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The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century.

Started byMax Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au>
First post2015-11-11 19:50 -0800
Last post2015-11-25 22:57 -0800
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  The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-11 19:50 -0800
    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 04:22 +0000
      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-12 10:05 -0500
        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 19:10 +0000
          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-13 05:52 -0500
            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 19:13 +0000
              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-13 19:38 -0500
                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-14 01:27 +0000
                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-14 15:55 -0500
                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-14 21:28 +0000
                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-15 10:30 -0500
                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-15 20:23 +0000
                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-16 05:42 -0500
                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-16 19:29 +0000
                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-17 05:08 -0500
                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-17 20:22 +0000
                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 14:16 -0800
                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-13 16:11 -0600
    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 08:43 -0600
      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-11-12 11:06 -0600
        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 19:01 +0000
      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-14 15:52 -0800
        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-15 01:03 +0000
          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-18 02:09 -0800
            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-18 19:39 +0000
              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-19 00:27 -0500
                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-19 05:40 +0000
                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-19 07:50 -0500
                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-19 18:37 +0000
                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 11:47 -0800
                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. "Sam Gordon" <invalid@examplll.com> - 2015-11-19 11:58 -0800
                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 12:21 -0800
                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-19 23:35 -0500
                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-20 07:22 +0000
                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-20 09:20 -0500
                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-20 17:47 +0000
                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-20 15:31 -0500
                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-20 21:56 +0000
                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-21 08:18 -0500
                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 19:02 +0000
                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-22 09:17 -0500
                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 19:07 +0000
                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-23 08:11 -0500
                                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 18:24 +0000
                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-24 21:37 -0500
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 19:08 -0800
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 23:33 -0500
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-25 13:44 +0000
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 06:25 -0800
                                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-26 15:19 +0000
                                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-26 08:51 -0800
                                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-27 14:06 +0000
                                                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-27 20:10 -0800
                                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-15 10:00 -0600
                                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 10:21 -0800
                                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-15 14:18 -0600
                                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 20:08 +0000
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-25 19:12 +0000
                                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-26 15:19 +0000
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-24 22:35 -0500
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-25 06:08 +0000
                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-21 14:37 +0000
                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 18:49 +0000
                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-22 14:50 +0000
                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 19:17 +0000
                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-23 14:13 +0000
                                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 18:32 +0000
                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-24 13:20 +0000
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-24 19:38 +0000
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-25 13:43 +0000
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-25 19:25 +0000
                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-22 11:03 -0500
                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 19:19 +0000
                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 11:46 -0800
                                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 20:27 +0000
                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:58 -0800
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 21:04 +0000
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-22 19:05 -0500
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 00:59 +0000
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 18:46 -0800
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 06:07 +0000
                                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 04:00 -0800
                                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 18:37 +0000
                                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 20:17 -0800
              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-19 16:07 -0800
                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-20 00:37 +0000
                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-22 16:28 -0800
                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-23 01:10 +0000
                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-25 14:13 -0800
                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-25 23:37 +0000
                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-29 16:17 -0800
                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-30 01:22 +0000
                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-12-03 15:12 -0800
                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-04 00:15 +0000
                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-03 23:34 -0500
                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-04 05:14 +0000
                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-12-05 17:01 -0800
                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-06 02:37 +0000
                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-06 00:55 -0500
                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-06 15:07 +0000
                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-06 10:15 -0500
                                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-06 18:51 +0000
                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-07 03:23 -0500
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-07 13:46 +0000
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-07 19:20 +0000
                                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-12-07 15:53 -0800
                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-06 18:44 +0000
                                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-14 15:12 +0000
                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-14 16:56 +0000
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-14 13:13 -0600
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 19:32 +0000
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-14 20:47 +0000
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 21:36 +0000
                                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-14 22:33 +0000
                                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 00:09 +0000
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-14 21:57 -0600
                                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 05:00 +0000
                                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jürgen Großenbuch <jurgengb@adenauer.org> - 2015-12-15 15:02 +0000
                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 19:13 +0000
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-15 13:06 +0000
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 19:31 +0000
                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-14 22:11 -0500
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 03:44 +0000
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-14 23:04 -0500
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 05:01 +0000
                                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-15 06:36 -0500
                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-12-12 02:43 -0800
                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-12 19:18 +0000
                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 00:48 -0500
                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 06:08 +0000
                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 03:21 -0500
                                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 19:13 +0000
                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 14:37 -0500
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 20:36 +0000
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 15:48 -0500
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 21:06 +0000
                                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 19:58 -0500
                                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 01:32 +0000
                                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 20:54 -0500
                                                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 03:15 +0000
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 19:55 -0500
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 01:52 +0000
                                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-13 22:38 -0500
                                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-14 06:07 +0000
                                                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-14 22:38 -0500
                                                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 05:04 +0000
                                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-15 06:50 -0500
                                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-12-15 13:06 +0000
                                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-15 08:53 -0500
                                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 19:52 +0000
                                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 19:48 +0000
                                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-12-15 22:12 -0500
                                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-16 03:44 +0000
                                              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-13 20:15 +0000
                                                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 20:20 +0000
                                                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Jason Wyome <jasonw@hotmail.org> - 2015-12-13 20:37 +0000
                                                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 21:06 +0000
                                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-12-15 02:24 -0800
                                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-15 20:03 +0000
                        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-26 15:18 +0000
                          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> - 2015-11-27 01:32 -0800
                            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-27 14:06 +0000
    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-12 15:17 -0800
      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-12 23:34 +0000
        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-13 05:57 -0500
          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-13 19:23 +0000
            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-13 19:53 -0500
    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. emptypost@hotmail.com - 2015-11-19 19:26 -0800
      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. emptypost@hotmail.com - 2015-11-19 19:40 -0800
    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. emptypost@hotmail.com - 2015-11-20 15:57 -0800
      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 00:30 +0000
        Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-20 21:53 -0500
          Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 07:15 +0000
            Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-21 13:46 -0500
              Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 19:57 +0000
                Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-21 15:50 -0500
                  Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-21 22:44 +0000
                    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2015-11-21 22:30 -0500
                      Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 05:14 +0000
    Re: The Case For Quick Basic In The 21st Century. emptypost@hotmail.com - 2015-11-25 22:57 -0800

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#532406

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-11-12 19:01 +0000
Message-ID<p94fhc-ei2.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#532332
gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 11/12/2015 8:43 AM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 11/11/15 9:50 PM, Max Keon wrote:
>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft
>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use
>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case.
>>
>>    What part of "the software is obsolete" did you miss?
>>
>>    Anybody that wants to download can do so here:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/quickbasic/
>>
>>    But, as the jimp points out 99% have no interest.
>>
>>    Modern computers come with the tools to compile all manner of code
>>    such as FORTRAN, C, C+, Objective C, Swift, etc.
>>
> 
> FORTRAN, with its lovely eight digit precision.

