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The Origin of Gravity

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First post2018-05-19 23:43 -0700
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  The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-19 23:43 -0700
    Re: The Origin of Gravity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-05-20 14:28 -0700
      Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-20 18:01 -0700
        Re: The Origin of Gravity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-05-22 14:11 -0700
          Re: The Origin of Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 05:07 -0700
            Re: The Origin of Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 12:45 +0000
              Re: The Origin of Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 06:31 -0700
                Re: The Origin of Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 13:39 +0000
                Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-23 10:49 -0400
                  Re: The Origin of Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 15:19 +0000
                    Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-23 17:52 -0400
                      Re: The Origin of Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-05-23 21:58 +0000
                        Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-23 20:56 -0400
    Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-20 17:57 -0700
    Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-23 19:13 -0700
      Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-24 01:55 -0400
        Re: The Origin of Gravity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 01:31 -0700
          Re: The Origin of Gravity snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-05-24 10:26 +0100
            Re: The Origin of Gravity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 04:40 -0700
              Re: The Origin of Gravity snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-05-24 14:23 +0100
                Re: The Origin of Gravity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 06:58 -0700
              Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 08:32 -0700
                Re: The Origin of Gravity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 08:54 -0700
        Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 08:30 -0700
          Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-24 11:54 -0400
            Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 16:52 -0700
              Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-24 20:40 -0400
                Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 22:22 -0700
                  Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-25 10:49 -0400
                    Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-25 11:56 -0700
          Re: The Origin of Gravity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-24 08:55 -0700
        Re: The Origin of Gravity Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-05-29 20:13 +0200
      Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-23 23:52 -0700
      Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-24 17:21 -0700
        Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-25 09:14 -0700
        Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-25 14:17 -0700
          Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-25 14:34 -0700
            Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-25 18:20 -0400
            Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-27 13:32 -0700
              Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-27 15:18 -0700
    Re: The Origin of Gravity "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-27 15:48 -0700
      Re: The Origin of Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 15:54 -0700
        Re: The Origin of Gravity "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-27 20:23 -0700
          Re: The Origin of Gravity "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-05-27 20:27 -0700
            Re: The Origin of Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 06:43 -0700
              Re: The Origin of Gravity Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 10:35 -0700
                Re: The Origin of Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-31 16:28 -0700
                  Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 20:11 -0400
                    Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-31 21:09 -0700
                Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 20:11 -0400
          Re: The Origin of Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 15:50 -0700
            Re: The Origin of Gravity "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-28 18:35 -0700
      Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-27 15:57 -0700
        Re: The Origin of Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-27 16:22 -0700
        Re: The Origin of Gravity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-05-27 20:07 -0700
        Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-28 11:21 -0700
          Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-28 14:54 -0400
            Re: The Origin of Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-28 13:25 -0700
              Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-28 17:39 -0700
              Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-28 21:05 -0700
                Re: The Origin of Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 05:40 -0700
                  Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-30 02:11 -0700
            Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-28 15:57 -0700
              Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-28 23:40 -0700
                Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-29 09:12 -0700
                  Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-29 13:28 -0400
                  Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-01 12:04 -0700
                    Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-06-01 23:43 -0700
                    Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-02 13:17 -0700
                      Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 16:52 -0400
                        Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-02 15:04 -0700
                          Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-02 20:43 -0400
                            Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-02 23:46 -0700
                              Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-03 08:01 -0400
                                Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-03 13:07 -0700
                                Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-03 18:37 -0700
                                  Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-06-05 06:56 -0700
                        Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-06-03 06:51 -0700
                Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-30 02:01 -0700
                  Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-30 11:33 -0700
                    Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-30 13:43 -0700
                    Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-30 18:11 -0700
            Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-28 21:02 -0700
            Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-30 01:13 -0700
              Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-30 10:09 -0400
                Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-30 10:27 -0700
                  Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-30 14:53 -0400
                    Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-01 01:36 -0700
                      Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-01 14:08 -0700
                        Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-06-01 15:16 -0700
                Re: The Origin of Gravity Earle Jones <earle.jones@comcast.net> - 2018-05-30 11:40 -0700
                  Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-30 20:35 -0400
              Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 21:49 -0400
          Re: The Origin of Gravity Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> - 2018-05-29 22:20 +1000
            Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-29 07:19 -0700
              Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-05-29 08:37 -0700
                Time == Entropy. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-29 09:44 -0700
              Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-29 13:23 -0400
                Your desire to be "God, the Father" has been your down fall. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-29 10:28 -0700
                  Re: Your desire to be "God, the Father" has been your down fall. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-29 19:59 -0400
    Re: The Origin of Gravity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-05-30 11:46 -0700
    The Origin of Gravity sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2018-05-30 20:10 -0700
      Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-30 22:03 -0700
        Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 02:10 -0400
          Re: The Origin of Gravity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-05-31 12:54 -0700
            Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 17:18 -0400
              Re: The Origin of Gravity Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> - 2018-06-01 16:18 +1000
              Re: The Origin of Gravity Vaughn Fleck <guah@nhnw.nc> - 2018-06-01 20:00 +0000
            Re: The Origin of Gravity poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-05-31 21:06 -0700
      Re: The Origin of Gravity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-31 02:07 -0400
      Re: The Origin of Gravity "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-31 10:44 -0700

