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  GPS Off Course The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-01 12:21 -0800
    Re: GPS Off Course Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 14:30 -0500
    Re: GPS Off Course jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-01 22:15 +0000
    Re: GPS Off Course Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-01 20:37 -0500
      Re: GPS Off Course The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-01 19:26 -0800
        Re: GPS Off Course Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-01 21:33 -0500
          Re: GPS Off Course Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 13:38 +0000
            Re: GPS Off Course Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 13:45 +0000
    Re: GPS Off Course Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 12:07 +0000
    Re: GPS Off Course Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 08:49 -0500
      Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-02 08:10 -0700
        Re: GPS Off Course "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-02 23:22 +0200
          Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-02 16:20 -0700
            Re: GPS Off Course "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-03 13:37 +0200
              Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-03 10:25 -0700
                Re: GPS Off Course "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-04 19:39 +0200
                  Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-04 13:34 -0700
                    Re: GPS Off Course "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-05 09:41 +0200
                      Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-05 01:17 -0700
                        Re: GPS Off Course "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-05 20:00 +0200
                          ORI Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-05 13:12 -0700
                            Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-05 13:54 -0700
                            Re: ORI Re: GPS Off Course The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-05 17:07 -0700
                              Re: ORI Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-05 17:26 -0700
                        Re: GPS Off Course Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-07 04:40 +0200
                          Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-06 22:56 -0700
                            Re: GPS Off Course Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-07 22:54 +0200
                              Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-07 17:02 -0700
                                Re: GPS Off Course Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 05:36 +0200
                                  Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-08 01:26 -0700
                                  Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-08 22:16 -0700
                                  Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-08 22:18 -0700
                                    Re: GPS Off Course Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-04-09 08:17 +0200
                                      Re: GPS Off Course "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-09 00:24 -0700
    Re: GPS Off Course The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-02 13:36 -0800
      Re: GPS Off Course The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-02 13:38 -0800
        Re: GPS Off Course The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-02 21:46 -0800

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#568106 — ORI Re: GPS Off Course

"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> wrote:
> hanson wrote:
>> <relativity@paulba.no> "Paul B. Andersen" wrote:
>>>
>> hanson wrote:
>> now Paul, tell me, and shine with SR/GR
>> fundamentals. Millions of pages sing about the
>> grandeur of "Space time". But they all have different
>> interpretations of what it is and then formalize it
>> into, say:
>>>
>> ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 - c^2dt^2    ..... [1].
>>>
>> Some say ds^2 is "space-time", others say that
>> ds is "space-time", other still insist that ds^2 or
>> ds are "space-time intervals", while others are
>> adamant that "s" happens to be "space-time"
>> Which choir do you sing with, Paul?
>>>
>> Now, Paul stay calm & don't sing like a castrati.
>> Just tell me the MLT dimensions of "space-time"
>>>
>> Paul weaseled and sang:
>> Why should I try to remedy your confusion?
>> You can however see an application of the metric
>>>
>> hanson wrote:
>> Paul, I am NOT interested in an "application"
>> which is simply yet another interpretation.
>> Don't get yourself into that "me too" trap...
>>>
>> I wanna know that the MLT dimensions of
>> "space-time" are. Are you able to do that?
>>
Paul wrote:
> No.
> 
hanson wrote:
Awww.. that is a shame, Paul. I am sorry to hear
that. Maybe someone else will come and help you.
So let us wait, hope and see.

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#568112

"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> wrote:
> hanson wrote:
>> <relativity@paulba.no> "Paul B. Andersen" wrote:
>>>
>> hanson wrote:
>> now Paul, tell me, and shine with SR/GR
>> fundamentals. Millions of pages sing about the
>> grandeur of "Space time". But they all have different
>> interpretations of what it is and then formalize it
>> into, say:
>>>
>> ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 - c^2dt^2    ..... [1].
>>>
>> Some say ds^2 is "space-time", others say that
>> ds is "space-time", other still insist that ds^2 or
>> ds are "space-time intervals", while others are
>> adamant that "s" happens to be "space-time"
>> Which choir do you sing with, Paul?
>>>
>> Now, Paul stay calm & don't sing like a castrati.
>> Just tell me the MLT dimensions of "space-time"
>>>
>> Paul weaseled and sang:
>> Why should I try to remedy your confusion?
>> You can however see an application of the metric
>>>
>> hanson wrote:
>> Paul, I am NOT interested in an "application"
>> which is simply yet another interpretation.
>> Don't get yourself into that "me too" trap...
>>>
>> I wanna know that the MLT dimensions of
>> "space-time" are. Are you able to do that?
>>
Paul wrote:
> No.
> 
hanson wrote:
Awww.. that is a shame, Paul. I am sorry to hear
that. Maybe someone else will come and help you.
So let us wait, hope and see.

