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| Started by | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-08-18 14:54 -0500 |
| Last post | 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 173 — 26 participants |
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For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 14:54 -0500
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 13:01 -0700
Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-18 20:26 -0500
Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:07 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 03:26 -0400
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 06:05 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 09:26 -0500
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 09:34 -0500
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 08:18 -0500
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 06:53 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:50 -0500
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 14:50 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-21 15:39 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:50 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 15:59 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 23:42 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 17:16 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 18:04 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 02:24 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 01:18 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 19:09 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 02:39 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:00 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:40 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 20:49 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:49 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 14:58 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 23:35 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 17:06 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 00:43 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 18:03 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 01:34 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:32 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 19:50 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 09:02 -0500
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:20 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:38 -0500
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:46 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:54 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 14:38 -0700
Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 15:32 -0700
Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 15:54 -0700
Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 10:24 -0500
Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 09:10 -0700
Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-24 17:09 +0000
Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 12:14 -0500
Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 11:41 -0700
Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 15:05 -0700
Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 22:10 +0000
Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-24 22:07 +0000
Re: Thermodynamics, and its flipside ( gravity ), define everything. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 08:31 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:39 -0500
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:47 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 13:53 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 07:51 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-22 15:35 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 08:25 -0500
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-22 17:58 -0400
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 21:05 -0400
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 01:18 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-22 18:00 -0400
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-22 23:35 +0000
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 02:34 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 13:51 -0700
Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:15 -0700
Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 23:22 -0700
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 11:16 +0000
Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. NobelPrize.ORG @. - 2017-08-19 07:45 -0700
Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 08:32 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-19 17:46 +0000
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-19 14:08 -0500
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-19 17:20 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 00:34 +0000
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 00:36 +0000
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 01:33 +0000
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-19 21:04 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 10:07 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 10:57 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-20 11:17 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-20 11:19 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 11:00 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 18:29 +0000
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-20 18:26 +0000
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 11:58 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-21 16:39 +0000
Black Holes are math kook babble john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 11:46 -0700
Re: Retarded precessing spinny things are kook babble moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-21 20:07 +0000
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 15:09 -0500
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 14:13 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-20 18:07 -0500
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-20 16:31 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-21 08:33 -0500
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 07:00 -0700
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-08-19 12:45 -0400
Re: Odd Bodkin gets the Nobel prize, along with Bert. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2017-08-21 07:04 -0500
Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-21 18:00 -0500
Re: More data, from more observers, is needed. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-23 10:41 -0500
Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 11:55 -0700
Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-24 00:03 -0700
Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 21:26 +0000
Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 14:32 -0700
Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:48 -0500
Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 22:12 +0000
Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 16:46 -0500
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 23:01 +0000
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-08-24 10:14 +0100
Re: A TRUE singularity has infinite precision, not +/- 45 AU. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-24 17:04 +0000
Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-24 15:40 -0700
Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 20:04 +0200
Re: Slowing lased photons to near ZERO meters/second. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 20:05 +0200
Re: Starting/Stopping light. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:45 +0200
Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2017-08-25 17:55 -0700
Re: Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:23 +0200
Give it your best shot, Thomas Lahn. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2017-08-25 19:08 -0700
Re: Give it your best shot, ****** ****. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 14:15 +0200
Thomas Lahn would ban URL's. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2017-08-26 13:36 -0700
Re: ****** **** would ban URL's. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-27 01:46 +0200
Re: Thomas Lahn's GoogleGroups Spam Remover. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-08-28 15:55 -0700
Google Groups spam filter (was: Thomas Lahn's GoogleGroups Spam Remover.) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 18:04 +0200
If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2017-08-25 18:39 -0700
Slow light (was: If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it.) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:55 +0200
Viewed from earth, everything near an ideal event horizon appears frozen. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2017-08-25 19:47 -0700
Re: If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it. benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-26 01:52 -0400
Re: kNode hasn't heard of MIME/HTML ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:47 +0200
The DEFAULT "Subject:" line is NEITHER mandatory or desirable. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2017-08-25 19:29 -0700
Re: The DEFAULT "Subject:" line is NEITHER mandatory or desirable. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 15:36 +0000
Usenet isn't Wikipedia; threads branch and morph, topics change. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2017-08-26 11:56 -0700
Re: Usenet isn't Wikipedia; threads branch and morph, topics change. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-27 04:31 +0000
Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-25 12:28 -0700
Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:44 -0700
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 14:34 +0200
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 06:22 -0700
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 16:14 +0200
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 07:18 -0700
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 07:49 -0700
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 18:25 +0200
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 10:44 -0700
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 13:05 -0500
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 16:09 +0000
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 15:37 +0000
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 08:51 -0700
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 13:01 -0500
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 19:22 +0200
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 18:48 +0000
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:22 -0700
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 12:25 -0700
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:27 +0200
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-25 21:54 +0000
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-26 03:01 +0200
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 03:31 +0000
Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 21:52 +0200
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2017-09-04 14:34 -0400
Re: Take your own advice, Tom Roberts. Ethel Ocallaghan <unlgclo@awlwaac.ag> - 2017-09-05 11:40 +0000
Re: "Black Holes" are forever a notion, never measured. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 14:04 +0000
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-08-19 00:00 -0700
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-21 08:18 -0500
Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-20 16:01 -0700
Re: Black Holes violate the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2017-08-21 12:54 -0700
For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 14:44 -0700
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 22:15 +0000
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 15:26 -0700
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-18 18:54 -0700
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 21:06 -0500
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 10:25 -0700
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 10:55 -0700
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-25 14:17 -0700
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 15:27 -0700
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-08-25 15:37 -0700
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-25 15:50 -0700
For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 16:29 -0700
For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 17:03 -0700
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
Re: For Sefton, on whether gravity is ever infinite or not. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 14:32 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. |
| Message-ID | <3d3c28ab-42ac-4989-b69a-1f48420faef0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #646984 |
MM " happens inside an event horizon. We see that Sgr A* is there, not by seeing it, but by tracking stars that are orbiting it. " How do you know there's matter there? You don't see any. Why couldn't it be "Dark Matter", if there is, indeed, matter? Why couldn't it be a whirlpool in Space, that absorbs gravity?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 16:48 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. |
