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| Started by | "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400 |
| Last post | 2016-04-12 18:24 +0000 |
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Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-03 12:52 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-03 17:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-04 15:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-04 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-04 12:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 12:58 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2016-04-05 03:50 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:20 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 16:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:47 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:10 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 18:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-08 14:23 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:25 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 09:57 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 00:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 22:14 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:38 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 00:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:24 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:03 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:53 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 03:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 23:06 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:34 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 19:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 13:04 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-07 21:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 17:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:03 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-08 21:47 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-09 13:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:08 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:07 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:07 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:23 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:19 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 22:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 04:05 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 01:41 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:20 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 12:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 14:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:26 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-10 16:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:38 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-11 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 20:02 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:16 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:54 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 14:46 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 22:52 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 21:25 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:10 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:30 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 00:01 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-09 09:21 +0100
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 15:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 09:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 14:22 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 10:45 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:50 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:39 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:28 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 23:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:14 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:52 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-09 10:09 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:31 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:34 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:42 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-07 15:55 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:14 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-09 14:54 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:00 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:36 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 19:44 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:19 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:47 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-09 18:17 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 00:37 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-10 16:50 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 17:13 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-11 16:41 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-12 15:48 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:21 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-05 17:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-05 18:32 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 15:09 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-05 18:54 -0500
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-05 19:57 -0600
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2016-04-06 17:56 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 18:35 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 15:43 -0400
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 20:08 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 16:35 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 23:49 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 19:28 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 03:51 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 22:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 06:17 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:32 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 20:33 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 00:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:32 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:16 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 22:52 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 21:59 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:18 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 07:57 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 18:45 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:05 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 20:54 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 20:01 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 16:42 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 16:12 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 01:10 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 20:22 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 06:09 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 07:36 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 18:26 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:24 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 17:24 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 04:43 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 12:51 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-06 22:06 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 17:11 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 04:30 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-06 23:31 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 19:56 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 14:16 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-07 22:34 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 01:06 -0700
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 18:48 +0000
Re: The European Space Agency just unveiled its plans to build a base on the moon Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 13:18 -0700
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-11 19:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <spbttc-t84.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569780 |
In sci.physics Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > Fred J McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb: > >> And are all people there so intellectually dishonest or are you >> special? > > Trying to discuss rationally with somebody who resorts to ad > hominem attacks when arguments run out is futile. > > Bye. Congratulations McCall, your gratuitous insults and ad hominem attacks have disgusted yet another knowledgeable poster. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-11 20:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k5pogbdpqu854s7k19gcmqgb8qqgorp484@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569792 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>> Fred J McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>
>>> And are all people there so intellectually dishonest or are you
>>> special?
>>
>> Trying to discuss rationally with somebody who resorts to ad
>> hominem attacks when arguments run out is futile.
>>
>> Bye.
>
>Congratulations McCall, your gratuitous insults and ad hominem attacks
>have disgusted yet another knowledgeable poster.
>
Another like you. So far I haven't seen anything in the way of
'knowledge' from either of you. Back to your 'safe space', Pennino.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 17:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <55nvtc-24f.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569858 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: >>> Fred J McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb: >>> >>>> And are all people there so intellectually dishonest or are you >>>> special? >>> >>> Trying to discuss rationally with somebody who resorts to ad >>> hominem attacks when arguments run out is futile. >>> >>> Bye. >> >>Congratulations McCall, your gratuitous insults and ad hominem attacks >>have disgusted yet another knowledgeable poster. >> > > Another like you. So far I haven't seen anything in the way of > 'knowledge' from either of you. Back to your 'safe space', Pennino. In other words, everyone that isn't you. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-11 19:54 -0700 |
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Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
>Fred J McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb:
>
>> And are all people there so intellectually dishonest or are you
>> special?
>
>Trying to discuss rationally with somebody who resorts to ad
>hominem attacks when arguments run out is futile.
>
Awww, someone call the WAAAAaaaambulance. He doesn't like it when
he's treated like he acts!
>
>Bye.
>
Don't let the door hit you on the ass, bucko. Back to your 'safe
space' where free expression means you saying whatever you like and
everyone else being "ad hominem" if they disagree.
