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  Going Up! The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-04 10:27 -0700
    Re: Going Up! Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-04 13:14 -0700
      Re: Going Up! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-04 19:09 -0500
        Re: Going Up! Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-14 06:26 -0700
          Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-14 07:25 -0700
            Re: Going Up! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-14 09:38 -0500
              Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-14 07:43 -0700
              Re: Going Up! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-14 11:26 -0400
            Re: Going Up! Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 10:01 -0700
              Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 12:10 -0700
                Re: Going Up! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 21:24 +0000
                  Re: Going Up! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-17 14:34 -0700
                  Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 16:12 -0700
                    Re: Going Up! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 23:22 +0000
                      Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 06:29 -0700
                        Re: Going Up! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:30 +0000
                          Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 08:13 -0700
                            Re: Going Up! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 16:22 +0000
                              Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 10:28 -0700
                                Re: Going Up! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 18:52 +0000
                                  Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 11:55 -0700
                                    Re: Going Up! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 20:04 +0000
                                      Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 13:11 -0700
                                        Re: Going Up! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 21:27 +0000
                                          Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:30 -0700
                                            Re: Going Up! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 00:02 +0000
                                              Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 17:20 -0700
                                                Re: Going Up! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 00:42 +0000
                                    Re: Going Up! Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 13:29 -0700
                                      Re: Going Up! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-18 18:51 -0500
                                        Re: Going Up! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 21:06 -0400
                                          Re: Going Up! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-18 21:26 -0500
                                            Re: Going Up! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 19:38 -0700
                                              Re: Going Up! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-18 21:48 -0500
                                                Re: Going Up! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 19:51 -0700
                                            Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 07:01 -0700
                                              Re: Going Up! Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 13:31 -0700
                                            Re: Going Up! Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 13:29 -0700
                                              Re: Going Up! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-19 21:00 -0500
                                        Re: Going Up! Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-19 13:14 -0700
                                          Re: Going Up! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-19 21:08 -0500
                      Re: Going Up! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 06:34 -0700
                        Re: Going Up! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:30 +0000
        Re: Going Up! "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-19 22:37 -0700
          Re: Going Up! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-09-20 10:09 -0500
    Re: Going Up! Haných Ltskáš <lnni@yawlucla.ha> - 2018-09-04 23:08 +0000

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#701094 — Going Up!

I thought someone here said taking an elevator to the Moon was not possible...



https://phys.org/news/2018-09-japan-mini-space-elevator.html


maybe your eyes are off slant.

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#701128

On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 1:27:54 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> I thought someone here said taking an elevator to the Moon was not possible...
> 
> 
> 
> https://phys.org/news/2018-09-japan-mini-space-elevator.html
> 
> 
> maybe your eyes are off slant.

Maybe you cannot read. A "space elevator" only raises up to
a geosynchronous orbit. That is still a long way short of
the moon.

Ed

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#701151

On 9/4/2018 3:14 PM, Edward Prochak wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 1:27:54 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
>> I thought someone here said taking an elevator to the Moon was not possible...
>>
>>
>>
>> https://phys.org/news/2018-09-japan-mini-space-elevator.html
>>
>>
>> maybe your eyes are off slant.
> 
> Maybe you cannot read. A "space elevator" only raises up to
> a geosynchronous orbit. That is still a long way short of
> the moon.
> 
> Ed
> 

link outta above link; (still no engineering specifics on it, still in
dreamland)

https://phys.org/news/2012-02-japan-builder-eyes-space-elevator.html

 A Japanese construction firm claimed Wednesday it could execute an
out-of-this-world plan to put tourists in space within 40 years by
building an elevator that stretches a quarter of the way to the moon.

Obayashi Corp claims it could use carbon nanotube technology, which is
more than 20 times stronger than steel, to build a lift shaft 96,000
kilometres (roughly 60,000 miles) above the Earth.

The company said it would carry up to 30 passengers at a time and travel
at a speed of 200 kilometres per hour for a week, stopping off at a
station at 36,000 kilometres.

Tourists would stay there, but researchers and specialists would be able
to travel all the way to the end, said Satomi Katsuyama, the project's
leader.

"Humans have long adored high towers," she said. "Rather than building
it from the earth, we will construct it from the space."

However, while Obayashi says the plan could work, there are presently no
estimates for the cost of the structure, nor any idea where to build it,
or who would pay for it.

Obayashi is just days away from completing work on Japan's tallest
structure, the Tokyo Sky Tree, which will stand 634 metres (2,080 feet).

The tower will serve as a digital broadcasting antenna as well as a
sightseeing attraction that allows uninterrupted views of the Japanese
capital and beyond.

"We were inspired by construction of Sky Tree," which will open for
business in May, she said. "Our experts on construction, climate, wind
patterns, design, they say it's possible."

When Obayashi is not drawing up plans to conquer space it works on a
number of projects from building corporate headquarters, bridges and
power plants to renovating ancient temples.

Among its portfolio are the Dubai Metro in United Arab Emirates,
Universal Studios Osaka, Japan, and Stadium Australia, which was used
for the Sydney Olympics.

