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  Yesterday I attend a class... Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 10:03 -0500
    Re: Yesterday I attend a class... Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-09-22 15:20 +0000
      Re: Yesterday I attend a class... Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 18:16 +0200
    Re: Yesterday I attend a class... jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-22 18:25 +0000
      Re: Yesterday I attend a class... john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-22 16:04 -0700
        Re: Yesterday I attend a class... jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-09-22 23:23 +0000
          Re: Yesterday I attend a class... "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 14:08 -0700
            Re: Yesterday I attend a class... john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 14:47 -0700
            Re: Yesterday I attend a class... Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-09-23 21:56 +0000
              Re: Yesterday I attend a class... john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 18:38 -0700
            Re: Yesterday I attend a class... benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 01:46 -0400

#522687 — Yesterday I attend a class...

   Yesterday I attended a class taught by Extension Climatologist,
   Elwynn Taylor. Elwynn pointed out that because of warmer nights.
   the number of days from silking to maturity are shortened resulting
   in lower corn (and soybean) yields. This is true of many plants.

   Many blindly think that increased CO2 and increased temperatures
   are beneficial to plants. One has to look at the actual data!

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#522688

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:03:49 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:

> because of warmer nights.
> the number of days from silking to maturity are shortened resulting
> in lower corn (and soybean) yields.
>

The majority of corn and soybeans produced are used to feed the
gigantic herds of cattle which in turn are used as meat for human
consumption.

The energy loss through this conversion, from plants to meat, is
90%.  That's NINETY PERCENT.

If humans were to exclude meat from their diet then the yield loss
due to warmer nights would be insignificant.

However, humans will fight to the death for their hamburgers.
When will the first meat wars begin?

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#522690

On 09/22/2015 05:20 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> The majority of corn and soybeans produced are used to feed the
> gigantic herds of cattle which in turn are used as meat for human
> consumption.
> 
> The energy loss through this conversion, from plants to meat, is
> 90%.  That's NINETY PERCENT.
> 
> If humans were to exclude meat from their diet then the yield loss
> due to warmer nights would be insignificant.

Rather, the human population has already crossed
a reasonable sustainable limit.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes a great man humble, but a small man arrogant.

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#522702

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   Yesterday I attended a class taught by Extension Climatologist,
>   Elwynn Taylor. Elwynn pointed out that because of warmer nights.
>   the number of days from silking to maturity are shortened resulting
>   in lower corn (and soybean) yields. This is true of many plants.
> 
>   Many blindly think that increased CO2 and increased temperatures
>   are beneficial to plants. One has to look at the actual data!

Did anyone bother to look at the fact that for quick growing crops,
warmer weather means you can get an additional planting?

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#522741

There are already militant vegans
in Europe demanding an end to
enslavement and consumption of
fellow sentient beings.

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#522748

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are already militant vegans
> in Europe demanding an end to
> enslavement and consumption of
> fellow sentient beings.

Yeah, most of the vegans I've met are about as smart as a chicken.

Perhaps they can find a future in training mountain lions not to
eat Bambi.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#522892

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 4:31:07 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There are already militant vegans
> > in Europe demanding an end to
> > enslavement and consumption of
> > fellow sentient beings.
> 
> Yeah, most of the vegans I've met are about as smart as a chicken.
                                                            ^^^^^^^
  You misspelled "carrot".

> Perhaps they can find a future in training mountain lions not to
> eat Bambi.

  You know, plants exhibit most, if not all, of the qualities lumped under the term "sentience".

  Vegans tend to devour their prey alive- we carnivores have the decency to kill our prey first.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#522898

Both of you- enjoy your declining years-
I know that I am- was out playing
frisbee with the 20 year olds last week-
then did some trampolining-
hiking in the hills today for several
miles with the dogs- haven't done ANY
regular workout for more than a year,
but checked how many full-hang pull-ups
I can still do the other day- down to 7
from 14 this time last year-  :(  -shitty!!
- but not as shitty as the only
pull-up YOU probably know anything
about- the one in your pants.
Meanwhile- I haven't used ANY
painkillers, antihistamines, antibiotics,
etc for 10 years. Still got NO problem
getting it up. Can sprint , can take
stairs 2, 3 at a time without even
breathing hard.
How's YOUR miserable, arthritic,
hypertensive, limp-dicked life
asshole carnivores?

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#522900

On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 14:08:08 -0700, nuny@bid.nes wrote:

> 
> You know, plants exhibit most, if not all, of the qualities lumped under
> the term "sentience".
> 

Where'd you pick up this malarkey?

Plants are not sentient.  Sentience has arisen out of motility.  A nervous
system (and brain) are required to control motility and sentience has arisen
out of that control modality.

Plants are not motile.  They have no motile elements (musculature) and the
necessary nervous control thereof.

(Don't mention the Venus Flytrap.  That's not the same as true motility.)


>
> Vegans tend to devour their prey alive- we carnivores have the decency
> to kill our prey first.
> 

Unless you are a hyena.  Or how about the Maasai people of Africa?
They will regularly "tap" the arteries of their cattle for a fresh
drink of blood.

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#522914

The Russians had some plants
attached to detectors in one
experiment where several 
identically-clothed people came through
and one of them cut one of the
plants' leaves.
Then, when the same person came
through later, that plant showed a
reaction.
The original tree-huggers, the Bishnois
of India, are vegan, but somehow
avoid killing any plants by only using
the parts that are cast off. Don't ask
me how.
When you chop up an onion, isn't it
"dead" at that point?

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#522942

On 09/23/2015 05:08 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 4:31:07 PM UTC-7, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There are already militant vegans
>>> in Europe demanding an end to
>>> enslavement and consumption of
>>> fellow sentient beings.
>>
>> Yeah, most of the vegans I've met are about as smart as a chicken.
>                                                              ^^^^^^^
>    You misspelled "carrot".
>
>> Perhaps they can find a future in training mountain lions not to
>> eat Bambi.
>
>    You know, plants exhibit most, if not all, of the qualities lumped under the term "sentience".
>
>    Vegans tend to devour their prey alive- we carnivores have the decency to kill our prey first.
>
>
>    Mark L. Fergerson

Mark, I'm sure you'll ignore the information I'm about to give you, but 
you still need to hear it at least once.

You eat cadavers and you become dead! It's karma. The karma for killing 
and eating animals is that your life is shortened from doing so. And not 
only do you eat death, but you also assimilate all the emotion, fear and 
desperation of the animal as it was being killed.

The same argument also holds true for plants and fish and other lower 
lifeforms. However, the key is that for lower less developed species 
(and especially plants) their spiritual nature is so much more primitive 
than ours that the effect does not so readily transfer to us and the 
damage caused to our bodies by killing a carrot or fish and eating is 
very much reduced.

And as for eating a lower species alive, there is great benefit not only 
to you but also to the lower species from eating it alive. As the lower 
species passes through your body as it dies you and it experience a kind 
of "vulcan mind meld" where the lower species catches a glimpse of 
nature of higher spirituality and that can be very beneficial to it. And 
of course doing good is beneficial to you as well.

Hence pick fruit off a tree where the tree has concentrated spiritual 
essence in the fruit allows that essence to pass through your body and 
is indeed a much more beneficial way to eat apples than applesauce. In 
fact being UNDER the tree while doing that allows the spiritual aura of 
the tree to surround and saturate you and is the optimum way to eat fruit!

You can look into this more once you have shaken your goofy skepticism.


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