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  what makes black holes spin ? Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-28 12:04 -0600
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 10:19 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-31 20:16 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-04 20:19 -0800
    what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 10:37 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-03 18:09 -0800
        Re: what makes black holes spin ? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-03 18:18 -0800
          Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-04 17:54 -0800
            Re: what makes black holes spin ? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-04 18:27 -0800
              Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-04 19:11 -0800
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 13:44 -0800
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 15:19 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-28 19:52 -0600
        Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 17:59 -0800
          Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 18:01 -0800
            Re: what makes black holes spin ? Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-28 22:06 -0600
        Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 17:59 -0800
        Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 04:27 -0500
          Re: what makes black holes spin ? Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-29 09:38 -0600
            Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:48 -0500
              Re: what makes black holes spin ? Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-31 12:44 -0600
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 10:38 -0800
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-28 23:26 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-29 15:59 -0800
        Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-29 16:13 -0800
          Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-29 16:25 -0800
            Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-29 20:54 -0800
              Re: what makes black holes spin ? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-29 21:20 -0800
                Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 21:26 -0800
                  Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 14:30 +0000
                    Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 08:24 -0800
                      Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 17:19 +0000
                        Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 09:26 -0800
                          Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 17:50 +0000
                        Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 10:44 -0800
                          Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 19:09 +0000
                            Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 14:56 -0800
                              Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 18:29 -0500
                                Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 01:29 +0000
                                  Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 17:57 -0800
                                    Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 14:36 +0000
                                Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 10:43 -0800
                                  Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 19:51 +0000
                                  Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 13:43 -0800
                                    Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 16:35 -0800
                                      Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 16:50 -0800
                                      Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 22:58 -0500
                                        Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 10:07 -0800
                                          Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 13:06 -0800
                              Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 00:21 +0000
                                Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 14:08 -0800
                                  Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 22:47 -0500
                                    Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-02 10:37 -0800
                                      Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-02 15:07 -0500
                                        Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-03 14:20 -0800
                Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-29 22:11 -0800
    Re:what makes black holes spin ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com.INVALID> - 2019-01-30 06:26 +0100
      Re:what makes black holes spin ? Káèek Cnemu <upkp@kawpwnus.cv> - 2019-01-31 15:37 +0000
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2019-02-02 10:46 -0800
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-03 15:50 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-03 16:51 -0800
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-03 18:04 -0800

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#725380

On 1/29/2019 12:48 PM, benj wrote:
> On 1/29/2019 10:38 AM, Sergi o wrote:
>> On 1/29/2019 3:27 AM, benj wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2019 8:52 PM, Sergi o wrote:
>>>> On 1/28/2019 5:19 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 10:04:13 AM UTC-8, Sergi o wrote:
>>>>>> any answers ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Of course. Your question is wrong.
>>>>> Unmarked space can't be detected so how
>>>>> can we then measure anything like empty
>>>>> spin?
>>>>>
>>>>> God creates gravity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Raemsch
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    it isn't a hard drive,
>>>>
>>> Spin space up, Sergio, and read reality. That's how life works. Just ask
>>> Odd.
>>
>>
>> ok, if I have a blender with nothing in it, and I turn it on, that spins
>> up space right ?
>>
> Warps the space inside and that creates the gravity that sticks the goo
> in the blender to the walls of the container! Simple science.

 agreed,

I think someone spun McFly around too much when he was a child.

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#725086

On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 3:19:03 PM UTC-8, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 10:04:13 AM UTC-8, Sergi o wrote:
> > any answers ?
> 
> Yes. Of course. Your question is wrong.
> Unmarked space can't be detected so how
> can we then measure anything like empty
> spin?
> 
> God creates gravity.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch

I'm thinking 'string theory" can answer why all thatis has spin Bert

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#725042

Sergi o wrote:
> 
> any answers ?


Black holes don't spin..

what spins is the area around the back hole.

The area around the black hole that spis is what creates...a black hole.


If you take a shovel
and dig
you create
a hole
by the area
removed from
the ground.

Or...

if you spin 
water
round and round
the spinning
makes a hole.

The hole does not spin.

Black holes don't spin.


Where do you get the information that black holes spin????

Does the hole in the doughnut ...spin?

