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Atheism is Witchcraft

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  Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-11 12:43 -0700
    Atheism is Witchcraft john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 14:02 -0700
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-09-11 16:16 -0600
    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Normal Human <NH@....> - 2016-09-12 08:01 +1000
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-11 15:24 -0700
        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-11 16:28 -0600
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 16:49 -0700
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-12 00:06 +0000
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 17:26 -0700
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Hot-Text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-16 18:57 -0500
              Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-16 22:06 -0600
                "Wisely Non-Theist" "Billy_Ray_Ferrell_USA-VP_2016" <billyrferrell@minpin.mshome.net> - 2016-09-17 00:32 -0500
    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 00:27 -0700
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 00:34 -0700
        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:07 -0700
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:21 -0700
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:42 -0700
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-14 10:21 -0700
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-14 14:37 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-14 12:06 -0700
    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 09:10 +1000
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-13 17:21 -0600
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:59 -0400
        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-14 03:15 +0200
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-13 20:33 -0500
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 22:09 -0400
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 20:55 -0700
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 20:47 +1000
        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-14 01:16 +0000
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 22:01 -0400
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-13 21:12 -0500
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 09:32 +1000
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-14 17:38 -0600
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:32 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-14 23:15 -0600
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-15 03:33 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:36 -0400
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 08:52 +0200
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 18:01 +1000
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 02:50 -0700
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 22:48 +0200
                        Re: Theism is Witchcraft Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-09-15 15:02 -0600
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 19:23 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-16 02:58 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-16 08:16 +0200
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-16 01:15 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-15 23:41 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-18 13:26 -0700
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-18 21:01 -0600
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 00:49 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-19 17:31 -0700
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 23:16 -0400
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-19 21:38 -0700
                                      Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-19 23:37 -0600
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-19 23:58 -0700
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 10:36 -0400
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 09:59 -0700
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 15:11 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 22:28 -0700
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 10:34 -0400
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 18:38 +0000
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 15:14 -0400
                                            Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-20 13:46 -0600
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 20:46 +0000
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-15 22:52 -0700
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 17:45 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-15 17:15 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 21:57 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 04:23 +0000
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:06 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 16:11 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 21:51 +0000
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 21:00 -0400
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-17 01:56 +0000
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 08:30 +0200
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-17 07:10 -0400
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 04:14 -0700
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 16:25 +0200
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 16:44 -0700
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-17 19:42 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 06:50 +0200
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 23:24 -0700
                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 20:14 +0200
                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 15:06 -0400
                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-30 06:33 +0200
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-29 23:27 -0700
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 02:59 -0400
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 11:48 -0700
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 10:10 -0700
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 10:42 -0700
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 02:54 -0400
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-30 02:06 -0500
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 11:17 -0700
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-30 14:07 -0500
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 23:11 -0400
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-01 08:52 +0200
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-01 05:00 -0400
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 07:39 +0200
                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 02:24 -0400
                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-10-02 11:53 +0000
                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 09:01 -0400
                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 18:02 +0200
                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-02 11:02 -0700
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 12:27 -0700
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-17 17:26 +0000
                                    Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-17 11:48 -0600
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-17 12:54 -0500
                                      Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-17 12:47 -0600
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 20:50 +0200
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-17 17:31 -0400
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 00:41 +0000
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 15:36 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 12:00 -0700
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-17 17:25 -0400
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 00:32 +0000
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 22:27 -0700
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-18 06:35 +0000
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-18 07:49 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-18 06:35 -0700
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 03:46 +0200
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 00:53 -0400
                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 08:15 +0200
                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 15:43 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-20 01:02 +0000
                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-20 08:21 +0200
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-20 20:04 +0000
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 13:09 -0700
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 00:50 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 20:44 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-16 17:49 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 21:51 +0000
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-16 02:49 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 03:47 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-16 05:57 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:12 -0400
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 16:22 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 19:00 +0200
    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-14 03:58 -0400