| Message-ID | <onkt6o$167i$6@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #646987 |
On 8/23/17 4:32 PM, john wrote: > MM > " > happens inside an event horizon. > > We see that Sgr A* is there, not by seeing it, but by tracking stars > that are orbiting it. > " > > How do you know there's matter there? > You don't see any. > Why couldn't it be "Dark Matter", if there is, indeed, matter? It CAN be. Dark matter is just matter that does not interact electromagnetically. Why, what did you think it was? > Why couldn't it be a whirlpool in Space, that absorbs gravity? > What does THAT mean -- absorbs gravity? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 22:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. |
| Message-ID | <onkuka$fmr$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #646987 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >MM >" >happens inside an event horizon. >We see that Sgr A* is there, not by seeing it, but by tracking stars >that are orbiting it. >" >How do you know there's matter there? I just said we see stars orbiting it. From Kepler's Laws and the period of the orbit, and the orbit itself, we can tell what the mass of the thing being orbited is. It's about 4.3 million solar masses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_orbit >You don't see any. Doesn't matter. We see a bunch of stars orbiting "something" that gives off no light of its own and has a mass of about 4.3 million solar masses. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Galactic_centre_orbits.svg >Why couldn't it be "Dark Matter", if there is, indeed, matter? I don't think it is possible to have that much matter (dark or otherwise) in such a small volume without it collapsing into a black hole. We know its mass, and we know its maximum diameter (from the closest approach of a star that does not collide with it). >Why couldn't it be a whirlpool in Space, that absorbs gravity? "Absorbs gravity" doesn't even make sense (not even wrong). "Whirlpool in Space" makes no sense as well (whirlpool of _what_?) Again, we know that "it" has a mass of about 4.3 million solar masses. Its diameter is less than 45 AU, otherwise the star S14 would collide with it. What else could it be?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 16:46 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. |
| Message-ID | <onkt4e$167i$5@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #646984 |
On 8/23/17 4:26 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > Jeff-Relf.Me @. writes: > >> We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly, and you need >> INFINITE precision to measure a TRUE singularity. > > Doesn't matter, it's the size of the event horizon that counts, not > the singularity. As long as there is enough mass inside an event horizon > there is a black hole, even if there is weird physics unknown to us > inside that prevents formation of a singularity. We can never know what > happens inside an event horizon. > > We see that Sgr A* is there, not by seeing it, but by tracking stars > that are orbiting it. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S0%E2%80%93102 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S2_(star) > amongst others > And to emphasize this, the "true" black hole is NOT the singularity. The defining feature is the event horizon. There's no point in demanding proof in terms of something unobservable. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-08-23 23:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. |
| Message-ID | <onl1h0$pm7$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #646984 |
Jeff-Relf.Me @. writes: > Sagittarius A* is THOUGHT to be the location of a supermassive black hole > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A* >"Thought", not "known". "Thought" to a rather high degree of certainty. Orbits of multiple stars are tracked orbiting "something" with a mass of about 4.1 million solar masses but a radius of less than 45 AU (otherwise the star S14 would collide with it). https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Galactic_centre_orbits.svg
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| From | Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-08-24 10:14 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. |
| Message-ID | <onm5e7$s7h$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #647008 |
On 24/08/2017 00:01, Michael Moroney wrote: > Jeff-Relf.Me @. writes: > >> Sagittarius A* is THOUGHT to be the location of a supermassive black hole >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A* > >> "Thought", not "known". > > "Thought" to a rather high degree of certainty. > > Orbits of multiple stars are tracked orbiting "something" > with a mass of about 4.1 million solar masses but a radius of less than 45 AU > (otherwise the star S14 would collide with it). > > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Galactic_centre_orbits.svg Wiki claims Sgr A has Rs ~ 1.3x10^10 M which I make to be about 80AU (in the section on Schwarzchild radii - which is suspect is out of date) (although the page on Sgr A itself says 4.1M sun and about 45AU) Star S14 must be getting awfully close to grazing the event horizon. Is it possible to see and interpret gravitational and Doppler spectral shifts for it as well as positional measurements? Presumably we have to wait patiently for something chunky to go down the gravitational plughole and then we will get to find out the period of the last stable orbit more precisely. -- Regards, Martin Brown
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2017-08-24 17:04 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A TRUE singularity has infinite precision, not +/- 45 AU. |
| Message-ID | <onn0vf$cm9$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #647046 |
Jeff-Relf.Me @. writes: >Martin Brown wrote: >> Star S14 must be getting awfully close to grazing the event horizon. >A TRUE singularity has infinite precision, not +/- 45 AU. The 45 AU is the maximum radius of the object, not the precision of any singularity. They know the center of mass of the object (the singularity, if there is one) to better than that, just from S14's orbit. Regardless, the defining characteristic of a black hole is having an event horizon, not a singularity. Who knows, perhaps there is physics, unknown to us, that prevents formation of a singularity in a black hole. Doesn't matter, as long as there is an event horizon, it's a black hole.
