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What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out

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  What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 13:28 -0800
    What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2018-12-27 14:56 -0800
      Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-12-27 15:05 -0800
        Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2019-01-01 06:49 -0800
          Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 17:28 -0800
            Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-01 20:42 -0800
          Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2019-01-03 15:13 -0800
      Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 13:01 -0800
        Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-28 16:39 -0800
          Gravity is slowly dying, R.I.P. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-12-28 17:04 -0800
            Re: Gravity is slowly dying, R.I.P. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-12-28 18:13 -0700
            Re: Gravity is slowly dying, R.I.P. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-12-30 14:27 -0800
              Everything dies; gravity is no exception. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-12-30 14:47 -0800
                Re: Everything dies; gravity is no exception. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 10:50 -0800
                  The hot dense sun evaporates into the cold vacuum. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-01 14:21 -0800
                  Re: Everything dies; gravity is no exception. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 13:41 -0500
                    Re: Everything dies; gravity is no exception. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 11:28 -0800
            Re: Gravity is slowly dying, R.I.P. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-02 00:15 +0000
              What doesn't evaporate, sublimate, and degrade ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-01 16:48 -0800
                Re: What doesn't evaporate, sublimate, and degrade ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-02 05:14 +0000
                  A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-01 23:51 -0800
                    Re: A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity. Sir Gaygory's Owner's Owner 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2019-01-02 11:02 -0600
                    Re: A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-03 15:46 +0000
                      There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-03 14:38 -0800
                        Re: There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-03 23:53 +0000
                          Zero kinetic energy. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-03 17:34 -0800
                            Re: Zero kinetic energy. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-04 16:22 +0000
                              Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-04 14:48 -0800
                                Re: Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-04 23:45 +0000
                                  The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-04 16:35 -0800
                                    Re: The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 01:24 +0000
                        Re: There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 17:05 -0700
          Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-12-28 20:37 -0800
    What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-12-27 17:46 -0800
    Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 16:52 -0800
    Re: What if The Universe was Falling in,and Not Out Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-01 23:47 -0600

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#722037 — A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity.

Michael replied:
> >  a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy, but none of the 
> > "eXergy" ( a type of energy that can do work, force * distance ).
> 
> I have no issue with the heat death of the universe.

Good because if you don't understand death,
then you don't understand life, 
and you can't function properly.

> >  Gravity is residual exergy.
> 
> That is simply crap you made up.

A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity;
"work" ( force * distance ) isn't possible.

Compressing our solar system to the size of a baseball,
as it once was, long ago, 
gives it less entropy and more exergy/gravity.

If entropy didn't go up, naturally,
and exergy/gravity didn't go down, naturally,
our time-scape wouldn't exist.

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#722057 — Re: A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity.

On Tue, 01 Jan 2019 23:51:48 -0800 (Seattle), LO AND BEHOLD;
Jeff-Relf.Me  @. determined that the following was of great importance 
and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<Jeff-Relf.Me@Jan.1--11.51pm.Seattle.2019>:
 
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Michael replied:
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy, but none of the
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ "eXergy" ( a type of energy that can do work, force * distance ).
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ I have no issue with the heat death of the universe.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ 
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Good because if you don't understand death, then you don't understand
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ life, and you can't function properly.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ 
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Gravity is residual exergy.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ ✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ That is simply crap you made up.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ 
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity; "work" ( force *
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ distance ) isn't possible.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ 
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ Compressing our solar system to the size of a baseball, as it once was, 
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ long ago, gives it less entropy and more exergy/gravity.
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ 
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ If entropy didn't go up, naturally, and exergy/gravity didn't go down,
✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡✡ naturally, our time-scape wouldn't exist.

entropy going "up" has nothing to do with us calling the direction that gravity pulls "down".  in fact, if you take note of accepted physics, gravity pulls toward the CENTER of a mass tangential to it's surface (esp. for planet-sized masses with evolved monkeys on it's surface).

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#722136 — Re: A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity.

Jeff-Relf.Me  @. writes:

>Michael replied:
>> >  a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy, but none of the 
>> > "eXergy" ( a type of energy that can do work, force * distance ).
>> 
>> I have no issue with the heat death of the universe.

>Good because if you don't understand death,
>then you don't understand life, 
>and you can't function properly.