Depends on the version of FORTRAN.

> 
>         is PHP compiled ?

It can be but usually isn't.

> 
> and BASIC, with its lovely I/O with anything.
> 
> take BASIC + PC and you get  = Unknown/undefined PC interupts
> 
> 
> anyhow WIN XP is obsolete now, and WIN 7 soon will be, so IAW Microsoft, 
> it is no further use to Microsnot, there free for all.

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#533169

FromMax Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au>
Date2015-11-14 15:52 -0800
Message-ID<3df133e9-145b-48e9-90a4-ffee6e284f40@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#532311
> Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 11/11/15 9:50 PM, Max Keon wrote: 
>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft 
>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use 
>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. 
>
> What part of "the software is obsolete" did you miss? 

The "obsolete" part needs to be addressed, and that can only be 
done by attracting the attention of the Microsoft hierarchy. 

> Anybody that wants to download can do so here: 
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/quickbasic/ 

What was wrong with my link? 
http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html 

> But, as the jimp points out 99% have no interest. 
>
> Modern computers come with the tools to compile all manner of code 
> such as FORTRAN, C, C+, Objective C, Swift, etc. 

Quick Basic was included as part of the Windows package in 
Windows 95 and 98. Everyone had direct access to a copy. Programs 
could be written and freely shared across the internet. But at 
the time it's full potential as a simple communication tool was 
not realized. None of your software listed above comes **anywhere 
near** comparing with Qbasic. They are not included in any 
operating system software. And they all require fairly intensive 
training to even remotely master. Qbasic can be easily understood 
simply by using the rather brilliant help system. The description 
of every command (statement, function, operand ect.) usually 
comes with an example program that can be copy-pasted into the 
program window and run. By manipulating the variables the purpose 
of every command can be understood within a few minutes. 

How is your software stacking up so far? 

I've included a sample program for you. It can be copy-pasted 
directly off this screen into Qbasic. You'll need to click the 
icon at the top left corner of the window in which Qbasic is 
running. Click Edit. Click Paste. The program will be loaded in 
Qbasic. It demonstrates the effect of a slight variation in the 
normal gforce mechanism (GM/r^2.02). You will of course need to 
be running nothing later than XP. Let's hope that's all about to 
change. 

GM/r^2^(2.02) causes a rapid perihelion advance in the eccentric 
orbit shown. GM/r^(2.000001) still gives a greater perihelion 
advance for Mercury than is observed. But there seems to be no 
reason why this should happen. 

The program can be loaded into Qbasic and be up and running in 
less than 40 seconds. Your software suggestions are obviously 
still in the dark ages by comparison. 

-----

Max Keon

'--------
DEFDBL A-Z
SCREEN 12
CLS
COLOR 7
LOCATE 7, 14
LOCATE 9, 16: PRINT "Control Break halts any Qbasic program"
LOCATE 10, 12
CIRCLE (230, 240), 7, 14
c = 299792458#
G = .0000000000667#
M = 1.99D+30
pi = 3.14159#
x = 69820000000#: vy = 38850#
dt = 400
lastrad = x
k = 2
aa:
radius = SQR(x ^ 2# + y ^ 2#)
rv = (radius - lastrad) / dt
'-------
gforce = -G * M / radius ^ 2.02#
'-------
accel = gforce
ax = accel * (x / radius)
ay = accel * (y / radius)
vx = vx + dt * ax
vy = vy + dt * ay
x = x + dt * vx
y = y + dt * vy
IF rv < 0 AND f1 = 1 THEN GOSUB ac
IF rv > 0 AND f1 = 0 THEN f1 = 1
lastrad = radius
CIRCLE (230 + x * 6E-10, 240 + y * 6E-10), 0, k
GOTO aa

ac:
CIRCLE (230 + x / 1.5E+09, 240 + y / 1.5E+09), 3, 11
f1 = 0
inc = inc + 1
k = k + 1: IF k > 15 THEN k = 1
IF inc = 5 THEN END
RETURN

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#533182

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-11-15 01:03 +0000
Message-ID<s82lhc-5g6.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#533169
Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> Sam Wormley wrote:
>>> On 11/11/15 9:50 PM, Max Keon wrote: 
>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft 
>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use 
>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. 
>>
>> What part of "the software is obsolete" did you miss? 
> 
> The "obsolete" part needs to be addressed, and that can only be 
> done by attracting the attention of the Microsoft hierarchy. 
> 
>> Anybody that wants to download can do so here: 
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/quickbasic/ 
> 
> What was wrong with my link? 
> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html 
> 
>> But, as the jimp points out 99% have no interest. 
>>
>> Modern computers come with the tools to compile all manner of code 
>> such as FORTRAN, C, C+, Objective C, Swift, etc. 
> 
> Quick Basic was included as part of the Windows package in 
> Windows 95 and 98. Everyone had direct access to a copy. Programs 
> could be written and freely shared across the internet. But at 
> the time it's full potential as a simple communication tool was 

Quick BASIC is incapable of communicating with anything other than
a pipe through the command line.


> not realized. None of your software listed above comes **anywhere 
> near** comparing with Qbasic. They are not included in any 
> operating system software.

All are optional on most OS's, even Microsoft.

> GM/r^2^(2.02) causes a rapid perihelion advance in the eccentric 

Today done with a $10.00 calculator.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#533905

FromMax Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au>
Date2015-11-18 02:09 -0800
Message-ID<74d12771-4846-4eba-90fc-cd1ea56868f1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#533182
On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 12:16:05 PM UTC+11, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Max Keon <msk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: 
>>> Sam Wormley wrote: 
>>>> On 11/11/15 9:50 PM, Max Keon wrote: 
>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft 
>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use 
>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. 
>>> 
>>> What part of "the software is obsolete" did you miss? 
>> 
>> The "obsolete" part needs to be addressed, and that can only be 
>> done by attracting the attention of the Microsoft hierarchy. 
>> 
>>> Anybody that wants to download can do so here: 
>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/quickbasic/ 
>> 
>> What was wrong with my link? 
>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html 
>> 
>>> But, as the jimp points out 99% have no interest. 
>>> 
>>> Modern computers come with the tools to compile all manner of code 
>>> such as FORTRAN, C, C+, Objective C, Swift, etc. 
>> 
>> Quick Basic was included as part of the Windows package in 
>> Windows 95 and 98. Everyone had direct access to a copy. Programs 
>> could be written and freely shared across the internet. But at 
>> the time it's full potential as a simple communication tool was 
>
> Quick BASIC is incapable of communicating with anything other than 
> a pipe through the command line. 
>
>> not realized. None of your software listed above comes **anywhere 
>> near** comparing with Qbasic. They are not included in any 
>> operating system software. 
>
> All are optional on most OS's, even Microsoft. 

