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  Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 13:19 -0600
    Re: Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-05 20:00 +0000
      Re: Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 17:02 -0600
        Re: Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-05 23:22 +0000
    Re: Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-05 15:27 -0800
      there ya go, p.b.s in the 'tudes, again noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 19:29 -0800
      Re: Antarctica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-06 11:39 -0700
        Re: Antarctica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-11-06 19:04 +0000
        Re: Antarctica is losing _land_ ice at an accelerating rate. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-06 12:15 -0700
          Re: Ars Technica's Antarctica study is an outlier. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-06 17:02 -0700
      Re: Antarctica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 12:34 -0700
        Re: Antarctica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-06 14:47 -0500
        Seas near humans are losing ice. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-06 14:49 -0800
          Re: Seas near humans are losing ice. Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-06 18:48 -0500
            DumpsterDiver(tm) linux boxen are eco-friendly. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-06 16:37 -0800
          Re: Seas near humans are losing ice. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 19:45 -0700
          Re: Seas near humans are losing ice. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 00:43 -0500
          eh noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 18:10 -0800
        Re: Antarctica is losing _land_ ice at an accelerating rate. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-11-06 19:44 -0700
    Re: Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 15:07 -0800

#530580 — Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It?

Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It?
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-antarctica-losing-ice-or-gaining-it/


> A recent study published in the Journal of Glaciology that found the
> Antarctic ice sheet is expanding because accumulated snowfall is
> outpacing melting glaciers has drawn sharp criticism from many
> climate scientists. While it does not contradict the science on
> global warming, it has pried open a long-standing debate about how
> warming is effecting the largest ice mass on the planet.
>
> The study, led by Jay Zwally, a glaciologist at NASA’s Goddard Space
> Flight Center, contradicts findings from years of research concluding
> that there’s a net ice loss in the Antarctic. Such findings have come
> from NASA and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
>
> The authors of the new study argue that rapid snow accumulation on
> the ice sheet between 1992 and 2008 offset the depletion from
> melting. The Antarctic ice sheet gathered mass at the rate of 112
> billion tons of ice every year from 1992 to 2001, they said, which
> slowed to 82 billion tons of ice gain per year between 2003 and
> 2008.
>
> The IPCC in its 2013 report noted that ice loss in the Antarctic most
> likely accelerated from 30 billion tons a year between 1992 and 2001
> to 147 billion tons a year in the period from 2002 to 2011.
>
> “We’re essentially in agreement with other studies that show an
> increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites
> and Pine Island region of West Antarctica,” Zwally said in a
> statement. “Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the
> interior of West Antarctica—there, we see an ice gain that exceeds
> the losses in the other areas.”




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#530596

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It?

Yes, but it is a topic for a different group, spamming shit head.


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Jim Pennino

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#530626

On 11/5/15 2:00 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> Yes, but it is a topic for a different group, spamming shit head.
>



   Now, now, jimp, your jealousy is obvious, your language inappropriate,
   and your absolute contempt and total disgust are addressed in these
   Anger Management classes. You, jimp, need these services:
  > http://yellowpages.com/rancho-cucamonga-ca/anger-management-classes

   Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It?
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-antarctica-losing-ice-or-gaining-it/

 > A recent study published in the Journal of Glaciology that found the
 > Antarctic ice sheet is expanding because accumulated snowfall is
 > outpacing melting glaciers has drawn sharp criticism from many
 > climate scientists. While it does not contradict the science on
 > global warming, it has pried open a long-standing debate about how
 > warming is effecting the largest ice mass on the planet.
 >
 > The study, led by Jay Zwally, a glaciologist at NASA’s Goddard Space
 > Flight Center, contradicts findings from years of research concluding
 > that there’s a net ice loss in the Antarctic. Such findings have come
 > from NASA and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
 >
 > The authors of the new study argue that rapid snow accumulation on
 > the ice sheet between 1992 and 2008 offset the depletion from
 > melting. The Antarctic ice sheet gathered mass at the rate of 112
 > billion tons of ice every year from 1992 to 2001, they said, which
 > slowed to 82 billion tons of ice gain per year between 2003 and
 > 2008.
 >
 > The IPCC in its 2013 report noted that ice loss in the Antarctic most
 > likely accelerated from 30 billion tons a year between 1992 and 2001
 > to 147 billion tons a year in the period from 2002 to 2011.
 >
 > “We’re essentially in agreement with other studies that show an
 > increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites
 > and Pine Island region of West Antarctica,” Zwally said in a
 > statement. “Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the
 > interior of West Antarctica—there, we see an ice gain that exceeds
 > the losses in the other areas.”





