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  'i don't know' The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 22:59 -0800
    Re: 'i don't know' Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-01-11 08:38 +0100
      Re: 'i don't know' djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2017-01-11 14:09 +0000
    Re: 'i don't know' Jørgen Farum Jensen <farumjensen@mailme.dk> - 2017-01-11 14:08 +0100
    Re: 'i don't know' SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2017-01-11 08:45 -0500
      Re: 'i don't know' Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 03:39 -0700
        Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 15:02 +0000
          Re: 'i don't know' Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-12 08:51 -0800
            Re: 'i don't know' Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-01-17 08:15 -0700
              Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-17 16:10 +0000
                Re: 'i don't know' Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-17 09:19 -0800
                  Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-17 21:04 +0000
                    Re: 'i don't know' Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-17 17:54 -0800
        Re: 'i don't know' The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-12 08:52 -0800
          Re: 'i don't know' SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2017-01-13 09:09 -0500
            Re: 'i don't know' Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-13 09:26 -0800
            Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-13 22:35 +0000
              Re: 'i don't know' Reid Schaffner <dnfoonio@acdnfni.info> - 2017-01-13 22:37 +0000
                Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-13 22:46 +0000
                  Re: 'i don't know' Reid Schaffner <dnfoonio@acdnfni.info> - 2017-01-13 23:08 +0000
              Re: 'i don't know' "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 17:42 -0500
                Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 15:13 +0000
                  Re: 'i don't know' "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 11:45 -0500
                    Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 20:58 +0000
                  Re: 'i don't know' Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-14 09:11 -0800
                    Re: 'i don't know' Reid Schaffner <dnfoonio@acdnfni.info> - 2017-01-14 17:22 +0000
                    Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 21:10 +0000
                  Re: 'i don't know' Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 22:34 +0000
                    Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-15 10:54 +0000
              Re: 'i don't know' Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 00:04 +0000
                Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 15:17 +0000
                  Re: 'i don't know' Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 22:26 +0000
                    Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-15 10:35 +0000
                      Re: 'i don't know' Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 10:43 +0000
                        Re: 'i don't know' Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-15 11:20 +0000
                          Re: 'i don't know' Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-15 11:27 +0000

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#612463 — 'i don't know'

Most scientist don't say...'i don't know', they usually come up with some sort of answer

Ask  atheist is there a God, they don't say 'i don't know'

ask a religious person is there a God, they don't say 'i don't know'


is there a difference between all three? i don't know. 

i don't see any difference...


except ..the atheist is fuckin lying! 


no offence intended...

just observation.

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#612472

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:59:24 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Most scientist don't say...'i don't know', they usually come up with some sort of answer
>
>Ask  atheist is there a God, they don't say 'i don't know'
>
>ask a religious person is there a God, they don't say 'i don't know'
>
>
>is there a difference between all three? i don't know. 
>
>i don't see any difference...
>
>
>except ..the atheist is fuckin lying! 
>
>
>no offence intended...
>
>just observation.


Everyone who drops his jaw saying "G A W D" 
is a liar, atheist or believer.


w.

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#612506

In article <i6ob7c966mjq1teb0fatoa7q7qt769i41t@4ax.com>,
Helmut Wabnig  <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:59:24 -0800, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Most scientist don't say...'i don't know', they usually come up with
>some sort of answer
>>
>>Ask  atheist is there a God, they don't say 'i don't know'

No, no, that's an agnostic.  My husband has a badge that he wears
to cons, reading "MILITANT AGNOSTIC: I DON'T KNOW AND YOU DON'T
EITHER."

The atheist says, "No, there isn't."
>>
>>ask a religious person is there a God, they don't say 'i don't know'

Ho, he says "Yes, there is," and if you persist, they'll start
telling you some of the things they believe about him.

[further silliness snipped]

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#612496

Den 11-01-2017 kl. 07:59 skrev The Starmaker:
> Most scientist don't say...'i don't know', they usually come up with some sort of answer
>
> Ask  atheist is there a God, they don't say 'i don't know'

Wrong. The atheist says NO.



-- 
Jørgen Farum Jensen
"Science has proof without any certainty.
Creationists have certainty without any proof."
   — Ashley Montagu

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#612499

Sorry...

NO : God, or Santa Clause or Tooth Fairy or etc. !

Get real; grow up !