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#568150 — Re: ORI Re: GPS Off Course

hanson wrote:
> 
> "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> wrote:
> > hanson wrote:
> >> <relativity@paulba.no> "Paul B. Andersen" wrote:
> >>>
> >> hanson wrote:
> >> now Paul, tell me, and shine with SR/GR
> >> fundamentals. Millions of pages sing about the
> >> grandeur of "Space time". But they all have different
> >> interpretations of what it is and then formalize it
> >> into, say:
> >>>
> >> ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 - c^2dt^2    ..... [1].
> >>>
> >> Some say ds^2 is "space-time", others say that
> >> ds is "space-time", other still insist that ds^2 or
> >> ds are "space-time intervals", while others are
> >> adamant that "s" happens to be "space-time"
> >> Which choir do you sing with, Paul?
> >>>
> >> Now, Paul stay calm & don't sing like a castrati.
> >> Just tell me the MLT dimensions of "space-time"
> >>>
> >> Paul weaseled and sang:
> >> Why should I try to remedy your confusion?
> >> You can however see an application of the metric
> >>>
> >> hanson wrote:
> >> Paul, I am NOT interested in an "application"
> >> which is simply yet another interpretation.
> >> Don't get yourself into that "me too" trap...
> >>>
> >> I wanna know that the MLT dimensions of
> >> "space-time" are. Are you able to do that?
> >>
> Paul wrote:
> > No.
> >
> hanson wrote:
> Awww.. that is a shame, Paul. I am sorry to hear
> that. Maybe someone else will come and help you.
> So let us wait, hope and see.


there are only three dimensions..T time, is not a dimension, throw the T
out the window.

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#568156 — Re: ORI Re: GPS Off Course

"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> hanson wrote:
>> "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> wrote:
>> > hanson wrote:
>> >> <relativity@paulba.no> "Paul B. Andersen" wrote:
>> >>>
>> >> hanson wrote:
>> >> now Paul, tell me, and shine with SR/GR
>> >> fundamentals. Millions of pages sing about the
>> >> grandeur of "Space time". But they all have different
>> >> interpretations of what it is and then formalize it
>> >> into, say:
>> >>>
>> >> ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 - c^2dt^2    ..... [1].
>> >>>
>> >> Some say ds^2 is "space-time", others say that
>> >> ds is "space-time", other still insist that ds^2 or
>> >> ds are "space-time intervals", while others are
>> >> adamant that "s" happens to be "space-time"
>> >> Which choir do you sing with, Paul?
>> >>>
>> >> Now, Paul stay calm & don't sing like a castrati.
>> >> Just tell me the MLT dimensions of "space-time"
>> >>>
>> >> Paul weaseled and sang:
>> >> Why should I try to remedy your confusion?
>> >> You can however see an application of the metric
>> >>>
>> >> hanson wrote:
>> >> Paul, I am NOT interested in an "application"
>> >> which is simply yet another interpretation.
>> >> Don't get yourself into that "me too" trap...
>> >>>
>> >> I wanna know that the MLT dimensions of
>> >> "space-time" are. Are you able to do that?
>> >>
>> Paul wrote:
>> > No.
>> >
>> hanson wrote:
>> Awww.. that is a shame, Paul. I am sorry to hear
>> that. Maybe someone else will come and help you.
>> So let us wait, hope and see.
> 
Sternmacher wrote: 
> there are only three dimensions.T time, is not a 
> dimension, throw the T out the window.
>
hanson wrote:
AHAHAHAHA... Good one!.. that then would turn their
precious Space-Time back into being just plain
old-fashioned ordinary Space, of x*y*z. Right?
Paul who is our relativity man from Trondheim will 
take a dim view of that. ... ahahahahahahanson

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#568456

hanson wrote:

> ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 - c^2dt^2    ..... [1].
>
> Some say ds^2 is "space-time", others say that
> ds is "space-time", other still insist that ds^2 or
> ds are "space-time intervals", while others are
> adamant that "s" happens to be "space-time"

Who, according to your research, says either one, and where?

