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  Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 14:52 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-19 16:57 -0500
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 15:38 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-19 17:44 -0500
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 19:20 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 14:39 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 23:56 -0700
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-22 12:09 -0700
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 15:58 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-20 19:31 +1000
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 11:48 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 12:27 +1000
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:10 -0400
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:26 -0700
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:44 -0400
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 23:11 -0700
                  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 23:47 -0700
                    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-22 11:57 -0700
                      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 22:55 -0700
                        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 23:29 -0700
                          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 11:58 -0700
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 15:17 +1000
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 22:56 -0700
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 02:00 -0400
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 20:52 +1000
                  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 11:23 -0400
                    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-23 13:25 +1000
                      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 01:14 -0400
                        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-23 15:32 +1000
                          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 02:19 -0400
                            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 03:43 -0700
                              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 04:11 -0700
                                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 04:25 -0700
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 15:52 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 22:35 -0700
                  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 23:36 -0700
                    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 11:53 -0700
                      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 14:49 -0700
                        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-27 00:07 -0700
                          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 00:54 -0700
                          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-28 11:08 -0700
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:28 -0700
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:45 -0400
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 23:18 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 11:46 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion platopes <mitchperkins7@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 19:58 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:31 -0700
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:47 -0400
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2016-04-20 14:00 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 22:11 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 00:27 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 02:13 -0700

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#573492

Gary Harnagel wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 12:27:26 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow!  You didn't even look up the ROOT word of "etymological"?  You
> > > apparently were able to find it anyway because you said "etymological
> > > root" was redundant.  I could have just wrote "etymology" but sometimes
> > > redundancy is a good thing, like four atomic clocks in each GPS space
> > > vehicle.
> >
> >
> >
> > Since when is "redundancy" useful????
> 
> So what is it about FAILURE mechanisms that you don't understand?  



I don't understand who was talking about..."FAILURE mechanisms"?



are you talking in your sleep? or is this another ...switcherooo??


Every one knows already you cannot be trusted...too much switcherooos.

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#572020

On 21/04/2016 2:10 PM, benj wrote:
> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> and that's that!
>>>>>
>>>>> any questions?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are you on?
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
>>>
>>
>> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
>> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
>>
>> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
> nevertheless the question is a valid one.
>
> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
> fixed and immutable.

Just because one doesn't see the entirety of something doesn't mean it's 
an illusion. At the moment, I can only see the front side of my monitor, 
and part of its supporting base. There's no illusion there either.

Sylvia.

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#572030

Sylvia Else wrote:
> 
> On 21/04/2016 2:10 PM, benj wrote:
> > On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and that's that!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> any questions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What are you on?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sylvia.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
> >>>
> >>
> >> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
> >> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
> >>
> >> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> >
> > It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
> > nevertheless the question is a valid one.
> >
> > Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
> > mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
> > and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
> > future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
> > is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
> > fixed and immutable.
> 
> Just because one doesn't see the entirety of something doesn't mean it's
> an illusion. At the moment, I can only see the front side of my monitor,
> and part of its supporting base. There's no illusion there either.
> 
> Sylvia.

If you don't see "the entirety"...it's not only an illusion you see,
it's also a lie you're seeing.

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#572031

On 04/21/2016 01:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 21/04/2016 2:10 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and that's that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any questions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What are you on?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
>>> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
>>>
>>> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
>> nevertheless the question is a valid one.
>>
>> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
>> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
>> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
>> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
>> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
>> fixed and immutable.
>
> Just because one doesn't see the entirety of something doesn't mean it's
> an illusion. At the moment, I can only see the front side of my monitor,
> and part of its supporting base. There's no illusion there either.
>
> Sylvia.

Are you sure the back side of your monitor doesn't disappear if you 
aren't looking at it?

If you watch a movie on your monitor you only see the "now" of what 
appears to you as the "present" in the story. But in fact the entire 
story that takes 2 hours for you to watch unfold is already in existence 
in a file on your disk. So in essence the "time" that exists while you 
"experience" the action is an illusion. It's all ONE time as Rolf or 
someone here pointed out some time ago. It's the difference between 
parallel and series.

Has nothing to do with the front or base of your monitor.

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#572061

On 21/04/2016 4:00 PM, benj wrote:
> On 04/21/2016 01:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 21/04/2016 2:10 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and that's that!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> any questions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are you on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
>>>> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
>>>>
>>>> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
>>> nevertheless the question is a valid one.
>>>
>>> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
>>> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
>>> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
>>> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
>>> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
>>> fixed and immutable.
>>
>> Just because one doesn't see the entirety of something doesn't mean it's
>> an illusion. At the moment, I can only see the front side of my monitor,
>> and part of its supporting base. There's no illusion there either.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Are you sure the back side of your monitor doesn't disappear if you
> aren't looking at it?