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-24 15:40 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. |
| Message-ID | <05f12085-6295-4a6a-a119-0cb9aa44417f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #647069 |
On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 3:25:31 PM UTC-7, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: > There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. > > Quoting WikiPedia: ＜＜ > > [ Some think Sgr* is ] 4.1 million solar masses. > > The corresponding Schwarzschild radius is .08 AU [...] > > the American group found 3.7 ± 0.2 million solar masses. > [...] > [S14] came within 45 AU without colliding. ＞＞ > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A*#Central_black_hole > > The corresponding Schwarzschild radius is .08 AU. > The corresponding Schwarzschild radius is .08 AU. > The corresponding Schwarzschild radius is .08 AU. > > It could be anything, something unknown, maybe a black star. > > A _TRUE_ black hole has inifnite precision. > This, above, shows nothing close to that. > > There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. Light actually accelerates as it leaves a gravitational field. It verifiably does so when it leaves the Sun's field. So how could a gravitational field, no matter how strong, trap it inside? Double-A
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-08-25 20:04 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. |
| Message-ID | <2161448.jE0xQCEvom@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #647113 |
A. A. Cummings (deceased) moaned in his grave: > Light actually accelerates as it leaves a gravitational field. > > It verifiably does so when it leaves the Sun's field. You are confusing the *measured* *coordinate* speed of light with the *local*, *instantaneous*, *proper*, *constant* speed of light. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propagation_of_light_in_non-inertial_reference_frames> > So how could a gravitational field, no matter how strong, trap it inside? Gravitational fields as understood before the theories of relativity are an illusion: gravity is just an observable effect of curved spacetime on bodies. Actually, the geodesics of spacetime are lines with non-zero curvature if spacetime is curved, and the paths of light describe precisely those geodesics (hence gravitational lensing). However, that the *coordinate* speed of light as measured by a distant observer is *zero* or *negative* at and beyond the outer event horizon of a black hole is *precisely* the reason why you see *no* light (or any other information) coming from that region – why the black hole is called a *black* hole: the escape velocity there is *greater* than the speed of light. (IIUC, you could still see a ring of light around the black hole at 1.5 Schwarzschild radii, where light is forced to go into orbit around the black hole, therefore also called the “photon sphere” of a black hole.) You will not be able to understand black holes without at least a basic understanding of general relativity, as they are a concept based on that theory. For a start, consider an image: <http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150525-a-black-hole-would-clone-you> (The grids represent the geodesics of spacetime. You can clearly see that some lead into, but not out of, the black hole.) F’up2 <news:sci.physics.relativity> -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-08-25 20:05 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Slowing lased photons to near ZERO meters/second. |
| Message-ID | <2098531.NG923GbCHz@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #647113 |
wrote: > <PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'> > You ( MrAA ) wrote: >> Light actually accelerates as it leaves a gravitational field. >> It verifiably does so when it leaves the Sun's field. >> So how could a gravitational field, no matter how strong, trap it inside? > > Under the right conditions ( in the opposite of a vacuum ) > you can slow lased photons to near ZERO meters/second. > They're TRAPPED there; for awhile, at least. Not even wrong. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-08-25 21:45 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Starting/Stopping light. |
| Message-ID | <4795995.Sb9uPGUboI@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #647190 |
