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  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-28 23:27 -0700
    Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-29 18:48 -0700
    Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 09:57 -0700

#581394 — Re: How to be a "real" scientist.

JanPB wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 1:03:31 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > JanPB wrote:
> > >
> > > On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 11:26:41 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It is legal to criticise whatever you like in physics (or any other
> > > > science).
> > > >
> > > > But your critique will not get very far. Especially inside such
> > > > locked-in communities  critique will not be heard, since the insiders
> > > > have no interest in listening to challenging statements from outside.
> > >
> > > No. It doesn't work that way. The reality is that _in fact_ there are no "challenging statements"
> > > in physics (or mathematics) "from the outside" to speak of(*). Physics and mathematics have
> > > evolved to the point where a significant amount of time and honest work is required to even
> > > understand the subject fully, let alone contribute to it.
> > >
> > > So the people "inside" can tell right away that such "challenges" are worthless but the
> > > "challengers" cannot understand why. Instead, they claim some weird "conspiracies" and
> > > vent on the Internet.
> > >
> > > (*) except philosophical
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jan
> >
> > That is complete garbage!
> >
> >
> > Real physics comes from...'understanding' without the mathematics.
> 
> Without understanding the mathematics you have no understanding of physics.
> 
> --
> Jan


I understand...
'this thing of yours'..
this invention yous
call...Math,

is just another
language yous
invented.

But, you're under
an illusion that it's real.

You are sooo close
to the math trees, that
you have to climb
mountains and bigger
moutains in order to
see the math forest.

You're in a mandelbrot.
http://guciek.github.io/web_mandelbrot.html

The more you click
the deeper you fall in
the more complicated it
gets...you become,
infected.

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#581613

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> JanPB wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 1:03:31 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > JanPB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 11:26:41 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It is legal to criticise whatever you like in physics (or any other
> > > > > science).
> > > > >
> > > > > But your critique will not get very far. Especially inside such
> > > > > locked-in communities  critique will not be heard, since the insiders
> > > > > have no interest in listening to challenging statements from outside.
> > > >
> > > > No. It doesn't work that way. The reality is that _in fact_ there are no "challenging statements"
> > > > in physics (or mathematics) "from the outside" to speak of(*). Physics and mathematics have
> > > > evolved to the point where a significant amount of time and honest work is required to even
> > > > understand the subject fully, let alone contribute to it.
> > > >
> > > > So the people "inside" can tell right away that such "challenges" are worthless but the
> > > > "challengers" cannot understand why. Instead, they claim some weird "conspiracies" and
> > > > vent on the Internet.
> > > >
> > > > (*) except philosophical
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jan
> > >
> > > That is complete garbage!
> > >
> > >
> > > Real physics comes from...'understanding' without the mathematics.
> >
> > Without understanding the mathematics you have no understanding of physics.
> >
> > --
> > Jan
> 
> I understand...
> 'this thing of yours'..
> this invention yous
> call...Math,
> 
> is just another
> language yous
> invented.
> 
> But, you're under
> an illusion that it's real.
> 
> You are sooo close
> to the math trees, that
> you have to climb
> mountains and bigger
> moutains in order to
> see the math forest.
> 
> You're in a mandelbrot.
> http://guciek.github.io/web_mandelbrot.html
> 
> The more you click
> the deeper you fall in
> the more complicated it
> gets...you become,
> infected.



yous math people have created...too many trees.


Those trees need to be ...cut down.

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#582348

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 11:27:25 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> > 
> > On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 1:03:31 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > JanPB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 11:26:41 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It is legal to criticise whatever you like in physics (or any other
> > > > > science).
> > > > >
> > > > > But your critique will not get very far. Especially inside such
> > > > > locked-in communities  critique will not be heard, since the insiders
> > > > > have no interest in listening to challenging statements from outside.
> > > >
> > > > No. It doesn't work that way. The reality is that _in fact_ there are no "challenging statements"
> > > > in physics (or mathematics) "from the outside" to speak of(*). Physics and mathematics have
> > > > evolved to the point where a significant amount of time and honest work is required to even
> > > > understand the subject fully, let alone contribute to it.
> > > >
> > > > So the people "inside" can tell right away that such "challenges" are worthless but the
> > > > "challengers" cannot understand why. Instead, they claim some weird "conspiracies" and
> > > > vent on the Internet.
> > > >
> > > > (*) except philosophical
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jan
> > >
> > > That is complete garbage!
> > >
> > >
> > > Real physics comes from...'understanding' without the mathematics.
> > 
> > Without understanding the mathematics you have no understanding of physics.
> > 
> > --
> > Jan
> 
> 
> I understand...
> 'this thing of yours'..
> this invention yous
> call...Math,
> 
> is just another
> language yous
> invented.
> 
> But, you're under
> an illusion that it's real.
> 
> You are sooo close
> to the math trees, that
> you have to climb
> mountains and bigger
> moutains in order to
> see the math forest.
> 
> You're in a mandelbrot.
> http://guciek.github.io/web_mandelbrot.html
> 
> The more you click
> the deeper you fall in
> the more complicated it
> gets...you become,
> infected.

To think big and tiny.To think in every direction.Never to argue against logic.To get to the bottom line.Never fudge. Do not let low wits cloud your thinking.  TreBert

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