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#686340 — The Origin of Gravity

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-05-19 23:43 -0700
SubjectThe Origin of Gravity
Message-ID<5B0118FB.316A@ix.netcom.com>
The problem with describing
The Origin of Gravity is
using 'words' to describe it..

math won't do..

and it is very differcult to picture..

before the big bang...

stars in the universe were like..
a dozen eggs.


All laid out next to each other
side by side...evenly.

but if you let all the eggs fall out..

without breaking

you need gravity to hold each one

to stop it from breaking..

Now,

The Origin of Gravity

is what kept the eggs

before the big bang...side by side evenly.


Sort of looking at the Big Dipper..

and a couple of eggs falling out.


The problem with describing
The Origin of Gravity is
using 'words' to describe it..

math won't do..

and it is very differcult to picture..


but imagine hitting a tennis ball at a net...

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#686379

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-05-20 14:28 -0700
Message-ID<eab2f599-d9cd-46b9-98b9-c8e3adcca93b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#686340
On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 11:42:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The problem with describing
> The Origin of Gravity is
> using 'words' to describe it..
> 
> math won't do..
> 
> and it is very differcult to picture..
> 
> before the big bang...
> 
> stars in the universe were like..
> a dozen eggs.
> 
> 
> All laid out next to each other
> side by side...evenly.
> 
> but if you let all the eggs fall out..
> 
> without breaking
> 
> you need gravity to hold each one
> 
> to stop it from breaking..
> 
> Now,
> 
> The Origin of Gravity
> 
> is what kept the eggs
> 
> before the big bang...side by side evenly.
> 
> 
> Sort of looking at the Big Dipper..
> 
> and a couple of eggs falling out.
> 
> 
> The problem with describing
> The Origin of Gravity is
> using 'words' to describe it..
> 
> math won't do..
> 
> and it is very differcult to picture..
> 
> 
> but imagine hitting a tennis ball at a net...

The origin of curved motion is a response to curved space speed.
The math of these and weight are the only way to describe gravity.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#686405