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--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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| Date | 2016-04-12 17:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7nvtc-24f.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569856 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > >>Fred J McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb: >> >>> And are all people there so intellectually dishonest or are you >>> special? >> >>Trying to discuss rationally with somebody who resorts to ad >>hominem attacks when arguments run out is futile. >> > > Awww, someone call the WAAAAaaaambulance. He doesn't like it when > he's treated like he acts! HE never posted any ad hominem attacks, YOU started the insults as usual. -- Jim Pennino
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| Date | 2016-04-07 20:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ncsitc-31s.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
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In sci.physics Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > Fred J McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> schrieb: > >> Colonies always need supply and support initially. Colonies off the >> Earth will be no different. > > The main problem I see for space coloies is the complexity of the > technology that is needed for survival, if spare parts cannot be > imported. > > Take a simple O-ring used as a seal as as an example. > > Currently, this is made from an elastomer. If it needs to > withstand oil, you will probably need NBR, a rubber made from > 1-3-Butadiene and Acrylonitrile. > > So, you need 1-3-Butadiene. > > You can get that from a C4 stream coming from a steam cracker, which > needs a hydrocarbon feedstock and is an enormously complex chemical > plant, requiring catalysts and dozens of distillation columns. > To separate it from the other C4 products, you usually use a sulfuric > acid extraction. A steam cracker also produces dozens of other > products, which you will have to dispose of (wasteful) or > use (for what?) > > Hmm... maybe not that, dehydrogenation of n-Butane may be better. > Dehydrogenation catalyst needed, typically Platinum. To get > n-Butane, you need a steam cracker. > > Or maybe dehydrogenate Ethanol (a catalytic reaction, of course). > > OK, let's assume we have Butadiene. Next, we need acrylonitrile, > which is made from Propylene and Ammonia. > > Propylene you get from that steam cracker (see above). Ammonia > manufacture is a high-pressure process requiring nitrogen and > hydrogen. Nitrogen on the Moon will be hard to get, on Mars > it could be done. > > Because NBR is made by emulsion polymerization, you need emulsifiers > (and water). Emulsifiers are basically soap, so please set up > your soap factory somewhere. > > Now you've got the basic polymer, please also set up your plants for > making all the additives which make it into a usable rubber. > > And set up the plants for making the catalysts that the different > processes above require. > > You can't really use the latex produced in the polymerizaion, so > please use your ready-made plant for precipitation and washing of > the latex and drying (which could involve both a screw and a dryer). > Think of a way to deal with the huge amount of waste water this > will generate, and don't forget the Polyethylene film to wrap > it in. > > Now you've got your rubber bale, but it is not yet an O-Ring. > You need to compound and vulcanize it. > > Just grabbing a random recipe from the net, please also have > ready your Zinc Oxide, Magnesium oxide, Stearic acid, Styrenated > Phenol, Benzothiazol Disulfide (an accelerator), Tetramethyl > Thiuram Disulfide (another accelerator), Carbon Black, Sulfur and > Dioctyl phtalate. Also put some old motor oil in, and Add a few > anti-aging and anti-oxydizing chemicals while you're at it. > > And this is just to make one simple everyday part that you > could order for a few cents on Earth. > > So, is there a way around this? You can try to restrict yourself > to the materials that you really, really need. This will mean > that your solutions will be much worse than what you could get on > Earth by just ordering the products you needed. I am not sure > that this will be easy given the harshness of your environment, > where your solutions should be good if you want to survive. > > So, a self-sufficient space colony would have to be quite > large to support something like our technological base. McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make something on a budget. -- Jim Pennino
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| Date | 2016-04-07 14:46 -0700 |
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ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com - show quoted text - McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make something on a budget. ----------- We just don't have the technology to colonize the moon or planets. Personally, I don't even want to send humans into space anymore. Send our machines. Send our intelligence. Sending people into space is dick waving...."Hey, look at my dick! It's in space!" Is time to put our dicks away and go explore the solar system with our brains instead of our dick leading the way
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| Date | 2016-04-07 22:52 +0000 |
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HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> wrote: > ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com > - show quoted text - > McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make > something on a budget. > ----------- > > We just don't have the technology to colonize the moon or planets. > Personally, I don't even want to send humans into space anymore. Send > our machines. Send our intelligence. Sending people into space is dick > waving...."Hey, look at my dick! It's in space!" > > Is time to put our dicks away and go explore the solar system with our > brains instead of our dick leading the way Oh, we do have the technology, just not enough money in the world to pay for most of those starry eyed dreams of the space cadets. We already have a picture of a golf ball being hit on the Moon and don't really need one from Mars. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | benj <none@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 21:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <kMDNy.5773$Xe1.3198@fx41.iad> |
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On 04/07/2016 05:46 PM, HVAC wrote:
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
> - show quoted text -
> McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
> something on a budget.