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#702617

On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 8:09:45 PM UTC-4, Sergio wrote:
> On 9/4/2018 3:14 PM, Edward Prochak wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 1:27:54 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> I thought someone here said taking an elevator to the Moon was not possible...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> https://phys.org/news/2018-09-japan-mini-space-elevator.html
> >>
> >>
> >> maybe your eyes are off slant.
> > 
> > Maybe you cannot read. A "space elevator" only raises up to
> > a geosynchronous orbit. That is still a long way short of
> > the moon.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> 
> link outta above link; (still no engineering specifics on it, still in
> dreamland)
> 
> https://phys.org/news/2012-02-japan-builder-eyes-space-elevator.html
> 
>  A Japanese construction firm claimed Wednesday it could execute an
> out-of-this-world plan to put tourists in space within 40 years by
> building an elevator that stretches a quarter of the way to the moon.

This part MIGHT be possible.

> 
> Obayashi Corp claims it could use carbon nanotube technology, which is
> more than 20 times stronger than steel, to build a lift shaft 96,000
> kilometres (roughly 60,000 miles) above the Earth.
> 
> The company said it would carry up to 30 passengers at a time and travel
> at a speed of 200 kilometres per hour for a week, stopping off at a
> station at 36,000 kilometres.

Yes at geosynchronous orbit. That is theoretically possible.

> 
> Tourists would stay there, but researchers and specialists would be able
> to travel all the way to the end, said Satomi Katsuyama, the project's
> leader.
> 
> "Humans have long adored high towers," she said. "Rather than building
> it from the earth, we will construct it from the space."
> 
> However, while Obayashi says the plan could work, there are presently no
> estimates for the cost of the structure, nor any idea where to build it,
> or who would pay for it.

Ah, yes truly a pipe dream. IF the goal is an elevator to the moon,
then the cable is a BIG hurdle, but the anchor on earth would have to
be mobile to handle the diurnal (daily) rotation of the earth. That
could be at least as big a problem. A way station in geosynchronous
orbit doesn't solve that problem.

Ed

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#702620

People are getting stupider

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#702622

On 9/14/2018 9:25 AM, john wrote:
> People are getting stupider
> 

In the 1950's people were really stupid

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#702624

Sergio
“People are getting stupider 
> 

In the 1950's people were really stupid ”
I was born in 50

I first saw the “Space Elevator” concept in Discover magazine in the 70s- I was so amazed at the stupidity that I wrote them a snail mail saying so.

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#702633

On 9/14/2018 10:38 AM, Sergio wrote:
> On 9/14/2018 9:25 AM, john wrote:
>> People are getting stupider
>>
> 
> In the 1950's people were really stupid
> 
In the 1950s (no apostrophe) people would have said that people today 
are getting more stupid. Even liberal education is in the toilet.

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#703140

On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 10:25:17 AM UTC-4, john wrote:
> People are getting stupider

An you are a fine example of that, John. 8^)
ed
ed
ed

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#703174

Ed
“People are getting stupider 

An you are a fine example of that, John. 8^) 
ed ”
Mmm hmm.
Still not stupid enough to think a space elevator is possible

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#703214

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ed
> “People are getting stupider 
> 
> An you are a fine example of that, John. 8^) 
> ed ”
> Mmm hmm.
> Still not stupid enough to think a space elevator is possible
> 

I’m curious why you think one to a geosynchronous orbit is not possible. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#703216

Infinity never comes down...

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#703240

Odd
“I’m curious why you think one to a geosynchronous orbit is not possible. 
”
Yes
I’m not surprised

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#703245

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “I’m curious why you think one to a geosynchronous orbit is not possible. 
> ”
> Yes
> I’m not surprised
> 

I notice you seem unable to explain your rationale. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#703325

Odd
“I notice you seem unable to explain your rationale. 
“
Rationale = Logic

QM threw out Logic.
You stand by that.

WTF do YOU care about ‘rationale’, point particles suck Gravity man?

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#703331

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “I notice you seem unable to explain your rationale. 
> “
> Rationale = Logic

Well no. Logic is another word, like fractal, that you don’t understand
clearly. 

In plain language, John, explain your reasons for why the space elevator is
possible. 

Don’t dodge by saying that physics provides no reasons so you don’t either.
That would make you guilty of the same thing you think is sucky. 

> 
> QM threw out Logic.
> You stand by that.
> 
> WTF do YOU care about ‘rationale’, point particles suck Gravity man?
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#703339

Odd
“In plain language, John, explain ”

No, Odd.
There is no language plain enough for someone like you.

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#703350

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “In plain language, John, explain ”
> 
> No, Odd.
> There is no language plain enough for someone like you.
> 

Well, as I thought, John. The guy who says that if it can’t be explained in
plain language, then it’s wrong, can’t explain himself in plain language. 

You’re so full of shit, John, your hat is covered with flies. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#703360

Odd
“Well, as I thought, J”

You don’t think.
No zombies do.
You swallowed so much shit that real knowledge is anathema to you.

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#703372

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Well, as I thought, J”
> 
> You don’t think.
> No zombies do.
> You swallowed so much shit that real knowledge is anathema to you.
> 

Deflect away. 

You say the space elevator is impossible. Why?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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