Fromporaty149@gmail.com
Date2018-05-20 18:01 -0700
Message-ID<e57bcd95-0342-4204-97af-a4a60c56955a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#686379
On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:28:39 AM UTC+3, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 11:42:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The problem with describing
> > The Origin of Gravity is
> > using 'words' to describe it..
> > 
> > math won't do..
> > 
> > and it is very differcult to picture..
> > 
> > before the big bang...
> > 
> > stars in the universe were like..
> > a dozen eggs.
> > 
> > 
> > All laid out next to each other
> > side by side...evenly.
> > 
> > but if you let all the eggs fall out..
> > 
> > without breaking
> > 
> > you need gravity to hold each one
> > 
> > to stop it from breaking..
> > 
> > Now,
> > 
> > The Origin of Gravity
> > 
> > is what kept the eggs
> > 
> > before the big bang...side by side evenly.
> > 
> > 
> > Sort of looking at the Big Dipper..
> > 
> > and a couple of eggs falling out.
> > 
> > 
> > The problem with describing
> > The Origin of Gravity is
> > using 'words' to describe it..
> > 
> > math won't do..
> > 
> > and it is very differcult to picture..
> > 
> > 
> > but imagine hitting a tennis ball at a net...
> 
> The origin of curved motion is a response to curved space speed.
> The math of these and weight are the only way to describe gravity.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch
==================
no  math and no schmath
first of all before math 
should come a physics concept !!

see
the Y Circlon 
==
ATB
Y.Porat
===================

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#686673

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-05-22 14:11 -0700
Message-ID<b9b1ccb0-15f7-409d-bf6e-30d808d16761@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#686405
On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 6:01:32 PM UTC-7, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 12:28:39 AM UTC+3, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 11:42:39 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The problem with describing
> > > The Origin of Gravity is
> > > using 'words' to describe it..
> > > 
> > > math won't do..
> > > 
> > > and it is very differcult to picture..
> > > 
> > > before the big bang...
> > > 
> > > stars in the universe were like..
> > > a dozen eggs.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > All laid out next to each other
> > > side by side...evenly.
> > > 
> > > but if you let all the eggs fall out..
> > > 
> > > without breaking
> > > 
> > > you need gravity to hold each one
> > > 
> > > to stop it from breaking..
> > > 
> > > Now,
> > > 
> > > The Origin of Gravity
> > > 
> > > is what kept the eggs
> > > 
> > > before the big bang...side by side evenly.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sort of looking at the Big Dipper..
> > > 
> > > and a couple of eggs falling out.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The problem with describing
> > > The Origin of Gravity is
> > > using 'words' to describe it..
> > > 
> > > math won't do..
> > > 
> > > and it is very differcult to picture..
> > > 
> > > 
> > > but imagine hitting a tennis ball at a net...
> > 
> > The origin of curved motion is a response to curved space speed.
> > The math of these and weight are the only way to describe gravity.
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> ==================
> no  math and no schmath
> first of all before math 
> should come a physics concept !!
> 
> see
> the Y Circlon 
> ==
> ATB
> Y.Porat
> ===================

Gravity is created as sphere radial.

Space speed is round.


Mitchell Raemsch

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#686781

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-23 05:07 -0700
Message-ID<fdff7b03-7547-45fa-a91d-8bfcdbfbbf06@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#686673
Gravity is the result of the “kinetic energy” (Oddspeak)
of all the other electrons within a certain distance.

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#686786

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-23 12:45 +0000
Message-ID<pe3npf$15fu$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#686781
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gravity is the result of the “kinetic energy” (Oddspeak)
> of all the other electrons within a certain distance.
> 

If you think kinetic energy is a term I made up, then you missed out on
high school physics. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#686787

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-23 06:31 -0700
Message-ID<2c602aff-bc49-46bd-94e7-70c551aaa281@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#686786
Odd
“If you think kinetic energy is a term I made up, then you missed out on 
high school ..”
What does ‘kinetic’ mean to you, Odd?

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#686788

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-23 13:39 +0000
Message-ID<pe3quv$1b4c$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#686787
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “If you think kinetic energy is a term I made up, then you missed out on 
> high school ..”
> What does ‘kinetic’ mean to you, Odd?
> 

Pertaining to motion. Note that motion doesn’t entail a trajectory always.
I know in your common experience the two are tied together. But your common
experience is unreliable and often gives completely wrong answers. Several
examples would illustrate this. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#686795

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-23 10:49 -0400
Message-ID<3cfNC.187118$1e7.151800@fx38.iad>
In reply to#686787
On 5/23/2018 9:31 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> “If you think kinetic energy is a term I made up, then you missed out on
> high school ..”
> What does ‘kinetic’ mean to you, Odd?
> 
He doesn't know, John.