>> >  Gravity is residual exergy.
>> 
>> That is simply crap you made up.

>A PERFECTLY uniform universe has no exergy/gravity;

No exergy, yes.

>"work" ( force * distance ) isn't possible.

Force would tend toward zero as the universe expands and everything 
becomes infinitely far apart. Gravity force is inversely proportional 
to the distance squared.  This doesn't mean gravity is weaker, it
just means the distance increases.  Meanwhile the potential energy
increases (to a limit, at infinity) just as lifting a rock increases its
gravitational potential energy.

>Compressing our solar system to the size of a baseball,
>as it once was, long ago, 
>gives it less entropy and more exergy/gravity.

Had less entropy and more exergy, yes.

>If entropy didn't go up, naturally,
>and exergy/gravity didn't go down, naturally,
>our time-scape wouldn't exist.

Again, not correct, only exergy will decrease.

Also the heat death is a statistical effect, there is no actual law of
nature that requires it, beyond statistics. It's just that when you have a
system of high energy (temperature) stuff and low temperature stuff, the
most likely effect (by far) is both sides become a uniform temperature,
possibly driving a heat engine in the process.

I haven't figured out how the fact that an expanding open universe, like
ours, having constantly increasing (toward a limit) gravitational
potential energy jibes with an eventual heat death. Perhaps it is possible
that a heat death could have potential energy that can _never_ be used as
exergy.

But my point simply is there is no connection between the statistics that
drive toward a heat death and the gravitational constant G. It is a
constant.

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#722150 — There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe.

Michael replied:
> [ a uniform heat bath universe might ] 
> have potential energy that can _never_ be used as exergy.

There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe;
so you can't fall down; kinetic energy isn't possible.

> But my point simply is there is no connection between 
> the statistics that drive toward a heat death 
> and the gravitational constant G.  It is a constant.

So ?!  Big G is irrelevant in a uniform heat bath universe.

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#722166 — Re: There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe.

Jeff-Relf.Me  @. writes:

>Michael replied:
>> [ a uniform heat bath universe might ] 
>> have potential energy that can _never_ be used as exergy.

>There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe;
>so you can't fall down; kinetic energy isn't possible.

Yet there's still "stuff" separated from each other which would supply 
energy if somehow they could recombine. But it can't.  This is the 
apparent contradiction, can there be potential energy because of gravity 
in a heat-dead universe if it can never be used? All that potential energy
of stuff infinitely far apart.

 >> But my point simply is there is no connection between 
>> the statistics that drive toward a heat death 
>> and the gravitational constant G.  It is a constant.

>So ?!  Big G is irrelevant in a uniform heat bath universe.

Wait a minute, you keep posting stuff like "gravity is dying off" or
"gravity is slowly dying". What does that mean, if not Big G is decreasing 
to zero?

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#722171 — Zero kinetic energy.

Michael replied:
> > Big G is irrelevant in a uniform heat bath universe.
> 
> Wait a minute, you keep posting stuff like "gravity is dying off"
> or "gravity is slowly dying". What does that mean, 
> if not Big G is decreasing to zero?

General Relativity's G is a constant, of course;
no matter, "a uniform heat bath universe" has: 

    No curvature, No exergy, No "down".

Wikipedia says:

  "The Big Freeze" is a scenario under which 
  continued expansion results in a universe that 
  asymptotically approaches absolute zero temperature.

  This scenario, in combination with the Big Rip scenario,
  is currently gaining ground as the most important hypothesis.

In other words:  Zero kinetic energy.

WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe

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#722203 — Re: Zero kinetic energy.

Jeff-Relf.Me  @. writes:

>Michael replied:
>> > Big G is irrelevant in a uniform heat bath universe.
>> 
>> Wait a minute, you keep posting stuff like "gravity is dying off"
>> or "gravity is slowly dying". What does that mean, 
>> if not Big G is decreasing to zero?

>General Relativity's G is a constant, of course;

So what was all that about "gravity is slowly dying" then?

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#722231 — Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off.

Michael replied:
> > General Relativity's G is a constant, of course;
> 
> So what was all that about "gravity is slowly dying" then?

I'm just repeating myself, I don't know how you could possibly
fail to understand what I'm talking about; to wit:

    Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off.