I use a model of reality in which the back of the monitor continues to 
exist. So far, the model hasn't let me down.

>
> If you watch a movie on your monitor you only see the "now" of what
> appears to you as the "present" in the story. But in fact the entire
> story that takes 2 hours for you to watch unfold is already in existence
> in a file on your disk. So in essence the "time" that exists while you
> "experience" the action is an illusion.

It's registered by a clock.

> It's all ONE time as Rolf or
> someone here pointed out some time ago. It's the difference between
> parallel and series.

I think you're redefining the word, which isn't helpful.

Sylvia.

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#572096

On 04/21/2016 06:52 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 21/04/2016 4:00 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 04/21/2016 01:17 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 21/04/2016 2:10 PM, benj wrote:
>>>> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and that's that!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> any questions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are you on?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
>>>>> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
>>>> nevertheless the question is a valid one.
>>>>
>>>> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
>>>> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
>>>> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
>>>> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
>>>> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
>>>> fixed and immutable.
>>>
>>> Just because one doesn't see the entirety of something doesn't mean it's
>>> an illusion. At the moment, I can only see the front side of my monitor,
>>> and part of its supporting base. There's no illusion there either.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> Are you sure the back side of your monitor doesn't disappear if you
>> aren't looking at it?
>
> I use a model of reality in which the back of the monitor continues to
> exist. So far, the model hasn't let me down.
>
>>
>> If you watch a movie on your monitor you only see the "now" of what
>> appears to you as the "present" in the story. But in fact the entire
>> story that takes 2 hours for you to watch unfold is already in existence
>> in a file on your disk. So in essence the "time" that exists while you
>> "experience" the action is an illusion.
>
> It's registered by a clock.

It's registered by how clocks appear to you. either the one on the wall 
or the one linked to the movie.

>> It's all ONE time as Rolf or
>> someone here pointed out some time ago. It's the difference between
>> parallel and series.
>
> I think you're redefining the word, which isn't helpful.
>
> Sylvia.

A key to science is imagination and analogs. Which word is the ONE I'm 
redefining? Series or Parallel?

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#572600

On 22/04/2016 1:23 AM, benj wrote:

> A key to science is imagination and analogs. Which word is the ONE I'm
> redefining? Series or Parallel?
>
>

Illusion.

Sylvia.

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#572609

On 04/22/2016 11:25 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 22/04/2016 1:23 AM, benj wrote:
>
>> A key to science is imagination and analogs. Which word is the ONE I'm
>> redefining? Series or Parallel?
>>
>>
>
> Illusion.
>
> Sylvia.

All sensory experience is an illusion, Sylvia.

We'll wait right here while you explain why that is.

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#572612

On 23/04/2016 3:14 PM, benj wrote:
> On 04/22/2016 11:25 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 22/04/2016 1:23 AM, benj wrote:
>>
>>> A key to science is imagination and analogs. Which word is the ONE I'm
>>> redefining? Series or Parallel?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Illusion.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> All sensory experience is an illusion, Sylvia.
>
> We'll wait right here while you explain why that is.

As I said, you're redefining the word. Doing so in a way that 
encompasses all sensory experience renders the word useless.

Sylvia.

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#572627

On 04/23/2016 01:32 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 23/04/2016 3:14 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 04/22/2016 11:25 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 22/04/2016 1:23 AM, benj wrote:
>>>
>>>> A key to science is imagination and analogs. Which word is the ONE I'm
>>>> redefining? Series or Parallel?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Illusion.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> All sensory experience is an illusion, Sylvia.
>>
>> We'll wait right here while you explain why that is.
>
> As I said, you're redefining the word. Doing so in a way that
> encompasses all sensory experience renders the word useless.

Since the word is now useless I guess this discussion is over.

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#572663

Yes, Starmaker,
all space is made from super-small particles.
And those particles, like our atoms which are
10^31 larger, are vibrating and subsequently 
radiating.

They, like OUR atoms, can give off various
radiations, depending on what's happening,
and when they undergo fusion with each
other, they give off a much smaller version
of our neutrino (10^31 times as small- i.e.
MUCH smaller).

These ultra-mundane neutrinos are produced
by every accelerating electron and absorbed
by every proton. The result is gravity and
inertia.

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#572664

But the OTHER radiations, like OUR emr,
are given off by Space constantly- not
just when it is being manufactured by electrons.

Hmmm.

Space- just next-level down Space- is
constantly being MANUFACTURED by
electrons.
The electrons are fusing the elements
of Space, which gives off 
permanent ultramundane Space particles
AND releases fusion radiations,
causing gravity and inertia in the
process.

So matter GROWS Space.

Hmm. Pretty close to epiphany.
What do the mathkooks think?

