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Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly.

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly.
Date 2017-08-23 22:12 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"
>happens inside an event horizon. 

>We see that Sgr A* is there, not by seeing it, but by tracking stars 
>that are orbiting it. 
>"

>How do you know there's matter there?

I just said we see stars orbiting it.
From Kepler's Laws and the period of the orbit, and the orbit
itself, we can tell what the mass of the thing being orbited is.
It's about 4.3 million solar masses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_orbit

>You don't see any.

Doesn't matter.  We see a bunch of stars orbiting "something" that
gives off no light of its own and has a mass of about 4.3 million
solar masses.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Galactic_centre_orbits.svg

>Why couldn't it be "Dark Matter", if there is, indeed, matter?

I don't think it is possible to have that much matter (dark or
otherwise) in such a small volume without it collapsing into a
black hole.

We know its mass, and we know its maximum diameter (from the closest
approach of a star that does not collide with it).

>Why couldn't it be a whirlpool in Space, that absorbs gravity?

"Absorbs gravity" doesn't even make sense (not even wrong).
"Whirlpool in Space" makes no sense as well (whirlpool of _what_?)

Again, we know that "it" has a mass of about 4.3 million solar
masses. Its diameter is less than 45 AU, otherwise the star S14 would
collide with it.  What else could it be?

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          Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-08-23 11:55 -0700
            Re: We can't see Sgr A* PROPER, directly. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-08-24 00:03 -0700
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            Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-23 23:01 +0000
              Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2017-08-24 10:14 +0100
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                Re: There is no evidence that TRUE black holes exist, none. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-25 20:04 +0200
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                Re: Sgr* isn't even a "black hole", much less a PRECISELY known singularity. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 07:18 -0700
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