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#725128

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Sergi o wrote:
> >
> > any answers ?
> 
> Black holes don't spin..
> 
> what spins is the area around the back hole.
> 
> The area around the black hole that spis is what creates...a black hole.
> 
> If you take a shovel
> and dig
> you create
> a hole
> by the area
> removed from
> the ground.
> 
> Or...
> 
> if you spin
> water
> round and round
> the spinning
> makes a hole.
> 
> The hole does not spin.
> 
> Black holes don't spin.
> 
> Where do you get the information that black holes spin????
> 
> Does the hole in the doughnut ...spin?


okay, 
you take a doughnut
and spin it...
does the hole spin?

and if not, then what would make the hole spin?

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#725129

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Sergi o wrote:
> > >
> > > any answers ?
> >
> > Black holes don't spin..
> >
> > what spins is the area around the back hole.
> >
> > The area around the black hole that spis is what creates...a black hole.
> >
> > If you take a shovel
> > and dig
> > you create
> > a hole
> > by the area
> > removed from
> > the ground.
> >
> > Or...
> >
> > if you spin
> > water
> > round and round
> > the spinning
> > makes a hole.
> >
> > The hole does not spin.
> >
> > Black holes don't spin.
> >
> > Where do you get the information that black holes spin????
> >
> > Does the hole in the doughnut ...spin?
> 
> okay,
> you take a doughnut
> and spin it...
> does the hole spin?
> 
> and if not, then what would make the hole spin?


I'm spinning a doughnut right now and there is nothing in the hole
spinning.

I can turn the doughnut around and still see the TV right side up...

shouldn't the TV I see through the doughtnut hole be upside down????

Experiment, observation sez the hole doesn't spin.

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#725131

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Sergi o wrote:
> > > >
> > > > any answers ?
> > >
> > > Black holes don't spin..
> > >
> > > what spins is the area around the back hole.
> > >
> > > The area around the black hole that spis is what creates...a black hole.
> > >
> > > If you take a shovel
> > > and dig
> > > you create
> > > a hole
> > > by the area
> > > removed from
> > > the ground.
> > >
> > > Or...
> > >
> > > if you spin
> > > water
> > > round and round
> > > the spinning
> > > makes a hole.
> > >
> > > The hole does not spin.
> > >
> > > Black holes don't spin.
> > >
> > > Where do you get the information that black holes spin????
> > >
> > > Does the hole in the doughnut ...spin?
> >
> > okay,
> > you take a doughnut
> > and spin it...
> > does the hole spin?
> >
> > and if not, then what would make the hole spin?
> 
> I'm spinning a doughnut right now and there is nothing in the hole
> spinning.
> 
> I can turn the doughnut around and still see the TV right side up...
> 
> shouldn't the TV I see through the doughtnut hole be upside down????
> 
> Experiment, observation sez the hole doesn't spin.



wat if i use a hulla hoop?

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#725145

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sergi o wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > any answers ?
> > > >
> > > > Black holes don't spin..
> > > >
> > > > what spins is the area around the back hole.
> > > >
> > > > The area around the black hole that spis is what creates...a black hole.
> > > >
> > > > If you take a shovel
> > > > and dig
> > > > you create
> > > > a hole
> > > > by the area
> > > > removed from
> > > > the ground.
> > > >
> > > > Or...
> > > >
> > > > if you spin
> > > > water
> > > > round and round
> > > > the spinning
> > > > makes a hole.
> > > >
> > > > The hole does not spin.
> > > >
> > > > Black holes don't spin.
> > > >
> > > > Where do you get the information that black holes spin????
> > > >
> > > > Does the hole in the doughnut ...spin?
> > >
> > > okay,
> > > you take a doughnut
> > > and spin it...
> > > does the hole spin?
> > >
> > > and if not, then what would make the hole spin?
> >
> > I'm spinning a doughnut right now and there is nothing in the hole
> > spinning.
> >
> > I can turn the doughnut around and still see the TV right side up...
> >
> > shouldn't the TV I see through the doughtnut hole be upside down????
> >
> > Experiment, observation sez the hole doesn't spin.
> 
> wat if i use a hulla hoop?


of course, there could be a misunderstanding what exactly the
'scientific community' mean be a black hole'...
(the science community are not every good with the english language)

maybe they mean the doughnut part of the hole and not the hole itself.