So you think I should post multiple programs to cover every 
possible software option? That would be absolutely ridiculous. 

>> GM/r^2^(2.02) causes a rapid perihelion advance in the eccentric 
>
> Today done with a $10.00 calculator. 

The same calculator could handle this as well; (t^2*f/2)^2 . 
't' is the time over a half orbit cycle. f is a proposed change 
in the gravity force that's generated by the radial velocity 
between objects in eccentric orbits. i.e. Sun-Mercury, Sun-Pluto. 
The only problem is in determining a value for 'f'. Due to the 
number of variables involved a simple formula doesn't seem 
possible. The force 'f' is time dependent and needs to be 
calculated in set time segments. A program can be set up to do 
this. But which programming language should I choose for this 
program? **The one that's freely available on everyone's computer 
of course.** 

These are the result from one such program. The average 
anisotropic force generated in the Sun-Pluto system is 
f = -3.214181344702657D-17 and +3.214181344702657D-17 m/sec^2. 
The latter is required to determine the perihelion advance. 
t = 3948440000 sec half orbit cycle time.
(t^2*f/2)^2 = 62774.45 meter advance per orbit (248 years).

37326885490844.26 meter average orbit circumference.
62774.45234128569 / 37326885490844.26 * 360 * 3600 =
2.179546703789729D-03 arcsec advance per orbit.

The program can obviously be used for any elliptical orbit. 

'--the program----
DEFDBL A-Z
SCREEN 12
CLS
CIRCLE (230, 240), 7, 14
c = 299792458#
G = .0000000000667#
M = 1.99D+30
pi = 3.14159#
' ---Pluto data -------------------------------------
'49.5 AU aphelion 29.7 AU perihelion
x = 7.425E+12: vy = 3662 ' Aphelion start.
'3662 was derived through trial and error until the 
'correct perihelion radius was found. I would need to 
'wait until the year 2113 to observe the orbital speed 
'at aphelion.
' -------------------------------
xm = x
lastrad = x
dt = 40000     'seconds per segment

aa:
inc = inc + 1
radius = SQR(x ^ 2 + y ^ 2)
rv = (radius - lastrad) / dt  ' rv = radial velocity
lastrad = radius
gforce = -G * M / radius ^ 2#
anis = rv ^ 2 / c ^ 2 * (G * M / radius ^ 2)
acceleration = gforce + anis
ani2 = ani2 + anis
ax = acceleration * (x / radius)
ay = acceleration * (y / radius)
vx = vx + dt * ax
vy = vy + dt * ay
x = x + dt * vx
y = y + dt * vy
CIRCLE (230 + x * 8E-12, 240 + y * 8E-12), 0, 11
IF rv > 0 AND f1 = 1 THEN GOTO ab
IF rv < 0 AND f1 = 0 THEN f1 = 1
GOTO aa

ab:
aniav = ani2 / inc
PRINT "f ="; aniav; "average anisotropic force."
t = inc * dt
PRINT "t ="; t; "sec half orbit cycle time."
adv = (t ^ 2 * aniav / 2) ^ 2
PRINT "(t^2*f/2)^2 ="; adv; "meter advance per orbit (248 years)."
PRINT
circ = (xm + radius) * pi
PRINT circ; "meter average orbit circumference."
PRINT adv; "/"; circ; "* 360 * 3600 ="
PRINT adv / circ * 360 * 3600; "arcsec advance per orbit."
'---end---

It takes only one minute to, start Qbasic, copy the program, 
paste it into Qbasic, run it and generate the value for 'f'. 

Your $10 dollar calculator is fairly useless in this case. 

-----

Max Keon

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#533978

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-11-18 19:39 +0000
Message-ID<kn0vhc-rda.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#533905
Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 12:16:05 PM UTC+11, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Max Keon <msk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: 
>>>> Sam Wormley wrote: 
>>>>> On 11/11/15 9:50 PM, Max Keon wrote: 
>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft 
>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use 
>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. 
>>>> 
>>>> What part of "the software is obsolete" did you miss? 
>>> 
>>> The "obsolete" part needs to be addressed, and that can only be 
>>> done by attracting the attention of the Microsoft hierarchy. 
>>> 
>>>> Anybody that wants to download can do so here: 
>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/quickbasic/ 
>>> 
>>> What was wrong with my link? 
>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html 
>>> 
>>>> But, as the jimp points out 99% have no interest. 
>>>> 
>>>> Modern computers come with the tools to compile all manner of code 
>>>> such as FORTRAN, C, C+, Objective C, Swift, etc. 
>>> 
>>> Quick Basic was included as part of the Windows package in 
>>> Windows 95 and 98. Everyone had direct access to a copy. Programs 
>>> could be written and freely shared across the internet. But at 
>>> the time it's full potential as a simple communication tool was 
>>
>> Quick BASIC is incapable of communicating with anything other than 
>> a pipe through the command line. 
>>
>>> not realized. None of your software listed above comes **anywhere 
>>> near** comparing with Qbasic. They are not included in any 
>>> operating system software. 
>>
>> All are optional on most OS's, even Microsoft. 
> 
> So you think I should post multiple programs to cover every 
> possible software option? That would be absolutely ridiculous. 

I never said any such thing.

What I did say is there are LOTS of languages available for free.

>>> GM/r^2^(2.02) causes a rapid perihelion advance in the eccentric 
>>
>> Today done with a $10.00 calculator. 
> 
> The same calculator could handle this as well; (t^2*f/2)^2 . 
> 't' is the time over a half orbit cycle. f is a proposed change 
> in the gravity force that's generated by the radial velocity 
> between objects in eccentric orbits. i.e. Sun-Mercury, Sun-Pluto. 
> The only problem is in determining a value for 'f'. Due to the 
> number of variables involved a simple formula doesn't seem 
> possible. The force 'f' is time dependent and needs to be 
> calculated in set time segments. A program can be set up to do 
> this. But which programming language should I choose for this 
> program? **The one that's freely available on everyone's computer 
> of course.** 

Take your pick.