Obviously Kinetic energy is just one more of
Odd's fantasies like gravity "Pulls".

Obviously Kinetic energy does not exist because if some object is flying 
by you it clearly has lots of 'kinetic energy". Yet if you jump in a 
plane and catch up to it as you look out the window at it, it has ZERO 
kinetic energy. So how can this same material object possess both large 
amounts of "energy" and yet depending how you look at it possess none?
Clearly "kinetic energy" can only be a fantasy and illusion.

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#686799

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-23 15:19 +0000
Message-ID<pe40q4$1m7q$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#686795
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 5/23/2018 9:31 AM, john wrote:
>> Odd
>> “If you think kinetic energy is a term I made up, then you missed out on
>> high school ..”
>> What does ‘kinetic’ mean to you, Odd?
>> 
> He doesn't know, John.
> 
> Obviously Kinetic energy is just one more of
> Odd's fantasies like gravity "Pulls".
> 
> Obviously Kinetic energy does not exist because if some object is flying 
> by you it clearly has lots of 'kinetic energy". Yet if you jump in a 
> plane and catch up to it as you look out the window at it, it has ZERO 
> kinetic energy. So how can this same material object possess both large 
> amounts of "energy" and yet depending how you look at it possess none?
> Clearly "kinetic energy" can only be a fantasy and illusion.
> 

Because in physics, everything that is frame dependent is not real? Is
there some physics axiom about that? Or was the chain just really handy for
yanking?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#686826

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-23 17:52 -0400
Message-ID<EolNC.135767$mS3.87295@fx04.iad>
In reply to#686799
On 5/23/2018 11:19 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 5/23/2018 9:31 AM, john wrote:
>>> Odd
>>> “If you think kinetic energy is a term I made up, then you missed out on
>>> high school ..”
>>> What does ‘kinetic’ mean to you, Odd?
>>>
>> He doesn't know, John.
>>
>> Obviously Kinetic energy is just one more of
>> Odd's fantasies like gravity "Pulls".
>>
>> Obviously Kinetic energy does not exist because if some object is flying
>> by you it clearly has lots of 'kinetic energy". Yet if you jump in a
>> plane and catch up to it as you look out the window at it, it has ZERO
>> kinetic energy. So how can this same material object possess both large
>> amounts of "energy" and yet depending how you look at it possess none?
>> Clearly "kinetic energy" can only be a fantasy and illusion.
>>
> 
> Because in physics, everything that is frame dependent is not real? Is
> there some physics axiom about that? Or was the chain just really handy for
> yanking?
> 
You still don't get it, Odd.
Fantasies are things that change with what you think about them.
Things that are REAL may change their APPEARANCE depending upon your 
conditions, but their essence does not depend in any way upon you.
And certainly does not depend upon YOUR state of motion.

This is the difference between fantasy and reality. John will explain it 
to you.

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#686831

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-05-23 21:58 +0000
Message-ID<pe4o60$10a8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#686826
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 5/23/2018 11:19 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 5/23/2018 9:31 AM, john wrote:
>>>> Odd
>>>> “If you think kinetic energy is a term I made up, then you missed out on
>>>> high school ..”
>>>> What does ‘kinetic’ mean to you, Odd?
>>>> 
>>> He doesn't know, John.
>>> 
>>> Obviously Kinetic energy is just one more of
>>> Odd's fantasies like gravity "Pulls".
>>> 
>>> Obviously Kinetic energy does not exist because if some object is flying
>>> by you it clearly has lots of 'kinetic energy". Yet if you jump in a
>>> plane and catch up to it as you look out the window at it, it has ZERO
>>> kinetic energy. So how can this same material object possess both large
>>> amounts of "energy" and yet depending how you look at it possess none?
>>> Clearly "kinetic energy" can only be a fantasy and illusion.
>>> 
>> 
>> Because in physics, everything that is frame dependent is not real? Is
>> there some physics axiom about that? Or was the chain just really handy for
>> yanking?
>> 
> You still don't get it, Odd.
> Fantasies are things that change with what you think about them.
> Things that are REAL may change their APPEARANCE depending upon your 
> conditions, but their essence does not depend in any way upon you.
> And certainly does not depend upon YOUR state of motion.