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#612682

On 1/11/2017 6:45 AM, SteveGG wrote:
> Sorry...
>
> NO : God, or Santa Clause or Tooth Fairy or etc. !
>
> Get real; grow up !
>

I have no idea why atheists are getting more and more obsessed with 
preaching the Bad News and trying to convert religious believers these 
days. Even if it were possible to prove God/dess's _non_existence, I 
doubt it would be overly advisable.

A _lot_ of those people who still believe, also feel compulsions to do 
objectively-evil things; and only don't act on those because they fear 
earning eternal punishment. Take away the stick, especially while also 
taking away the carrot, and you'll create a Hobbesian world again.

TLDR: no, outlawing religion won't get rid of hatred toward the 
non-cishet and is unlikely to remove racism or sexism either. But if you 
somehow manage to do it, you'll get a situation where a lot of people 
who were acting morally but against their brain's drives (since, after 
all, most of you also say we have no independent mind), will instead 
turn into homicidal, thieving nihilists. And no, even if you believe 
we're all merely organic computers, it's not possible to fix the 
hardware in such a way as to run the software the way you want.

-- 
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

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#612690

Chrysi Cat wrote:
> SteveGG wrote:
> >
> > Sorry...
> >
> > NO : God, or Santa Clause or Tooth Fairy or etc. !
> >
> > Get real; grow up !
>
> I have no idea why atheists are getting more and more obsessed with
> preaching the Bad News and trying to convert religious believers
> these days.

Read some history. Then *think*.

The prevalence of religion has blighted the lives of thousands of
millions of people over the ages. And as if that's not enough, it
has motivated regimes of utterly brutal torture, mass murder and
even genocide.

> Even if it were possible to prove God/dess's _non_existence,

No Need. The theists claim that there is such a thing as a god,
Let them prove it.

> I doubt it would be overly advisable.

"Overly"? What are you on about? *Nothing* is "overly" advisable.

> A _lot_ of those people who still believe, also feel compulsions
> to do objectively-evil things;

Such as exterminating "infidels"?

> and only don't act on those because they fear earning eternal
> punishment.

Rubbish. Human beings internalise moral strictures both religious
and non-religious. It's in their upbringing, not theur belief
system.

> Take away the stick, especially while also taking away the
> carrot, and you'll create a Hobbesian world again.

What "again"?

----further irrational babble snipped----

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#612705

In article <slrno7f6kh.ekf.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>,
 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

> Read some history. Then *think*.

Yes, do.

> The prevalence of religion has blighted the lives of thousands of
> millions of people over the ages. And as if that's not enough, it
> has motivated regimes of utterly brutal torture, mass murder and
> even genocide.

Humans ran a couple experiments, one in the 19th century, a handful in 20th 
century, with a few still running. They set up a few countries that did their 
best to eradicate religion. It turns out they were regimes of utterly brutal 
torture, mass murder and even genocide.

Based on experimental evidence religion is irrelevant to how nice a government 
is.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.

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#613572

Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <slrno7f6kh.ekf.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>,
> Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:
>
>> Read some history. Then *think*.
>
>Yes, do.
>
>> The prevalence of religion has blighted the lives of thousands of
>> millions of people over the ages. And as if that's not enough, it
>> has motivated regimes of utterly brutal torture, mass murder and
>> even genocide.
>
>Humans ran a couple experiments, one in the 19th century, a handful in 20th 
>century, with a few still running. They set up a few countries that did their 
>best to eradicate religion. It turns out they were regimes of utterly brutal 
>torture, mass murder and even genocide.
>
>Based on experimental evidence religion is irrelevant to how nice a government 
>is.

The Nordic countries (Scandinavia and Iceland) are rapidly approaching
zero without torture and mass murder.

But then, you are claiming "irrelevant" rather than "contradicted", so
I guess I'm not arguing with you.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#613581

Greg Goss wrote:
> Siri Cruise wrote:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> >
> > > Read some history. Then *think*.
> >
> > Yes, do.

Instead of the cheap shot, you should try doing it. Your "history"
is worthless.

> > > The prevalence of religion has blighted the lives of thousands of
> > > millions of people over the ages. And as if that's not enough, it
> > > has motivated regimes of utterly brutal torture, mass murder and
> > > even genocide.
> >
> > Humans ran a couple experiments, one in the 19th century, a handful
> > in 20th century, with a few still running. They set up a few
> > countries that did their best to eradicate religion.

