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  Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-20 14:01 -0700
    Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-20 23:46 +0000
      Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-20 22:00 -0500
        Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-21 14:00 -0700
          Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-10-22 12:51 -0400
          Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 12:39 -0700
            Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-23 14:12 -0700
        Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-10-22 12:38 -0400
          Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-22 16:51 +0000
            Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-10-22 13:17 -0400
              Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! Serigo <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-10-22 12:39 -0500
                Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-10-22 12:19 -0700
                  Re: Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril! jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-10-22 22:25 +0000

#601829 — Schiaparelli Mars probe in paril!

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37715202

Actually the Martians are sick and tired of being spied upon and finally too action!

Double-A

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#601851

Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37715202
> 
> Actually the Martians are sick and tired of being spied upon and finally too action!
> 
> Double-A

Nope, it cratered in because soft landing stuff on Mars is difficult,
even for a 1,300 lb probe, yet there are those that beleive we
can soft land humans and hundreds of tons of equipment and supplies
in the near future.

This is the tenth landing failure of 17 attempts to land something
on Mars or one of it's moons.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#601869

On 10/20/2016 6:46 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37715202
>>
>> Actually the Martians are sick and tired of being spied upon and finally too action!
>>
>> Double-A
>
> Nope, it cratered in because soft landing stuff on Mars is difficult,
> even for a 1,300 lb probe, yet there are those that beleive we
> can soft land humans and hundreds of tons of equipment and supplies
> in the near future.
>
> This is the tenth landing failure of 17 attempts to land something
> on Mars or one of it's moons.
>
>

Musk is stirring the Gov R&D money pot, which is funding his current 
ventures, Ted Cruz just intro a bill in Congress for 16B Nasa to Mars 
program

  The president said the ultimate goal is to make it possible to one day 
remain on Mars for an extended period of time.

"Getting to Mars will require continued cooperation between government 
and private innovators, and we're already well on our way. Within the 
next two years, private companies will for the first time send 
astronauts to the International Space Station," Obama wrote.

He continued, "The next step is to reach beyond the bounds of Earth's 
orbit. I'm excited to announce that we are working with our commercial 
partners to build new habitats that can sustain and transport astronauts 
on long-duration missions in deep space. These missions will teach us 
how humans can live far from Earth -- something we'll need for the long 
journey to Mars."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-declares-mission-mars/story?id=42723273

and I disagree with Obama+Cruz, there is only rocks and sand there, we 
have lots of unemployed on Earth, and can a lot of good things w 16B,

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#601977

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:00:44 PM UTC-7, Serigo wrote:
> On 10/20/2016 6:46 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37715202
> >>
> >> Actually the Martians are sick and tired of being spied upon and finally too action!
> >>
> >> Double-A
> >
> > Nope, it cratered in because soft landing stuff on Mars is difficult,
> > even for a 1,300 lb probe, yet there are those that beleive we
> > can soft land humans and hundreds of tons of equipment and supplies
> > in the near future.
> >
> > This is the tenth landing failure of 17 attempts to land something
> > on Mars or one of it's moons.
> >
> >
> 
> Musk is stirring the Gov R&D money pot, which is funding his current 
> ventures, Ted Cruz just intro a bill in Congress for 16B Nasa to Mars 
> program
> 
>   The president said the ultimate goal is to make it possible to one day 
> remain on Mars for an extended period of time.
> 
> "Getting to Mars will require continued cooperation between government 
> and private innovators, and we're already well on our way. Within the 
> next two years, private companies will for the first time send 
> astronauts to the International Space Station," Obama wrote.
> 
> He continued, "The next step is to reach beyond the bounds of Earth's 
> orbit. I'm excited to announce that we are working with our commercial 
> partners to build new habitats that can sustain and transport astronauts 
> on long-duration missions in deep space. These missions will teach us 
> how humans can live far from Earth -- something we'll need for the long 
> journey to Mars."
> 
> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-declares-mission-mars/story?id=42723273
> 
> and I disagree with Obama+Cruz, there is only rocks and sand there, we 
> have lots of unemployed on Earth, and can a lot of good things w 16B,


A good well funded Mars program could put a lot of people to work (on Earth)!