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#599121

FromAttila <<prochoice@here.now>
Date2016-10-02 09:01 -0400
Message-ID<9712vbp236lm90h0vjqfm71pqogi1h599k@4ax.com>
In reply to#599116
On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:53:27 GMT, Ned Latham
<nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> in alt.atheism with message-id
<slrnnv1t9n.oqe.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>----snip----
>
>> > The so called 'Hitler salute' was actually derived from the
>> > 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools, which was invented by
>> > the US socialists Francis and Edward Bellamy.
>>
>> Actually it goes back to Rome.
>
>So some say. But there's no evidence for ir; in fact, it looks
>a lot like an attempt to deflect sone of the ignominy from the
>USA.
>
>Ned

Does it really matter?  Just about everything is stolen from somewhere
else.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor OBastard.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#599125

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-10-02 18:02 +0200
Message-ID<e5cpdjFfgviU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#599121
Am 02.10.2016 15:01, schrieb Attila <:
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:53:27 GMT, Ned Latham
> <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>  in alt.atheism with message-id
> <slrnnv1t9n.oqe.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>  wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>> ----snip----
>>
>>>> The so called 'Hitler salute' was actually derived from the
>>>> 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools, which was invented by
>>>> the US socialists Francis and Edward Bellamy.
>>>
>>> Actually it goes back to Rome.
>>
>> So some say. But there's no evidence for ir; in fact, it looks
>> a lot like an attempt to deflect sone of the ignominy from the
>> USA.
>>
>> Ned
>
> Does it really matter?  Just about everything is stolen from somewhere
> else.
>

You won't believe, what the Nazis have actually stolen.

It was not everything, but almost.

Treasurer of the Nazis was Martin Borman.

Borman was brought to England by the 'real James Bond' John 
Ainsworth-Davis, under direction of Ian Fleming in 'Operation James Bond'.

(Actually the real 'James Bond' was author of a book about the birds of 
the Caribbeans.)

The Nazi salute seems to be an offspring of the salute of the boy scouts 
and the flag salute 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools.

http://rexcurry.net/scouting-calgaric-lithuanian-klaipeda08-17-1933.jpg

http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html


BTW: Baden-Powel was member of the so called 'Millner's Kindergarden' in 
the second Boer war, together with Churchill and Kitchener.

http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-mibhu8c/product_images/uploaded_images/boer-war.jpg?t=1415058780


for comparison the SA uniform:

http://www.janssen-militaria.com/oscommerce/popup_image.php?pID=5712&invis=1&osCsid=d2f1c437ef3c3c2a489d0b277fdd6daa



TH

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#599130

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-10-02 11:02 -0700
Message-ID<57F14BB8.6D61@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#599125
Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am 02.10.2016 15:01, schrieb Attila <:
> > On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:53:27 GMT, Ned Latham
> > <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>  in alt.atheism with message-id
> > <slrnnv1t9n.oqe.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>  wrote:
> >
> >> Attila wrote:
> >>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>
> >> ----snip----
> >>
> >>>> The so called 'Hitler salute' was actually derived from the
> >>>> 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools, which was invented by
> >>>> the US socialists Francis and Edward Bellamy.
> >>>
> >>> Actually it goes back to Rome.
> >>
> >> So some say. But there's no evidence for ir; in fact, it looks
> >> a lot like an attempt to deflect sone of the ignominy from the
> >> USA.
> >>
> >> Ned
> >
> > Does it really matter?  Just about everything is stolen from somewhere
> > else.
> >
> 
> You won't believe, what the Nazis have actually stolen.
> 
> It was not everything, but almost.

The Nazis did not steal..they simply learned from others.

Aldolph Hitler studied American History books and learned the methods
the US used to
kill the millions of American Indians.

How did the U.S. kill american indians? They surrounded the tee pees at
night and shot the indians while they were sleeping.
















> 
> Treasurer of the Nazis was Martin Borman.
> 
> Borman was brought to England by the 'real James Bond' John
> Ainsworth-Davis, under direction of Ian Fleming in 'Operation James Bond'.
> 
> (Actually the real 'James Bond' was author of a book about the birds of
> the Caribbeans.)
> 
> The Nazi salute seems to be an offspring of the salute of the boy scouts
> and the flag salute 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools.
> 
> http://rexcurry.net/scouting-calgaric-lithuanian-klaipeda08-17-1933.jpg
> 
> http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html
> 
> BTW: Baden-Powel was member of the so called 'Millner's Kindergarden' in
> the second Boer war, together with Churchill and Kitchener.
> 
> http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-mibhu8c/product_images/uploaded_images/boer-war.jpg?t=1415058780
> 
> for comparison the SA uniform:
> 
> http://www.janssen-militaria.com/oscommerce/popup_image.php?pID=5712&invis=1&osCsid=d2f1c437ef3c3c2a489d0b277fdd6daa
> 
> TH

