f45cbad@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#545428
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 9:49:34 PM UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >So, you think a gravity wave is a
> >travelling region of 'warped' space,
> >where, as it travels through, things
> >are alternately pushed together 
> >and then pulled apart
> >or just briefly pulled in some direction,
> >or experience some kind of
> >expansion or contraction?
> 
> It works much like a radio wave and an electron.
> 
> Imagine an electron in free space minding its own business.  Along comes a
> radio wave.  The electric field in the radio wave will jiggle the electron
> up and down.  Place a wire there and the electrons in it do the same, and 
> now you have an antenna.

=============
does according to you
-gravitational waves'
move in straight lines
or in 'curved lines ??..

TIA
Y.Porat
=================================

 

> 
> Now replace the electron with a mass, and the radio wave with a 
> gravitational wave.  The gravitational wave will jiggle the mass up and 
> down in much the same way.
> 
> Oversimplification?  Yes, but so be it.
> 
> >What?
> >Why?
> 
> Why? Because the physics of relativity predicts it.  Soon we will know if
> this part of relativity is correct.  That's how science works.
> 
> If you are still confused about the behavior of waves, how about thinking
> of a cork floating in water when a water wave comes by.

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#545459

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 14:40 -0600
Message-ID<n7913r$kdq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#545383
On 1/14/2016 11:46 AM, john wrote:
> So, you think a gravity wave is a
> travelling region of 'warped' space,
> where, as it travels through, things
> are alternately pushed together
> and then pulled apart
> or just briefly pulled in some direction,
> or experience some kind of
> expansion or contraction?

Alternately pushed together and pulled apart,
and experience an expansion and contraction. Yes, both.
See the solid bar experiments by the likes of Weber.

> What?
> Why?

Read!


-- 
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#545468

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 13:00 -0800
Message-ID<ee9caa1c-2c31-4ff4-9c38-232c6f877059@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#545459
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 12:40:44 PM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 1/14/2016 11:46 AM, john wrote:
> > So, you think a gravity wave is a
> > travelling region of 'warped' space,
> > where, as it travels through, things
> > are alternately pushed together
> > and then pulled apart
> > or just briefly pulled in some direction,
> > or experience some kind of
> > expansion or contraction?
> 
> Alternately pushed together and pulled apart,
> and experience an expansion and contraction. Yes, both.
> See the solid bar experiments by the likes of Weber.
> 
> > What?
> > Why?
> 
> Read!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

GOPers plant rumors.When you hear one its a big lie.Tell lies continually and people start believing them.LIGO,Water on Mars,and the Micky Mouse shuttles prove this reality. Killing JFK,Bobby,King and so many others.Bush giving $13 .5 trillion to bankers(Goldman Sax,Bank America,Chase.Capital etc. Giving Tax breaks so our factories will be in China Etc. Prove is todays stock market.Why the billionaires are investing in Germany.Swiss Frank,and polling out of USA.In reality it all started with Nixon.Kissenger,and top GOP Mafia gun Walter Annenberg(Palm springs Ca.) All covered up now by are not free anymore press

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#545589

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-15 03:30 -0800
Message-ID<e4631e6b-97ba-4f99-b720-0fb64e53b158@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#545468
GOPers plant rumors.When you hear one its a big lie.Tell lies continually and people start believing them.LIGO,Water on Mars,and the Micky Mouse shuttles prove this reality. Killing JFK,Bobby,King and so many others.Bush giving $13 .5 trillion to bankers(Goldman Sax,Bank America,Chase.Capital etc. Giving Tax breaks so our factories will be in China Etc. Prove is todays stock market.Why the billionaires are investing in Germany.Swiss Frank,and polling out of USA.In reality it all started with Nixon.Kissenger,and top GOP Mafia gun Walter Annenberg(Palm springs Ca.) All covered up now by are not free anymore press 
----------

So LIGO is a government conspiracy started by George Bush.

How could I have missed it!

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#545469

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 15:00 -0600
Message-ID<u9CdnWTu6N3mkQXLnZ2dnUU7-b3OydjZ@giganews.com>
In reply to#545383
On 1/14/16 11:46 AM, john wrote:
> So, you think a gravity wave is a
> travelling region of 'warped' space,
> where, as it travels through, things
> are alternately pushed together
> and then pulled apart
> or just briefly pulled in some direction,
> or experience some kind of
> expansion or contraction?
> What?
> Why?
>




   John--Gravitational waves are disturbances in the fabric of
   spacetime. If you drag your hand through a still pool of water,
   you'll notice that waves follow in its path, and spread outward
   through the pool. According to Albert Einstein, the same thing
   happens when heavy objects move through spacetime.



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#545578

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 23:32 -0800
Message-ID<d9edfeda-28fb-4fcf-9faa-adc81c493fd8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#545383
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 7:46:24 PM UTC+2, john wrote:
> So, you think a gravity wave is a
> travelling region of 'warped' space,
> where, as it travels through, things
> are alternately pushed together 
> and then pulled apart
> or just briefly pulled in some direction,
> or experience some kind of
> expansion or contraction?
> What?
> Why?