(maybe they haven't got around to giving a name to the doughnut part
that surrounds the hole)

then they really mean the dough is spinning, not the hole.


English is not Science, neither is gym class...

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#725147

On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 8:52:43 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:

> of course, there could be a misunderstanding what exactly the
> 'scientific community' mean be a black hole'...

Well, there is really no question about just what the scientific community means when they refer to a Black Hole. All you need to do is Google it up and read it for yourself...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

"A black hole is a region of spacetime exhibiting such strong gravitational effects that nothing—not even particles and electromagnetic radiation such as light—can escape from inside it."

There is a lot more info on the web page, but it is not really slanted towards "regular folk" because it is a very complex subject. There is virtually NO WAY an off-the-street regular guy can even begin to understand any of this without a whole lot of serious study, but unfortunately, there are a whole lot of 'regular guys' out there who think they know what they are talking about, but who don't actually know WTF they are talking about.

Which are you? The guys who doesn't really know much about the subject matter, or the guy who has never studied this stuff but still thinks he knows all about it?

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#725149

pnal
“Which are you? ”
I’m someone who know you’re a sheep

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#725186

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> pnal
> “Which are you? ”
> I’m someone who know you’re a sheep
> 

Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about
the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble
where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to
be a sheep. Right, John?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725201

Odd
“Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about 
the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble 
where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to 
be a sheep. Right, John? ”
It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.

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#725207

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about 
> the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble 
> where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to 
> be a sheep. Right, John? ”


> It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
> finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
> 

I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
Waste. Of. Time. 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725210

Odd
“I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. ”
Only your Sheperds know anything, Sheep.
That’s Sheep belief.
Baaa!!

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#725215

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. ”
> Only your Sheperds know anything, Sheep.
> That’s Sheep belief.
> Baaa!!
> 

John, I know you are unread and uneducated about the subject and you don’t
even understand the language used in the subject. 

Now, you can try to convince somebody that you know something deep about
physics ANYWAY. But I think you’ll find that most folks will rightfully
giggle at you. And your sheep bleat taunts won’t be compelling. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725219

On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Odd
> > “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about 
> > the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble 
> > where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to 
> > be a sheep. Right, John? ”
> 
> > It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
> > finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
> 
> I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
> things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
> does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
> Waste. Of. Time. 

Complete? Odd, why is it then you spend post-after-post chasing John's posts?
Even a class in college is but a semester long. Away with these students. 

> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

-- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८! 
Contents of some email I received: "WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED"
TheyTheThem2me: Why don't you open our emails anymore? Why O why?

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#725221

Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Odd
>>> “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about 
>>> the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble 
>>> where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to 
>>> be a sheep. Right, John? ”
>> 
>>> It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
>>> finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
>> 
>> I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
>> things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
>> does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
>> Waste. Of. Time. 
> 
> Complete? Odd, why is it then you spend post-after-post chasing John's posts?
> Even a class in college is but a semester long. Away with these students. 

Mahipal, long time. 

I comment on John’s posts, not to learn anything, but to encourage him to
change his ways. He has taken the path of dress-up-and-make-believe, which
is fine if done alone in a mirror or as part of a show where an audience
are paying for make-believe entertainment. John, however, wants to be taken
seriously. Much like a quack doctor without a license would like to be
taken seriously. Or someone posing as a movie director to get laid by
actresses. 

Or perhaps his thinking is that he’s too chickenshit afraid to try actually
learning something, and so he’s hoping that by posturing and saying
ridiculous things that he just makes up, then someone will actually try to
explain it at a level he can understand. 

Or perhaps he really has deluded himself into thinking that it’s the
untainted, uneducated novices that come up with the brilliant ideas that
move the dial forward, even though that is not a historical reality,
because it makes him feel better about himself. 

Regardless which one is on target with him, they’re all misbegotten notions
that should be pinched off like rotten fruit. 

> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८! 
> Contents of some email I received: "WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED"
> TheyTheThem2me: Why don't you open our emails anymore? Why O why?
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725256

On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Odd
> >>> “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about 
> >>> the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble 
> >>> where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to 
> >>> be a sheep. Right, John? ”
> >> 
> >>> It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
> >>> finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
> >> 
> >> I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
> >> things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
> >> does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
> >> Waste. Of. Time. 
> > 
> > Complete? Odd, why is it then you spend post-after-post chasing John's posts?
> > Even a class in college is but a semester long. Away with these students. 
> 
> Mahipal, long time. 

Long time, same woods.

> I comment on John’s posts, not to learn anything, but to encourage him to
> change his ways. He has taken the path of dress-up-and-make-believe, which
> is fine if done alone in a mirror or as part of a show where an audience
> are paying for make-believe entertainment. John, however, wants to be taken
> seriously. Much like a quack doctor without a license would like to be
> taken seriously. Or someone posing as a movie director to get laid by
> actresses. 

Even if the movie director might be female. Actresses be/are beautiful.

> Or perhaps his thinking is that he’s too chickenshit afraid to try actually
> learning something, and so he’s hoping that by posturing and saying
> ridiculous things that he just makes up, then someone will actually try to
> explain it at a level he can understand. 

Or perhaps you both simply enjoy drawing attention on a daily basis?
John's fixation on galaxies and atoms being similar but on different
size scales is akin to that skit in movie Animal House. Where the stoned
professor, high with the students, wows them with what's in our fingers.

> Or perhaps he really has deluded himself into thinking that it’s the
> untainted, uneducated novices that come up with the brilliant ideas that
> move the dial forward, even though that is not a historical reality,
> because it makes him feel better about himself. 

What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
others' delusions thrust upon you?

I'm a major fan of James Burke. He wrote/televised books/shows like
"Connections" and "The Day The Universe Changed." He had/has this nice
English accent. Hey, I've got to learn me English from somewhere someone...

Anyway, James recalls a incident of farmers finding weird rocks in their
fields. Somehow, local astronomers became aware of these rocks. They
asked the farmers from where did the rocks come? Farmers, being
non-technical non-experts said that the rocks fell from the skies,
stars, heavens. Something like that, for I can only paraphrase.

Moral, as history unfolded, after the astronomers mocked the farmers
with "Sure they did. Sure they did." The rocks were later confirmed to
be meteorites. Interesting story, situation, I thought to meself.

> Regardless which one is on target with him, they’re all misbegotten notions
> that should be pinched off like rotten fruit. 

So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?

There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
those that don't. Which one is you?

So, my grandfather, father's side, was a carpenter. Like when I was
three, years old, not in which grade, he'd make me wooden to(y)s. 
I can still see him chiseling away. Then I'd run off and play...

> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > 
> > -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८! 
> > Contents of some email I received: "WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED"
> > TheyTheThem2me: Why don't you open our emails anymore? Why O why?
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Why do I talk about myself? I think of all humans as some physics experiment.

-- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८! 