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#597321

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-09-17 12:27 -0700
Message-ID<57DD9928.4520@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#597292
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> 
> In article <e44684FmjdcU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
> 
> > Am 17.09.2016 03:56, schrieb jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com:
> >
> > >> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of going
> > >> that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of doing what
> > >> they always do?
> > >
> > > I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely different
> > > things.
> > >
> > > Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
> > > predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
> > > responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
> > > supernatural beings.
> >
> > Darwin was an evil British idiot.
> 
> How was he "evil"?

He wrote a book to try explain away God. He blamed God for his daughter death.

He wanted to Kill God...

because he believed God killed his daughter.


You know how these mad scientist get...you get them angry and they want to blow up the earth.


The book, "On the origin of species" is a book on Witchcraft!


The word ""On the origin..." is another word of say...'God is not the origin."


These 'science guys' are always trying to explain away God.


First these science guys had said that the universe Always existed, so there was no need for a creation.

Then they changed their mind and said Yes, there was a creation, but it was created from nothing.

Always, always trying to explain away God.


Atheisism means..to explain away God.






-----
is Jeanne Douglas a Witch?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jeanne+Douglas&biw=1280&bih=871&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjM0sqjjpfPAhUP5mMKHZvNBh8Q_AUIBygA&dpr=1#q=jeanne+douglas+witchcraft

a good witch or a bad witch?? 

I didn't know there was a school for witches....


could be the wrong witch...

which witch?

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#597305

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-09-17 17:26 +0000
Message-ID<30b0bd-tua.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#597282
In sci.physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
> Am 17.09.2016 03:56, schrieb jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com:
> 
>>> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of going
>>> that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of doing what
>>> they always do?
>>
>> I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely different
>> things.
>>
>> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
>> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
>> responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
>> supernatural beings.
> 
> Darwin was an evil British idiot.
> 
> He is among the ancestors of Naziism and a line can be drawn from him 
> personally to various 'bad guys'.
> 
> But Darwin was extremely wrong in various aspects of his theory. For 
> instance he assumed competition as main principle of nature.
> 
> Only this is not true, since he completely ignored cooperation between a 
> variety of species.
> 
> He also miscalculated the age of the Earth by a factor of 10,000 and 
> that is extremely large.
> 
> But more questionable than scientific errors were his political goals, 
> since in the line of succession we find 'Eugenics'.
> 
> There it gets criminal, since the Eugenics movement was responsible for 
> real crimes, which they pretended to be justified by  the 'purification 
> of the races'.
> 
> 
> TH
 
And all that has just what to do with athesism?
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#597310 — Re: Theism is Witchcraft

FromWisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc>
Date2016-09-17 11:48 -0600
SubjectRe: Theism is Witchcraft
Message-ID<aaa-D1987F.11482317092016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#597305
No form of Atheism requires any form of magic or witchery! 
Every form of theism does!

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#597311

FromChristopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date2016-09-17 12:54 -0500
Message-ID<qtvqtbp9cqhagtv8umbbnlab0j3aq21g5f@4ax.com>
In reply to#597305
On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:26:59 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>In sci.physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>> Am 17.09.2016 03:56, schrieb jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com:
>> 
>>>> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of going
>>>> that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of doing what
>>>> they always do?
>>>
>>> I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely different
>>> things.
>>>
>>> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
>>> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
>>> responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
>>> supernatural beings.
>> 
>> Darwin was an evil British idiot.

Darwin was one of the giants of science, on a par with Newton and
Einstein. He wasn't just the father of a whole slew of biological
sciences, but was also a major contributor to the scientific method
itself with the use of confirmation of refutation of prediction.

>> He is among the ancestors of Naziism and a line can be drawn from him 
>> personally to various 'bad guys'.

What a fucking moron. a liar as well as an idiot.

>> But Darwin was extremely wrong in various aspects of his theory. For 
>> instance he assumed competition as main principle of nature.