> These are the result from one such program. The average 
> anisotropic force generated in the Sun-Pluto system is 
> f = -3.214181344702657D-17 and +3.214181344702657D-17 m/sec^2. 
> The latter is required to determine the perihelion advance. 
> t = 3948440000 sec half orbit cycle time.
> (t^2*f/2)^2 = 62774.45 meter advance per orbit (248 years).
> 
> 37326885490844.26 meter average orbit circumference.
> 62774.45234128569 / 37326885490844.26 * 360 * 3600 =
> 2.179546703789729D-03 arcsec advance per orbit.
> 
> The program can obviously be used for any elliptical orbit. 
> 
> '--the program----
> DEFDBL A-Z
> SCREEN 12
> CLS
> CIRCLE (230, 240), 7, 14
> c = 299792458#
> G = .0000000000667#
> M = 1.99D+30
> pi = 3.14159#
> ' ---Pluto data -------------------------------------
> '49.5 AU aphelion 29.7 AU perihelion
> x = 7.425E+12: vy = 3662 ' Aphelion start.
> '3662 was derived through trial and error until the 
> 'correct perihelion radius was found. I would need to 
> 'wait until the year 2113 to observe the orbital speed 
> 'at aphelion.
> ' -------------------------------
> xm = x
> lastrad = x
> dt = 40000     'seconds per segment
> 
> aa:
> inc = inc + 1
> radius = SQR(x ^ 2 + y ^ 2)
> rv = (radius - lastrad) / dt  ' rv = radial velocity
> lastrad = radius
> gforce = -G * M / radius ^ 2#
> anis = rv ^ 2 / c ^ 2 * (G * M / radius ^ 2)
> acceleration = gforce + anis
> ani2 = ani2 + anis
> ax = acceleration * (x / radius)
> ay = acceleration * (y / radius)
> vx = vx + dt * ax
> vy = vy + dt * ay
> x = x + dt * vx
> y = y + dt * vy
> CIRCLE (230 + x * 8E-12, 240 + y * 8E-12), 0, 11
> IF rv > 0 AND f1 = 1 THEN GOTO ab
> IF rv < 0 AND f1 = 0 THEN f1 = 1
> GOTO aa
> 
> ab:
> aniav = ani2 / inc
> PRINT "f ="; aniav; "average anisotropic force."
> t = inc * dt
> PRINT "t ="; t; "sec half orbit cycle time."
> adv = (t ^ 2 * aniav / 2) ^ 2
> PRINT "(t^2*f/2)^2 ="; adv; "meter advance per orbit (248 years)."
> PRINT
> circ = (xm + radius) * pi
> PRINT circ; "meter average orbit circumference."
> PRINT adv; "/"; circ; "* 360 * 3600 ="
> PRINT adv / circ * 360 * 3600; "arcsec advance per orbit."
> '---end---
> 
> It takes only one minute to, start Qbasic, copy the program, 
> paste it into Qbasic, run it and generate the value for 'f'. 
> 
> Your $10 dollar calculator is fairly useless in this case. 

Yes, for this problem one would need to spend another 10 or 20 dollars
for a programable calculator, or use just about any programming language
of the many that are available for free.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#534016

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2015-11-19 00:27 -0500
Message-ID<7pmq4bdijbf8ofq4o2eb4tdil69er6kpb2@4ax.com>
In reply to#533978
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:39:00 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>Max Keon <mskeon@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 12:16:05 PM UTC+11, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Max Keon <msk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: 
>>>>> Sam Wormley wrote: 
>>>>>> On 11/11/15 9:50 PM, Max Keon wrote: 
>>>>>> I was given verbal permission in a phone conversation with a Microsoft 
>>>>>> representative. He said the software was obsolete and of no further use 
>>>>>> to Microsoft. I couldn't expect more than a verbal OK in this case. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> What part of "the software is obsolete" did you miss? 
>>>> 
>>>> The "obsolete" part needs to be addressed, and that can only be 
>>>> done by attracting the attention of the Microsoft hierarchy. 
>>>> 
>>>>> Anybody that wants to download can do so here: 
>>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/quickbasic/ 
>>>> 
>>>> What was wrong with my link? 
>>>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/mskeon/qbastest.html 
>>>> 
>>>>> But, as the jimp points out 99% have no interest. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Modern computers come with the tools to compile all manner of code 
>>>>> such as FORTRAN, C, C+, Objective C, Swift, etc. 
>>>> 
>>>> Quick Basic was included as part of the Windows package in 
>>>> Windows 95 and 98. Everyone had direct access to a copy. Programs 
>>>> could be written and freely shared across the internet. But at 
>>>> the time it's full potential as a simple communication tool was 
>>>
>>> Quick BASIC is incapable of communicating with anything other than 
>>> a pipe through the command line. 
>>>
>>>> not realized. None of your software listed above comes **anywhere 
>>>> near** comparing with Qbasic. They are not included in any 
>>>> operating system software. 
>>>
>>> All are optional on most OS's, even Microsoft. 
>> 
>> So you think I should post multiple programs to cover every 
>> possible software option? That would be absolutely ridiculous. 
>
>I never said any such thing.
>
>What I did say is there are LOTS of languages available for free.
>
>>>> GM/r^2^(2.02) causes a rapid perihelion advance in the eccentric 
>>>
>>> Today done with a $10.00 calculator. 
>> 
>> The same calculator could handle this as well; (t^2*f/2)^2 . 
>> 't' is the time over a half orbit cycle. f is a proposed change 
>> in the gravity force that's generated by the radial velocity 
>> between objects in eccentric orbits. i.e. Sun-Mercury, Sun-Pluto. 
>> The only problem is in determining a value for 'f'. Due to the 
>> number of variables involved a simple formula doesn't seem 
>> possible. The force 'f' is time dependent and needs to be 
>> calculated in set time segments. A program can be set up to do 
>> this. But which programming language should I choose for this 
>> program? **The one that's freely available on everyone's computer 
>> of course.** 
>
>Take your pick.
>
>> These are the result from one such program. The average 
>> anisotropic force generated in the Sun-Pluto system is 
>> f = -3.214181344702657D-17 and +3.214181344702657D-17 m/sec^2. 
>> The latter is required to determine the perihelion advance. 
>> t = 3948440000 sec half orbit cycle time.
>> (t^2*f/2)^2 = 62774.45 meter advance per orbit (248 years).
>> 
>> 37326885490844.26 meter average orbit circumference.
>> 62774.45234128569 / 37326885490844.26 * 360 * 3600 =
>> 2.179546703789729D-03 arcsec advance per orbit.
>> 
>> The program can obviously be used for any elliptical orbit. 
>> 
>> '--the program----
>> DEFDBL A-Z
>> SCREEN 12
>> CLS
>> CIRCLE (230, 240), 7, 14
>> c = 299792458#
>> G = .0000000000667#
>> M = 1.99D+30
>> pi = 3.14159#
>> ' ---Pluto data -------------------------------------
>> '49.5 AU aphelion 29.7 AU perihelion
>> x = 7.425E+12: vy = 3662 ' Aphelion start.
>> '3662 was derived through trial and error until the 
>> 'correct perihelion radius was found. I would need to 
>> 'wait until the year 2113 to observe the orbital speed 
>> 'at aphelion.
>> ' -------------------------------
>> xm = x
>> lastrad = x
>> dt = 40000     'seconds per segment
>> 
>> aa:
>> inc = inc + 1
>> radius = SQR(x ^ 2 + y ^ 2)
>> rv = (radius - lastrad) / dt  ' rv = radial velocity
>> lastrad = radius
>> gforce = -G * M / radius ^ 2#
>> anis = rv ^ 2 / c ^ 2 * (G * M / radius ^ 2)
>> acceleration = gforce + anis
>> ani2 = ani2 + anis
>> ax = acceleration * (x / radius)
>> ay = acceleration * (y / radius)
>> vx = vx + dt * ax
>> vy = vy + dt * ay
>> x = x + dt * vx
>> y = y + dt * vy
>> CIRCLE (230 + x * 8E-12, 240 + y * 8E-12), 0, 11
>> IF rv > 0 AND f1 = 1 THEN GOTO ab
>> IF rv < 0 AND f1 = 0 THEN f1 = 1
>> GOTO aa
>> 
>> ab:
>> aniav = ani2 / inc
>> PRINT "f ="; aniav; "average anisotropic force."
>> t = inc * dt
>> PRINT "t ="; t; "sec half orbit cycle time."
>> adv = (t ^ 2 * aniav / 2) ^ 2
>> PRINT "(t^2*f/2)^2 ="; adv; "meter advance per orbit (248 years)."
>> PRINT
>> circ = (xm + radius) * pi
>> PRINT circ; "meter average orbit circumference."
>> PRINT adv; "/"; circ; "* 360 * 3600 ="
>> PRINT adv / circ * 360 * 3600; "arcsec advance per orbit."
>> '---end---
>> 
>> It takes only one minute to, start Qbasic, copy the program, 
>> paste it into Qbasic, run it and generate the value for 'f'. 
>> 
>> Your $10 dollar calculator is fairly useless in this case. 
>
>Yes, for this problem one would need to spend another 10 or 20 dollars
>for a programable calculator, or use just about any programming language
>of the many that are available for free.