Double-A

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#602056

On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 14:00:38 -0700 (PDT), Double-A wrote:

>On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:00:44 PM UTC-7, Serigo wrote:
>> On 10/20/2016 6:46 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> > Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37715202
>> >>
>> >> Actually the Martians are sick and tired of being spied upon and finally too action!
>> >>
>> >> Double-A
>> >
>> > Nope, it cratered in because soft landing stuff on Mars is difficult,
>> > even for a 1,300 lb probe, yet there are those that beleive we
>> > can soft land humans and hundreds of tons of equipment and supplies
>> > in the near future.
>> >
>> > This is the tenth landing failure of 17 attempts to land something
>> > on Mars or one of it's moons.
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> Musk is stirring the Gov R&D money pot, which is funding his current 
>> ventures, Ted Cruz just intro a bill in Congress for 16B Nasa to Mars 
>> program
>> 
>>   The president said the ultimate goal is to make it possible to one day 
>> remain on Mars for an extended period of time.
>> 
>> "Getting to Mars will require continued cooperation between government 
>> and private innovators, and we're already well on our way. Within the 
>> next two years, private companies will for the first time send 
>> astronauts to the International Space Station," Obama wrote.
>> 
>> He continued, "The next step is to reach beyond the bounds of Earth's 
>> orbit. I'm excited to announce that we are working with our commercial 
>> partners to build new habitats that can sustain and transport astronauts 
>> on long-duration missions in deep space. These missions will teach us 
>> how humans can live far from Earth -- something we'll need for the long 
>> journey to Mars."
>> 
>> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-declares-mission-mars/story?id=42723273
>> 
>> and I disagree with Obama+Cruz, there is only rocks and sand there, we 
>> have lots of unemployed on Earth, and can a lot of good things w 16B,
>
>
>A good well funded Mars program could put a lot of people to work (on Earth)!

Agree.

Better: a well focused program to solve a real problem could produce
results with less funding 

... allowing more money for additional well-focused programs to solve
real problems.

The problem of going to Mars is not a "real" problem. It revs up some
high tech indsutry that would produce spin offs that are useful for
real problems; but hoping for serendipity from a small fraction of a
huge expense is an inefficient plan.

Can *no* one think of a *real* problem that would have comparable spin
offs while solving a real problem?

Here is one: Safe disposal of nuclear waste from power plants ...
possibly by transutation to something that isn't so nasty instead of
better encapsulation of bad stuff.

And another: Building nuclear power plants that produce less
problematic waste. I haven't read enough about it, but thorium plants
may fit here. 

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#602198

On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 2:00:47 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:00:44 PM UTC-7, Serigo wrote:
> > On 10/20/2016 6:46 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > > Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
> > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37715202
> > >>
> > >> Actually the Martians are sick and tired of being spied upon and finally too action!
> > >>
> > >> Double-A
> > >
> > > Nope, it cratered in because soft landing stuff on Mars is difficult,
> > > even for a 1,300 lb probe, yet there are those that beleive we
> > > can soft land humans and hundreds of tons of equipment and supplies
> > > in the near future.
> > >
> > > This is the tenth landing failure of 17 attempts to land something
> > > on Mars or one of it's moons.
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > Musk is stirring the Gov R&D money pot, which is funding his current 
> > ventures, Ted Cruz just intro a bill in Congress for 16B Nasa to Mars 
> > program
> > 
> >   The president said the ultimate goal is to make it possible to one day 
> > remain on Mars for an extended period of time.
> > 
> > "Getting to Mars will require continued cooperation between government 
> > and private innovators, and we're already well on our way. Within the 
> > next two years, private companies will for the first time send 
> > astronauts to the International Space Station," Obama wrote.
> > 
> > He continued, "The next step is to reach beyond the bounds of Earth's 
> > orbit. I'm excited to announce that we are working with our commercial 
> > partners to build new habitats that can sustain and transport astronauts 
> > on long-duration missions in deep space. These missions will teach us 
> > how humans can live far from Earth -- something we'll need for the long 
> > journey to Mars."
> > 
> > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-declares-mission-mars/story?id=42723273
> > 
> > and I disagree with Obama+Cruz, there is only rocks and sand there, we 
> > have lots of unemployed on Earth, and can a lot of good things w 16B,
> 
> 
> A good well funded Mars program could put a lot of people to work (on Earth)!
> 
> Double-A