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#530636

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/5/15 2:00 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> Yes, but it is a topic for a different group, spamming shit head.
>>
> 
> 
> 
>   Now, now, jimp, your jealousy is obvious, your language inappropriate,

Now, now, you worthless piece of shit spamming ass hole, shove this repeated
cut and paste up your ass.

So how is that discussion thing going for you, shit head.

I notice that most of your "stimulate discussion" posts get little
discussion other than of the derogatory type, scum bag.
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#530634

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 11:19:03 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It?
> > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-antarctica-losing-ice-or-gaining-it/
> 
> 
> > A recent study published in the Journal of Glaciology that found the
> > Antarctic ice sheet is expanding because accumulated snowfall is
> > outpacing melting glaciers has drawn sharp criticism from many
> > climate scientists. While it does not contradict the science on
> > global warming, it has pried open a long-standing debate about how
> > warming is effecting the largest ice mass on the planet.
> >
> > The study, led by Jay Zwally, a glaciologist at NASA's Goddard Space
> > Flight Center, contradicts findings from years of research concluding
> > that there's a net ice loss in the Antarctic. Such findings have come
> > from NASA and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
> >
> > The authors of the new study argue that rapid snow accumulation on
> > the ice sheet between 1992 and 2008 offset the depletion from
> > melting. The Antarctic ice sheet gathered mass at the rate of 112
> > billion tons of ice every year from 1992 to 2001, they said, which
> > slowed to 82 billion tons of ice gain per year between 2003 and
> > 2008.
> >
> > The IPCC in its 2013 report noted that ice loss in the Antarctic most
> > likely accelerated from 30 billion tons a year between 1992 and 2001
> > to 147 billion tons a year in the period from 2002 to 2011.
> >
> > "We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an
> > increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites
> > and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," Zwally said in a
> > statement. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the
> > interior of West Antarctica--there, we see an ice gain that exceeds
> > the losses in the other areas."
> 


There you go.  If you can't trust the "Journal of Glaciology", who can you trust!

Double-A

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#530699 — there ya go, p.b.s in the 'tudes, again

the primal datum is "the delta of heighth of ice thereon
(Greenland, Iceland etc.

> > > The IPCC in its 2013 report noted that ice loss in the Antarctic most
> > > likely accelerated from 30 billion tons a year between 1992 and 2001
> > > to 147 billion tons a year in the period from 2002 to 2011.
> > >
> > > "We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an
> > > increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites
> > > and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," Zwally said in a
> > > statement. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the
> > > interior of West Antarctica--there, we see an ice gain that exceeds
> > > the losses in the other areas."
> > 
> 
> 
> There you go.  If you can't trust the "Journal of Glaciology", who can you trust!
> 
> Double-A

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#530771 — Re: Antarctica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate.

On 11/6/15, 10:33 AM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.6{9.33A.Seattle.2015},
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:

> ?
> Quoting 
> http://www.wunderground.com/climate/facts/antarctica_is_losing_ice_sheet.asp
> ＜＜
>   Satellites measure Antarctica is gaining sea ice
>   but losing land ice at an accelerating rate,
>   which has implications for sea level rise.
> 
>   Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice
>   frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely
>   ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice.  ＞＞
> 
> Sea Ice is seasonal, and doesn't affect the sea level.
> 
> ＜＜
>   Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice
>   (see above) range from losing 100 gigatons/year to
>   over 300 gigatons/year.  Because 360 gigatons/year
>   represents an annual sea level rise of 1 mm/year,
>   recent estimates indicate a contribution of between
>   0.27 mm/year and 0.83 mm/year coming from Antarctica.  ＞＞
> 
I have not read the full article but pretty sure Ars Technica posted about
them finding *increased* ice which surprised me. Need to double check it
though. Ars Technica is not a science-denial site... so really do need to
get back to that article. :)


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#530777 — Re: Antarctica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate.

