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| Started by | "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2018-12-27 13:28 -0800 |
| Last post | 2019-01-01 23:47 -0600 |
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What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 13:28 -0800
What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2018-12-27 14:56 -0800
Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-12-27 15:05 -0800
Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2019-01-01 06:49 -0800
Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 17:28 -0800
Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-01 20:42 -0800
Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-03 15:13 -0800
Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 13:01 -0800
Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 16:39 -0800
Gravity is slowly dying, R.I.P. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-12-28 17:04 -0800
Re: Gravity is slowly dying, R.I.P. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 18:13 -0700
Re: Gravity is slowly dying, R.I.P. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-12-30 14:27 -0800
Everything dies; gravity is no exception. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2018-12-30 14:47 -0800
Re: Everything dies; gravity is no exception. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 10:50 -0800
The hot dense sun evaporates into the cold vacuum. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2019-01-01 14:21 -0800
Re: Everything dies; gravity is no exception. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 13:41 -0500
Re: Everything dies; gravity is no exception. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 11:28 -0800
Re: Gravity is slowly dying, R.I.P. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-02 00:15 +0000
What doesn't evaporate, sublimate, and degrade ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2019-01-01 16:48 -0800
Re: What doesn't evaporate, sublimate, and degrade ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-02 05:14 +0000
A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2019-01-01 23:51 -0800
Re: A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity. Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> - 2019-01-02 11:02 -0600
Re: A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-03 15:46 +0000
There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2019-01-03 14:38 -0800
Re: There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-03 23:53 +0000
Zero kinetic energy. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2019-01-03 17:34 -0800
Re: Zero kinetic energy. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-04 16:22 +0000
Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2019-01-04 14:48 -0800
Re: Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-04 23:45 +0000
The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2019-01-04 16:35 -0800
Re: The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 01:24 +0000
Re: There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 17:05 -0700
Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-12-28 20:37 -0800
What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 17:46 -0800
Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 16:52 -0800
Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-01 23:47 -0600
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2019-01-01 23:51 -0800 |
| Subject | A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.1--11.51pm.Seattle.2019> |
| In reply to | #722024 |
Michael replied: > > a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy, but none of the > > "eXergy" ( a type of energy that can do work, force * distance ). > > I have no issue with the heat death of the universe. Good because if you don't understand death, then you don't understand life, and you can't function properly. > > Gravity is residual exergy. > > That is simply crap you made up. A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity; "work" ( force * distance ) isn't possible. Compressing our solar system to the size of a baseball, as it once was, long ago, gives it less entropy and more exergy/gravity. If entropy didn't go up, naturally, and exergy/gravity didn't go down, naturally, our time-scape wouldn't exist.
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| From | Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner ๐ถ็ฌ <root@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2019-01-02 11:02 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity. |
| Message-ID | <6uednRDGOrkoc7HBnZ2dnUU7-d_NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #722037 |
On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 23:51:48 -0800 (Seattle), LO AND BEHOLD; Jeff-Relf.Me @. determined that the following was of great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in <Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.1--11.51pm.Seattle.2019>: โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก Michael replied: โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy, but none of the โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก "eXergy" ( a type of energy that can do work, force * distance ). โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก I have no issue with the heat death of the universe. โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก Good because if you don't understand death, then you don't understand โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก life, and you can't function properly. โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก Gravity is residual exergy. โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก That is simply crap you made up. โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity; "work" ( force * โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก distance ) isn't possible. โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก Compressing our solar system to the size of a baseball, as it once was, โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก long ago, gives it less entropy and more exergy/gravity. โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก If entropy didn't go up, naturally, and exergy/gravity didn't go down, โกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโกโก naturally, our time-scape wouldn't exist. entropy going "up" has nothing to do with us calling the direction that gravity pulls "down". in fact, if you take note of accepted physics, gravity pulls toward the CENTER of a mass tangential to it's surface (esp. for planet-sized masses with evolved monkeys on it's surface). -- [THIS POAST HAS PASSED TRIMCHECKยฎ VALIDATION] THIS SPACE FOR RENT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6B8jGSdLA "Thanks to muzzies and their apologist-enablers like puppy whistle, this seems to be the new norm in the world. It's spreading like a cancer, and it's time we admit we're at war with pure evil. We need to put an end to this muzzie plague, or life on