> -----------
>
> We just don't have the technology to colonize the moon or planets. Personally, I don't even want to send humans into space anymore. Send our machines. Send our intelligence. Sending people into space is dick waving...."Hey, look at my dick! It's in space!"
>
> Is time to put our dicks away and go explore the solar system with our brains instead of our dick leading the way
>
Never stopped you. Oh Wait. Dick is all you have.
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-07 23:49 -0700 |
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>something on a budget.
>
Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
anything, period.
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"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| Date | 2016-04-08 18:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vj9ltc-hu6.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #568824 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >> >>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>something on a budget. >> > > Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make > anything, period. Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one. On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including female sane people, would want to migrate to one. People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can. Could you offer Martian colonists their own plot of land? Nope. Could you offer Martian colonists high pay? Possibly, but what would they do with it? They can't buy a bigger house, a luxury car, a boat, a plane, a RV, a OHV, a beach house, a mountain cabin, or likely not even a swimming pool. They can't take trips to Paris or Hawaii. The could do none of the things people normally do with wealth. Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social types might stay. The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military outposts and research stations. Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no kids playing in what would pass for a street. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-08 13:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3l3ggbp0ss9f0t8ipab3cpohr8ifcpclor@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569020 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>something on a budget.
>>>
>>
>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>> anything, period.
>
>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet
>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable
>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars
>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one.
>
Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who
thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything
or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla,
SolarCity...
>
>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including
>female sane people, would want to migrate to one.
>
>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can.
>
No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just
'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time.
>
>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off
>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social
>types might stay.
>
So you'd stay, then.
>
>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military
>outposts and research stations.
>
>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around
>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no
>kids playing in what would pass for a street.
>
Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on
initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done
anything real, right?
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 22:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ikoltc-fb8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569068 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>something on a budget. >>>> >>> >>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>> anything, period. >> >>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet >>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable >>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars >>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one. >> > > Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who > thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything > or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla, > SolarCity... Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all. >> >>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including >>female sane people, would want to migrate to one. >> >>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can. >> > > No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just > 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time. Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history at all. In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal. >>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off >>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social >>types might stay. >> > > So you'd stay, then. I would never go to such a place. FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including travel time. >>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military >>outposts and research stations. >> >>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around >>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no >>kids playing in what would pass for a street. >> > > Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on > initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done > anything real, right? I could care less what someone else does with their money. And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the worlds total gross domestic product. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-08 21:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ul2hgbd7ad1l7skc8qbd1esbk481lsoi7f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569095 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>something on a budget.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>> anything, period.
>>>
>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet
>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable
>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars
>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one.
>>>
>>
>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who
>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything
>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla,
>> SolarCity...
>
>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all.
>
And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk?
>>>
>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including
>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one.
>>>
>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can.
>>>
>>
>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just
>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time.
>
>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history
>at all.
>
>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal.
>
In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off
>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social
>>>types might stay.
>>>
>>
>> So you'd stay, then.
>
>I would never go to such a place.
>
>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge
>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including
>travel time.
>
So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your
decision making?
>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military
>>>outposts and research stations.
>>>
>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around
>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no
>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street.
>>>
>>
>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on
>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done
>> anything real, right?
>
>I could care less what someone else does with their money.
>
>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the
>worlds total gross domestic product.
>
What utter bullshit.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 06:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k1jmtc-mua.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569134 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>>>something on a budget. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>> anything, period. >>>> >>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet >>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable >>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars >>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one. >>>> >>> >>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who >>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything >>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla, >>> SolarCity... >> >>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all. >> > > And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk? That would be a blazingly stupid assumption. >>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including >>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one. >>>> >>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can. >>>> >>> >>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just >>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time. >> >>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history >>at all. >> >>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal. >> > > In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again). Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother with. >>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off >>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social >>>>types might stay. >>>> >>> >>> So you'd stay, then. >> >>I would never go to such a place. >> >>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge >>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including >>travel time. >> > > So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your > decision making? Yet another blazingly stupid question. Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree as opposed to living off the DEW line money. >>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military >>>>outposts and research stations. >>>> >>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around >>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no >>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street. >>>> >>> >>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on >>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done >>> anything real, right? >> >>I could care less what someone else does with their money. >> >>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the >>worlds total gross domestic product. >> > > What utter bullshit. It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking recycled water, especially female ones. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 07:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qi4igb5gd5b5fp7jripmob7l6u28oig9is@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569194 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>>>something on a budget.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>> anything, period.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet
>>>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable
>>>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars
>>>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who
>>>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything
>>>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla,
>>>> SolarCity...