============================
see   Google 
'The Y Circlon mechanism '

TIA
Y.Porat
==================================

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#545454

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 14:30 -0600
Message-ID<n790gl$j5b$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#545365
On 1/14/2016 11:07 AM, john wrote:
> HVAC
> What's waving?

Spacetime. I think I've answered this before, several times, and you've 
said nothing. So please explain why you're asking again.

> Why is it waving?
>


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#545467

FromSam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 14:59 -0600
Message-ID<u9CdnWXu6N3SkQXLnZ2dnUU7-b3OydjZ@giganews.com>
In reply to#545365
On 1/14/16 11:07 AM, john wrote:
> HVAC
> What's waving?
> Why is it waving?
>


   John--Gravitational waves are disturbances in the fabric of
   spacetime. If you drag your hand through a still pool of water,
   you'll notice that waves follow in its path, and spread outward
   through the pool. According to Albert Einstein, the same thing
   happens when heavy objects move through spacetime.



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#545381

Frombenj <none@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 12:43 -0500
Message-ID<x7Rly.102199$hF6.89476@fx38.iad>
In reply to#545345
On 01/14/2016 10:27 AM, HVAC wrote:
>
>> The discovery would open a new window on the universe by showing
>> scientists for the first time that gravitational waves exist, in
> places such as the edge of black holes at the beginning of time,
> filling in a major gap in our understanding of how the universe was born.
> ------------
>
> People need to be made aware that ligo is another space telescope.
> It doesn't see in visible light. It doesn't see in X-ray or radio.
> It is an entirely new view of the universe. It will (hopefully) show us objects and events in space that we cannot even imagine at this point. That is the siren call of pure research... To discover things that we do not know we are missing.
>
> Luddites and chuckleheads here like Bert and his buddy, BJ, will stand against this. We need to continue on with our work and then point at them and laugh. They are irrelevant
>
So why do you say I am against LIGO? I never said that. Bert is against 
LIGO and against waves in gravity. Bert is an idiot. I am FOR all 
experiments even the ones you are totally against.

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#545577

From"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 23:28 -0800
Message-ID<8da00763-1a16-44ee-9731-4a418460d928@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#545345
On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 5:27:37 PM UTC+2, HVAC wrote:
> > The discovery would open a new window on the universe by showing 
> > scientists for the first time that gravitational waves exist, in 
> places such as the edge of black holes at the beginning of time, 
> filling in a major gap in our understanding of how the universe was born. 
> ------------
> 
> People need to be made aware that ligo is another space telescope.
> It doesn't see in visible light. It doesn't see in X-ray or radio.
> It is an entirely new view of the universe. It will (hopefully) show us objects and events in space that we cannot even imagine at this point. That is the siren call of pure research... To discover things that we do not know we are missing.
> 
> Luddites and chuckleheads here like Bert and his buddy, BJ, will stand against this. We need to continue on with our work and then point at them and laugh. They are irrelevant

================================
now i have a ''little question :

IS THE DENSITY OF 'DARK MATTER 
IS **EVENLY SPREAD ALL ALONG/AROUND  SPACE 
OR ELSE
IT HAS DIFFERENT 
**DIFFERENT DENSITIES IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN SPACE ???
----------------
(MORE  NECESSARY!! QUESTIONS WILL FOLLOW LATER ...
CAN ANYONE GUESS WHAT WILL BE THE FLOWING QUESTIONS ?
-----------------------
 TIA
Y.Porat
================================
=================================

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#545561

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2016-01-14 20:43 -0800
Message-ID<c3b4c102-e7ea-4e39-8eb7-e1097cc4dc33@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#545140
On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 11:35:39 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Gravitational wave rumors ripple through science world
> > http://phys.org/news/2016-01-gravitational-rumors-ripple-science-world.html
> 
> 
> > If gravitational waves have been spotted, it would confirm a final
> > missing piece in what Albert Einstein predicted a century ago in his
> > theory of general relativity.
> >
> > The discovery would open a new window on the universe by showing
> > scientists for the first time that gravitational waves exist, in
> > places such as the edge of black holes at the beginning of time,
> > filling in a major gap in our understanding of how the universe was
> > born.
> >
> > A team of scientists on a project called BICEP2 (Background Imaging
> > of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization) announced in 2014 that they had
> > discovered these very ripples in space time, but soon admitted that
> > their findings may have been just galactic dust.
> >
> > A spokeswoman for the LIGO collaboration, Gabriela Gonzalez, was
> > quoted in The Guardian as saying there is no announcement for now.
> >
> > "The LIGO instruments are still taking data today, and it takes us
> > time to analyze, interpret and review results, so we don't have any
> > results to share yet," said Gonzalez, professor of physics and
> > astronomy at Louisiana State University.
> >
> 

"Gravitational wave" detected could be a number of 
different things in terms of cosmological motions.

(And, it's probably not a "gravitational wave".)

There's been microlensing anomalies noticed optically 
(between the Earth and the Sun) at least since the 
'90's, along the same lines.

No, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do 
with ramping up to 0.5c, dumping off the shroud, 
and landing here.

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