Your $30 calculator wouldn't have a disk drive to store the program in
a convenient form. Nor would it help you email your program to others.

The OS comes with gigabytes of files. Why can't they include another
100 kb file?

Do you use all the functions in Excel?

Should the IMCOS function be removed because 99% of Excel users don't
need it?

Windows comes with CSCRIPT, but the PRINT statement in BASIC is more
flexible and easier to type than "wscript.echo."

Yes, we can go find and install FreeBASIC, but there is something to
be said for common, simple porgamming language available on all
Windows machines.

Unless you are a control-freak bastard in a corporate IT department.

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#534019

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-11-19 05:40 +0000
Message-ID<8v30ic-82e.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#534016
Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
 
> Your $30 calculator wouldn't have a disk drive to store the program in
> a convenient form. Nor would it help you email your program to others.

Irrelevant to the main arguement that there are lots of free languages
available.

> The OS comes with gigabytes of files. Why can't they include another
> 100 kb file?

The same reason they don't come with every application that exists.

> Do you use all the functions in Excel?
> 
> Should the IMCOS function be removed because 99% of Excel users don't
> need it?

Excel is an application, not an operating system.

> Windows comes with CSCRIPT, but the PRINT statement in BASIC is more
> flexible and easier to type than "wscript.echo."

PHP: echo or print.

Perl: print.

What's your point?

> Yes, we can go find and install FreeBASIC, but there is something to
> be said for common, simple porgamming language available on all
> Windows machines.

Or the current version of Visual Studio from Microsoft or any number
of other interpreted languages that are all available as a download.

> Unless you are a control-freak bastard in a corporate IT department.

No one is forcing anyone to use the advanced features of any language.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#534033

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2015-11-19 07:50 -0500
Message-ID<1ugr4bp5uso6kuid4h2q6u3jqk06e5kk6p@4ax.com>
In reply to#534019
On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 05:40:24 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> 
>> Your $30 calculator wouldn't have a disk drive to store the program in
>> a convenient form. Nor would it help you email your program to others.
>
>Irrelevant to the main arguement that there are lots of free languages
>available.

Also important: Microsoft took something away that was useful to some
and traditionally included in all their OS releases until recently.


>> The OS comes with gigabytes of files. Why can't they include another
>> 100 kb file?
>
>The same reason they don't come with every application that exists.
>
>> Do you use all the functions in Excel?
>> 
>> Should the IMCOS function be removed because 99% of Excel users don't
>> need it?
>
>Excel is an application, not an operating system.
>
>> Windows comes with CSCRIPT, but the PRINT statement in BASIC is more
>> flexible and easier to type than "wscript.echo."
>
>PHP: echo or print.
>
>Perl: print.

... but don't forget the semicolons at the end of each line.

>What's your point?

Summary began in the next line.

>> Yes, we can go find and install FreeBASIC, but there is something to
>> be said for common, simple porgamming language available on all
>> Windows machines.
>
>Or the current version of Visual Studio from Microsoft or any number
>of other interpreted languages that are all available as a download.

... which must be downloaded. And possibly installed ... if the user
has rights to install the software.

>> Unless you are a control-freak bastard in a corporate IT department.
>
>No one is forcing anyone to use the advanced features of any language.

But they are prevented from using code they had already written (or
received from others) in a simple environment with decent error
messages if something is or goes wrong.
 
Another option: Download Linux and tell Microsoft to pound sand.

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#534071

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-11-19 18:37 +0000
Message-ID<9gh1ic-34j.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#534033
Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 05:40:24 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Your $30 calculator wouldn't have a disk drive to store the program in
>>> a convenient form. Nor would it help you email your program to others.
>>
>>Irrelevant to the main arguement that there are lots of free languages
>>available.
> 
> Also important: Microsoft took something away that was useful to some
> and traditionally included in all their OS releases until recently.

If by recently you mean 27 years ago.

And one more time for the very thick headed, Microsoft still supplies
a version of BASIC as a free download.


>>> The OS comes with gigabytes of files. Why can't they include another
>>> 100 kb file?
>>
>>The same reason they don't come with every application that exists.
>>
>>> Do you use all the functions in Excel?
>>> 
>>> Should the IMCOS function be removed because 99% of Excel users don't
>>> need it?
>>
>>Excel is an application, not an operating system.
>>
>>> Windows comes with CSCRIPT, but the PRINT statement in BASIC is more
>>> flexible and easier to type than "wscript.echo."
>>
>>PHP: echo or print.
>>
>>Perl: print.
> 
> ... but don't forget the semicolons at the end of each line.

In BASIC, don't forget the LET in front of every assignment.

In BASIC, don't forget the GOSUB to call a subroutine.

>>What's your point?
> 
> Summary began in the next line.
> 
>>> Yes, we can go find and install FreeBASIC, but there is something to
>>> be said for common, simple porgamming language available on all
>>> Windows machines.
>>
>>Or the current version of Visual Studio from Microsoft or any number
>>of other interpreted languages that are all available as a download.
> 
> ... which must be downloaded. And possibly installed ... if the user
> has rights to install the software.