Earth is going to become pure hell everywhere. We need to get these people out of every civilized country, and there's only one way to do it. IOW, we have to become like them, with an emphasis on expediency over cruelty." - Checkmate (of alt.checkmate) "Pussy Willow has just proven that Trump's crackdown on previously unenforced immigration policies is working. We'll deal with the domestic terrorists as needed, but we don't need to be letting the muzzie terrorists get a foothold in our country too. One need only look at what they're doing in Europe right now to know we're doing the right thing by keeping them out, which is our right and our duty. - Checkmate (#1 pussy willow fan) - "You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor - "If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode - "I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfefd18c9a698f0a8@news.altopia.com> - Golden Killfile, June 2005 KOTM, November 2006 Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006 Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006 Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007 Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006 Busted Urinal Award, April 2007 Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007 Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006 Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008 Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007 AUK Mascot, September 2007 Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2019-01-03 15:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity. |
| Message-ID | <q0lans$mm4$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #722037 |
Jeff-Relf.Me @. writes: >Michael replied: >> > a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy, but none of the >> > "eXergy" ( a type of energy that can do work, force * distance ). >> >> I have no issue with the heat death of the universe. >Good because if you don't understand death, >then you don't understand life, >and you can't function properly. >> > Gravity is residual exergy. >> >> That is simply crap you made up. >A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity; No exergy, yes. >"work" ( force * distance ) isn't possible. Force would tend toward zero as the universe expands and everything becomes infinitely far apart. Gravity force is inversely proportional to the distance squared. This doesn't mean gravity is weaker, it just means the distance increases. Meanwhile the potential energy increases (to a limit, at infinity) just as lifting a rock increases its gravitational potential energy. >Compressing our solar system to the size of a baseball, >as it once was, long ago, >gives it less entropy and more exergy/gravity. Had less entropy and more exergy, yes. >If entropy didn't go up, naturally, >and exergy/gravity didn't go down, naturally, >our time-scape wouldn't exist. Again, not correct, only exergy will decrease. Also the heat death is a statistical effect, there is no actual law of nature that requires it, beyond statistics. It's just that when you have a system of high energy (temperature) stuff and low temperature stuff, the most likely effect (by far) is both sides become a uniform temperature, possibly driving a heat engine in the process. I haven't figured out how the fact that an expanding open universe, like ours, having constantly increasing (toward a limit) gravitational potential energy jibes with an eventual heat death. Perhaps it is possible that a heat death could have potential energy that can _never_ be used as exergy. But my point simply is there is no connection between the statistics that drive toward a heat death and the gravitational constant G. It is a constant.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2019-01-03 14:38 -0800 |
| Subject | There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.3--2.38pm.Seattle.2019> |
| In reply to | #722136 |
Michael replied: > [ a uniform heat bath universe might ] > have potential energy that can _never_ be used as exergy. There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe; so you can't fall down; kinetic energy isn't possible. > But my point simply is there is no connection between > the statistics that drive toward a heat death > and the gravitational constant G. It is a constant. So ?! Big G is irrelevant in a uniform heat bath universe.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2019-01-03 23:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe. |
| Message-ID | <q0m7af$crb$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #722150 |
Jeff-Relf.Me @. writes: >Michael replied: >> [ a uniform heat bath universe might ] >> have potential energy that can _never_ be used as exergy. >There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe; >so you can't fall down; kinetic energy isn't possible. Yet there's still "stuff" separated from each other which would supply energy if somehow they could recombine. But it can't. This is the apparent contradiction, can there be potential energy because of gravity in a heat-dead universe if it can never be used? All that potential energy of stuff infinitely far apart. >> But my point simply is there is no connection between >> the statistics that drive toward a heat death >> and the gravitational constant G. It is a constant. >So ?! Big G is irrelevant in a uniform heat bath universe. Wait a minute, you keep posting stuff like "gravity is dying off" or "gravity is slowly dying". What does that mean, if not Big G is decreasing to zero?
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2019-01-03 17:34 -0800 |
| Subject | Zero kinetic energy. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.3--5.34pm.Seattle.2019> |
| In reply to | #722166 |
Michael replied:
> > Big G is irrelevant in a uniform heat bath universe.
>
> Wait a minute, you keep posting stuff like "gravity is dying off"
> or "gravity is slowly dying". What does that mean,
> if not Big G is decreasing to zero?
General Relativity's G is a constant, of course;
no matter, "a uniform heat bath universe" has:
No curvature, No exergy, No "down".
Wikipedia says:
"The Big Freeze" is a scenario under which
continued expansion results in a universe that
asymptotically approaches absolute zero temperature.
This scenario, in combination with the Big Rip scenario,
is currently gaining ground as the most important hypothesis.
In other words: Zero kinetic energy.
WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2019-01-04 16:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Zero kinetic energy. |
| Message-ID | <q0o17i$k54$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #722171 |
Jeff-Relf.Me @. writes: >Michael replied: >> > Big G is irrelevant in a uniform heat bath universe. >> >> Wait a minute, you keep posting stuff like "gravity is dying off" >> or "gravity is slowly dying". What does that mean, >> if not Big G is decreasing to zero? >General Relativity's G is a constant, of course; So what was all that about "gravity is slowly dying" then?