[trimmed; illegal xpost says AIOE]
In sci.physics Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 11/6/15, 10:33 AM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.6{9.33A.Seattle.2015},
> "Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:
>> ?
>> Quoting 
>> http://www.wunderground.com/climate/facts/antarctica_is_losing_ice_sheet.asp
>> ??
>>   Satellites measure Antarctica is gaining sea ice
>>   but losing land ice at an accelerating rate,
>>   which has implications for sea level rise.
>>   Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice
>>   frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely
>>   ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice.  ??
>> Sea Ice is seasonal, and doesn't affect the sea level.
>> ??
>>   Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice
>>   (see above) range from losing 100 gigatons/year to
>>   over 300 gigatons/year.  Because 360 gigatons/year
>>   represents an annual sea level rise of 1 mm/year,
>>   recent estimates indicate a contribution of between
>>   0.27 mm/year and 0.83 mm/year coming from Antarctica.  ??
> I have not read the full article but pretty sure Ars Technica posted about
> them finding *increased* ice which surprised me. Need to double check it
> though. Ars Technica is not a science-denial site... so really do need to
> get back to that article. :)

Zwaly et al found up until 2008 (NB) there was an overall
gain of ice not counting antarctic ice shelves (NB).
They also found the accumulation had a sharply decreasing trend up
until the end date of their data (NB).

Other more recent papers (one from Simons &ct at Princeton 
published Apr this y) show that over the last few years loss in W Antarctica 
outweighs (literally, given this is GRACE data that maps the gravity field)
whatever gains in E Antarctica.

These 2 papers seem entirely consistent.


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#530779 — Re: Antarctica is losing _land_ ice at an accelerating rate.

On 11/6/15, 11:47 AM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.6{10.47A.Seattle.2015},
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:

>  
> @Snit wrote:
>> I have not read the full article but pretty sure Ars Technica posted about
>> them finding *increased* [sea] ice which surprised me.
>> 
>> Need to double check it though.
>> Ars Technica is not a science-denial site...
>> so really do need to get back to that article. :)
> 
> Antarctica is losing _land_ ice at an accelerating rate.
> 
> Sea Ice is seasonal, and doesn't affect the sea level.
> 

Here is the article I was talking about: <http://arstechnica.com/?p=772559>.

I have NOT read it... and so you know where I am coming from I am most
certainly not a science denier, hence the reason the headline was surprising
to me. 

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#530816 — Re: Ars Technica's Antarctica study is an outlier.

On 11/6/15, 1:43 PM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.6{0.43P.Seattle.2015},
"Jeff-Relf.Me" <@.> wrote:

> ?
> @Snit wrote:
>> Here is the article I was talking about: <http://arsTechnica.com/?p=772559>.
>> [ Study concludes Antarctica is gaining ice, rather than losing it ]
>> 
>> I have NOT read it... and so you know where I am coming from
>> I am most certainly not a science denier,
>> hence the reason the headline was surprising to me.
> 
> Ars Technica's Antarctica study is an outlier.
> 
> They say: ＜＜
> 
>   Since there are a lot of important variables in the calculations
>   -- Antarctica’s rebounding bedrock is a particularly significant one --
>   there are lots of things for scientists to argue about.
> 
>   In fact, Zwally and his co-authors argue that
>   their preferred values for some of those variables
>   can bring other analyses closer to their new numbers.
> 
>   Future research should hopefully provide some clarity
>   as to whether this study is more than a quirky outlier.
> 
>   For now, it is certainly true that it’s an outlier.  ＞＞
> 
Fair enough.


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#530781 — Re: Antarctica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate.

