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  Where Do The Laws Come From? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-04 09:57 -0700
    Re: Where Do The Laws Come From? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-04 12:15 -0700
    Re: Where Do The Laws Come From? Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com> - 2018-04-05 18:51 +1000
      Re: Where Do The Laws Come From? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-05 14:12 +0200
        Re: Where Do The Laws Come From? Ovské Bezvýjimeènì <obe@cwkawns.na> - 2018-04-05 16:18 +0000
    Re: Where Do The Laws Come From? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-05 12:55 -0400
      Re: Where Do The Laws Come From? Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2018-04-07 05:05 -0700
    Re: Where Do The Laws Come From? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-07 10:36 -0700

#679917 — Where Do The Laws Come From?

Of course, you have your laws of physics for one thing or another...but,

you seem to avoid the question ...

Where Do The Laws Come From?

I understand the "we don't know" people...don't know
(which means since they don't know, you don't know, because you waiting for they to know so that you know, cause
you don't know how to know on your own.) (which means you weren't taught how to Think on your own)

But, but..avoiding the question... 'Where Do The Laws Come From?' 

has come to a point of...Times Up.


You can no longer avoid the question.

Either, you come up with the answer NOW! or ...GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!


TIMES UP!

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#679921

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 9:57:12 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Of course, you have your laws of physics for one thing or another...but,
> 
> you seem to avoid the question ...
> 
> Where Do The Laws Come From?
> 
> I understand the "we don't know" people...don't know
> (which means since they don't know, you don't know, because you waiting for they to know so that you know, cause
> you don't know how to know on your own.) (which means you weren't taught how to Think on your own)
> 
> But, but..avoiding the question... 'Where Do The Laws Come From?' 
> 
> has come to a point of...Times Up.
> 
> 
> You can no longer avoid the question.
> 
> Either, you come up with the answer NOW! or ...GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!
> 
> 
> TIMES UP!

The law Creator...

God creates gravity that programs its mathematical time.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#680006

On 5/04/2018 2:57 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Of course, you have your laws of physics for one thing or another...but,
> 
> you seem to avoid the question ...
> 
> Where Do The Laws Come From?
> 
> I understand the "we don't know" people...don't know
> (which means since they don't know, you don't know, because you waiting for they to know so that you know, cause
> you don't know how to know on your own.) (which means you weren't taught how to Think on your own)
> 
> But, but..avoiding the question... 'Where Do The Laws Come From?'


 From their mum's vagina?



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#680011

Whisper trolled (unquoted):

> On 5/04/2018 2:57 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Of course, you have your laws of physics for one thing or another...but,
>> 
>> you seem to avoid the question ...
>> 
>> Where Do The Laws Come From?
>> 
>> I understand the "we don't know" people...don't know
>> (which means since they don't know, you don't know, because you waiting
>> for they to know so that you know, cause you don't know how to know on
>> your own.) (which means you weren't taught how to Think on your own)

You are merely projecting your own ignorance.

>> But, but..avoiding the question... 'Where Do The Laws Come From?'

The laws of physics are formalizations of consistent observations in Nature 
(and therefore also called “laws of Nature”).

They allow us to describe with sufficient precision how Nature works, so 
that we can *predict* with sufficient precision how she *will* work, given 
initial conditions.

This allows us to understand better the world¹ that we are living in, thus 
our place in this world, and to design and construct machines (e.g. 
computers) to *use* the way that we understand that Nature works to 
*benefit* us.

    [One must not confuse laws *found* by scientists with laws *produced* by 
     lawmakers.  For example, the laws of Nature as found by scientists do
     not require a lawmaker, and there is no penalty for breaking them
     because they cannot be broken in the first place (only refined or
     found not to be a law of Nature at all [i.e., we had a
     misconception about an aspect of Nature]).]


F’up2 sci.physics

PointedEars
___________
¹  not just our planet, but our universe, or the (possible) multiverse
-- 
Q: What did the nuclear physicist post on the laboratory door
   when he went camping?  
A: 'Gone fission'.
(from: WolframAlpha)

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#680028

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> They allow us to describe with sufficient precision how Nature works, so
> that we can *predict* with sufficient precision how she *will* work,
> given initial conditions.

.., boundary conditions, governing equations, constraints, domains of 
applicability AND totally committed for the Relativity cause.

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#680030

On 4/4/2018 12:57 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Of course, you have your laws of physics for one thing or another...but,
> 
> you seem to avoid the question ...
> 
> Where Do The Laws Come From?
> 
> I understand the "we don't know" people...don't know
> (which means since they don't know, you don't know, because you waiting for they to know so that you know, cause
> you don't know how to know on your own.) (which means you weren't taught how to Think on your own)
> 
> But, but..avoiding the question... 'Where Do The Laws Come From?'
> 
> has come to a point of...Times Up.
> 
> 
> You can no longer avoid the question.
> 
> Either, you come up with the answer NOW! or ...GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!
> 
> 
> TIMES UP!
> 
Starfaker, this is something you can understand. Laws of physics come 
from the fantasies of men and women. They make them up. Well, not 
exactly correct, they make up "theories" which is their fantasies as to 
how reality "works". In science these theories are then compared against 
reality to see how well they describe it. And as mentioned here, the 
ability of a theory to correctly predict things that have not yet been 
measured is considered important. So in other words starfaker, theories 
are human bullshit just like all your fantasies.

So does that mean that a "creative" person like you can do science? 
Well, you certainly can invent theories. Lots of people here do that. 
But the part about checking with reality is more difficult. This means 
you must have some idea of what people have measured reality to mean. 
And here's where you fail.

But saying that, some people did not fail, so where do the "laws" of 
physics come from? Well, "laws" of physics (or science) are theories 
that have been tested so much and no exceptions to them found that they 
are called "laws" meaning that they are assumed to always be true. But 
they are really still just theories. For example Newton's laws have been 
extensively tested for centuries and verified in millions of situations. 
So people called them "laws". However, as it turns out careful 
measurements show that Newton's theories are wrong! At certain speeds 
they no longer hold showing they are just theories. But then we've 
called them "laws" for so long that we still call them "Newton's laws" 
just for historical reasons while everybody knows that they really 
aren't always correct.

In engineering there are many theories that are more or less correct 
over a limited range like say "Ohm's law" but they are not real laws. 
and the correct name for such is "rules". In truth Ohm's law (again 
called that for historical reasons) is really just Ohm's rule.

OK?

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#680174

benj wrote:
>
> Starfaker, this is something you can understand. Laws of physics come 
> from the fantasies of men and women. They make them up. 

Nah. They come from Schenectady. By mail order.


-- 
Dan Tilque

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#680200

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Of course, you have your laws of physics for one thing or another...but,
> 
> you seem to avoid the question ...
> 
> Where Do The Laws Come From?
> 
> I understand the "we don't know" people...don't know
> (which means since they don't know, you don't know, because you waiting for they to know so that you know, cause
> you don't know how to know on your own.) (which means you weren't taught how to Think on your own)
> 
> But, but..avoiding the question... 'Where Do The Laws Come From?'
> 
> has come to a point of...Times Up.
> 
> You can no longer avoid the question.
> 
> Either, you come up with the answer NOW! or ...GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!
> 
> TIMES UP!


i forgot to add..."the machine"


you know, the machine that runs everything.

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