In "The Big Freeze" there's no kinetic energy,
much less gravitational energy.   There's no "down" direction.

WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe

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#722236 — Re: Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off.

Jeff-Relf.Me  @. writes:

>Michael replied:
>> > General Relativity's G is a constant, of course;
>> 
>> So what was all that about "gravity is slowly dying" then?

>I'm just repeating myself, I don't know how you could possibly
>fail to understand what I'm talking about; to wit:

>    Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off.

It's not dying off if Big G is unchanging. It will just be less relevant 
over time, at some time in the future.

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#722239 — The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero.

Michael replied:
> > Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off.
> 
> It's not dying off if Big G is unchanging.  It will just be 
> less relevant over time, at some time in the future.

The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero.

"The Big Freeze" has no kinetic energy, much less gravitational energy.
There's no "down" direction.

WikiPedia.ORG/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe

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#722244 — Re: The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero.

Jeff-Relf.Me  @. writes:

>Michael replied:
>> > Gravity is residual exergy, and it's dying off.
>> 
>> It's not dying off if Big G is unchanging.  It will just be 
>> less relevant over time, at some time in the future.

>The gravitational energy of our Universe is asymptotically approaching zero.

As I mentioned earlier the gravitational _energy_ of our universe is
actually increasing, as it expands and the energy of dark energy/the
motion of galaxy clusters is converted into gravitational potential
energy. This will remain true even if protons decay/black holes evaporate
since gravity acts on all energy, not just mass.  This is why I mentioned
the possibility of unusable potential energy. I don't know of any
mechanism that can dissipate/use this potential energy which is in theory
could provide exergy.

The _force_ approaches zero as distance increase, but the total energy 
increases to a finite limit.

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#722167 — Re: There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe.

On 2019-01-03 3:38 p.m., Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Michael replied:
>> [ a uniform heat bath universe might ]
>> have potential energy that can _never_ be used as exergy.
> 
> There's no "down" in a uniform heat bath universe;
> so you can't fall down; kinetic energy isn't possible.
> 
>> But my point simply is there is no connection between
>> the statistics that drive toward a heat death
>> and the gravitational constant G.  It is a constant.
> 
> So ?!  Big G is irrelevant in a uniform heat bath universe.
> 
you would know

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#721402

"homo-reber G=emc^2" <herbertgay-lazier0@gmail.com> is a 
STUPID, self-anointed vagrant & a homeless bum, who lives in 
& shits  into a bucket in a stinky old Van", says Bert , who added:
>
 " Its nice to be nice.Give your fellow man a helping hand" which
in SwineBert's case is Bert's Fetish to shit into other posters 
mouth <http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg>
& says: "open wide" and then...  to have them murdered in the 
name of, <http://tinyurl.com/The-Chosen-Graveyard-Vandal>
so that Hate Monger SwineBert can piss onto their graves.
 >
"Why am I posting this, it's making me cry as it always does". Bert
>
______  "Why am I not loved by all?". Bert. _________
>
 __ "I park, bark & fart in the dark. Bert" __ "That is a given". Bert
>
"I'm a  low-wit, stupid shit and always very full of it." O ya. Bert."
"Being Jewish I know this is so very true". "I'm very depressed". Bert
"It's a Pity". "Get the picture", "Go figure", "O ya", Bert.....
>
& see Bert's lifetime-achievement which is unkosherly detailed in 
<http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier-s-REAL-intent> O ya. Bert. 

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#721187

Big Hole Theory.

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#721638

On Thursday, December 27, 2018 at 1:28:56 PM UTC-8, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
> This is not bad thinking since we know gravity is a one way in force.Universe so big,and galaxies so far apart.We know red light is in and with this we go with expansion.Still gravity tells me to think in this falling in posibility.How say you? Bert

Do we see the universe contracting?
We see the opposite. Should we not
count on what has already been observed?
Is expansion slowing down?

Mitchell Raemsch

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#722025

On 12/27/2018 3:28 PM, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
> This is not bad thinking since we know gravity is a one way in force.Universe so big,and galaxies so far apart.We know red light is in and with this we go with expansion.Still gravity tells me to think in this falling in posibility.How say you? Bert
> 

no falling in, or out =>  falling down is the way.  no falling up either

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