> Just tell me the MLT dimensions of "space-time"

There are no “MLT dimensions of space-time”.  You are confused as to the 
proper use of the term “dimension”, and you do not understand yet what 
“space-time” is.  You must realize that there are different definitions for 
the term “dimension” as there are different contexts in which it is used, if 
you are going to understand “space-time” in physics.

<http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dimension&dataset=> pp.

Relevant here:

On the one hand there are dimensions in mathematics, of geometric manifolds, 
which are degrees of freedom in the choice of coordinates in such a 
manifold. 

<http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dimension&dataset=&rawformassumption=%7B%22C%22,
+%22dimension%22%7D+-%3E+%7B%22MathWorld%22%7D>

On the other hand there are dimensions in physics, of physical quantities 
which can be described in terms of combinations of the quantities mass (M), 
length (L), and time (T).

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis>

It just happens that because mechanics is concerned with the motion of 
bodies, it is useful in physics to consider the mathematical concept of 3+1 
space(-)time, as a body always occupies a particular position in space at a 
particular time.  Whereas motion can be described as a change in three 
spatial coordinates and one temporal coordinate.

<http://www.britannica.com/topic/Albert-Einstein-on-Space-Time-1987141>

HTH


F'up2 sci.physics.relativity

PointedEars
-- 
Q: Who's on the case when the electricity goes out?  
A: Sherlock Ohms.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#568473

"<PointedEars@web.de> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn"
aka "Lame-brained-Lahn" in his Groessenwahn wrote:
>
hanson wrote:
>> ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 - c^2dt^2    ..... [1].
>>
>> Some say ds^2 is "space-time", others say that
>> ds is "space-time", other still insist that ds^2 or
>> ds are "space-time intervals", while others are
>> adamant that "s" happens to be "space-time"
>
Thomas Lahn" wrote:
> Who, according to your research, says either one, and where?
>
hanson wrote:
The 1-liner of yours above does show, off the bat,
that you don't know what you are talking about
and it's a primer for your lengthy sidestep tangos
which you indeed have done below. ... LOL.
>
hanson wrote:
>> Just tell me the MLT dimensions of "space-time"
>> as shown in [1]
>>
Thomas Lahn" wrote:
> There are no “MLT dimensions of space-time”.
>
hanson wrote:
So Space-time has no mass, no lenght, no area,
no space and no time. but you say it exists.
ROTFMAO!
>
What's wrong with you, lame -brained Lahn?
At least Trondheim Anderson was humble and clever
enough not to answer what dimensions [1] has.
>
In  [1] there is dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2  which are ranges
of x,y,z that are ORDINARY **Length** items and
x^2,y^2,z^2 are their respective AREAS; no ifs
no buts and no parroting of Lame-brained Lahn
will change that.
If "ds" does not stand for space-time, it must be
short for "stupid".. likem you & your EDs are.
>
"Thomas Lahn" wrote:
> <snip> You must realize that there are
> different definitions for the term “dimension”
>
hansoon wrote
So name some different definitions for length
& name some different definitions for an area.