In no case was that the focus of the "experiment". OTOH, "experiment"s
set up during the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages *did* have a religious
focus, and were focused on, not its eradication, but its universal
enforcement.

> >                                                      It turns out
> > they were regimes of utterly brutal torture, mass murder and even
> > genocide.

Yair, Funny that. All of them. And the common factor was the effort at
universal enforcement of some ideology.

> > Based on experimental evidence religion is irrelevant to how nice
> > a government is.

False. Religion, specifically monotheist religion, was the sole
element of focus in the majority of those "experiment"s, and because
monotheism's institutionalised bigotry was the direct cause of the
"utterly brutal torture, mass murder and even genocide" that those
regimes engaged in, religion, specifically monotheist religion,
is very definitely relevant to how "nice" a government is.

> The Nordic countries (Scandinavia and Iceland) are rapidly approaching
> zero without torture and mass murder.

Check out how "nice" they were in the Middle Ages, when they were Catholic.

> But then, you are claiming "irrelevant" rather than "contradicted", so
> I guess I'm not arguing with you.

Christian apologists often "argue" with weasel words.

Ned

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#613586

In article <slrno7sgfu.91d.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>,
 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

> Greg Goss wrote:
> > Siri Cruise wrote:
> > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > >
> > > > Read some history. Then *think*.
> > >
> > > Yes, do.
> 
> Instead of the cheap shot, you should try doing it. Your "history"
> is worthless.

Because you don't like it.

> > > Humans ran a couple experiments, one in the 19th century, a handful
> > > in 20th century, with a few still running. They set up a few
> > > countries that did their best to eradicate religion.
> 
> In no case was that the focus of the "experiment". OTOH, "experiment"s

Actually it was. During the French Revolution that targetted the church to 
eradicate it. Stalin, Beria, etc congratulated themselves on eradicating the 
russian church. Eradicating religion was very much their focus.

> False. Religion, specifically monotheist religion, was the sole
> element of focus in the majority of those "experiment"s, and because

Your hate makes you stupid.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.

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#613641

The dishobest christian apologist that sometimes calls
itself Siri Cruise wrote:

----Surreptitiouslu snipped content restored----
----marked with asterisks----

> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Greg Goss wrote:
> > > Siri Cruise wrote:
> > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Read some history. Then *think*.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, do.
> >
> > Instead of the cheap shot, you should try doing it. Your "history"
> > is worthless.
>
> Because you don't like it.

You got it wrong way around, idiot. I dislike it because it's worthless.

> > > > Humans ran a couple experiments, one in the 19th century, a handful
> > > > in 20th century, with a few still running. They set up a few
> > > > countries that did their best to eradicate religion.
> >
> > In no case was that the focus of the "experiment".
>
> Actually it was. During the French Revolution that targetted the
> church to eradicate it.

Bullshit. Ir was just one element on their agenda.

> Stalin, Beria, etc congratulated themselves on eradicating the
> russian church. Eradicating religion was very much their focus.

Larf. Stalin was a closet believer. A failed Russian Orthodox priest.
He kept priests on stipend, you fuckin' igorant clown.

* > OTOH, "experiment"s set up during the Dark Ages and the Middle
* > Ages *did* have a religious focus, and were focused on, not its
* > eradication, but its universal enforcement.

So you couldn't face this bit, you lying loon? Tell us how religion's
irrelevant to how "nice" the Spanish government was when it was burning
people to death on the Church's orders.

Remember what the feminist said about the witchhunts? "Six generations
of European children were forced to watch their mothers burn".

You got any comment on that, you murder-mongering maggot?

> > False. Religion, specifically monotheist religion, was the sole
> > element of focus in the majority of those "experiment"s, and because
* > monotheism's institutionalised bigotry was the direct cause of the
* > "utterly brutal torture, mass murder and even genocide" that those
* > regimes engaged in, religion, specifically monotheist religion,
* > is very definitely relevant to how "nice" a government is.
>
> Your hate makes you stupid.

Wrong again. lunatic. My intelligence makes me hate the evil you
defend.

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#613722

In article <slrno7t1mb.i9q.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>,
 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

> Larf. Stalin was a closet believer. A failed Russian Orthodox priest.
> He kept priests on stipend, you fuckin' igorant clown.

'nough said.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.