If the user does not have rights to install software, most likely it
is a corporate computer and the user has no business screwing around
with non-corporate activities.

If the user does not have rights to install software, it is guaranteed
the user doesn't own the computer and has no business screwing around
with the configuration.

>>> Unless you are a control-freak bastard in a corporate IT department.
>>
>>No one is forcing anyone to use the advanced features of any language.
> 
> But they are prevented from using code they had already written (or
> received from others) in a simple environment with decent error
> messages if something is or goes wrong.

No they are not.

One more time for the really thick headed; BASIC is STILL available
for free, you just have to down load it.

Yes, the current free BASIC has more features the the version from 27
years ago.

No, no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to use those
features.

> Another option: Download Linux and tell Microsoft to pound sand.
 
You still have to download programming languages for almost all Linux
distributions that are not targeted at being servers and even then
you still might depending on what language you want.

Perl is the only language I can think of that is automatically included
with all Unix/Linux OS distributions these days.



-- 
Jim Pennino

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#534076

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-19 11:47 -0800
Message-ID<bbb13ff3-0903-4afb-a29e-99e1d2916c79@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#534071
On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 1:46:06 PM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 05:40:24 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > 
> >>Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Your $$30 calculator wouldn't have a disk drive to store the program in
> >>> a convenient form. Nor would it help you email your program to others.
> >>
> >>Irrelevant to the main arguement that there are lots of free languages
> >>available.
> > 
> > Also important: Microsoft took something away that was useful to some
> > and traditionally included in all their OS releases until recently.
> 
> If by recently you mean 27 years ago.

He he... I do the age old jokes around here. So stop that!

> And one more time for the very thick headed, Microsoft still supplies
> a version of BASIC as a free download.
> 
> >>> The OS comes with gigabytes of files. Why can't they include another
> >>> 100 kb file?
> >>
> >>The same reason they don't come with every application that exists.

Often, I wonder, why can't I just download the entire WWW, then read
offline? I must have too much time on my hands to ponder such quests.

> >>> Do you use all the functions in Excel?
> >>> 
> >>> Should the IMCOS function be removed because 99% of Excel users don't
> >>> need it?
> >>
> >>Excel is an application, not an operating system.

Excel, all of MSOffice, are for suckers and suckretaries. Spell check?
AnyWhoHow... using them pays well for those allowed to be hired.

> >>> Windows comes with CSCRIPT, but the PRINT statement in BASIC is more
> >>> flexible and easier to type than "wscript.echo."
> >>
> >>PHP: echo or print.
> >>
> >>Perl: print.
> > 
> > ... but don't forget the semicolons at the end of each line.
> 
> In BASIC, don't forget the LET in front of every assignment.
> 
> In BASIC, don't forget the GOSUB to call a subroutine.

These days, 2015, everyone ought start with Perl, Ruby, Python, or
Swift. Always attempt Assembly, not that I ever did.

> >>What's your point?
> > 
> > Summary began in the next line.
> > 
> >>> Yes, we can go find and install FreeBASIC, but there is something to
> >>> be said for common, simple porgamming language available on all
> >>> Windows machines.
> >>
> >>Or the current version of Visual Studio from Microsoft or any number
> >>of other interpreted languages that are all available as a download.
> > 
> > ... which must be downloaded. And possibly installed ... if the user
> > has rights to install the software.
> 
> If the user does not have rights to install software, most likely it
> is a corporate computer and the user has no business screwing around
> with non-corporate activities.

Moral: Be your own corporation, not some Corp.gov.state.job.pawn period!

> If the user does not have rights to install software, it is guaranteed
> the user doesn't own the computer and has no business screwing around
> with the configuration.

That sounds great. Until your best friend, call him Craig, brings a
yet another Windows install CD disk and reformats your entire precious
hard drive. He didn't even know there was a Linux partition there for
safe keeping my meanderings. Anywho... Basically, never allow another
person physical or cloud accessed to reinstall your applications or,
especially, your OS. Too late!! You We Us They Must Trust The Cloud
Handlers?! Fwiw, I also know one Xwife who simply threw away by trash
my precious computer, hard drive and all. TMI? Go fuck yourselves.

Lesson? The only meanderings of mine that remain are those that I
posted to Usenet. That tiny subset of meanderings, I can still find.

> >>> Unless you are a control-freak bastard in a corporate IT department.
> >>
> >>No one is forcing anyone to use the advanced features of any language.
> > 
> > But they are prevented from using code they had already written (or
> > received from others) in a simple environment with decent error
> > messages if something is or goes wrong.
> 
> No they are not.
> 
> One more time for the really thick headed; BASIC is STILL available
> for free, you just have to down load it.
> 
> Yes, the current free BASIC has more features the the version from 27
> years ago.
> 
> No, no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to use those
> features.
> 
> > Another option: Download Linux and tell Microsoft to pound sand.
>  
> You still have to download programming languages for almost all Linux
> distributions that are not targeted at being servers and even then
> you still might depending on what language you want.

People, download cygwin, and just work with it on Windows. Grep cygwin.

> Perl is the only language I can think of that is automatically included
> with all Unix/Linux OS distributions these days.

MACs are basically Unix/Linux. Look under the rectangle. Be discreet.

> -- 
> Jim Pennino

-- Mahipal

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#534077

From"Sam Gordon" <invalid@examplll.com>
Date2015-11-19 11:58 -0800
Message-ID<n2l9lp$ga6$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#534076
Mahipal, 14 August 2015:

A lot of posters do not like me. Apparently. By a
lot, I mean a lot Lot LOT of people. I hurt their
sensibilities. It's like I was once married to them
all. Regardless... I am leaving Usenet now and
forever. It's their playground and I obviously
am not welcome.   Also, I like Hitler a lot.  A Lot.
I'd like to kill the guy who killed Hitler.  A Lot!

So goodbye Goodbye GOODBYE.

Nothing I post.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/sci.physics/UIfOYtrXEMc/DCrgBtWzmxUJ

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#534082

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-19 12:21 -0800
Message-ID<2be23544-b7f7-4f79-863e-fe503714f383@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#534077
On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 2:58:58 PM UTC-5, Sam Gordon wrote:
> Mahipal, 14 August 2015:
> 
> A lot of posters do not like me. Apparently. By a
> lot, I mean a lot Lot LOT of people. I hurt their
> sensibilities. It's like I was once married to them
> all. Regardless... I am leaving Usenet now and
> forever. It's their playground and I obviously
> am not welcome.   Also, I like Hitler a lot.  A Lot.
> I'd like to kill the guy who killed Hitler.  A Lot!
> 
> So goodbye Goodbye GOODBYE.
> 
> Nothing I post.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/sci.physics/UIfOYtrXEMc/DCrgBtWzmxUJ

Sam Sam Sam... Gordon Gordon Gordon... no one alive on planet Earth
wrote the crazy crap that you yourself did just now. Stalk away Sam!

