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  Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-03 23:42 -0700
    Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-04 09:45 -0700
    Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-06 10:48 -0700
      Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-06 13:04 -0700
        Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-06 13:13 -0700
          Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 10:29 -0700
            Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-04-07 23:29 -0700
              Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 00:14 -0700
      Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-07 10:30 -0700
        Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-07 11:31 -0700
          Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 23:33 -0700
            Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 12:09 +0000
              Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-08 13:52 -0700
                Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 03:09 -0700
                  Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 11:13 +0000
                    Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 08:11 -0700
                      Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 17:35 +0000
                        Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 11:41 -0700
                          Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 07:48 -0500
                            Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:24 -0700
                              Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 15:57 +0000
                                All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells us... Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-10 09:49 -0700
                                Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 12:03 -0700
                                  Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 19:59 +0000
                                    Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 13:07 -0700
                                      Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 20:12 +0000
                                        Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 13:15 -0700
                                          Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 14:21 -0700
                                            Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 22:10 -0700
                            Go back far enough, and the -known- Universe is zip, zero, nada. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-10 08:52 -0700
                            Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 11:37 -0500
          Re: is space expanding literally everywhere? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-08 11:48 -0700

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#680614

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> Here's from the 7th
> "What is the age of the universe? According to observation..it goes into
> the trillions or more! Not stupid 14 billion years... 

So you said “According to observation..it goes into the trillions or more!”
WHAT observations?

> 
> there is no such thing as an "unobservable universe"... 

What on earth makes you think that everything in this universe is in
observable range?

> 
> 
> Are you going to stand around waiting for your cult leaders to say every
> hundred years..."The universe is older than we thought."? "
> 
> As you see, Odd, you have reading comprehension difficulties- partially
> my fault for using my phone which doesn't provide attributes- but just
> read back a few, Odd. You can do it!!
> 
> I included Ace from Space's last bit about your cult, Odd- 

Who? There was no attribution to him of what he said. If I have him
filtered the only way I’m going to know in a post of yours what you say and
what you’re lifting from someone else is if you credit the quote, which you
didn’t do. Unattributed quoting is dishonest. 

> when are you guys going to come back to Logic and Sanity? These latest
> telescope observations really require  a LOT of imagination to match to
> what your 'model' predicts. Nothing comes out of Black Holes? Poor Hawking.
> 
> As I said, "The Universe is Eternal".

Where’s the EVIDENCE of that?

> 
> Prove me wrong.
> 

Evidence points in the other direction, that at a finite time in the past,
everything was much, much, much closer together than today — so much so
that it was clearly much different looking than today. No galaxies, no
atoms, extremely hot. 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680626 — All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells us...

> > The Universe is Eternal.

Yes, the four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal;
at once nothing -and- everything.

> Where’s the EVIDENCE of that?

All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells us:

    Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

> Evidence points in the other direction, that at a finite time in the past,
> everything was much, much, much closer together than today — so much so
> that it was clearly much different looking than today.  No galaxies, no
> atoms, extremely hot. 

Yes, the farther back in time we look, the less we know;
we don't just "approach" zero knowledge, we hit it.

Imagine the Earth, the Sun, the Solar system, the Milky Way,
Andromeda, and the hundreds of billions of galaxies we see today...
now add a little "gravity/eXergy" ( energy that can do physical work ),
so it all fits in the head of a pin.

When you're done, that's what it was like, 13.8 billion years ago:
no entropy, infinite eXergy/Gravity/Density... a black hole.

Lord Kelvin, 1852, originated the idea of universal heat death.
Eventually, gravity/eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy;
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy/Gravity/Density.

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#680639

Odd
"john <johnse...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> Odd 
> Here's from the 7th 
> "What is the age of the universe? According to observation..it goes into 
> the trillions or more! Not stupid 14 billion years... 

So you said “According to observation..it goes into the trillions or more!” "

No.
Starfaker said that.
I consistently say the Universe had no Beginning and will have no end.
Capiche, petit chou?

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#680649

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "john <johnse...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> Odd 
>> Here's from the 7th 
>> "What is the age of the universe? According to observation..it goes into 
>> the trillions or more! Not stupid 14 billion years... 
> 
> So you said “According to observation..it goes into the trillions or more!” "
> 
> No.
> Starfaker said that.

Ah, so you quoted him without attribution. Shame. 

> I consistently say the Universe had no Beginning and will have no end.

And your evidence for this is what? That before is before? That there can’t
be a lower limit because lower is lower? How are you with absolute zero on
the temperature scale? Can’t exist because lower is lower?

> Capiche, petit chou?
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680652

Odd
"so you quoted him without attribution. Shame. 
"
Suck it up.

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#680655

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> "so you quoted him without attribution. Shame. 
> "
> Suck it up.
> 

Or you could use a real tool. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#680657

Odd
"
Or you could use a real tool. 
"
You're available?

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#680673

Odd
Sorry I called you a 'real tool'.
Lying again- you're useful, I'm sure

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#680731

Odd
It's always great to have you weigh in on things.
Keep up the good work

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#680612 — Go back far enough, and the -known- Universe is zip, zero, nada.

The -known- Universe is finite.
Go back far enough, and the -known- Universe is zip, zero, nada.