wrote: > <PRE Style='Font-Family: OCR A, monospace !important;'> For crying out loud, get yourself a proper newsreader. > You ( Thomas Lahn ) replied to me: >> > Under the right conditions ( in the opposite of a vacuum ) >> > you can slow lased photons to near ZERO meters/second. >> > They're TRAPPED there; for awhile, at least. >> >> Not even wrong. > > How so, rude boy ? An anti-social address-munging pseudonymous such as yourself who is lacking the basic courtesy of introducing oneself by name, and complying with Internet standards, should not presume to lecture others, especially those who do comply with those norms and standards, about perceived rudeness. > Harvard Professor Lene Hau uses LaserCooled sodium to Stop/ReStart light. > > Quoting " Light Changed to Matter, Then Stopped and Moved " ＜＜ > > CAMBRIDGE, Mass., Feb. 8, 2007 -- By converting light > into matter and then back again, physicists have for > the first time stopped a light pulse and then > restarted it a small distance away. > […] > https://www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=28520 Assuming that to be true (I would not trust photonics.com farther they I can throw the printout of their stuff; it is _not_ a peer-reviewed journal, and the article gives *no* *references*): The conditions described there are _not_ “the opposite of a vacuum”, unless one defines that to mean “anything but vacuum”. This term is just pseudo- scientific word salad; there really is no such thing. Instead, the “light pulse” is “[stopped]” “in a supercooled sodium cloud”. So yes, that is not vacuum (it is not mostly devoid of particles: there is sodium there), but also not “the opposite of vacuum”. (Do you even grasp what such a cloud actually is?) Also, you are overlooking the simple fact that, if it is even true, it is not the same light that is being “restarted” that was “stopped” before. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2017-08-25 17:55 -0700 |
| Subject | Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.25--5.55pm.Seattle.2017> |
| In reply to | #647204 |
You ( Thomas Lahn ) replied to me: > > > Not even wrong. > > > > How so, rude boy ? > > ...the basic courtesy of introducing oneself by name My name is Jeff Relf, as in " http://Jeff-Relf.Me/ ". Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. It will get spammed, making it useless; so I post a URL instead. I'm far from anonymous, obviously.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-08-26 03:23 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. |
| Message-ID | <1944945.NgBsaNRSFp@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #647253 |
wrote: > You ( Thomas Lahn ) replied to me: I did _not_ reply *to you*. I posted a follow-up to one of your public articles, which is a very different thing. Newsgroups are _not_ a 1:1 communication medium. >> > > Not even wrong. >> > How so, rude boy ? >> ...the basic courtesy of introducing oneself by name > > My name is Jeff Relf, Then that name belongs in the “From” header field value of your articles as a “comment” per RFC 5536, the Netnews Article Format specification: <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5536> > as in " http://Jeff-Relf.Me/ ". This is Usenet; it is _not_ the Internet and _not_ the World Wide Web. IOW: “Internet is the thing with cables; Usenet is the thing with *people*.” > Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. Nonsense. > It will get spammed, making it useless; so I post a URL instead. The “From” header field is defined as an *address* header field. An e-mail address is its *minimum* required content. It is so for good reason: Private discussions such as this should be done *in private* as they are off-topic; there should be away to contact the author of an article *only*. Whether you also receive spam directed to that address is a different issue. Whether and how you handle that is yet another. <http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful/> Handling spam is not rocket science; these days, even a fourth-grader with average intelligence can do it (e-mail clients and Web mail providers offer effective spam filters *for free*). So not being able to handle spam is a lame excuse for deliberately violating Netiquette guidelines and Internet standards, burdening others with the consequences of one’s ineptitude/laziness. It is considered *extremely* anti-social, rude behavior in Usenet. It is probably also a violation of the Acceptable Use Policy/Policies of your service provider(s), which may cost you your account there. You have been warned. > I'm far from anonymous, obviously. Not in Usenet. Just look at the (*proper*) attribution lines that your invalid “From” header field causes in a *working* newsreader. F’up2 poster -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2017-08-25 19:08 -0700 |
| Subject | Give it your best shot, Thomas Lahn. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.25--7.08pm.Seattle.2017> |
| In reply to | #647256 |