"Thomas Lahn" wrote:
> there are different contexts in which it is used, if
> you are going to understand “space-time” in physics.
>
hanson wrote:
So, Lahn, show what those different contexts are
and why they do need to be different for the one
and same theory.
(It's those different contexts that are the cons
which are always used to make sure that experiment
fits the theory, no matter how wrong and contrived
they are... LOL)
>
Show what YOUR understanding of Space-time is,
given your Lame-brained Lahn tripe below which shows
that you fell victim to the Rel-con like every other Einstein
Dingleberry, like yourself, did in your Religious worship
of Albert's Sphincter.
>
Thomas Lahn" wrote:
> <http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dimension&dataset=> pp.
> Relevant here:
> On the one hand there are dimensions in mathematics, of geometric 
> manifolds,
> which are degrees of freedom in the choice of coordinates in such a
> manifold.
>
hanson wrote:
"On the one hand" that surely is a "Relevant" verse from a psalm
in the Book of Einstein Dingleberriers.. but to help you out of your
USELESS, twisted &Lame-brained Lahn spacetime obsession,
let me see if there is some shred that explains to rational
people what you mean by Space-time which according to you
does not even exist inn the real world:
>
Thomas Lahn lame brained attempts" wherein he wrote:
> <http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dimension&dataset=&rawformassumption=%7B%22C%22,
> +%22dimension%22%7D+-%3E+%7B%22MathWorld%22%7D>
>
> On the other hand there are dimensions in physics, of physical quantities
> which can be described in terms of combinations of the quantities mass 
> (M),
> length (L), and time (T).
>
hanson wrote:
On the other hand you just said again that Space-time does
NOT exist in the real world which makes it as USELESS to
real physics as was the depiction of reality by that other
Jewish  Schmuck, Einstein's crony, Pablo Picasso who gave
to the world of Fine Arts his twisted, bizarre and obscenely
grotesque reality in his paintings of they human face and form.
Both USELESS ....   So much for Albert's physics...
>
Thomas Lahn lame brained attempts" wherein he wrote:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis>
>
> It just happens that because mechanics is concerned with the motion of
> bodies, it is useful in physics to consider the mathematical concept of 
> 3+1
> space(-)time, as a body always occupies a particular position in space at 
> a
> particular time.  Whereas motion can be described as a change in three
> spatial coordinates and one temporal coordinate.
>
> <http://www.britannica.com/topic/Albert-Einstein-on-Space-Time-1987141>
>
hanson wrote:
So, tell why the motion of bodies _in_ space & -in_ time is
not sufficient but needs your artificial, bizarre and utterly
useless and imagined space-time which you yourself are
NOT able to explain?
None of the agencies of the world's space faring nations
do use SR or GR for determining the trajectories of their SVs
>
So, listen up Lahn, and point your ears:
(1) You are a sad case of Jew propaganda and you fell victim
to the most stupid shit that physics was ever "beschmiert"
with, in your space-timne. Pity.... but ROTFLMAO... ahahaha..
>
(2) There are many luminaries, including rational US Jews
who spoke out against it like:
>
||| Edward Teller, the inventor of the H-Bomb, who says:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwiayZ3sH7U >
||| "Einstein didn't know what he was talking about..."
||| "...or he was lying, or both".
>
||| Prof. Carver A. Mead of Caltech (a student of Feynman),
||| "It is my firm belief that the 20th century will be
|||characterized in history as the dark ages of physics."
>
||| or F.A Hayek, Nobel laureate, who said: "In the future,
||| Humanity will see in our Epoch an Era of superstition, all
||| associated with the names of Marx, Freud and Einstein"
>
||| or John Beckman, an astronomy professor & Einstein disciple:
||| "The theory of relativity lives on. Is it a true picture of reality?
||| That is probably more a matter of FAITH than of proof."
>
Thanks for the laughs, though, Lahn... ahahahahanson

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#568696

hanson wrote:

> […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn" [insult] wrote:
>> hanson wrote:
>>> ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 - c^2dt^2    ..... [1].
>>>
>>> Some say ds^2 is "space-time", others say that
>>> ds is "space-time", other still insist that ds^2 or
>>> ds are "space-time intervals", while others are
>>> adamant that "s" happens to be "space-time"
>> Who, according to your research, says either one, and where?
>
> The 1-liner of yours above does show, off the bat,
> that you don't know what you are talking about […]

No, it shows instead that you make unsubstantiated claims.

>>> Just tell me the MLT dimensions of "space-time"
>>> as shown in [1]
>>
>> There are no “MLT dimensions of space-time”.
> 
> So Space-time has no mass, no lenght, no area,
> no space and no time.

No, AISB it has three spatial dimensions (that can be compacted into one 
dimension, space) and one temporal dimension (time).  But those are 
*mathematical* dimensions, ways of how the *coordinates* of an object can 
change.

By contrast, mass and length, and by extension of length, area ([area] = 
[length]²), are *physical* dimensions of *quantities*.

> but you say it exists.

It exists insofar as that we can indeed observe the effects that would 
follow if the theories using it would be correct.  IOW, the predictions of 
the theories have been confirmed by observation again and again.

As you are probably aware, recently predictions that followed from assuming 
the correctness of the general theory of relativity, in particular a curved 
spacetime, curved according to the energy–momentum in a location, had been 
confirmed once again by the experimental observation of gravitational waves.

> ROTFMAO!

Simple minds are easily amused.

> In  [1] there is dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2  which are ranges
> of x,y,z

No, they are not.