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#572668

john
But the OTHER radiations, like OUR emr, 
are given off by Space constantly- not 
just when it is being manufactured by electrons. 

Hmmm. 

Space- just next-level down Space- is 
constantly being MANUFACTURED by 
electrons. 
The electrons are fusing the elements 
of Space, which gives off 
permanent ultramundane Space particles 
AND releases fusion radiations, 
causing gravity and inertia in the 
process. 

So matter GROWS Space. 
--------------

Wrong on so many levels. But I'll just make this one point that destroys anything you have to say.

All time, space, matter and energy that will ever exist in the universe was present at the big bang. None is ever created. None is ever lost.

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#572960

Sylvia Else wrote:
> 
> On 21/04/2016 2:10 PM, benj wrote:
> > On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and that's that!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> any questions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What are you on?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sylvia.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
> >>>
> >>
> >> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
> >> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
> >>
> >> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> >
> > It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
> > nevertheless the question is a valid one.
> >
> > Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
> > mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
> > and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
> > future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
> > is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
> > fixed and immutable.
> 
> Just because one doesn't see the entirety of something doesn't mean it's
> an illusion. At the moment, I can only see the front side of my monitor,
> and part of its supporting base. There's no illusion there either.
> 
> Sylvia.


It's a blurred illusion.

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#573025

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >
> > On 21/04/2016 2:10 PM, benj wrote:
> > > On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> and that's that!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> any questions?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What are you on?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
> > >> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
> > >>
> > >> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
> > >>
> > >> Sylvia.
> > >
> > > It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
> > > nevertheless the question is a valid one.
> > >
> > > Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
> > > mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
> > > and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
> > > future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
> > > is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
> > > fixed and immutable.
> >
> > Just because one doesn't see the entirety of something doesn't mean it's
> > an illusion. At the moment, I can only see the front side of my monitor,
> > and part of its supporting base. There's no illusion there either.
> >
> > Sylvia.
> 
> It's a blurred illusion.

okay..

so Time is an illusion.

Time doesn't exist.

The past

doesn't exist.

The future

doesn't exist.

That leaves us

with the Present.

Does the Present exist..now?

Here and now?

Right here?

I'm here right now...

where are you at?

You're not Here..

you're over there!

If you say you're here..

i say, No..you're over there..

you're not here..i'm here.

What time is it Now?

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#573345

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >
> > > On 21/04/2016 2:10 PM, benj wrote:
> > > > On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > >> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> and that's that!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> any questions?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> What are you on?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sylvia.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
> > > >> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
> > > >>
> > > >> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sylvia.
> > > >
> > > > It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
> > > > nevertheless the question is a valid one.
> > > >
> > > > Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
> > > > mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
> > > > and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
> > > > future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
> > > > is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
> > > > fixed and immutable.
> > >
> > > Just because one doesn't see the entirety of something doesn't mean it's
> > > an illusion. At the moment, I can only see the front side of my monitor,
> > > and part of its supporting base. There's no illusion there either.
> > >
> > > Sylvia.
> >
> > It's a blurred illusion.
> 
> okay..
> 
> so Time is an illusion.
> 
> Time doesn't exist.
> 
> The past
> 
> doesn't exist.
> 
> The future
> 
> doesn't exist.
> 
> That leaves us
> 
> with the Present.
> 
> Does the Present exist..now?
> 
> Here and now?
> 
> Right here?
> 
> I'm here right now...
> 
> where are you at?
> 
> You're not Here..
> 
> you're over there!
> 
> If you say you're here..
> 
> i say, No..you're over there..
> 
> you're not here..i'm here.
> 
> What time is it Now?



The past doesn't exist
The future doesn't exist
The present doesn't exist.


The theory of relativity is not about Time
The theory of relativity is not about Space
The theory of relativity is about Gravity...

it's about the stuff that holds everything together.

time doesn't hold everything together and neither does space..cause
neither one exist.

So, if you put Gravity in a bottle
and you light a match to it...
what happens?

Does it turn red or does it turn blue??

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#573491

Gary Harnagel wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 12:35:14 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The theory of relativity is not about Time
> 
> False.  Special relativity IS about time:
> 
> http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8112.html


My mistake...i forgot, you need explanation because there are more than one theory of relativity, and you
have differculty figuring out which one it is. It's general one, not the special one.

If you do a google search (or in your case a world wide web search)
for the theory of relativity einstein
https://www.google.com/#q=the+theory+of+relativity+einstein

The first one that is on top is...The General Theory of Relativity.

The other one you brought up is called Special Relatvity, but that doesn't count because Time doesn't exist. And spacetime
doesn't exist. So, you need to diregard the first one and focus on the second one. The first one goes in the garbage.

So the question is...