You ( Thomas Lahn ) are complaining to me ( yes, _me_ ) because your newsreader is well borked; it doesn't know MIME, for one thing. Likely, you can't configure Mozilla Thunderbird; too many settings, CSS, JavaScipt, extensions, etc. You told me ( yes, _me_ ): > I did _not_ reply *to you*. Stop lying to yourself, please; you replied to me. > > Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. > > Nonsense. Big Brother's spam filters reject the good stuff, while letting a flood of spam through, devaluing emails and text. > > I'm " Jeff-Relf.Me ", not anonymous. > > This is Usenet; it is _not_ the Internet and _not_ the World Wide Web. Don't lie to yourself, we've _both_ the www and Usenet. > > It will get spammed, making it useless; so I post a URL instead. > > It is probably also a violation of the Acceptable Use Policy/Policies > of your service provider(s), which may cost you your account there. > You have been warned. Give it your best shot. It's you vs. my DEEP understanding of servers, newsreaders, and kooks.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-08-26 14:15 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Give it your best shot, ****** ****. |
| Message-ID | <3701887.1IzOArtZ34@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #647266 |
wrote: > You ( Thomas Lahn ) are complaining to me ( yes, _me_ ) > because your newsreader is well borked; > it doesn't know MIME, for one thing. Can’t you read? KNode does support MIME. It also supports HTML messages, but it is *a security risk* to display them, so I will not enable that. HTML-only messages (that is, those with “Content-Type: text/html”) do not belong in Network News. Multipart HTML (that is, messages with “Content- Type: multipart/mixed” and at least one part with “Content-Type: text/html”) do not belong in Network News either. Multipart messages in general do not belong in non-binary groups such as this at all. > Likely, you can't configure Mozilla Thunderbird; > too many settings, CSS, JavaScipt, extensions, etc. You have not the slightest idea what you are talking about or whom you are talking to. BTW, only lusers™ change the Subject to contain an opponent’s name. >> > Posting an email address to Usenet is just wrong. >> >> Nonsense. > > Big Brother's spam filters reject the good stuff, > while letting a flood of spam through, > devaluing emails and text. You are delusional. >> > I'm " Jeff-Relf.Me ", not anonymous. >> >> This is Usenet; it is _not_ the Internet and _not_ the World Wide Web. > > Don't lie to yourself, we've _both_ the www and Usenet. *This* is _not_ the WWW. >> > It will get spammed, making it useless; so I post a URL instead. >> >> It is probably also a violation of the Acceptable Use Policy/Policies >> of your service provider(s), which may cost you your account there. >> You have been warned. > > Give it your best shot. > It's you vs. my DEEP understanding of servers, newsreaders, and kooks. You are delusional. Apparently you misunderstand this to be a discussion about what is acceptable. It is not. I am telling you that you are doing wrong, why you are doing wrong, and the possible consequences of doing wrong. It is like me noticing that you are driving with a broken headlight, notifying you that if you are stopped by the police this could turn out to be expensive for you, and you may even lose your driver’s licence. So you better fix it sooner rather than later. You can either stop doing wrong, or you can continue doing wrong. For the final time, I am the one giving you the choice. F’up2 poster -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2017-08-26 13:36 -0700 |
| Subject | Thomas Lahn would ban URL's. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.26--1.36pm.Seattle.2017> |
| In reply to | #647295 |
You ( Thomas Lahn ) told me: > you may lose your [ Usenet ] driver’s licence. Putting "Jeff-Relf.Me" in my "From:" makes sense; putting an email address there does NOT make sense. And nothing you do will ever change that; you can't force me. > > Big Brother's spam filters reject the good stuff, > > while letting a flood of spam through, > > devaluing emails and text. > > You are delusional. gMail handles spam correctly, as does my private server, but most others do not, and it devalues email and texts. > > Don't lie to yourself, we've _both_ the www and Usenet. > > *This* is _not_ the WWW. Usenet has URL's; the web is here, now. > BTW, only lusers™ change the Subject to contain an opponent’s name. I want everyone to see how you'd ban URL's. OK ? > > Likely, you can't configure Mozilla Thunderbird; > > too many settings, CSS, JavaScipt, extensions, etc. > > You have not the slightest idea what you are talking about > or whom you are talking to. I'm talking to a guy who uses kNode because he can't configure Thunderbird.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-08-27 01:46 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: ****** **** would ban URL's. |
| Message-ID | <1820608.oMNUckLgyt@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #647356 |
wrote:
> You ( Thomas Lahn ) told me:
>> you may lose your [ Usenet ] driver’s licence.
>
> Putting "Jeff-Relf.Me" in my "From:" makes sense;
No, it does not.
> putting an email address there does NOT make sense.
Yes, it does.
> And nothing you do will ever change that;
I don’t think so, Tim.
> you can't force me.
Indeed, I will have to leave that to others.
>> > Big Brother's spam filters reject the good stuff,
>> > while letting a flood of spam through,
>> > devaluing emails and text.