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#612707

Chrysi Cat wrote:
> 
> On 1/11/2017 6:45 AM, SteveGG wrote:
> > Sorry...
> >
> > NO : God, or Santa Clause or Tooth Fairy or etc. !
> >
> > Get real; grow up !
> >
> 
> I have no idea why atheists are getting more and more obsessed with
> preaching the Bad News and trying to convert religious believers these
> days. Even if it were possible to prove God/dess's _non_existence, I
> doubt it would be overly advisable.
> 
> A _lot_ of those people who still believe, also feel compulsions to do
> objectively-evil things; and only don't act on those because they fear
> earning eternal punishment. Take away the stick, especially while also
> taking away the carrot, and you'll create a Hobbesian world again.
> 
> TLDR: no, outlawing religion won't get rid of hatred toward the
> non-cishet and is unlikely to remove racism or sexism either. But if you
> somehow manage to do it, you'll get a situation where a lot of people
> who were acting morally but against their brain's drives (since, after
> all, most of you also say we have no independent mind), will instead
> turn into homicidal, thieving nihilists. And no, even if you believe
> we're all merely organic computers, it's not possible to fix the
> hardware in such a way as to run the software the way you want.
> 
> --
> Chrysi Cat
> 1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
> Transgoddess, quick to anger
> Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!


It is not at all very complicated...

It Very Simple. God is Good, everthing else is Evil!


I'll give you an example..

you take a Murderer

he murders somebody..

he's in jail...


He's still a human person

He still has his Good side, and he has his Bad side.


Which side is the Murderer? 



Which side is the Atheist?? 



Atheist are Evil, plain and simple.


Sure, there are a lot of religous people who believe in God who do bad things...

but it is all in the name of Good.


When an Israeli soldier kills a Palestian baby, it's in the name of Good. 


might be a little hard for you to understand...

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#612905

There is no greater evil, than that perpetrated in the name of
religion !  e.g. Crusades, Islamic extremists, etc.

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#612922

In article <gjnh7chrdl9m8sm0k96bl31cto4rudt93h@4ax.com>,
 SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote:

> There is no greater evil, than that perpetrated in the name of
> religion !  e.g. Crusades, Islamic extremists, etc.

Don't forget the religion that created artificial famines to starve Ukrainians 
into submission.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
Free the Amos Yee one.
Yeah, too bad about your so-called life. Ha-ha.

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#612979

SteveGG wrote:
>
> There is no greater evil, than that perpetrated in the name of
> religion !  e.g. Crusades, Islamic extremists, etc.

Wrong. There is no greater evil than monotheist religion.

¤   Religion is delusion: by definition, insanity;
¤   Organised religion demands and inculcates mass delusion;
¤   Monotheism adds institutionalised bigotry to the mix.

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#612983

Ned Latham wrote:

> SteveGG wrote:
>>
>> There is no greater evil, than that perpetrated in the name of religion
>> !  e.g. Crusades, Islamic extremists, etc.
> 
> Wrong. There is no greater evil than monotheist religion. 
> ¤   Religion is delusion: by definition, insanity;
> ¤   Organised religion demands and inculcates mass delusion;
> ¤   Monotheism adds institutionalised bigotry to the mix.

Wrong, the Universe IS The Religion. Go outside and take a look.

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#612986

Reid Schaffner wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > SteveGG wrote:
> > >
> > > There is no greater evil, than that perpetrated in the name of religion
> > > !  e.g. Crusades, Islamic extremists, etc.
> > 
> > Wrong. There is no greater evil than monotheist religion. 
> > ¤   Religion is delusion: by definition, insanity;
> > ¤   Organised religion demands and inculcates mass delusion;
> > ¤   Monotheism adds institutionalised bigotry to the mix.
>
> Wrong,

Nope. This is about what evil is, not what is religion.

>        the Universe IS The Religion.

Wrong. Physics is the religion (here). Well, pseudo-physics.

>                                      Go outside and take a look.

Been there, done that. Anmimals and insects and weather ... WTF is
that about?

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#612989

Ned Latham wrote:

>>                                      Go outside and take a look.
> 
> Been there, done that. Anmimals and insects and weather ... WTF is that
> about?

Indeed, my friend. Nobody knows. That's why it MUST be The Religion. 
Others are calling it The Simulation, the Universe, the my Divergent 
Matter Model. I opt for the latter.

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