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#725260

On 1/30/2019 5:56 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Odd
>>>>> “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about
>>>>> the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble
>>>>> where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to
>>>>> be a sheep. Right, John? ”
>>>>
>>>>> It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
>>>>> finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
>>>>
>>>> I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
>>>> things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
>>>> does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
>>>> Waste. Of. Time.
>>>
>>> Complete? Odd, why is it then you spend post-after-post chasing John's posts?
>>> Even a class in college is but a semester long. Away with these students.
>>
>> Mahipal, long time.
> 
> Long time, same woods.
> 
>> I comment on John’s posts, not to learn anything, but to encourage him to
>> change his ways. He has taken the path of dress-up-and-make-believe, which
>> is fine if done alone in a mirror or as part of a show where an audience
>> are paying for make-believe entertainment. John, however, wants to be taken
>> seriously. Much like a quack doctor without a license would like to be
>> taken seriously. Or someone posing as a movie director to get laid by
>> actresses.
> 
> Even if the movie director might be female. Actresses be/are beautiful.
> 
>> Or perhaps his thinking is that he’s too chickenshit afraid to try actually
>> learning something, and so he’s hoping that by posturing and saying
>> ridiculous things that he just makes up, then someone will actually try to
>> explain it at a level he can understand.
> 
> Or perhaps you both simply enjoy drawing attention on a daily basis?
> John's fixation on galaxies and atoms being similar but on different
> size scales is akin to that skit in movie Animal House. Where the stoned
> professor, high with the students, wows them with what's in our fingers.
> 
>> Or perhaps he really has deluded himself into thinking that it’s the
>> untainted, uneducated novices that come up with the brilliant ideas that
>> move the dial forward, even though that is not a historical reality,
>> because it makes him feel better about himself.
> 
> What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
> others' delusions thrust upon you?
> 
> I'm a major fan of James Burke. He wrote/televised books/shows like
> "Connections" and "The Day The Universe Changed." He had/has this nice
> English accent. Hey, I've got to learn me English from somewhere someone...
> 
> Anyway, James recalls a incident of farmers finding weird rocks in their
> fields. Somehow, local astronomers became aware of these rocks. They
> asked the farmers from where did the rocks come? Farmers, being
> non-technical non-experts said that the rocks fell from the skies,
> stars, heavens. Something like that, for I can only paraphrase.
> 
> Moral, as history unfolded, after the astronomers mocked the farmers
> with "Sure they did. Sure they did." The rocks were later confirmed to
> be meteorites. Interesting story, situation, I thought to meself.


Odd is one of the family of mockers. "Everybody" knows that rocks do not 
simply fall out of the sky! That is utter nonsense and the only thing is 
to heap ridicule on the farmers and call them stupid. Tell them to read 
a science textbook to "prove" that rocks do not fall from the sky. The 
is the only educated and intellectual thing to do. AT least in Odd's 
fantasy world. Odd has no clue what science is. To him he's worked hard 
to memorize all the fantasies of the religion he's come to believe in 
and anyone who does not agree with his dogma must be stupid. It's simple 
as that. He knows nothing but thinks he knows it all.

You and I Looperji have actually seen things far more outside of 
establishment beliefs that actually really happened and we have enough 
of an open mind to actually understand that the world is actually full 
of miraculous events even if we do not yet understand them. That's the 
difference between you and I and Odd.

>> Regardless which one is on target with him, they’re all misbegotten notions
>> that should be pinched off like rotten fruit.
> 
> So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?
> 
> There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
> those that don't. Which one is you?

Some dance to remember and some dance to forget...

> So, my grandfather, father's side, was a carpenter. Like when I was
> three, years old, not in which grade, he'd make me wooden to(y)s.
> I can still see him chiseling away. Then I'd run off and play...

Even when I was a little kid I understood that wooden toys were 
primitive, stupid and worthless. When I had a toy I wanted it to actuall 
WORK and be effective, not some fake liberal bullshit fantasy. I 
remember ordering a "telescope encoder ring" When it came I learned a 
big lesson about advertising and how people with no integrity or 
practical knowledge will rob you with bullshit. Pretty much still going 
on... especially in Washington. Politicians even worse that makers of 
fake wooden toys.

>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
>>> Contents of some email I received: "WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED"
>>> TheyTheThem2me: Why don't you open our emails anymore? Why O why?
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Why do I talk about myself? I think of all humans as some physics experiment.

whose experiment is the KEY question!

> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
> 

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#725272

benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/30/2019 5:56 PM, Mahipal wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>> “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about
>>>>>> the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble
>>>>>> where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to
>>>>>> be a sheep. Right, John? ”
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
>>>>>> finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
>>>>> things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
>>>>> does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
>>>>> Waste. Of. Time.
>>>> 
>>>> Complete? Odd, why is it then you spend post-after-post chasing John's posts?
>>>> Even a class in college is but a semester long. Away with these students.
>>> 
>>> Mahipal, long time.
>> 
>> Long time, same woods.
>> 
>>> I comment on John’s posts, not to learn anything, but to encourage him to
>>> change his ways. He has taken the path of dress-up-and-make-believe, which
>>> is fine if done alone in a mirror or as part of a show where an audience
>>> are paying for make-believe entertainment. John, however, wants to be taken
>>> seriously. Much like a quack doctor without a license would like to be
>>> taken seriously. Or someone posing as a movie director to get laid by
>>> actresses.
>> 
>> Even if the movie director might be female. Actresses be/are beautiful.
>> 
>>> Or perhaps his thinking is that he’s too chickenshit afraid to try actually
>>> learning something, and so he’s hoping that by posturing and saying
>>> ridiculous things that he just makes up, then someone will actually try to
>>> explain it at a level he can understand.
>> 
>> Or perhaps you both simply enjoy drawing attention on a daily basis?
>> John's fixation on galaxies and atoms being similar but on different
>> size scales is akin to that skit in movie Animal House. Where the stoned
>> professor, high with the students, wows them with what's in our fingers.
>> 
>>> Or perhaps he really has deluded himself into thinking that it’s the
>>> untainted, uneducated novices that come up with the brilliant ideas that
>>> move the dial forward, even though that is not a historical reality,
>>> because it makes him feel better about himself.
>> 
>> What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
>> others' delusions thrust upon you?
>> 
>> I'm a major fan of James Burke. He wrote/televised books/shows like
>> "Connections" and "The Day The Universe Changed." He had/has this nice
>> English accent. Hey, I've got to learn me English from somewhere someone...
>> 
>> Anyway, James recalls a incident of farmers finding weird rocks in their
>> fields. Somehow, local astronomers became aware of these rocks. They
>> asked the farmers from where did the rocks come? Farmers, being
>> non-technical non-experts said that the rocks fell from the skies,
>> stars, heavens. Something like that, for I can only paraphrase.
>> 
>> Moral, as history unfolded, after the astronomers mocked the farmers
>> with "Sure they did. Sure they did." The rocks were later confirmed to
>> be meteorites. Interesting story, situation, I thought to meself.
> 
> 
> Odd is one of the family of mockers. "Everybody" knows that rocks do not 
> simply fall out of the sky! That is utter nonsense and the only thing is 
> to heap ridicule on the farmers and call them stupid. Tell them to read 
> a science textbook to "prove" that rocks do not fall from the sky. The 
> is the only educated and intellectual thing to do. AT least in Odd's 
> fantasy world. Odd has no clue what science is. To him he's worked hard 
> to memorize all the fantasies of the religion he's come to believe in 
> and anyone who does not agree with his dogma must be stupid. It's simple 
> as that. He knows nothing but thinks he knows it all.
> 
> You and I Looperji have actually seen things far more outside of 
> establishment beliefs that actually really happened and we have enough 
> of an open mind to actually understand that the world is actually full 
> of miraculous events even if we do not yet understand them. That's the 
> difference between you and I and Odd.
> 
>>> Regardless which one is on target with him, they’re all misbegotten notions
>>> that should be pinched off like rotten fruit.
>> 
>> So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?
>> 
>> There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
>> those that don't. Which one is you?
> 
> Some dance to remember and some dance to forget...
> 
>> So, my grandfather, father's side, was a carpenter. Like when I was
>> three, years old, not in which grade, he'd make me wooden to(y)s.
>> I can still see him chiseling away. Then I'd run off and play...
> 
> Even when I was a little kid I understood that wooden toys were 
> primitive, stupid and worthless. 

Lol. Then don’t buy any. Plenty people do. 

> When I had a toy I wanted it to actuall 
> WORK and be effective, not some fake liberal bullshit fantasy. I 
> remember ordering a "telescope encoder ring" When it came I learned a 
> big lesson about advertising and how people with no integrity or 
> practical knowledge will rob you with bullshit. Pretty much still going 
> on... especially in Washington. Politicians even worse that makers of 
> fake wooden toys.
> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>> 
>>>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
>>>> Contents of some email I received: "WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED"
>>>> TheyTheThem2me: Why don't you open our emails anymore? Why O why?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>> 
>> Why do I talk about myself? I think of all humans as some physics experiment.
> 
> whose experiment is the KEY question!
> 
>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
>> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725275

Odd
“Then don’t buy any. Plenty people do”
That’s the only shit of yours I might buy.
Not too busy this time of year, I see, Odd?
Not too much to do?

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