No, moron. He _concluded_ natural selection - that which survives
passes on its descendents whatever caused it to survive, and that
which doesn't, doesn't. 

That's actually a bit of an exaggeration, because immediate survival
or death, is an edge condition - it's all about reproductive success
over many generations.

But it was one of those "Eureka" moments which it takes a genius to
see for the first time, even if it is obvious in retrospect although
nobody had realised it until then.

>> Only this is not true, since he completely ignored cooperation between a 
>> variety of species.

Bollocks.
 
>> He also miscalculated the age of the Earth by a factor of 10,000 and 
>> that is extremely large.

More bollocks.
 
>> But more questionable than scientific errors were his political goals, 
>> since in the line of succession we find 'Eugenics'.

Even more bollocks.

Natural selection is simply a label for what is observed, not an
ideology, not an instruction to psychopaths to kill people in order to
exterminate an entire race.
 
>> There it gets criminal, since the Eugenics movement was responsible for 
>> real crimes, which they pretended to be justified by  the 'purification 
>> of the races'.

Which only a deliberate liar associates with Darwin, because he didn't
say anything about the selective breeding of humans.
 
>> TH
> 
>And all that has just what to do with athesism?

Nothing at all.

Far too many theists try to attack atheists by lying about things that
are nothing to do with atheism.

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#597317 — Re: Theism is Witchcraft

FromWisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc>
Date2016-09-17 12:47 -0600
SubjectRe: Theism is Witchcraft
Message-ID<aaa-59E3AC.12472717092016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#597311
In article <qtvqtbp9cqhagtv8umbbnlab0j3aq21g5f@4ax.com>,
 Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:

> Far too many theists try to attack atheists by lying about things that
> are nothing to do with atheism.

True!

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#597318

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-09-17 20:50 +0200
Message-ID<e45hk6F2cl1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#597305
Am 17.09.2016 19:26, schrieb jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com:

>> Darwin was an evil British idiot.
>>
>> He is among the ancestors of Naziism and a line can be drawn from him
>> personally to various 'bad guys'.
>>
>> But Darwin was extremely wrong in various aspects of his theory. For
>> instance he assumed competition as main principle of nature.
>>
>> Only this is not true, since he completely ignored cooperation between a
>> variety of species.
>>
>> He also miscalculated the age of the Earth by a factor of 10,000 and
>> that is extremely large.
>>
>> But more questionable than scientific errors were his political goals,
>> since in the line of succession we find 'Eugenics'.
>>
>> There it gets criminal, since the Eugenics movement was responsible for
>> real crimes, which they pretended to be justified by  the 'purification
>> of the races'.

>
> And all that has just what to do with athesism?

Well, nothing, since I have not written about atheism.

This thread is now meandering between several groups and I reply to 
those parts, that show up in sci.physics.relativity.

I actually leave this alt.atheism group, since I usually do not alter 
the header in most cases.

This is because changed follow-ups would disrupt a discussion with 
people, who are regulars to other groups.

So I'm not an expert in atheism.

But if you like to know something about relativity, than feel free to ask.

I'm also a regular in alt.conspiracy and some of my ideas stem from there.

So if you want to know something about a conspiracy, then eventually I 
have an answer.


TH

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#597343

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-09-17 17:31 -0400
Message-ID<57ddb62c$0$62163$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#597305
On 9/17/2016 1:26 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>> Am 17.09.2016 03:56, schrieb jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com:
>>
>>>> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of going
>>>> that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of doing what
>>>> they always do?
>>>
>>> I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely different
>>> things.
>>>
>>> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
>>> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
>>> responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
>>> supernatural beings.
>>
>> Darwin was an evil British idiot.
>>
>> He is among the ancestors of Naziism and a line can be drawn from him
>> personally to various 'bad guys'.
>>
>> But Darwin was extremely wrong in various aspects of his theory. For
>> instance he assumed competition as main principle of nature.
>>
>> Only this is not true, since he completely ignored cooperation between a
>> variety of species.
>>
>> He also miscalculated the age of the Earth by a factor of 10,000 and
>> that is extremely large.
>>
>> But more questionable than scientific errors were his political goals,
>> since in the line of succession we find 'Eugenics'.
>>
>> There it gets criminal, since the Eugenics movement was responsible for
>> real crimes, which they pretended to be justified by  the 'purification
>> of the races'.
>>
>>
>> TH
>
> And all that has just what to do with athesism?
>
>
Atheists don't believe in supernatural beings. They believe in creation 
by evolootion. And since animals don't believe in morality, neither do 
atheists. To atheists killing people who get in your way means no more 
than it does to an animal who does likewise.