>>>
>>>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all.
>>>
>>
>> And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk?
>>
>
>That would be a blazingly stupid assumption.
>
Yeah, I thought so, too, which is why I listen to him rather than you.
>>>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including
>>>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one.
>>>>>
>>>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just
>>>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time.
>>>
>>>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history
>>>at all.
>>>
>>>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal.
>>>
>>
>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>
>
>Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother
>with.
>
In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off
>>>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social
>>>>>types might stay.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you'd stay, then.
>>>
>>>I would never go to such a place.
>>>
>>>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge
>>>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including
>>>travel time.
>>>
>>
>> So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your
>> decision making?
>>
>
>Yet another blazingly stupid question.
>
So you're not only not doing as well as Elon Musk, but you're not
doing as well as I am. We both disagree with you.
>
>Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree
>as opposed to living off the DEW line money.
>
See why I believe Elon Musk before I believe you? Sounds like you
make a lot of sub-optimal decisions based on you thinking you know
things you don't know.
>>>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military
>>>>>outposts and research stations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around
>>>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no
>>>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on
>>>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done
>>>> anything real, right?
>>>
>>>I could care less what someone else does with their money.
>>>
>>>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the
>>>worlds total gross domestic product.
>>>
>>
>> What utter bullshit.
>>
>
>It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live
>their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking
>recycled water, especially female ones.
>
So we have you insisting it's just not possible without 'Star Trek'
technology (for no known reason other than you say so), that maybe it
is possible but it will take all the money in the world (for no known
reason other than you say so), or that maybe it's both possible and
affordable but nobody would go (for no known reason other than you say
so).
What we really know from your interminable expositions is that YOU
can't figure out how to make it work, that YOU can't afford it, and
that YOU wouldn't go.
Back to your cave, Chimp, while better men than you build the future
for you.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 18:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <0rtntc-2gf.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #569215 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>>>>>something on a budget. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>>>> anything, period. >>>>>> >>>>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet >>>>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable >>>>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars >>>>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who >>>>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything >>>>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla, >>>>> SolarCity... >>>> >>>>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all. >>>> >>> >>> And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk? >>> >> >>That would be a blazingly stupid assumption. >> > > Yeah, I thought so, too, which is why I listen to him rather than you. Do you get all your thougths from celebrities? > >>>>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including >>>>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one. >>>>>> >>>>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just >>>>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time. >>>> >>>>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history >>>>at all. >>>> >>>>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal. >>>> >>> >>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again). >>> >> >>Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother >>with. >> > > In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again). Does the phrase "escape religious persecution" mean anything to you? Does the phrase "own your own farm and not be a serf" mean anything to you? >>>>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off >>>>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social >>>>>>types might stay. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you'd stay, then. >>>> >>>>I would never go to such a place. >>>> >>>>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge >>>>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including >>>>travel time. >>>> >>> >>> So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your >>> decision making? >>> >> >>Yet another blazingly stupid question. >> > > So you're not only not doing as well as Elon Musk, but you're not > doing as well as I am. We both disagree with you. You have no clue as to my economic status, space cadet. >>Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree >>as opposed to living off the DEW line money. >> > > See why I believe Elon Musk before I believe you? Sounds like you > make a lot of sub-optimal decisions based on you thinking you know > things you don't know. I still concider it the correct decision. You however, may prefer to spend months in an isolated, barren location in all male company. >>>>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military >>>>>>outposts and research stations. >>>>>> >>>>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around >>>>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no >>>>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on >>>>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done >>>>> anything real, right? >>>> >>>>I could care less what someone else does with their money. >>>> >>>>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the >>>>worlds total gross domestic product. >>>> >>> >>> What utter bullshit. >>> >> >>It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live >>their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking >>recycled water, especially female ones. >> > > So we have you insisting it's just not possible without 'Star Trek' > technology (for no known reason other than you say so), that maybe it > is possible but it will take all the money in the world (for no known > reason other than you say so), or that maybe it's both possible and > affordable but nobody would go (for no known reason other than you say > so). There is a diffenece between not possible and no one wanting to do it, space cadet. > What we really know from your interminable expositions is that YOU > can't figure out how to make it work, that YOU can't afford it, and > that YOU wouldn't go. Live my life on a barren, airless rock with nothing to do other than look out a port hole at a landscape that hasn't changed in millions of years? No thank you. > Back to your cave, Chimp, while better men than you build the future > for you. The closest thing I have to a cave is the hanger where my airplane is kept, space cadet. And there is yet another reason for not wanting to live on a barren, lifeless rock; no chance to spend $200 in fuel just to fly to an airport to eat a hamburger, see other airpanes and talk airplanes with new people. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-09 12:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e6nigb90d5pcp95danne1cp7i4478jrqd8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #569247 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>>>>>something on a budget.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>>>> anything, period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet
>>>>>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable
>>>>>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars
>>>>>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who
>>>>>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything
>>>>>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla,
>>>>>> SolarCity...