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2019-01-04 14:48 -0800 |
| Subject | Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.4--2.48pm.Seattle.2019> |
| In reply to | #722203 |
Michael replied:
> > General Relativity's G is a constant, of course;
>
> So what was all that about "gravity is slowly dying" then?
I'm just repeating myself, I don't know how you could possibly
fail to understand what I'm talking about; to wit:
Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off.
In "The Big Freeze" there's no kinetic energy,
much less gravitational energy. There's no "down" direction.
WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2019-01-04 23:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off. |
| Message-ID | <q0or72$ieo$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #722231 |
Jeff-Relf.Me @. writes: >Michael replied: >> > General Relativity's G is a constant, of course; >> >> So what was all that about "gravity is slowly dying" then? >I'm just repeating myself, I don't know how you could possibly >fail to understand what I'm talking about; to wit: > Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off. It's not dying off if Big G is unchanging. It will just be less relevant over time, at some time in the future.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2019-01-04 16:35 -0800 |
| Subject | The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.4--4.35pm.Seattle.2019> |
| In reply to | #722236 |
Michael replied: > > Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off. > > It's not dying off if Big G is unchanging. It will just be > less relevant over time, at some time in the future. The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero. "The Big Freeze" has no kinetic energy, much less gravitational energy. There's no "down" direction. WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2019-01-05 01:24 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero. |
| Message-ID | <q0p10n$46n$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #722239 |
Jeff-Relf.Me @. writes: >Michael replied: >> > Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off. >> >> It's not dying off if Big G is unchanging. It will just be >> less relevant over time, at some time in the future. >The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero. As I mentioned earlier the gravitational _energy_ of our universe is actually increasing, as it expands and the energy of dark energy/the motion of galaxy clusters is converted into gravitational potential energy. This will remain true even if protons decay/black holes evaporate since gravity acts on all energy, not just mass. This is why I mentioned the possibility of unusable potential energy. I don't know of any mechanism that can dissipate/use this potential energy which is in theory could provide exergy. The _force_ approaches zero as distance increase, but the total energy increases to a finite limit.
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| From | % <persent@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-03 17:05 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe. |
| Message-ID | <bsith8.cvn.19.1@news.alt.net> |
| In reply to | #722150 |
On 2019-01-03 3:38 p.m., Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > Michael replied: >> [ a uniform heat bath universe might ] >> have potential energy that can _never_ be used as exergy. > > There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe; > so you can't fall down; kinetic energy isn't possible. > >> But my point simply is there is no connection between >> the statistics that drive toward a heat death >> and the gravitational constant G. It is a constant. > > So ?! Big G is irrelevant in a uniform heat bath universe. > you would know
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| From | "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> |
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| Date | 2018-12-28 20:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <q06tmt$oig$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #721344 |
"homo-reber G=emc^2" <herbertgay-lazier0@gmail.com> is a STUPID, self-anointed vagrant & a homeless bum, who lives in & shits into a bucket in a stinky old Van", says Bert , who added: > " Its nice to be nice.Give your fellow man a helping hand" which in SwineBert's case is Bert's Fetish to shit into other posters mouth <http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg> & says: "open wide" and then... to have them murdered in the name of, <http://tinyurl.com/The-Chosen-Graveyard-Vandal> so that Hate Monger SwineBert can piss onto their graves. > "Why am I posting this, it's making me cry as it always does". Bert > ______ "Why am I not loved by all?". Bert. _________ > __ "I park, bark & fart in the dark. Bert" __ "That is a given". Bert > "I'm a low-wit, stupid shit and always very full of it." O ya. Bert." "Being Jewish I know this is so very true". "I'm very depressed". Bert "It's a Pity". "Get the picture", "Go figure", "O ya", Bert..... > & see Bert's lifetime-achievement which is unkosherly detailed in <http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier-s-REAL-intent> O ya. Bert.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-12-27 17:46 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <79f4b190-4a1b-44ba-8974-b8f615777120@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #721152 |
Big Hole Theory.
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| From | mitchrae3323@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2018-12-30 16:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ecad92df-613e-44a6-b23a-fb1bd128a90d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #721152 |
On Thursday, December 27, 2018 at 1:28:56 PM UTC-8, reber G=emc^2 wrote: > This is not bad thinking since we know gravity is a one way in force.Universe so big,and galaxies so far apart.We know red light is in and with this we go with expansion.Still gravity tells me to think in this falling in posibility.How say you? Bert Do we see the universe contracting? We see the opposite. Should we not count on what has already been observed? Is expansion slowing down? Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2019-01-01 23:47 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <q0hja3$1ep3$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #721152 |
On 12/27/2018 3:28 PM, reber G=emc^2 wrote: > This is not bad thinking since we know gravity is a one way in force.Universe so big,and galaxies so far apart.We know red light is in and with this we go with expansion.Still gravity tells me to think in this falling in posibility.How say you? Bert > no falling in, or out => falling down is the way. no falling up either
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