Is this “essence” a physics term or a metaphysics one? 



> 
> This is the difference between fantasy and reality. John will explain it 
> to you.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#686856

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-23 20:56 -0400
Message-ID<_4oNC.58153$Mj2.24769@fx22.iad>
In reply to#686831
On 5/23/2018 5:58 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 5/23/2018 11:19 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/23/2018 9:31 AM, john wrote:
>>>>> Odd
>>>>> “If you think kinetic energy is a term I made up, then you missed out on
>>>>> high school ..”
>>>>> What does ‘kinetic’ mean to you, Odd?
>>>>>
>>>> He doesn't know, John.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously Kinetic energy is just one more of
>>>> Odd's fantasies like gravity "Pulls".
>>>>
>>>> Obviously Kinetic energy does not exist because if some object is flying
>>>> by you it clearly has lots of 'kinetic energy". Yet if you jump in a
>>>> plane and catch up to it as you look out the window at it, it has ZERO
>>>> kinetic energy. So how can this same material object possess both large
>>>> amounts of "energy" and yet depending how you look at it possess none?
>>>> Clearly "kinetic energy" can only be a fantasy and illusion.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because in physics, everything that is frame dependent is not real? Is
>>> there some physics axiom about that? Or was the chain just really handy for
>>> yanking?
>>>
>> You still don't get it, Odd.
>> Fantasies are things that change with what you think about them.
>> Things that are REAL may change their APPEARANCE depending upon your
>> conditions, but their essence does not depend in any way upon you.
>> And certainly does not depend upon YOUR state of motion.
> 
> Is this “essence” a physics term or a metaphysics one?

Obviously not metaphysics as we are not talking about the "spirit" of 
objects. For someone who loves jargon as much as you do you sure have a 
problem with words!

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#686404

Fromporaty149@gmail.com
Date2018-05-20 17:57 -0700
Message-ID<53ed9260-02de-4885-b7ad-64e384823eca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#686340
On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 9:42:39 AM UTC+3, The Starmaker wrote:
> The problem with describing
> The Origin of Gravity is
> using 'words' to describe it..
> 
> math won't do..
> 
> and it is very differcult to picture..
> 
> before the big bang...
> 
> stars in the universe were like..
> a dozen eggs.
> 
> 
> All laid out next to each other
> side by side...evenly.
> 
> but if you let all the eggs fall out..
> 
> without breaking
> 
> you need gravity to hold each one
> 
> to stop it from breaking..
> 
> Now,
> 
> The Origin of Gravity
> 
> is what kept the eggs
> 
> before the big bang...side by side evenly.
> 
> 
> Sort of looking at the Big Dipper..
> 
> and a couple of eggs falling out.
> 
> 
> The problem with describing
> The Origin of Gravity is
> using 'words' to describe it..
> 
> math won't do..
> 
> and it is very differcult to picture..
> 
> 
> but imagine hitting a tennis ball at a net...
============================

MASS IS THE ''MOTHER ''/ORRIGIN OF ALL FORCES!!
INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!