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk?
>>>>
>>>
>>>That would be a blazingly stupid assumption.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, I thought so, too, which is why I listen to him rather than you.
>
>Do you get all your thougths from celebrities?
>
I get them from experts. Musk is one. You are not.
>
>>
>>>>>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including
>>>>>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just
>>>>>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history
>>>>>at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother
>>>with.
>>>
>>
>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>
>
>Does the phrase "escape religious persecution" mean anything to you?
>
>Does the phrase "own your own farm and not be a serf" mean anything to you?
>
Does the phrase "your position has blown up in your face (again)" mean
anything to you?
>>>>>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off
>>>>>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social
>>>>>>>types might stay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you'd stay, then.
>>>>>
>>>>>I would never go to such a place.
>>>>>
>>>>>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge
>>>>>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including
>>>>>travel time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your
>>>> decision making?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yet another blazingly stupid question.
>>>
>>
>> So you're not only not doing as well as Elon Musk, but you're not
>> doing as well as I am. We both disagree with you.
>
>You have no clue as to my economic status, space cadet.
>
You've already said that asking you how many billion dollars or how
many million dollars you have are stupid questions. That seems to
take you down to hundreds of thousands, then, at best.
>>>Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree
>>>as opposed to living off the DEW line money.
>>>
>>
>> See why I believe Elon Musk before I believe you? Sounds like you
>> make a lot of sub-optimal decisions based on you thinking you know
>> things you don't know.
>
>I still concider it the correct decision.
>
Of course you do. But then, you obviously think you're infallible, so
your opinion here is no surprise.
>
>You however, may prefer to spend months in an isolated, barren location
>in all male company.
>
That rather depends on the pay and duration. You know, you seem
fixated on the whole 'presence of women' thing. Do you always think
with your penis?
>>>>>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military
>>>>>>>outposts and research stations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around
>>>>>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no
>>>>>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on
>>>>>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done
>>>>>> anything real, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>I could care less what someone else does with their money.
>>>>>
>>>>>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the
>>>>>worlds total gross domestic product.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What utter bullshit.
>>>>
>>>
>>>It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live
>>>their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking
>>>recycled water, especially female ones.
>>>
>>
>> So we have you insisting it's just not possible without 'Star Trek'
>> technology (for no known reason other than you say so), that maybe it
>> is possible but it will take all the money in the world (for no known
>> reason other than you say so), or that maybe it's both possible and
>> affordable but nobody would go (for no known reason other than you say
>> so).
>
>There is a diffenece between not possible and no one wanting to do it,
>space cadet.
>
Yes, there is, chimp. I'm pleased that you recognize that at the end
here.
>> What we really know from your interminable expositions is that YOU
>> can't figure out how to make it work, that YOU can't afford it, and
>> that YOU wouldn't go.
>
>Live my life on a barren, airless rock with nothing to do other than
>look out a port hole at a landscape that hasn't changed in millions
>of years?
>
>No thank you.
>
By all means you should stay in your cave, Chimp. You'll be happier
that way.
>> Back to your cave, Chimp, while better men than you build the future
>> for you.
>
>The closest thing I have to a cave is the hanger where my airplane is
>kept, space cadet.
>
>And there is yet another reason for not wanting to live on a barren,
>lifeless rock; no chance to spend $200 in fuel just to fly to an
>airport to eat a hamburger, see other airpanes and talk airplanes with
>new people.