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#680622

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 07:48:56 -0500, Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 4/9/18 1:41 PM, john wrote:
>> Odd
>> "john <johnse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Odd
>>> "And you mentioned trillions were observed. "
>>> We all know that if YOU  can't see it, it doesn't exist.
>> 
>> John, you were the one saying that OBSERVATIONS confirm that the age of the
>> universe is trillions of years if not older.
>> Now if you say that the evidence is unseen, but it’s still true anyway, "
>> 
>> No.
>> I didn't say that.
>> You need to learn to read.
>> 
>
>Here's the content of your post. You did not attribute the words to 
>anyone else.
>=================
>"Starmaker
>
>What is the age of the universe? According to observation..it goes into 
>the trillions or more"
>
>The Universe is Eternal.
>==================
>
>So John, what observations are you referring to here?
>
>Or is your statement not based on any observations whatsoever?

Trillions of seconds?  Trillions of shakes of a sheep's tail?

(And yes, I know that a "shake" is an informal unit of measure of time,
and yes, the Universe is way more than a trillion shakes old.)

You know, they say a billion words ago the sailors disappeared, so maybe
that's what he's thinking.  (Thinking?)

-- 
Goat

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#680347

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> What is the age of the universe? According to observation..it goes into the trillions or more! Not stupid 14 billion years...
> 
> there is no such thing as an "unobservable universe"...
> 
> Are you going to stand around waiting for your cult leaders to say every hundred years..."The universe is older than we thought."?
> 
> That's soooo stupid.
> 
> What is the name of your current leader anyway since Stephen Hawking is dead????
> 
> Is it going to be chink or the nigger? (i hope it's not another fuckin british guy...)
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The First step is you need to get rid of all the "universe comes from Nothing" people, cause they got Nothing in their heads and they want you
> > to have nothing in your heads and follow their cult.
> >
> > The Next step is you need to take their 'puzzels' and re-arrange the puzzels yourself so the the pieces fit.
> >
> > (right now they have their puzzel pieces all wrong)
> >
> > You simply take one piece of the puzzel, the
> >
> > steady state universe
> > the
> > big bang
> > and the current universe...
> > in that order
> >
> > and the pieces all fit together.
> >
> > (No one has bothered to put the three pieces together) (i don't know why, probably too many cults in the 'scientific community')
> >
> > But there is only one universe...
> >
> > it just..simply transformed all the energy from the steady state universe to the universe you see today.
> >
> > The big bang in fact is the transformation process of energy.
> >
> > i know it all.
> >
> > I'm a fuckin jënyæs
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > shane.2471958@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a layman and I'm curious to understand how mass affects the expansion of space and whether the expansion of space is uniform everywhere in the universe.
> > > > >
> > > > > From looking at redshifts it seems we have determined that until 5 billion years ago the expansion was slowing down and since then it has been speeding up. Supposedly the average density of mass in the universe is affecting the expansion - is this just conjecture and the only theory we have or is there some solid evidence for thinking this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Wikipedia says "the scale of space itself changes" but that the model is valid only on large scales (galaxy clusters and above) and that the expansion cannot be observed on a smaller scale. wikipedia Is it possible that space between say, planet Earth and the Sun is actually expanding but is currently unobservable. If not, how far from our local group of galaxies do we have to look before we encounter some space that is actually expanding.
> > > > >
> > > > > I realise that we don't understand what dark energy is and I much prefer answers that say "we don't know" if we really don't know.
> > > >
> > > > Based on observation...
> > > >
> > > > mass affect the expansion of the universe, but not uniform because mass gets caught up in galaxies and solar systems.
> > > >
> > > > like punching your way out of a paper bag...
> > > >
> > > > Based on  my observation...this photo shows the history before the big bang.
> > > > http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Before the big bang occured, or the cause of the big bang..was
> > > >
> > > > the steady state universe existed before the big bang.
> > > >
> > > > Based on  my observation..
> > > >
> > > > during the steady state universe stars didn't die
> > > > and new stars were born
> > > > (galaxies didn't exist then either)
> > > >
> > > > It got to a point that there were to many stars
> > > > occupying what little space there was..
> > > >
> > > > to the point that stars got close to each other..
> > > > they began to meld...with each other..
> > > >
> > > > to a point of
> > > > forming mass.
> > > >
> > > > The steady state universe turn into one
> > > > giant boulder of hot stars and rock was formed
> > > > so that you got this giant hot bolder made from stars
> > > > that exploded and made more...space.
> > > >
> > > > During the explosion some rocks when this way and other rocks when that way.
> > > >
> > > > You can probably guess the rest...
> > >
> > > ...and for those of yous who haven't ...guess,
> > >
> > > The big bang was in fact...the end of eternity. (the end of steady state universe)
> > >
> > > So, you can easily gues the reason WHY the big bang occured...
> > >
> > > to make way for the end of eternity...
> > >


"The steady state universe turn into one
giant boulder of hot stars and rock was formed
so that you got this giant hot bolder made from stars
that exploded and made more...space."

In other words, simply...that which you call the big bang was the
formation and distribution of...rocks.

Since before the big bang the steady state universe was just...stars.


Then, rock was formed and exploded into what you see today.

In terms of equations...


E=Mc^2  

Earth equals Mass (rocks) light (stars)

or 
'In the beginning God created the  heavens....and the earth.'

"heavens" is the steady state universe, earth is the formation of rocks
(the ground you walk on)






....
but you're still a talking rock.

material that talks if you will...


If a fish could talk, he would complain about fish sticks at the
suppermakert...

and a talking cow would be picketting McDonalds.

and ants would say, watch what you're stepping on..



Your sciences or physics, whateveryoucallit, is in a ...disarray.

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