>>
>> You are delusional.
>
> gMail handles spam correctly, as does my private server,
> but most others do not, and it devalues email and texts.
>
>> > Don't lie to yourself, we've _both_ the www and Usenet.
>>
>> *This* is _not_ the WWW.
>
> Usenet has URL's; the web is here, now.
>
>> BTW, only lusers™ change the Subject to contain an opponent’s name.
>
> I want everyone to see how you'd ban URL's. OK ?
I don’t have to “ban _URLs_”.
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| From: Jeff-Relf.Me @.
| Newsgroups: sci.physics,news.software.readers,alt.free.newsservers
| Subject: Thomas Lahn would ban URL's.
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[x] F’up2 poster
>> > Likely, you can't configure Mozilla Thunderbird;
>> > too many settings, CSS, JavaScipt, extensions, etc.
>>
>> You have not the slightest idea what you are talking about
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>> or whom you are talking to.
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> I'm talking to a guy who uses kNode
> because he can't configure Thunderbird.
See?
--
PointedEars
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2017-08-28 15:55 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Thomas Lahn's GoogleGroups Spam Remover. |
| Message-ID | <D5C9ED70.B3759%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #647356 |
On 8/28/17, 2:25 PM, in article Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.28--2.25pm.Seattle.2017, "<Jeff-Relf.Me @.>" <> wrote: > > You ( SteveCarroll ) replied ( to me ): >>> If only Thomas Lahn ( PointedEars, Zollikofen ) could program JavaScript, >>> he'd be able to configure/extend Mozilla Thunderbird; >>> instead, he has to use ( the 100% proprietary ) kNode. >> >> [ http://pointedears.de/scripts/test/es-matrix/ ] > > Yes, but did you know about his GoogleGroups Spam Remover: > > https://github.com/PointedEars/userscripts/blob/master/ggSpamFilter.user.js > > Who's been using GoogleGroups to RoboSpam us, Jonas Eklundh ? > > SteveCarroll: Steve_Carroll│fretwizzer https://twitter.com/fretwizz > GoogleGroupsBot: Steve_Carroll│tmelmosfire Steven_Petruzzellis > Jonas_Eklundh For those who are using GG for whatever reason that is pretty cool... and reduces the harm of Carroll's nonsense. Still, for anyone who just lurks it will likely chase them off. > German speakers, like Lahn, have an odd idea of what Usenet is. > > Usenet isn't even Reddit, much less Wikipedia. > No, Usenet is a sea of fucking spam, a juvenile playground. > If it were anything else, I wouldn't be here. > > Buy a block of gigs from a binary server, > e.g. BlockNews.NET or Usenet-News.NET, > and you have a lifetime of ( mostly ) carefree posting. > > If you want to be really, really bad, post via Alt.NET . Carroll uses GG because no other provider would let him get away with his nonsense. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. <https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-08-31 18:04 +0200 |
| Subject | Google Groups spam filter (was: Thomas Lahn's GoogleGroups Spam Remover.) |
| Message-ID | <2379147.BddDVKsqQX@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #647670 |
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2017-08-25 18:39 -0700 |
| Subject | If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.25--6.39pm.Seattle.2017> |
| In reply to | #647204 |
You ( Thomas Lahn ) replied to me: > > Harvard Professor Lene Hau uses LaserCooled sodium to Stop/ReStart light. > > > > Quoting " Light Changed to Matter, Then Stopped and Moved " ＜＜ > > > > CAMBRIDGE, Mass., Feb. 8, 2007 -- By converting light > > into matter and then back again, physicists have for > > the first time stopped a light pulse and then > > restarted it a small distance away. > > […] > > https://www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=28520 > > even if true, it is not the same light that is being “restarted” > that was “stopped” before. The ReStarted/ReLocated light has the same signal, with the same data; hence its usefulness; see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_light If this Wikipedia article is wrong, please fix it.
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