On 11/06/15 10:33, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>   
> Quoting
> http://www.wunderground.com/climate/facts/antarctica_is_losing_ice_sheet.asp
> ＜＜
>    Satellites measure Antarctica is gaining sea ice
>    but losing land ice at an accelerating rate,
>    which has implications for sea level rise.
> 
>    Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice
>    frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely
>    ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice.  ＞＞
> 
> Sea Ice is seasonal, and doesn't affect the sea level.
> 
> ＜＜
>    Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice
>    (see above) range from losing 100 gigatons/year to
>    over 300 gigatons/year.  Because 360 gigatons/year
>    represents an annual sea level rise of 1 mm/year,
>    recent estimates indicate a contribution of between
>    0.27 mm/year and 0.83 mm/year coming from Antarctica.  ＞＞

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/

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#530783 — Re: Antarctica is losing land ice at an accelerating rate.

On 2015-11-06 2:34 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
> On 11/06/15 10:33, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>>   
>> Quoting
>> http://www.wunderground.com/climate/facts/antarctica_is_losing_ice_sheet.asp
>> ＜＜
>>    Satellites measure Antarctica is gaining sea ice
>>    but losing land ice at an accelerating rate,
>>    which has implications for sea level rise.
>>
>>    Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice
>>    frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely
>>    ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice.  ＞＞
>>
>> Sea Ice is seasonal, and doesn't affect the sea level.
>>
>> ＜＜
>>    Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice
>>    (see above) range from losing 100 gigatons/year to
>>    over 300 gigatons/year.  Because 360 gigatons/year
>>    represents an annual sea level rise of 1 mm/year,
>>    recent estimates indicate a contribution of between
>>    0.27 mm/year and 0.83 mm/year coming from Antarctica.  ＞＞
> 
> https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/

Run for the hills! The sky is falling!


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#530797 — Seas near humans are losing ice.

I wrote:
> > https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/
> 
> Yes, seasonal sea ice hit a record high.
> Sea ice doesn't affect the sea level.
> 
> Most studies (but not all) say melting _land_ ice
> is increasing the sea level.

I read the article (link above).
Net Net, North and South, sea ice is diminishing.

Antarctic sea ice near South America is diminishing.

Seas near humans are losing ice,
possibly due to water pollution and/or warm winds/currents.

Everywhere, including the Antarctic,
_land_ ice is diminishing.

But one study, a major outlier,
says the Antarctic is gaining _land_ ice. 

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#530814 — Re: Seas near humans are losing ice.

On 2015-11-06 5:49 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> I wrote:
>>> https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/
>>
>> Yes, seasonal sea ice hit a record high.
>> Sea ice doesn't affect the sea level.
>>
>> Most studies (but not all) say melting _land_ ice
>> is increasing the sea level.
> 
> I read the article (link above).
> Net Net, North and South, sea ice is diminishing.
> 
> Antarctic sea ice near South America is diminishing.
> 
> Seas near humans are losing ice,
> possibly due to water pollution and/or warm winds/currents.
> 
> Everywhere, including the Antarctic,
> _land_ ice is diminishing.
> 
> But one study, a major outlier,
> says the Antarctic is gaining _land_ ice. 

How does this affect Linux?


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#530819 — DumpsterDiver(tm) linux boxen are eco-friendly.

Replying to me, Andre_Mat asked:
> > Seas near humans are losing ice,
> > possibly due to water pollution and/or warm winds/currents.
> > 
> > Everywhere, including the Antarctic,
> > _land_ ice is diminishing.
> > 
> > But one study, a major outlier,
> > says the Antarctic is gaining _land_ ice. 
> 
> How does this affect Linux?

DumpsterDiver(tm) linux boxen are eco-friendly.

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#530828 — Re: Seas near humans are losing ice.

On 11/06/15 15:49, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> I wrote:
>>> https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/
>>
>> Yes, seasonal sea ice hit a record high.
>> Sea ice doesn't affect the sea level.
>>
>> Most studies (but not all) say melting _land_ ice
>> is increasing the sea level.
>
> I read the article (link above).
> Net Net, North and South, sea ice is diminishing.
>
> Antarctic sea ice near South America is diminishing.
>
> Seas near humans are losing ice,
> possibly due to water pollution and/or warm winds/currents.
>
> Everywhere, including the Antarctic,
> _land_ ice is diminishing.
>
> But one study, a major outlier,
> says the Antarctic is gaining _land_ ice.