> that are ORDINARY **Length** items

Not really.  “x”, “y”, and “z” in the referred equation are appropriately 
chosen labels for the spatial *coordinates* of an event, a position, in 
spacetime.  “t” then is its one temporal coordinate, time.

The referred equation means that if you make the differences between 
corresponding coordinates of two points infinitely small, you can arrive at 
a way to measure distances between all possible two points in that flat 
manifold.

> and x^2,y^2,z^2 are their respective AREAS;

Only in an overly simplified sense.  “dx²” must be read “(dx)²”; _not_ 
“d(x²)”.

>> <snip> You must realize that there are
>> different definitions for the term “dimension”
>
> hansoon wrote

If you start quoting properly, as suggested by a proper newsreader, you will 
probably not embarrass yourself again by failing to spell your own (nick) 
name properly.

> So name some different definitions for length
> & name some different definitions for an area.

You misunderstand.  I said that there are different definitions of the term 
“dimension” in physics.  One of them is borrowed from mathematics, from 
geometry.  The one you are referring to is not borrowed from mathematics, 
and you are confusing it with the former.
 
>> there are different contexts in which it is used, if
>> you are going to understand “space-time” in physics.
>
> So, Lahn, show what those different contexts are
> and why they do need to be different for the one
> and same theory.

Because one (the mathematical one) concerns position only, and the other one 
concerns all physical quantities.  There are, of course, physical quantities 
in the theories of relativity as well (they are physical theories after 
all), and they do have dimensions there in the quantitative sense.

But spacetime *itself* does not have *that* kind of dimensions; it has the 
mathematical kind instead.  So your question regarding “the MLT dimensions” 
of spacetime does not make sense; it betrays a fundamental lack of 
understanding what spacetime is.

> Show what YOUR understanding of Space-time is,

My understanding, which is equal to what is being taught in mathematics and 
physics classes since more than a century, is that spacetime is a 3+1-
dimensional manifold.

>> On the other hand there are dimensions in physics, of physical quantities
>> which can be described in terms of combinations of the quantities mass
>> (M),
>> length (L), and time (T).
>>
> hanson wrote:
> On the other hand you just said again that Space-time does
> NOT exist in the real world

No, I did not say that.  I said that there are the dimensions with which 
you determine position and distance, and there are dimensions which which 
you *can* define the form of physical quantities.  Those are *separate* 
concepts.  You are committing the fallacy of equivocation here.

> which makes it as USELESS to real physics

On the contrary.  The mathematical dimensions of spacetime are fundamental 
to describing how physical quantities change when objects are in motion 
relative to one another.

Why?  Well, one quantity important in motion is speed.  Speed is 
the magnitude of velocity, and velocity is the change of *position* per 
unit time.  A position has *coordinates*.  Which coordinates determine 
position is the subject of geometry, of mathematics.  

If speed is measured relative to another object, it is important how 
distances to that object and times on that object are measured.  So
you see that there really is no contradiction in applying in physics 
*both* definitions of “dimension”, but in different contexts.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity#Physics_in_spacetime>

> So, tell why the motion of bodies _in_ space & -in_ time is
> not sufficient but needs […] space-time […]?

There are several ways to explain it.  I prefer to start with the fact that 
all experiments have shown that the speed of light is constant in all frames 
of reference.  Spacetime then provides a convenient mathematical framework 
to describe the observed effects that follow from that.

> None of the agencies of the world's space faring nations
> do use SR or GR for determining the trajectories of their SVs

Because the speeds of those space vehicles (SV) are so low compared to the 
mindbogglingly huge speed of light that (what we know since more than a 
century) the *approximations* of classical mechanics suffice there:

  lim  γ(v) = lim 1∕√(1 − (v∕c)²) = 1
  v→0         v→0

    [γ(v) is the Lorentz factor for speed v which determines the degree of
     length contraction and time dilation.  As γ(v) approaches 1, it
     becomes increasingly harder to observable any length contraction and 
     time dilation.  If necessary, equations for both can be provided here
     *again* to demonstrate this.]

However, SR and GR become important where electromagnetic signals are 
involved, as those travel at the speed of light.  One such kind of signals 
are those of global navigation satellite systems (GNSSs).  The trilaterated 
position of the observer on the surface of this planet would be off if both 
SR and GR would not have been considered in the design of the hardware and 
the software of the satellites of those systems and the receivers on the 
ground:

<http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html>


BTW, when do you think will you have learned to post in a civilized manner, 
including *proper* quotation?