China does not have GOP Mafia crooks. It has the gold. It will use a Saturn V type rocket ,and walk on Mars. First it will have a base on the Moon. We could have had a base,but again GOP mafia took over NASA after killing JFK,and we ended up with the Killer Micky Mouse shuttles that could only go up 200 miles. Now after Annenberg stole 2 billion for 43 years we  got no man space program. China has 250,000 in its space program.  TreBert  Ps I wonder if rice can grow on Mars.  

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#602212

On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 12:39:58 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 2:00:47 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 8:00:44 PM UTC-7, Serigo wrote:
> > > On 10/20/2016 6:46 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > > > Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
> > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37715202
> > > >>
> > > >> Actually the Martians are sick and tired of being spied upon and finally too action!
> > > >>
> > > >> Double-A
> > > >
> > > > Nope, it cratered in because soft landing stuff on Mars is difficult,
> > > > even for a 1,300 lb probe, yet there are those that beleive we
> > > > can soft land humans and hundreds of tons of equipment and supplies
> > > > in the near future.
> > > >
> > > > This is the tenth landing failure of 17 attempts to land something
> > > > on Mars or one of it's moons.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Musk is stirring the Gov R&D money pot, which is funding his current 
> > > ventures, Ted Cruz just intro a bill in Congress for 16B Nasa to Mars 
> > > program
> > > 
> > >   The president said the ultimate goal is to make it possible to one day 
> > > remain on Mars for an extended period of time.
> > > 
> > > "Getting to Mars will require continued cooperation between government 
> > > and private innovators, and we're already well on our way. Within the 
> > > next two years, private companies will for the first time send 
> > > astronauts to the International Space Station," Obama wrote.
> > > 
> > > He continued, "The next step is to reach beyond the bounds of Earth's 
> > > orbit. I'm excited to announce that we are working with our commercial 
> > > partners to build new habitats that can sustain and transport astronauts 
> > > on long-duration missions in deep space. These missions will teach us 
> > > how humans can live far from Earth -- something we'll need for the long 
> > > journey to Mars."
> > > 
> > > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-declares-mission-mars/story?id=42723273
> > > 
> > > and I disagree with Obama+Cruz, there is only rocks and sand there, we 
> > > have lots of unemployed on Earth, and can a lot of good things w 16B,
> > 
> > 
> > A good well funded Mars program could put a lot of people to work (on Earth)!
> > 
> > Double-A
> 
> China does not have GOP Mafia crooks. It has the gold. It will use a Saturn V type rocket ,and walk on Mars. First it will have a base on the Moon. We could have had a base,but again GOP mafia took over NASA after killing JFK,and we ended up with the Killer Micky Mouse shuttles that could only go up 200 miles. Now after Annenberg stole 2 billion for 43 years we  got no man space program. China has 250,000 in its space program.  TreBert  Ps I wonder if rice can grow on Mars.


You need lots of water for rice.  On Mars that doubtful.  Cacti might grow better.  But whoever gets to Mars first, they need to send a team of archeologists to examine the artifacts of the ancient civilization they will find there!

Double-A

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#602054

On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 22:00:28 -0500, Serigo wrote:

>On 10/20/2016 6:46 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37715202
>>>
>>> Actually the Martians are sick and tired of being spied upon and finally too action!
>>>
>>> Double-A
>>
>> Nope, it cratered in because soft landing stuff on Mars is difficult,
>> even for a 1,300 lb probe, yet there are those that beleive we
>> can soft land humans and hundreds of tons of equipment and supplies
>> in the near future.
>>
>> This is the tenth landing failure of 17 attempts to land something
>> on Mars or one of it's moons.
>>
>>
>
>Musk is stirring the Gov R&D money pot, which is funding his current 
>ventures, Ted Cruz just intro a bill in Congress for 16B Nasa to Mars 
>program
>
>  The president said the ultimate goal is to make it possible to one day 
>remain on Mars for an extended period of time.
>
>"Getting to Mars will require continued cooperation between government 
>and private innovators, and we're already well on our way. Within the 
>next two years, private companies will for the first time send 
>astronauts to the International Space Station," Obama wrote.
>
>He continued, "The next step is to reach beyond the bounds of Earth's 
>orbit. I'm excited to announce that we are working with our commercial 
>partners to build new habitats that can sustain and transport astronauts 
>on long-duration missions in deep space. These missions will teach us 
>how humans can live far from Earth -- something we'll need for the long 
>journey to Mars."
>
>http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-declares-mission-mars/story?id=42723273
>
>and I disagree with Obama+Cruz, there is only rocks and sand there, we 
>have lots of unemployed on Earth, and can a lot of good things w 16B,

Interviews with people promoting moon missions in the 60s are telling.

Interviewer: Why should we spend $x to go to the moon?
Expert: It is in the nature of man to explore ... 

... and gets worse from there because they had *nothing*.

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#602057

Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 22:00:28 -0500, Serigo wrote:
> 
>>On 10/20/2016 6:46 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37715202
>>>>
>>>> Actually the Martians are sick and tired of being spied upon and finally too action!
>>>>
>>>> Double-A
>>>
>>> Nope, it cratered in because soft landing stuff on Mars is difficult,
>>> even for a 1,300 lb probe, yet there are those that beleive we
>>> can soft land humans and hundreds of tons of equipment and supplies
>>> in the near future.
>>>
>>> This is the tenth landing failure of 17 attempts to land something
>>> on Mars or one of it's moons.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Musk is stirring the Gov R&D money pot, which is funding his current 
>>ventures, Ted Cruz just intro a bill in Congress for 16B Nasa to Mars 
>>program
>>
>>  The president said the ultimate goal is to make it possible to one day 
>>remain on Mars for an extended period of time.
>>
>>"Getting to Mars will require continued cooperation between government 
>>and private innovators, and we're already well on our way. Within the 
>>next two years, private companies will for the first time send 
>>astronauts to the International Space Station," Obama wrote.
>>
>>He continued, "The next step is to reach beyond the bounds of Earth's 
>>orbit. I'm excited to announce that we are working with our commercial 
>>partners to build new habitats that can sustain and transport astronauts 
>>on long-duration missions in deep space. These missions will teach us 
>>how humans can live far from Earth -- something we'll need for the long 
>>journey to Mars."
>>
>>http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-declares-mission-mars/story?id=42723273
>>
>>and I disagree with Obama+Cruz, there is only rocks and sand there, we 
>>have lots of unemployed on Earth, and can a lot of good things w 16B,
> 
> Interviews with people promoting moon missions in the 60s are telling.
> 
> Interviewer: Why should we spend $x to go to the moon?
> Expert: It is in the nature of man to explore ... 
> 
> ... and gets worse from there because they had *nothing*.

The reason for sending people to the moon was to show the world that
the USA had a bigger dick than the Soviet Union and help win the Cold War.

Mission accomplished.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#602059