If you put Gravity in a bottle
 and you light a match to it...
 what happens?
 
 Does it turn red or does it turn blue??






The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 21/04/2016 2:10 PM, benj wrote:
> > > > > On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > >> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> and that's that!
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> any questions?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> What are you on?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Sylvia.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
> > > > >> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sylvia.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
> > > > > nevertheless the question is a valid one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
> > > > > mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
> > > > > and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
> > > > > future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
> > > > > is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
> > > > > fixed and immutable.
> > > >
> > > > Just because one doesn't see the entirety of something doesn't mean it's
> > > > an illusion. At the moment, I can only see the front side of my monitor,
> > > > and part of its supporting base. There's no illusion there either.
> > > >
> > > > Sylvia.
> > >
> > > It's a blurred illusion.
> >
> > okay..
> >
> > so Time is an illusion.
> >
> > Time doesn't exist.
> >
> > The past
> >
> > doesn't exist.
> >
> > The future
> >
> > doesn't exist.
> >
> > That leaves us
> >
> > with the Present.
> >
> > Does the Present exist..now?
> >
> > Here and now?
> >
> > Right here?
> >
> > I'm here right now...
> >
> > where are you at?
> >
> > You're not Here..
> >
> > you're over there!
> >
> > If you say you're here..
> >
> > i say, No..you're over there..
> >
> > you're not here..i'm here.
> >
> > What time is it Now?
> 
> The past doesn't exist
> The future doesn't exist
> The present doesn't exist.
> 
> The theory of relativity is not about Time
> The theory of relativity is not about Space
> The theory of relativity is about Gravity...
> 
> it's about the stuff that holds everything together.
> 
> time doesn't hold everything together and neither does space..cause
> neither one exist.
> 
> So, if you put Gravity in a bottle
> and you light a match to it...
> what happens?
> 
> Does it turn red or does it turn blue??

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#573538

what you people don't understand is...

Einstein made a mistake when he came out with the first
theory of relativity..
he corrected it with the second theory of relativity.

The first one is based on Philosophy..

The second one is based on Physics.


Answer this question...Which theory of relativity is Albert Einstein's greatest work, the first one, or the second one?

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#573646

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> what you people don't understand is...
> 
> Einstein made a mistake when he came out with the first
> theory of relativity..
> he corrected it with the second theory of relativity.
> 
> The first one is based on Philosophy..
> 
> The second one is based on Physics.
> 
> Answer this question...Which theory of relativity is Albert Einstein's greatest work, the first one, or the second one?


tough question, eh?


How about
Which theory of relativity does einstein thoughts go with...the people (philosophy) one or the other one?

"twins paradox"

if a man falls freely, he does not feel his own weight.

“Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That's relativity.”.



Even Einstein himself would admit Time is an illusion...that would make his first theory...an illusion.


It's possible..that Einstein didn't learn physics until *after* his first theory. He first learn Kant...then learn Newton, right?

Kant is the first theory
Newton is the second theory.



if a man falls freely, he does not *feel* his own weight.


Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it *seems* like a minute.


This is Philosophy, not Physics.


When are you ever going to learn?


The Starmaker




seem
sem/
verb
3rd person present: seems

    give the impression or sensation of being something.



feel
fel/
verb
verb: feel; 3rd person present: feels; past tense: felt; past participle: felt; gerund or present participle: feeling

    
    experience (an emotion or sensation).

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#573647

Starmaker,
You are the one who is coming across as a philosopher, rather than a scientist.
You claim that time and space are illusions, and that only gravity is real. Fine. I'll except your hypothesis at face value. Your task now, then, is to formulate a discription of gravity, without any reeference to time and space, that is meaningful (allowing people to easily understand the concept in terms of their personal experiences) and useful (allowing people to apply the concept to achieve desired results). How does your concept of gravity manifest itself? How does it interact with perceived forces? What are the 'true' characterisitcs of its nature, in terms that we can actually apply to our perceived daily lives?
Once you have answered these qustions, carry out some experiments. If you are correct, what implications can you test for that will prove that time and space are an illusion (disprove that they exist), and that support your model that there is only gravity?
Time and space might be illusions, but they are meaningful concepts that we can understand, and they are useful concepts that we can manipulate.
Einstein's geneal theory of relativity was not only about gravity. It was about unifying the perceived force of gravity with the other perceived forces.
Think like a scientist, Starmaker. Do something useful with your hypothesis.

BTW: you are a liar. A blatant liar. You continuousy repeat the same thing over and over without introducing anything new. This is redundant. Not only do you do so bewteen posts, you repeat yourself virtually word for word within the same post, sometimes several times. This is even more redundant.
Okay, perhaps you are not a liar. It might just be that you are inobservant. That is worse for a scientist, IMHO.

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