>
And a century ago you'd have been railing against airplanes as a total
waste of money and talking about how they'd never catch on.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| Date | 2016-04-09 20:29 +0000 |
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>>>>>>>something on a budget. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make >>>>>>>>> anything, period. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet >>>>>>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable >>>>>>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars >>>>>>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who >>>>>>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything >>>>>>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla, >>>>>>> SolarCity... >>>>>> >>>>>>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk? >>>>> >>>> >>>>That would be a blazingly stupid assumption. >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, I thought so, too, which is why I listen to him rather than you. >> >>Do you get all your thougths from celebrities? >> > > I get them from experts. Musk is one. You are not. So where is Musk's space port? At a projected cost of $50 million that would be chump change for him. >>> >>>>>>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including >>>>>>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just >>>>>>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time. >>>>>> >>>>>>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history >>>>>>at all. >>>>>> >>>>>>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again). >>>>> >>>> >>>>Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother >>>>with. >>>> >>> >>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again). >>> >> >>Does the phrase "escape religious persecution" mean anything to you? >> >>Does the phrase "own your own farm and not be a serf" mean anything to you? >> > > Does the phrase "your position has blown up in your face (again)" mean > anything to you? Only that you are too blind to understand human motivations. So you are denying that escaping religious persecution and owning your own farm as opposed to being a serf wasn't a better life goal for colonists? >>>>>>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off >>>>>>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social >>>>>>>>types might stay. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you'd stay, then. >>>>>> >>>>>>I would never go to such a place. >>>>>> >>>>>>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge >>>>>>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including >>>>>>travel time. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your >>>>> decision making? >>>>> >>>> >>>>Yet another blazingly stupid question. >>>> >>> >>> So you're not only not doing as well as Elon Musk, but you're not >>> doing as well as I am. We both disagree with you. >> >>You have no clue as to my economic status, space cadet. >> > > You've already said that asking you how many billion dollars or how > many million dollars you have are stupid questions. That seems to > take you down to hundreds of thousands, then, at best. Non sequitur. How much money I have has nothing to do with anything space related other than the tax dollers I pay as I would not willingly finance it no matter how much I had. >>>>Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree >>>>as opposed to living off the DEW line money. >>>> >>> >>> See why I believe Elon Musk before I believe you? Sounds like you >>> make a lot of sub-optimal decisions based on you thinking you know >>> things you don't know. >> >>I still concider it the correct decision. >> > > Of course you do. But then, you obviously think you're infallible, so > your opinion here is no surprise. Non sequitur yet again. >>You however, may prefer to spend months in an isolated, barren location >>in all male company. >> > > That rather depends on the pay and duration. You know, you seem > fixated on the whole 'presence of women' thing. Do you always think > with your penis? For Mars, that duration would be lifes and for the DEW line it was a bit short of two years, and no, I am not willing to spend years without female company. You on the other hand seem to have no clue that roughly half the population is women or that women have been putting diapers on babies since long before Pampers were invented. >>>>>>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military >>>>>>>>outposts and research stations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around >>>>>>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no >>>>>>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on >>>>>>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done >>>>>>> anything real, right? >>>>>> >>>>>>I could care less what someone else does with their money. >>>>>> >>>>>>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the >>>>>>worlds total gross domestic product. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What utter bullshit. >>>>> >>>> >>>>It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live >>>>their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking >>>>recycled water, especially female ones. >>>> >>> >>> So we have you insisting it's just not possible without 'Star Trek' >>> technology (for no known reason other than you say so), that maybe it >>> is possible but it will take all the money in the world (for no known >>> reason other than you say so), or that maybe it's both possible and >>> affordable but nobody would go (for no known reason other than you say >>> so). >> >>There is a diffenece between not possible and no one wanting to do it, >>space cadet. >> > > Yes, there is, chimp. I'm pleased that you recognize that at the end > here. Seems I have been telling you that from the start, but it doesn't seem to get past the swarm of space ships buzzing around your head. > >>> What we really know from your interminable expositions is that YOU >>> can't figure out how to make it work, that YOU can't afford it, and >>> that YOU wouldn't go. >> >>Live my life on a barren, airless rock with nothing to do other than >>look out a port hole at a landscape that hasn't changed in millions >>of years? >> >>No thank you. >> > > By all means you should stay in your cave, Chimp. You'll be happier > that way. Again, no cave, only a hangar, space cadet. > >>> Back to your cave, Chimp, while better men than you build the future >>> for you. >> >>The closest thing I have to a cave is the hanger where my airplane is >>kept, space cadet. >> >>And there is yet another reason for not wanting to live on a barren, >>lifeless rock; no chance to spend $200 in fuel just to fly to an >>airport to eat a hamburger, see other airpanes and talk airplanes with >>new people. >> > > And a century ago you'd have been railing against airplanes as a total > waste of money and talking about how they'd never catch on. Nope, I would have been building them, space cadet. If it were possible to build my own space ship, I would be doing that too, but that is a childish dream and I grew up and figured out most of the stuff in those movies is make believe. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-09 19:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3hdjgbl05tdbl2l3b7r7082qrqc4o438kj@4ax.com> |
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>McCall will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>>>>>>>something on a budget.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jimp will never get the point and has obviously never had to make
>>>>>>>>>> anything, period.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yeah, right, says the starry eyed space cadet that thinks an off planet
>>>>>>>>>real colony with families and kids that is anywhere near survivable
>>>>>>>>>without constant resupply will cost less than many trillions of dollars
>>>>>>>>>and that anyone would ever be billing to pony up the money to build one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ever heard of Elon Musk? He's another one of us 'space cadets' who
>>>>>>>> thinks he can colonize Mars. But he's never actually built anything
>>>>>>>> or met a schedule. Well, nothing but ZIP2, Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla,
>>>>>>>> SolarCity...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Perhaps if Tesla ever starts making a profit, Musk could pay for it all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And so we should assume that you are more successful than Elon Musk?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That would be a blazingly stupid assumption.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I thought so, too, which is why I listen to him rather than you.
>>>
>>>Do you get all your thougths from celebrities?
>>>
>>
>> I get them from experts. Musk is one. You are not.
>
>So where is Musk's space port?
>
>At a projected cost of $50 million that would be chump change for him.
>
You don't read English, do you? And I see we're back to Jimp The
Chimp's Instant Colony approach.
Chimp Hint: First you design the vehicles and mission architecture.
This is where they are now. This is where you start getting cost
numbers. Has the chimp ever built anything?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On top of that, the space cadet likely believes that sane people, including
>>>>>>>>>female sane people, would want to migrate to one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>People migrate to better their lives, not to live in a pressurized tin can.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No colony ever has better living than home, so I guess you just
>>>>>>>> 'proved' that no one will ever colonize anywhere, at any time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Total utter, and complete nonsense showing no understanding of history
>>>>>>>at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In fact it is so blazingly stupid I'm not going to bother with a rebuttal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, in other words your statements are just too ridiculous to bother
>>>>>with.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In other words, your position has blown up in your face (again).
>>>>
>>>
>>>Does the phrase "escape religious persecution" mean anything to you?
>>>
>>>Does the phrase "own your own farm and not be a serf" mean anything to you?
>>>
>>
>> Does the phrase "your position has blown up in your face (again)" mean
>> anything to you?
>>
>
>Only that you are too blind to understand human motivations.
>
>So you are denying that escaping religious persecution and owning your own
>farm as opposed to being a serf wasn't a better life goal for colonists?
>
Please read the words I actually write. I know it's hard for you.
Find someone to help you with it.
>
>>>>>>>>>Most everyone that was foolish enough to go would screaming to get off
>>>>>>>>>the lifeless, airless rock before very long. The gays and the anti-social
>>>>>>>>>types might stay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you'd stay, then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I would never go to such a place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>FYI I was offered, and turned down, a stint at the DEW line for huge
>>>>>>>bucks way back when, and that was for less than two years, including
>>>>>>>travel time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how many million dollars are you ahead right now, given your
>>>>>> decision making?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yet another blazingly stupid question.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you're not only not doing as well as Elon Musk, but you're not
>>>> doing as well as I am. We both disagree with you.
>>>
>>>You have no clue as to my economic status, space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> You've already said that asking you how many billion dollars or how
>> many million dollars you have are stupid questions. That seems to
>> take you down to hundreds of thousands, then, at best.
>>
>
>Non sequitur.
>
Non sense.
>
>How much money I have has nothing to do with anything space related other
>than the tax dollers I pay as I would not willingly finance it no matter
>how much I had.
>
It's a pretty good measure of how good your choices are. Frankly,
yours seem to suck.
>>>>>Economically the decision meant I had to work while getting a degree
>>>>>as opposed to living off the DEW line money.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See why I believe Elon Musk before I believe you? Sounds like you
>>>> make a lot of sub-optimal decisions based on you thinking you know
>>>> things you don't know.