-- Mahipal

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#534160

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2015-11-19 23:35 -0500
Message-ID<ti7t4bpq51kk1f5ebh9bs8rqdqqpmuudrm@4ax.com>
In reply to#534071
On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:37:29 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 05:40:24 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> 
>>>Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Your $30 calculator wouldn't have a disk drive to store the program in
>>>> a convenient form. Nor would it help you email your program to others.
>>>
>>>Irrelevant to the main arguement that there are lots of free languages
>>>available.
>> 
>> Also important: Microsoft took something away that was useful to some
>> and traditionally included in all their OS releases until recently.
>
>If by recently you mean 27 years ago.

Windows 98 wasn't 27 years ago.

>And one more time for the very thick headed, Microsoft still supplies
>a version of BASIC as a free download.

But it won't run the QBASIC programs I wrote 20 years ago, will it?


>>>> The OS comes with gigabytes of files. Why can't they include another
>>>> 100 kb file?
>>>
>>>The same reason they don't come with every application that exists.
>>>
>>>> Do you use all the functions in Excel?
>>>> 
>>>> Should the IMCOS function be removed because 99% of Excel users don't
>>>> need it?
>>>
>>>Excel is an application, not an operating system.

Which is irrelevant to the attempted point that if 99% of users don't
need it, M$ shouldn't include it.


>>>> Windows comes with CSCRIPT, but the PRINT statement in BASIC is more
>>>> flexible and easier to type than "wscript.echo."
>>>
>>>PHP: echo or print.
>>>
>>>Perl: print.
>> 
>> ... but don't forget the semicolons at the end of each line.
>
>In BASIC, don't forget the LET in front of every assignment.
>
>In BASIC, don't forget the GOSUB to call a subroutine.

QBASIC needed neither.


>>>What's your point?
>> 
>> Summary began in the next line.
>> 
>>>> Yes, we can go find and install FreeBASIC, but there is something to
>>>> be said for common, simple porgamming language available on all
>>>> Windows machines.
>>>
>>>Or the current version of Visual Studio from Microsoft or any number
>>>of other interpreted languages that are all available as a download.
>> 
>> ... which must be downloaded. And possibly installed ... if the user
>> has rights to install the software.
>
>If the user does not have rights to install software, most likely it
>is a corporate computer and the user has no business screwing around
>with non-corporate activities.

Why do you assume that someone who wants to run a QBASIC program is
necessarily engaged in non-corporate activities?


>If the user does not have rights to install software, it is guaranteed
>the user doesn't own the computer

Which is why it would be handy for QBASIC to be pre-installed.

>and has no business screwing around
>with the configuration.

Corporate IT control-freak bastards like to hear that.

It's 11:30 pm. I need a program installed *now* to meet a deadline
tomorrow morning. And I have no business installing a program that
will allow me to get my work done?

Bullshit!

>>>> Unless you are a control-freak bastard in a corporate IT department.
>>>
>>>No one is forcing anyone to use the advanced features of any language.
>> 
>> But they are prevented from using code they had already written (or
>> received from others) in a simple environment with decent error
>> messages if something is or goes wrong.
>
>No they are not.

Yes, they are.

Many newer BASICs are infested with syntax that resembles
object-oriented crap with methods, properties, etc.

And the user is required to write wrappers that set up graphics
screens, or console modes, etc.


>One more time for the really thick headed; BASIC is STILL available
>for free, you just have to down load it.

Many flavors of BASIC are available for free. A program written in one
dialect probably won't run without modification in another.


>Yes, the current free BASIC has more features the the version from 27
>years ago.
>
>No, no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to use those
>features.

Incompatibilities between BASIC dialects are a problem. If the same
dialect was available on all Windows machines, like it was more
recently than 27 years ago, it would be easier for people to share
simple programs.

You don't want to. Fine. Others do. Microsoft made it more difficult
than it was.

>> Another option: Download Linux and tell Microsoft to pound sand.
> 
>You still have to download programming languages for almost all Linux
>distributions that are not targeted at being servers and even then
>you still might depending on what language you want.
>
>Perl is the only language I can think of that is automatically included
>with all Unix/Linux OS distributions these days.

Which is irrelevant to the *change* made by Microsoft.

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#534173

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-11-20 07:22 +0000
Message-ID<gbu2ic-qpn.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#534160
Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:37:29 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 05:40:24 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>>Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Your $30 calculator wouldn't have a disk drive to store the program in
>>>>> a convenient form. Nor would it help you email your program to others.
>>>>
>>>>Irrelevant to the main arguement that there are lots of free languages
>>>>available.
>>> 
>>> Also important: Microsoft took something away that was useful to some
>>> and traditionally included in all their OS releases until recently.
>>
>>If by recently you mean 27 years ago.
> 
> Windows 98 wasn't 27 years ago.

The last update to Quick Basic was.

>>And one more time for the very thick headed, Microsoft still supplies
>>a version of BASIC as a free download.
> 
> But it won't run the QBASIC programs I wrote 20 years ago, will it?

I doubt any QBASIC program written 20 years ago is worth running, but
if it were, does the word 'porting' mean anything to you?

> 
>>>>> The OS comes with gigabytes of files. Why can't they include another
>>>>> 100 kb file?
>>>>
>>>>The same reason they don't come with every application that exists.
>>>>
>>>>> Do you use all the functions in Excel?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Should the IMCOS function be removed because 99% of Excel users don't
>>>>> need it?
>>>>
>>>>Excel is an application, not an operating system.
> 
> Which is irrelevant to the attempted point that if 99% of users don't
> need it, M$ shouldn't include it.

I don't know who 'M$' is; is this an attempt to be funny?

That Excel is an application, not an operating system is very relevant.

As Excel is an application that costs money, it behooves the maker to
make it as widely applicable as possible to attract the widest possible
sales base.

There is zero incentive for the deliverer of an OS to include everything
that is a free download.

>>>>> Windows comes with CSCRIPT, but the PRINT statement in BASIC is more
>>>>> flexible and easier to type than "wscript.echo."
>>>>
>>>>PHP: echo or print.
>>>>
>>>>Perl: print.
>>> 
>>> ... but don't forget the semicolons at the end of each line.
>>
>>In BASIC, don't forget the LET in front of every assignment.
>>
>>In BASIC, don't forget the GOSUB to call a subroutine.
> 
> QBASIC needed neither.
> 
> 
>>>>What's your point?
>>> 
>>> Summary began in the next line.
>>> 
>>>>> Yes, we can go find and install FreeBASIC, but there is something to
>>>>> be said for common, simple porgamming language available on all
>>>>> Windows machines.
>>>>
>>>>Or the current version of Visual Studio from Microsoft or any number
>>>>of other interpreted languages that are all available as a download.
>>> 
>>> ... which must be downloaded. And possibly installed ... if the user
>>> has rights to install the software.
>>
>>If the user does not have rights to install software, most likely it
>>is a corporate computer and the user has no business screwing around
>>with non-corporate activities.
> 
> Why do you assume that someone who wants to run a QBASIC program is
> necessarily engaged in non-corporate activities?