=================
Y.Porat
=========================================

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#686858

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-05-23 19:13 -0700
Message-ID<5B061FAC.4241@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#686340
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The problem with describing
> The Origin of Gravity is
> using 'words' to describe it..
> 
> math won't do..
> 
> and it is very differcult to picture..
> 
> before the big bang...
> 
> stars in the universe were like..
> a dozen eggs.
> 
> All laid out next to each other
> side by side...evenly.
> 
> but if you let all the eggs fall out..
> 
> without breaking
> 
> you need gravity to hold each one
> 
> to stop it from breaking..
> 
> Now,
> 
> The Origin of Gravity
> 
> is what kept the eggs
> 
> before the big bang...side by side evenly.
> 
> Sort of looking at the Big Dipper..
> 
> and a couple of eggs falling out.
> 
> The problem with describing
> The Origin of Gravity is
> using 'words' to describe it..
> 
> math won't do..
> 
> and it is very differcult to picture..
> 
> but imagine hitting a tennis ball at a net...


I know it is hard in terms you can understand..


let's take a dozen eggs...

all laid out next to each other
side by side...evenly.

That is how it looked before the big bang..

Now open the box of eggs and
turn it upside down so they can all
fall down..

you look on the floor and you got this 
big mess..

eggs everywhere..

but, before they were all
laid out next to each other
side by side, evenly...

and then they fell out of the box...but
each egg fell out in a straight line.

You couldn't tell by looking at the floor..

you could say the eggs on the floor are now
galaxies...

but, but...

before the big bang..
all stars were 
laid out next to each other
side by side, evenly...

and during the big bang they
all went out in a straight line..

but looking at the universe today...

it appears they are all scattered out..

but they are not.

Gravity bended the straight line they were following..

so, what 
laid out the stars next to each other
side by side, evenly?


What form did Gravity have before the big bang?

Here is an illustration of the stars before the big bang..


*      *       *       *        

*      *       *       *

*      *       *       *

*      *       *       *

*      *       *       *





and here is an illustration of moments during the big bang...


   



   *    *
           *
                *
                       *
               *
                     *


    

and here is an illustration after the big bang...


 *    .  *       .             *
                         *
 *   .        *       .       .       *
   .     *
           .     .  *        *
       .                .        .
.  *           *                     *
                             .
         *          .   *
*    *
           *                    
                *
 .    .                  *    
               *
                     *
.        .                       

*    .  *       .             *
                         *
 *   .        *       .       .       *
   .     *
           .     .  *        *
       .                .        .
.  *           *                     *
                             .
         *          .   *





from order to disorder..

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#686872

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-05-24 01:55 -0400
Message-ID<YtsNC.197447$bS4.15624@fx01.iad>
In reply to#686858
On 5/23/2018 10:13 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> The problem with describing
>> The Origin of Gravity is
>> using 'words' to describe it..
>>
>> math won't do..
>>
>> and it is very differcult to picture..
>>
>> before the big bang...
>>
>> stars in the universe were like..
>> a dozen eggs.
>>
>> All laid out next to each other
>> side by side...evenly.
>>
>> but if you let all the eggs fall out..
>>
>> without breaking
>>
>> you need gravity to hold each one
>>
>> to stop it from breaking..
>>
>> Now,
>>
>> The Origin of Gravity
>>
>> is what kept the eggs
>>
>> before the big bang...side by side evenly.
>>
>> Sort of looking at the Big Dipper..
>>
>> and a couple of eggs falling out.
>>
>> The problem with describing
>> The Origin of Gravity is
>> using 'words' to describe it..
>>
>> math won't do..
>>
>> and it is very differcult to picture..
>>
>> but imagine hitting a tennis ball at a net...
> 
> 
> I know it is hard in terms you can understand..
> 
> 
> let's take a dozen eggs...
> 
> all laid out next to each other
> side by side...evenly.
> 
> That is how it looked before the big bang..
> 
> Now open the box of eggs and
> turn it upside down so they can all
> fall down..
> 
> you look on the floor and you got this
> big mess..
> 
> eggs everywhere..
> 
> but, before they were all
> laid out next to each other
> side by side, evenly...
> 
> and then they fell out of the box...but
> each egg fell out in a straight line.
> 
> You couldn't tell by looking at the floor..
> 
> you could say the eggs on the floor are now
> galaxies...
> 
> but, but...
> 
> before the big bang..
> all stars were
> laid out next to each other
> side by side, evenly...
> 
> and during the big bang they
> all went out in a straight line..
> 
> but looking at the universe today...
> 
> it appears they are all scattered out..
> 
> but they are not.
> 
> Gravity bended the straight line they were following..
> 
> so, what
> laid out the stars next to each other
> side by side, evenly?
> 
> 
> What form did Gravity have before the big bang?
> 
> Here is an illustration of the stars before the big bang..
> 
> 
> *      *       *       *
> 
> *      *       *       *
> 
> *      *       *       *
> 
> *      *       *       *
> 
> *      *       *       *
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> and here is an illustration of moments during the big bang...
> 
> 
>     
> 
> 
> 
>     *    *
>             *
>                  *
>                         *
>                 *
>                       *
> 
> 
>      
> 
> and here is an illustration after the big bang...
> 
> 
>   *    .  *       .             *
>                           *
>   *   .        *       .       .       *
>     .     *
>             .     .  *        *
>         .                .        .
> .  *           *                     *
>                               .
>           *          .   *
> *    *
>             *
>                  *
>   .    .                  *
>                 *
>                       *
> .        .
> 
> *    .  *       .             *
>                           *
>   *   .        *       .       .       *
>     .     *
>             .     .  *        *
>         .                .        .
> .  *           *                     *
>                               .
>           *          .   *
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> from order to disorder..