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#568751

"<PointedEars@web.de> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn"
aka "Lame-brained-Lahn", in his Groessenwahn, kept
on with his unearthly and unreal laments, showing that 
"Lame-brained-Lahn" never worked in any Physics lab..
>
but Lahn busily echoes physics quackery that he saw 
on the internet & BELIEVES that it must be true, since
it is printed, despite the fact that "Lame-brained-Lahn" 
never touched nor felt any of his asserted "belief-items.:
 
<snipped "Lame-brained-Lahn's" sad & useless quackery
to save him embarrassment, since Lahn's mentation type 
is no different then that of a religious cult fanatic. Pity>
>
Lahn was shown the paragraphs below before, but in
his Groessenwahn "Lame-brained-Lahn"  snipped it and
loud mouthes that he is smarter and knows the subject 
matter better than luminaries do, like:
>
 ||| Edward Teller, the inventor of the H-Bomb, who says:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwiayZ3sH7U >
||| "Einstein didn't know what he was talking about..."
||| "...or he was lying, or both".
>
||| Prof. Carver A. Mead of Caltech (a student of Feynman),
||| "It is my firm belief that the 20th century will be
|||characterized in history as the dark ages of physics."
>
||| or F.A Hayek, Nobel laureate, who said: "In the future,
||| Humanity will see in our Epoch an Era of superstition, all
||| associated with the names of Marx, Freud and Einstein"
>
||| or John Beckman, an astronomy professor & Einstein disciple:
||| "The theory of relativity lives on. Is it a true picture of reality?
||| That is probably more a matter of FAITH than of proof."
>
Thanks for the laughs, though, Lahn... ahahahahanson

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#568805

hanson wrote:

> "<PointedEars@web.de> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn"
> aka "Lame-brained-Lahn", in his Groessenwahn, kept
> on with his unearthly and unreal laments, showing that
> "Lame-brained-Lahn" never worked in any Physics lab..

The part about my working “in any physics lab” is true.  But with your 
insufficient knowledge of physics and your uncivilized behavior, neither can 
have you worked there (not even as janitor).  So much for “Groessenwahn” (I 
would recommend that you *learn* German before you use German words in an 
attempt to deride statements of a born German – it is properly spelled 
either „Größenwahn“ [Standard German] or «Grössenwahn» [Swiss Standard 
German]).

> but Lahn busily echoes physics quackery that he saw on the internet […]

You cannot know what I have seen and where, and you have yet to understand 
the subject of our discussion.

JFYI, I have also heard lectures, and read books and papers on the subject, 
and been to “physics labs” and talked to physicists (seeing the inside of 
the CMS experiment first-hand and talking to CERN people in 2013 was great; 
I recommend to readers that they take the chance and visit CERN openlab Open 
Day 2016 in June) – all of which you have yet to do.

But I fear that with you all of it would be just pearls before swine.

> [village idiotism]


F'up2 sci.physics.relativity

PointedEars
-- 
Q: What did the nuclear physicist order for lunch?  
A: Fission chips.

(from: WolframAlpha) 