Because I have common sense.

>>If the user does not have rights to install software, it is guaranteed
>>the user doesn't own the computer
> 
> Which is why it would be handy for QBASIC to be pre-installed.

Handy for who?

No one with any sense in the corporate world would use a language like
QBASIC in this day and age.

 
>>and has no business screwing around
>>with the configuration.
> 
> Corporate IT control-freak bastards like to hear that.

As corporations own their computers, they are well in their rights
to control them.

If you don't like that, buy your own computer.

You might also see someone about why you have problems with authority.


> It's 11:30 pm. I need a program installed *now* to meet a deadline
> tomorrow morning. And I have no business installing a program that
> will allow me to get my work done?

That is called piss poor planning on your part.

If the company were paying you to write software, they would have given
you the tools needed.


> Bullshit!
> 
>>>>> Unless you are a control-freak bastard in a corporate IT department.
>>>>
>>>>No one is forcing anyone to use the advanced features of any language.
>>> 
>>> But they are prevented from using code they had already written (or
>>> received from others) in a simple environment with decent error
>>> messages if something is or goes wrong.
>>
>>No they are not.
> 
> Yes, they are.

Nope, only ancient code for a language long dead.

Again, if you insist on BASIC, there are still many free BASICS available
for download.

And again, does the word 'porting' mean anything to you?

> Many newer BASICs are infested with syntax that resembles
> object-oriented crap with methods, properties, etc.

And many are not.
 
> And the user is required to write wrappers that set up graphics
> screens, or console modes, etc.

Utter nonsens.

>>One more time for the really thick headed; BASIC is STILL available
>>for free, you just have to down load it.
> 
> Many flavors of BASIC are available for free. A program written in one
> dialect probably won't run without modification in another.

And again, does the word 'porting' mean anything to you?
 
>>Yes, the current free BASIC has more features the the version from 27
>>years ago.
>>
>>No, no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to use those
>>features.
> 
> Incompatibilities between BASIC dialects are a problem. If the same
> dialect was available on all Windows machines, like it was more
> recently than 27 years ago, it would be easier for people to share
> simple programs.

One of the big reasons that old BASIC is obsolete is that it is incapable
of doing anything that is usefull in the modern world.

Why do you think the time and money was put into developing things
like the currently support version of BASIC that Microsoft offers
for free?
 
> You don't want to. Fine. Others do. Microsoft made it more difficult
> than it was.

I don't want to what?

I use lots of code written by other people, but none of it is in BASIC.

>>> Another option: Download Linux and tell Microsoft to pound sand.
>> 
>>You still have to download programming languages for almost all Linux
>>distributions that are not targeted at being servers and even then
>>you still might depending on what language you want.
>>
>>Perl is the only language I can think of that is automatically included
>>with all Unix/Linux OS distributions these days.
> 
> Which is irrelevant to the *change* made by Microsoft.

By change I take it you mean they no longer support an obsolete and
crippled language?
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#534176

Fromdvus <dven1@adelphia.net>
Date2015-11-20 09:20 -0500
Message-ID<db8oh7F5tt3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#534173
On 11/20/2015 2:22 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> I don't know who 'M$' is; is this an attempt to be funny?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=M%24
Are you laughing yet?

-- 
dvus

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#534227

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-11-20 17:47 +0000
Message-ID<ev24ic-atr.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#534176
dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote:
> On 11/20/2015 2:22 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> I don't know who 'M$' is; is this an attempt to be funny?
> 
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=M%24
> Are you laughing yet?

Puerile; no.

I have seen Microsloth from other puerile posters.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#534253

Fromdvus <dven1@adelphia.net>
Date2015-11-20 15:31 -0500
Message-ID<db9ea6Fbjj5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#534227
On 11/20/2015 12:47 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> On 11/20/2015 2:22 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know who 'M$' is; is this an attempt to be funny?
>>
>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=M%24
>> Are you laughing yet?
>
> Puerile; no.
>
> I have seen Microsloth from other puerile posters.

Spoil-sport!

-- 
dvus

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#534259

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-11-20 21:56 +0000
Message-ID<3ih4ic-c5.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#534253
dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote:
> On 11/20/2015 12:47 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/20/2015 2:22 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know who 'M$' is; is this an attempt to be funny?
>>>
>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=M%24
>>> Are you laughing yet?
>>
>> Puerile; no.
>>
>> I have seen Microsloth from other puerile posters.
> 
> Spoil-sport!
 
I've always thought things like that were childish and branded the
users of such as bigots; yes there are software bigots.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#534349

Fromdvus <dven1@adelphia.net>
Date2015-11-21 08:18 -0500
Message-ID<dbb991Fp6jiU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#534259
On 11/20/2015 4:56 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> On 11/20/2015 12:47 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>> On 11/20/2015 2:22 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know who 'M$' is; is this an attempt to be funny?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=M%24
>>>> Are you laughing yet?
>>>
>>> Puerile; no.
>>>
>>> I have seen Microsloth from other puerile posters.
>>
>> Spoil-sport!
>
> I've always thought things like that were childish and branded the
> users of such as bigots; yes there are software bigots.

If I were such a bigot I'd be using Linux or OS X. I started with 
Commodore and moved to M$ when the Amiga became somewhat obsolete.

-- 
dvus

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#534389

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2015-11-21 19:02 +0000
Message-ID<gmr6ic-0v7.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#534349
dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote:
> On 11/20/2015 4:56 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/20/2015 12:47 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/20/2015 2:22 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know who 'M$' is; is this an attempt to be funny?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=M%24
>>>>> Are you laughing yet?
>>>>
>>>> Puerile; no.
>>>>
>>>> I have seen Microsloth from other puerile posters.
>>>
>>> Spoil-sport!
>>
>> I've always thought things like that were childish and branded the
>> users of such as bigots; yes there are software bigots.
> 
> If I were such a bigot I'd be using Linux or OS X. I started with 
> Commodore and moved to M$ when the Amiga became somewhat obsolete.

My first toy computer was a MITS 8080 kit, my second an Apple II.

In the day job I was dealing with VMS, RSTS, RT-11, and SunOS on
various platforms.

I always concidered the PC a toy until usefull applications appeared.
 
Today's consumer computers are appliances to run applications.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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