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#597369

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2016-09-18 00:41 +0000
Message-ID<mf41bd-6dd.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#597343
In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 9/17/2016 1:26 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>> Am 17.09.2016 03:56, schrieb jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com:
>>>
>>>>> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of going
>>>>> that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of doing what
>>>>> they always do?
>>>>
>>>> I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely different
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
>>>> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
>>>> responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
>>>> supernatural beings.
>>>
>>> Darwin was an evil British idiot.
>>>
>>> He is among the ancestors of Naziism and a line can be drawn from him
>>> personally to various 'bad guys'.
>>>
>>> But Darwin was extremely wrong in various aspects of his theory. For
>>> instance he assumed competition as main principle of nature.
>>>
>>> Only this is not true, since he completely ignored cooperation between a
>>> variety of species.
>>>
>>> He also miscalculated the age of the Earth by a factor of 10,000 and
>>> that is extremely large.
>>>
>>> But more questionable than scientific errors were his political goals,
>>> since in the line of succession we find 'Eugenics'.
>>>
>>> There it gets criminal, since the Eugenics movement was responsible for
>>> real crimes, which they pretended to be justified by  the 'purification
>>> of the races'.
>>>
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>> And all that has just what to do with athesism?
>>
>>
> Atheists don't believe in supernatural beings.

Correct so far.

> They believe in creation by evolootion.

1. There is no such word as "evolootion".
2. If you mean "evolution", evolution theory has nothing to do with
creation.

> And since animals don't believe in morality, neither do atheists.

Aburd and false logic; animals are incapable of believing in anything.

>  To atheists killing people who get in your way means no more 
> than it does to an animal who does likewise.

Atheism says nothing about morality.

Why do the devout allways feel it necessary to make up wild, silly shit
about atheists?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#597409

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-09-18 15:36 +0000
Message-ID<nrmca9$12gk$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#597369
On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 00:41:58 +0000, jimp wrote:

> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 9/17/2016 1:26 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> In sci.physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>> Am 17.09.2016 03:56, schrieb jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com:
>>>>
>>>>>> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of
>>>>>> going that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of
>>>>>> doing what they always do?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely
>>>>> different things.
>>>>>
>>>>> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
>>>>> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a
>>>>> god responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there
>>>>> are no supernatural beings.
>>>>
>>>> Darwin was an evil British idiot.
>>>>
>>>> He is among the ancestors of Naziism and a line can be drawn from him
>>>> personally to various 'bad guys'.
>>>>
>>>> But Darwin was extremely wrong in various aspects of his theory. For
>>>> instance he assumed competition as main principle of nature.
>>>>
>>>> Only this is not true, since he completely ignored cooperation
>>>> between a variety of species.
>>>>
>>>> He also miscalculated the age of the Earth by a factor of 10,000 and
>>>> that is extremely large.
>>>>
>>>> But more questionable than scientific errors were his political
>>>> goals, since in the line of succession we find 'Eugenics'.
>>>>
>>>> There it gets criminal, since the Eugenics movement was responsible
>>>> for real crimes, which they pretended to be justified by  the
>>>> 'purification of the races'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TH
>>>
>>> And all that has just what to do with athesism?
>>>
>>>
>> Atheists don't believe in supernatural beings.
> 
> Correct so far.
> 
>> They believe in creation by evolootion.
> 
> 1. There is no such word as "evolootion".
> 2. If you mean "evolution", evolution theory has nothing to do with
> creation.
> 
>> And since animals don't believe in morality, neither do atheists.
> 
> Aburd and false logic; animals are incapable of believing in anything.
> 
>>  To atheists killing people who get in your way means no more
>> than it does to an animal who does likewise.
> 
> Atheism says nothing about morality.
> 
> Why do the devout allways feel it necessary to make up wild, silly shit
> about atheists?