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#568875

"<PointedEars@web.de> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn"
aka "Lame-brained-Lahn", in his Groessenwahn, kept
on with his unearthly and unreal laments, showing that
"Lame-brained-Lahn" never worked in any Physics lab
& agreed that this "is true"... & then Lahn went on to
whine that he was German, (which is not his fault &
>
hanson has no beef with Germans) except here with
"Lame-brained-Lahn and his Größenwahn" or his
«Grössenwahn»".... which Lahn manifests again by
saying that Lahn has "heard lectures, and read books
and papers on the subject, etc"..but that it would be
"just pearls before swine".... [village idiotism]
>
hanson wrote:
... ahahahahaha.. AHAHAHAHA... Na, hoer doch
mal, du alter fanatischer Sack, wipe those tears
off your face and calm down.
>
You appear to be an autodidact, which is very
commendable & honorable, except for your loud-
mouthing (Grossmaulerei). So, exculpate yourself
and show me your pearls by explaining in 10-20
lines what ***physically measurable** dimensions
(in kg, meter & sec) the term Space-time has.
>
Don't keep going on like the village that you have
shown to be so far, and when you go to CERN
perhaps you will notice that the physicists there,
in that Lab, do ***MEASURE*** things... which
is the purpose in the art of Physics. Versteh?
>
After that, all the rest is conjecture, guesswork
and Gedanken farts, which the hanger-ons and
coat tail riders of the experimantal physicists call
"theories" which in turn are slurped up by village
idiots who belivef that those stories aka theories
are true and reality.. which they are not...
>
which is why, admirable as your misguided
dreams may be, do pay attention and try to
"begreifen"/understand why luminaries like...
>
 ||| Edward Teller, the inventor of the H-Bomb, said:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwiayZ3sH7U >
||| "Einstein didn't know what he was talking about..."
||| "...or he was lying, or both".
>
||| Prof. Carver A. Mead of Caltech (a student of Feynman),
||| "It is my firm belief that the 20th century will be
|||characterized in history as the dark ages of physics."
>
||| or F.A Hayek, Nobel laureate, who said: "In the future,
||| Humanity will see in our Epoch an Era of superstition, all
||| associated with the names of Marx, Freud and Einstein"
>
||| or John Beckman, an astronomy professor & Einstein disciple:
||| "The theory of relativity lives on. Is it a true picture of reality?
||| That is probably more a matter of FAITH than of proof."
>
Thanks for the laughs, though, Lahn... ahahahahanson
>
PS:
 Thomas, have you ever noticed that Nobel prices
are only issued for tangible result of experiments,
never for theories...

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#569143

<mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> użytkownik Helmut Wabnig napisał: <snipped>
>
<mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> Why bother about relativistic moron Helmut Wabnig .
> Relativistic moron Wabnigger lives on IMMOBILE
> (from his wabniggering point of view) EARTH.
> Relativistic moron Wabnigger doesn't need observer
> independent coordinates, as well as Wabnigger
> does not need synchronized clocks and
> usually relativistic moron Wabnigger says
> anything Wabnigger does not need is wrong.
>
> What a moron Wabnigger is.
>
hanson wrote:
Wozniak, Kudos to you! Well said. You are a wisee man. 

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#569144

<hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> "Helmut Wabnigger" is unhappy 
about the <PointedEars@web.de> of  "Lame-brained-Lahn", in his 
own wabiggering Groessenwahn, stuttered & got "bothered about"
his failure of not being able to see what MLT dimesions there are in 
ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 - c^2dt^2 
and thus Wabnigger |||HW||| insisted and....
>
|||HW said: "Jews are a residue of failed evolution"
|||HW said: "Relativity is wrong because Einstein was a Jew".
|||HW said: "Convert to the ONE & ONLY Religion of Relativity"
|||HW said: "GPS has a 38000 sec delay time"
|||HW said: "I am an Einstein Dingleberry!
|||HW said: "It's a good life sitting under the date palm tree"
|||HW said: "Judaism & Islam are consistent in that respect"
|||HW said: "demontage all Israel, Stone by stone, brick by brick"
|||HW said: "I have seen an UFO yesterday!"
|||HW said: "A ghost-driver is on the motorway!"
|||HW said: "Nobody on the internet knows that I am a dog"
>
Helmut, wabnigger on. You are always good for a laugh,
but for nothing else though.... ahahahahahahahanson

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#569161

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:18:08 -0700, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote:

><hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> "Helmut Wabnigger" is unhappy 
>about the <PointedEars@web.de> of  "Lame-brained-Lahn", in his 
>own wabiggering Groessenwahn, stuttered & got "bothered about"
>his failure of not being able to see what MLT dimesions there are in 
>ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 - c^2dt^2 
>and thus Wabnigger |||HW||| insisted and....
>>
>|||HW said: "Jews are a residue of failed evolution"
>|||HW said: "Relativity is wrong because Einstein was a Jew".
>|||HW said: "Convert to the ONE & ONLY Religion of Relativity"
>|||HW said: "GPS has a 38000 sec delay time"
>|||HW said: "I am an Einstein Dingleberry!
>|||HW said: "It's a good life sitting under the date palm tree"
>|||HW said: "Judaism & Islam are consistent in that respect"
>|||HW said: "demontage all Israel, Stone by stone, brick by brick"
>|||HW said: "I have seen an UFO yesterday!"
>|||HW said: "A ghost-driver is on the motorway!"
>|||HW said: "Nobody on the internet knows that I am a dog"
>>
>Helmut, wabnigger on. You are always good for a laugh,
>but for nothing else though.... ahahahahahahahanson


You pulled that collection out of your arse, hanson.
You are a liar.