It depends on *when* the study took place.  If the study was done during 
the summer, yeah they lost a lot of ice.
And gained a lot of ice in the winter.


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#530842 — Re: Seas near humans are losing ice.

On 11/06/2015 05:49 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> I wrote:
>>> https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/
>>
>> Yes, seasonal sea ice hit a record high.
>> Sea ice doesn't affect the sea level.
>>
>> Most studies (but not all) say melting _land_ ice
>> is increasing the sea level.
>
> I read the article (link above).
> Net Net, North and South, sea ice is diminishing.
>
> Antarctic sea ice near South America is diminishing.
>
> Seas near humans are losing ice,
> possibly due to water pollution and/or warm winds/currents.
>
> Everywhere, including the Antarctic,
> _land_ ice is diminishing.
>
> But one study, a major outlier,
> says the Antarctic is gaining _land_ ice.

Sorry Rolf, but we warmists aren't interested in your pollution-caused 
theories. We are only interested in eliminating fossil fuels (Through a 
huge tax with money given to US to distribute, natch) and the genocide 
of billions of humans so the planet can return to the idyllic days of 
knights and unicorns!  So will you please just STFU.

Hey Rolf, What the hell is wrong? I'm looking at a reasonably normal 
post here that isn't in a massive font nor brown type on a deep red 
background?  Is your system down or something?

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#531095 — eh

of course, any increase of sea ice will raise sea-level,
by one tenth of the volume of the ice; so,
it'd be easy to plot, between the two pole, iff
there is sufficent datum on the heighth of floating ices

> But one study, a major outlier,
> says the Antarctic is gaining _land_ ice.

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#530827 — Re: Antarctica is losing _land_ ice at an accelerating rate.

On 11/06/15 14:36, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>
>> > Sea Ice is seasonal, and doesn't affect the sea level.
>> >
>> > ＜＜
>> >    Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice
>> >    (see above) range from losing 100 gigatons/year to
>> >    over 300 gigatons/year.  Because 360 gigatons/year
>> >    represents an annual sea level rise of 1 mm/year,
>> >    recent estimates indicate a contribution of between
>> >    0.27 mm/year and 0.83 mm/year coming from Antarctica.  ＞＞
>>
>> https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/
>
> Yes, seasonal sea ice hit a record high.
> Sea ice doesn't affect the sea level.
>
> Most studies (but not all) say melting _land_ ice
> is increasing the sea level.

Go down to the Seattle waterfront and see if the sea level has risen. 
I'm too far away to check the levels.

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#530802

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 11:19:03 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Is Antarctica Losing Ice or Gaining It?
> > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-antarctica-losing-ice-or-gaining-it/
> 
> 
> > A recent study published in the Journal of Glaciology that found the
> > Antarctic ice sheet is expanding because accumulated snowfall is
> > outpacing melting glaciers has drawn sharp criticism from many
> > climate scientists. While it does not contradict the science on
> > global warming, it has pried open a long-standing debate about how
> > warming is effecting the largest ice mass on the planet.
> >
> > The study, led by Jay Zwally, a glaciologist at NASA's Goddard Space
> > Flight Center, contradicts findings from years of research concluding
> > that there's a net ice loss in the Antarctic. Such findings have come
> > from NASA and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
> >
> > The authors of the new study argue that rapid snow accumulation on
> > the ice sheet between 1992 and 2008 offset the depletion from
> > melting. The Antarctic ice sheet gathered mass at the rate of 112
> > billion tons of ice every year from 1992 to 2001, they said, which
> > slowed to 82 billion tons of ice gain per year between 2003 and
> > 2008.
> >
> > The IPCC in its 2013 report noted that ice loss in the Antarctic most
> > likely accelerated from 30 billion tons a year between 1992 and 2001
> > to 147 billion tons a year in the period from 2002 to 2011.
> >
> > "We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an
> > increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites
> > and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," Zwally said in a
> > statement. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the
> > interior of West Antarctica--there, we see an ice gain that exceeds
> > the losses in the other areas."
> 
> 
> 
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