Without their strawmen, they'd have nothing to argue against.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#597319

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-09-17 12:00 -0700
Message-ID<57DD92BF.88B@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#597282
Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am 17.09.2016 03:56, schrieb jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com:
> 
> >> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of going
> >> that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of doing what
> >> they always do?
> >
> > I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely different
> > things.
> >
> > Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
> > predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
> > responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
> > supernatural beings.
> 
> Darwin was an evil British idiot.
> 
> He is among the ancestors of Naziism and a line can be drawn from him
> personally to various 'bad guys'.
> 
> But Darwin was extremely wrong in various aspects of his theory. For
> instance he assumed competition as main principle of nature.
> 
> Only this is not true, since he completely ignored cooperation between a
> variety of species.
> 
> He also miscalculated the age of the Earth by a factor of 10,000 and
> that is extremely large.
> 
> But more questionable than scientific errors were his political goals,
> since in the line of succession we find 'Eugenics'.
> 
> There it gets criminal, since the Eugenics movement was responsible for
> real crimes, which they pretended to be justified by  the 'purification
> of the races'.
> 
> TH


Darwin used to be a devoted Christian...until his daughter died, then he
got mad at God and wrote his book.

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#597338

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2016-09-17 17:25 -0400
Message-ID<57ddb4dc$0$62163$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#597270
On 9/16/2016 9:56 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 9/16/2016 5:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> In sci.physics Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:06:40 -0400, benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/16/2016 12:23 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Atheists believe in lies. It's an essential part of evolootion and
>>>>>>> "natural selection". Animals use fake behavior all the time to fool
>>>>>>> predators. And thus, lies are equally valid for man as you well know and
>>>>>>> practice all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kook babble; case in point "evolootion".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Atheism has nothing to do with "evolootion" (sic), natural selection,
>>>>>> animals, predators or lies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You heard it here first, folks. PreacherMan Chimp says that athesism has
>>>>> nothing to do with evolootion! (He's probably a practicing atheist too)
>>>>> Gosh, what does he believe? Does he believe Un-God created the universe?
>>>>> This is how confused and senile he is. He needs to take Imperial
>>>>> Thinking lessons from Herb.
>>>>
>>>> Get an education and grow  up.
>>>
>>> It seems it is more like he is regressing into childhood.
>>>
>> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of going
>> that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of doing what
>> they always do?
>
> I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely different
> things.
>
> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
> responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
> supernatural beings.
>
> That's it and all there is to it; no supernatural beings.
>
Then what created the universe? Watch chimp chase his own tail.

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#597366

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-09-18 00:32 +0000
Message-ID<nrknbd$p8l$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#597338
On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:25:34 -0400, benj wrote:

> On 9/16/2016 9:56 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 9/16/2016 5:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> In sci.physics Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:06:40 -0400, benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/16/2016 12:23 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Atheists believe in lies. It's an essential part of evolootion
>>>>>>>> and "natural selection". Animals use fake behavior all the time
>>>>>>>> to fool predators. And thus, lies are equally valid for man as
>>>>>>>> you well know and practice all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kook babble; case in point "evolootion".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Atheism has nothing to do with "evolootion" (sic), natural
>>>>>>> selection,
>>>>>>> animals, predators or lies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You heard it here first, folks. PreacherMan Chimp says that
>>>>>> athesism has nothing to do with evolootion! (He's probably a
>>>>>> practicing atheist too) Gosh, what does he believe? Does he believe
>>>>>> Un-God created the universe?
>>>>>> This is how confused and senile he is. He needs to take Imperial
>>>>>> Thinking lessons from Herb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get an education and grow  up.
>>>>
>>>> It seems it is more like he is regressing into childhood.
>>>>
>>> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of
>>> going that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of
>>> doing what they always do?
>>
>> I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely
>> different things.
>>
>> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
>> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
>> responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
>> supernatural beings.
>>
>> That's it and all there is to it; no supernatural beings.
>>
> Then what created the universe? Watch chimp chase his own tail.