On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:51:11 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 22:00:28 -0500, Serigo wrote:
>> 
>>>On 10/20/2016 6:46 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37715202
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually the Martians are sick and tired of being spied upon and finally too action!
>>>>>
>>>>> Double-A
>>>>
>>>> Nope, it cratered in because soft landing stuff on Mars is difficult,
>>>> even for a 1,300 lb probe, yet there are those that beleive we
>>>> can soft land humans and hundreds of tons of equipment and supplies
>>>> in the near future.
>>>>
>>>> This is the tenth landing failure of 17 attempts to land something
>>>> on Mars or one of it's moons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Musk is stirring the Gov R&D money pot, which is funding his current 
>>>ventures, Ted Cruz just intro a bill in Congress for 16B Nasa to Mars 
>>>program
>>>
>>>  The president said the ultimate goal is to make it possible to one day 
>>>remain on Mars for an extended period of time.
>>>
>>>"Getting to Mars will require continued cooperation between government 
>>>and private innovators, and we're already well on our way. Within the 
>>>next two years, private companies will for the first time send 
>>>astronauts to the International Space Station," Obama wrote.
>>>
>>>He continued, "The next step is to reach beyond the bounds of Earth's 
>>>orbit. I'm excited to announce that we are working with our commercial 
>>>partners to build new habitats that can sustain and transport astronauts 
>>>on long-duration missions in deep space. These missions will teach us 
>>>how humans can live far from Earth -- something we'll need for the long 
>>>journey to Mars."
>>>
>>>http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-declares-mission-mars/story?id=42723273
>>>
>>>and I disagree with Obama+Cruz, there is only rocks and sand there, we 
>>>have lots of unemployed on Earth, and can a lot of good things w 16B,
>> 
>> Interviews with people promoting moon missions in the 60s are telling.
>> 
>> Interviewer: Why should we spend $x to go to the moon?
>> Expert: It is in the nature of man to explore ... 
>> 
>> ... and gets worse from there because they had *nothing*.
>
>The reason for sending people to the moon was to show the world that
>the USA had a bigger dick than the Soviet Union and help win the Cold War.
>
>Mission accomplished.

Agreed.

The only reason to go to Mars would be to show the world we have money
to waste.

We don't have money to waste; and if we did, flaunting it in this way
before starving people would be contemptible.

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#602061

On 10/22/2016 12:17 PM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:51:11 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>

>>> ... and gets worse from there because they had *nothing*.
>>
>> The reason for sending people to the moon was to show the world that
>> the USA had a bigger dick than the Soviet Union and help win the Cold War.
>>
>> Mission accomplished.
>
> Agreed.
>
> The only reason to go to Mars would be to show the world we have money
> to waste.
>
> We don't have money to waste; and if we did, flaunting it in this way
> before starving people would be contemptible.
>

USA could build "The USA to Africa Bridge" with less than 1% of that 
Musk Rocket money, have it go from Western Sahara to Miami, a direct 
route to tap into migrant labor, immigrants, and trucks.

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#602069

On Saturday, October 22, 2016 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, Serigo wrote:
> On 10/22/2016 12:17 PM, Wally W. wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:51:11 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >
> 
> >>> ... and gets worse from there because they had *nothing*.
> >>
> >> The reason for sending people to the moon was to show the world that
> >> the USA had a bigger dick than the Soviet Union and help win the Cold War.
> >>
> >> Mission accomplished.
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > The only reason to go to Mars would be to show the world we have money
> > to waste.
> >
> > We don't have money to waste; and if we did, flaunting it in this way
> > before starving people would be contemptible.
> >
> 
> USA could build "The USA to Africa Bridge" with less than 1% of that 
> Musk Rocket money, have it go from Western Sahara to Miami, a direct 
> route to tap into migrant labor, immigrants, and trucks.


How about spending billions on desalination plants to irrigate the Sahara and turn it into lush, productive farm land to feed the world! 

Double-A

 

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#602104

Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 22, 2016 at 10:40:12 AM UTC-7, Serigo wrote:
>> On 10/22/2016 12:17 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>> > On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:51:11 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >
>> 
>> >>> ... and gets worse from there because they had *nothing*.
>> >>
>> >> The reason for sending people to the moon was to show the world that
>> >> the USA had a bigger dick than the Soviet Union and help win the Cold War.
>> >>
>> >> Mission accomplished.
>> >
>> > Agreed.
>> >
>> > The only reason to go to Mars would be to show the world we have money
>> > to waste.
>> >
>> > We don't have money to waste; and if we did, flaunting it in this way
>> > before starving people would be contemptible.
>> >
>> 
>> USA could build "The USA to Africa Bridge" with less than 1% of that 
>> Musk Rocket money, have it go from Western Sahara to Miami, a direct 
>> route to tap into migrant labor, immigrants, and trucks.
> 
> 
> How about spending billions on desalination plants to irrigate the Sahara and turn it into lush, productive farm land to feed the world! 
> 
> Double-A
 
Nah, that might make some sort of sense and encourage the wogs to breed.
  

-- 
Jim Pennino

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