>>>
>>>I still concider it the correct decision.
>>>
>>
>> Of course you do. But then, you obviously think you're infallible, so
>> your opinion here is no surprise.
>>
>
>Non sequitur yet again.
>
Non sense yet again.
>>>You however, may prefer to spend months in an isolated, barren location
>>>in all male company.
>>>
>>
>> That rather depends on the pay and duration. You know, you seem
>> fixated on the whole 'presence of women' thing. Do you always think
>> with your penis?
>>
>
>For Mars, that duration would be lifes and for the DEW line it was a bit
>short of two years, ...
>
You think people can't come back from Mars? The vehicles are coming
back from Mars empty. Hell, Musk is planning on offering free return
trips.
>
>... and no, I am not willing to spend years without female
>company.
>
So your problem IS that you only think with the little head between
your legs instead of using the big one!
>
>You on the other hand seem to have no clue that roughly half the population
>is women or that women have been putting diapers on babies since long
>before Pampers were invented.
>
You on the other hand seem to have no clue that back in those days
those were called 'cloth' and most colonies didn't make the stuff
locally here on Earth, either.
>>>>>>>>>The only thing that is going to ever exist off the Earth is military
>>>>>>>>>outposts and research stations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Some larger installations may have a small number of civilians around
>>>>>>>>>to provide bars and hookers and such, but no regular families and no
>>>>>>>>>kids playing in what would pass for a street.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Elon Musk disagrees with you and he's spending his own money on
>>>>>>>> initial designs. But he's just another space cadet who's never done
>>>>>>>> anything real, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I could care less what someone else does with their money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And establishing a real colony on Mars would require many years of the
>>>>>>>worlds total gross domestic product.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What utter bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It is actually irrelevant as there will hardly be anyone willing to live
>>>>>their life in a pressurized tin can breathing recycled air and drinking
>>>>>recycled water, especially female ones.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So we have you insisting it's just not possible without 'Star Trek'
>>>> technology (for no known reason other than you say so), that maybe it
>>>> is possible but it will take all the money in the world (for no known
>>>> reason other than you say so), or that maybe it's both possible and
>>>> affordable but nobody would go (for no known reason other than you say
>>>> so).
>>>
>>>There is a diffenece between not possible and no one wanting to do it,
>>>space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, there is, chimp. I'm pleased that you recognize that at the end
>> here.
>
>Seems I have been telling you that from the start, but it doesn't seem
>to get past the swarm of space ships buzzing around your head.
>
How things 'seem' to you is a local problem, but reality doesn't seem
to get past the swarm of flies buzzing around your head.
>
>>
>>>> What we really know from your interminable expositions is that YOU
>>>> can't figure out how to make it work, that YOU can't afford it, and
>>>> that YOU wouldn't go.
>>>
>>>Live my life on a barren, airless rock with nothing to do other than
>>>look out a port hole at a landscape that hasn't changed in millions
>>>of years?
>>>
>>>No thank you.
>>>
>>
>> By all means you should stay in your cave, Chimp. You'll be happier
>> that way.
>
>Again, no cave, only a hangar, space cadet.
>
Again, a century ago you'd have been railing about how useless
airplanes were and how they were a waste of money.
>>
>>>> Back to your cave, Chimp, while better men than you build the future
>>>> for you.
>>>
>>>The closest thing I have to a cave is the hanger where my airplane is
>>>kept, space cadet.
>>>
>>>And there is yet another reason for not wanting to live on a barren,
>>>lifeless rock; no chance to spend $200 in fuel just to fly to an
>>>airport to eat a hamburger, see other airpanes and talk airplanes with
>>>new people.
>>>
>>
>> And a century ago you'd have been railing against airplanes as a total
>> waste of money and talking about how they'd never catch on.
>
>Nope, I would have been building them, space cadet.
>
Sure you would, Chimp. Sure you would. You'd have defended wagons
back in the day because that newfangled horseless carriage thing was
something out of scifi, cost too much, and could never be made to be
reliable like a horse. Same with airplanes. In fact, same with
pretty much any advance. So you just trudge on back to your cave and
let better men build the future, chimp.
>
>If it were possible to build my own space ship, I would be doing that
>too, but that is a childish dream and I grew up and figured out most
>of the stuff in those movies is make believe.
>
Yet there are people doing precisely what you claim is only make
believe. Like Elon Musk.
So you keep being 'adult', chimp...
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
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