First prove that it was created.
Like your supposed god, it could have been here forever.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#597390

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-09-17 22:27 -0700
Message-ID<57DE25DF.2FBB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#597366
Smiler wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:25:34 -0400, benj wrote:
> 
> > On 9/16/2016 9:56 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> >>> On 9/16/2016 5:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >>>> In sci.physics Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:06:40 -0400, benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 9/16/2016 12:23 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Atheists believe in lies. It's an essential part of evolootion
> >>>>>>>> and "natural selection". Animals use fake behavior all the time
> >>>>>>>> to fool predators. And thus, lies are equally valid for man as
> >>>>>>>> you well know and practice all the time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Kook babble; case in point "evolootion".
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Atheism has nothing to do with "evolootion" (sic), natural
> >>>>>>> selection,
> >>>>>>> animals, predators or lies.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> You heard it here first, folks. PreacherMan Chimp says that
> >>>>>> athesism has nothing to do with evolootion! (He's probably a
> >>>>>> practicing atheist too) Gosh, what does he believe? Does he believe
> >>>>>> Un-God created the universe?
> >>>>>> This is how confused and senile he is. He needs to take Imperial
> >>>>>> Thinking lessons from Herb.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Get an education and grow  up.
> >>>>
> >>>> It seems it is more like he is regressing into childhood.
> >>>>
> >>> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of
> >>> going that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of
> >>> doing what they always do?
> >>
> >> I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely
> >> different things.
> >>
> >> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
> >> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
> >> responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
> >> supernatural beings.
> >>
> >> That's it and all there is to it; no supernatural beings.
> >>
> > Then what created the universe? Watch chimp chase his own tail.
> 
> First prove that it was created.
> Like your supposed god, it could have been here forever.


if it was here forever our sun would have burned up by now.

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#597395

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2016-09-18 06:35 +0000
Message-ID<slrnntsde3.iqu.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#597390
The Starmaker wrote:
> Smiler wrote:
> > benj wrote:

----snip----

> > > Then what created the universe? Watch chimp chase his own tail.
> >
> > First prove that it was created.
> > Like your supposed god, it could have been here forever.
>
> if it was here forever our sun would have burned up by now.

Nope. The creation and destruction of objects *in* the universe
is an ongoing (natural) process. We can see it happening.

If you think about what you said: "our sun would have burned
up by now", you'll see that you're giving us an example of
that destruction. Examples of the creation of objects are
the nebulae we can see: interstellar hydrogen is coalescing
under the force of gravity into ever smaller and denser
formations, which eventually become stars.

Ned

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#597402

FromChristopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date2016-09-18 07:49 -0500
Message-ID<8a3ttbtp2v2pil9mgdum6rqm36lqgqh1dp@4ax.com>
In reply to#597390
On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:27:59 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Smiler wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:25:34 -0400, benj wrote:
>> 
>> > On 9/16/2016 9:56 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> >>> On 9/16/2016 5:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >>>> In sci.physics Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:06:40 -0400, benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 9/16/2016 12:23 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> <snip>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Atheists believe in lies. It's an essential part of evolootion
>> >>>>>>>> and "natural selection". Animals use fake behavior all the time
>> >>>>>>>> to fool predators. And thus, lies are equally valid for man as
>> >>>>>>>> you well know and practice all the time.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Kook babble; case in point "evolootion".
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Atheism has nothing to do with "evolootion" (sic), natural
>> >>>>>>> selection,
>> >>>>>>> animals, predators or lies.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You heard it here first, folks. PreacherMan Chimp says that
>> >>>>>> athesism has nothing to do with evolootion! (He's probably a
>> >>>>>> practicing atheist too) Gosh, what does he believe? Does he believe
>> >>>>>> Un-God created the universe?
>> >>>>>> This is how confused and senile he is. He needs to take Imperial
>> >>>>>> Thinking lessons from Herb.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Get an education and grow  up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It seems it is more like he is regressing into childhood.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of
>> >>> going that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of
>> >>> doing what they always do?
>> >>
>> >> I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely
>> >> different things.
>> >>
>> >> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
>> >> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
>> >> responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
>> >> supernatural beings.
>> >>
>> >> That's it and all there is to it; no supernatural beings.
>> >>
>> > Then what created the universe? Watch chimp chase his own tail.
>> 
>> First prove that it was created.
>> Like your supposed god, it could have been here forever.
>
>
>if it was here forever our sun would have burned up by now.