Utter nonsense.
There was no Big Bang.

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#686882

FromSiri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
Date2018-05-24 01:31 -0700
Message-ID<chine.bleu-CC98C2.01312624052018@reader.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#686872
In article <YtsNC.197447$bS4.15624@fx01.iad>, benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:

> Utter nonsense.
> There was no Big Bang.

A Timorous Whimper?

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.    @
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'                                    /|\
I'm saving up to buy the Donald a blue stone      This post         / \
from Metebelis 3. All praise the Great Don!       insults Islam.  Mohammed

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#686884

Fromsnipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
Date2018-05-24 10:26 +0100
Message-ID<1npavmz.qpov5d1nag2b9N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
In reply to#686882
Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <YtsNC.197447$bS4.15624@fx01.iad>, benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> 
> > Utter nonsense.
> > There was no Big Bang.
> 
> A Timorous Whimper?

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

-- 
^Ï^.           Sn!pe           <snipeco.1@gmail.com>

My pet rock Gordon just is.
 

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#686885

FromSiri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
Date2018-05-24 04:40 -0700
Message-ID<chine.bleu-DF561A.04401224052018@reader.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#686884
In article <1npavmz.qpov5d1nag2b9N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
 snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <YtsNC.197447$bS4.15624@fx01.iad>, benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > Utter nonsense.
> > > There was no Big Bang.
> > 
> > A Timorous Whimper?
> 
> I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

This is how the world ends.
This is how the world ends.
Not with a hotdog
but with a Wimpy.

Do create another world later today: I'm trying to finish some software.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.    @
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'                                    /|\
I'm saving up to buy the Donald a blue stone      This post         / \
from Metebelis 3. All praise the Great Don!       insults Islam.  Mohammed

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#686886

Fromsnipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
Date2018-05-24 14:23 +0100
Message-ID<1npb6k2.18argbkcyja01N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>
In reply to#686885
Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <1npavmz.qpov5d1nag2b9N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
>  snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
> 
> > Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <YtsNC.197447$bS4.15624@fx01.iad>, 
> > > benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Utter nonsense.
> > > > There was no Big Bang.
> > > 
> > > A Timorous Whimper?
> > 
> > I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
> 
> This is how the world ends.
> This is how the world ends.
> Not with a hotdog
> but with a Wimpy.
> 
> Do create another world later today: I'm trying to finish some software.

This week's World is now 01'23" old.

-- 
^Ï^.           Sn!pe           <snipeco.1@gmail.com>

My pet rock Gordon just is.
 

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