Idiot.

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#597407

FromJeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com>
Date2016-09-18 06:35 -0700
Message-ID<hlwdjsd2-7041EC.06350618092016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#597402
In article <8a3ttbtp2v2pil9mgdum6rqm36lqgqh1dp@4ax.com>,
 Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 22:27:59 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >Smiler wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:25:34 -0400, benj wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On 9/16/2016 9:56 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> >> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> >> >>> On 9/16/2016 5:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> >>>> In sci.physics Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:06:40 -0400, benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 9/16/2016 12:23 AM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> In sci.physics benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> <snip>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Atheists believe in lies. It's an essential part of evolootion
> >> >>>>>>>> and "natural selection". Animals use fake behavior all the time
> >> >>>>>>>> to fool predators. And thus, lies are equally valid for man as
> >> >>>>>>>> you well know and practice all the time.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Kook babble; case in point "evolootion".
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Atheism has nothing to do with "evolootion" (sic), natural
> >> >>>>>>> selection,
> >> >>>>>>> animals, predators or lies.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> You heard it here first, folks. PreacherMan Chimp says that
> >> >>>>>> athesism has nothing to do with evolootion! (He's probably a
> >> >>>>>> practicing atheist too) Gosh, what does he believe? Does he believe
> >> >>>>>> Un-God created the universe?
> >> >>>>>> This is how confused and senile he is. He needs to take Imperial
> >> >>>>>> Thinking lessons from Herb.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Get an education and grow  up.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> It seems it is more like he is regressing into childhood.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Look folks, it's Chimp in attack mode just after he accused me of
> >> >>> going that way. Why is it that kooks always accuse everyone else of
> >> >>> doing what they always do?
> >> >>
> >> >> I am not the one confusing athesism with four or five entirely
> >> >> different things.
> >> >>
> >> >> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
> >> >> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
> >> >> responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
> >> >> supernatural beings.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's it and all there is to it; no supernatural beings.
> >> >>
> >> > Then what created the universe? Watch chimp chase his own tail.
> >> 
> >> First prove that it was created.
> >> Like your supposed god, it could have been here forever.
> >
> >
> >if it was here forever our sun would have burned up by now.

Who said the solar system was as old as the universe?

Even you should be embarrassed by this one.


> Idiot.

-- 

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream 
up a God superior to themselves. Most 
Gods have the manners and morals of a 
spoiled child.

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#597489

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-09-19 03:46 +0200
Message-ID<e48uauFrdhhU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#597407
Am 18.09.2016 15:35, schrieb Jeanne Douglas:

>>>>>> Atheism says nothing about evolution, natural selection, animals,
>>>>>> predators, creation of the universe or lies other than it wasn't a god
>>>>>> responsible as the one and only tenet of athesism is that there are no
>>>>>> supernatural beings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's it and all there is to it; no supernatural beings.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Then what created the universe? Watch chimp chase his own tail.
>>>>
>>>> First prove that it was created.
>>>> Like your supposed god, it could have been here forever.
>>>
>>>
>>> if it was here forever our sun would have burned up by now.
>
> Who said the solar system was as old as the universe?
>
> Even you should be embarrassed by this one.
>

The Universe is assumed to be roughly 13.6 billion years old and the 
suns age is about 5 billion years (if I recall that correct).

But even 13.6 billion years is only the age of OUR universe and this is 
what we can see from our position here on Earth.

I assume, that 'the universe' is only a subset from something larger.

E.g. we could assume a timeline, which points into the opposite 
direction, where our future is there the past.

This would also create a universe, but we could not see it. Also someone 
from there could not see us.

Another possibility is a 'universe around the corner'. This would be a 
universe, which belongs to an axis of time, that had an angle towards 
our axis of time.

This would also be invisible.

We could now assume, that the axis of time would move like a gigantic 
hand of a gigantic clock.

And once this hand passes the event horizon, there pops an new universe 
out of nowhere, in a big bang.

And now we could also assume, these universes exist at the same time and 
kind of fold back into itself.

 From the whole picture we experience only our own part, where time runs 
into one single direction and we see only one universe (ours).

And we are in the centre of it.

But if you travel to the 'edge', you are also in the centre, but of yet 
a different universe.

TH


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