How do you perform on the hanson family meetings,
hans hanson, your place is there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TioFybTbC3E

=========
hans hanson says,
relativity is wrong because he, hans hanson, does not need it.

hans hanson says,
the Jews are the cause of antisemitism,
and denies that he, hans hanson is the real cause,
together with such idiots as Henry Ford I and Adolf Hitler.
hans hanson wants to rob and steal from the Jews,
out of lousy jealousy and greed, the motor of antisemitism.

hans hanson says,
relativity is wrong because Einstein was a Jew.
hans hanson is a proponent of "Deutsche Physik"
where E = mcc is forbidden.

w.

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#569170

"Helmut Wabnig" <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat>
is drunk, loaded and cranked himself when
Wabnigger |||HW klagte und farted in einem
fort from his hovel in Austria's Klagenfurt,
because hanson posted Wabnigger's pearls
of wisdom, all of which Wabnigger posted &
can be seen in Wabnigger's archive where
and when...
>
|||HW said: "Relativity is wrong because Einstein was a Jew".
|||HW said: "I am an Einstein Dingleberry!
|||HW said: "GPS has a 38000 sec delay time"
|||HW said: "Jews are a residue of failed evolution"
|||HW said: "Convert to the ONE & ONLY Religion of Relativity"
|||HW said: "It's a good life sitting under the date palm tree"
|||HW said: "Judaism & Islam are consistent in that respect"
|||HW said: "demontage all Israel, Stone by stone, brick by brick"
|||HW said: "I have seen an UFO yesterday!"
|||HW said: "A ghost-driver is on the motorway!"
|||HW said: "Nobody on the internet knows that I am a dog"
>
hanson wrote:
ahahaha.. Wabie, you can be forgiven for all
the above if you are capable to post what MLT
dimensions there are in
ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 - c^2dt^2 ... [1]
and explain what that "s" in [1] stands for.
>
Wabie, do that and don't just carry on with your
usual compulsive, habitual drinking & gross
wabniggering, but try to be more than a geriatric
parroting Einstein Dingleberry that worships
Albert's Sphincter while dangling there and
basking, in your religious bliss, in the warm and
cozy breeze of Einstein's GEDANKEN farts, ...
... but you not even knowing why you do that...

Till then thanks for the laughs... ahahahahanson

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#567549

Koobee Wublee wrote:
> 
> On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 12:21:12 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > Holes in the Sun Are Threatening to Throw Birds, GPS Off Course
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b89qw1paaqibajr/AAAvBJwuhzOw-TKssg5fK3dGa?dl=0
> >
> > I not sure it's the holes in the sun...it may be the gravitional
> > waves and the anitgravity effect that is throwing the GPS off
> > course...the measurement of the gravitional waves are off, which
> > is throwing off GPS.
> >
> > Does it make any sense?
> 
> Well, it would be a fatal disaster if the GPS satellites are preprogrammed with a fixed offset per general relativity prediction.  Luckily, engineers are so much fvcking smarter than self-styled physicists.  Engineers have designed in GPS satellites with dynamical offset that can be changed from time to time.  So, if sunspots throw the GPS timing offset, there is no big deal.  We just have to retune it dynamically.  Thanks for pointing this out.  <shrug>



Also, the GPS can be hacked by anyone...to make it appear there is a traffic jame when none exist.


An alien from another planet can wreck havock hacking GPS saellites.

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#567550

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Koobee Wublee wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 12:21:12 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > > Holes in the Sun Are Threatening to Throw Birds, GPS Off Course
> > >
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b89qw1paaqibajr/AAAvBJwuhzOw-TKssg5fK3dGa?dl=0
> > >
> > > I not sure it's the holes in the sun...it may be the gravitional
> > > waves and the anitgravity effect that is throwing the GPS off
> > > course...the measurement of the gravitional waves are off, which
> > > is throwing off GPS.
> > >
> > > Does it make any sense?
> >
> > Well, it would be a fatal disaster if the GPS satellites are preprogrammed with a fixed offset per general relativity prediction.  Luckily, engineers are so much fvcking smarter than self-styled physicists.  Engineers have designed in GPS satellites with dynamical offset that can be changed from time to time.  So, if sunspots throw the GPS timing offset, there is no big deal.  We just have to retune it dynamically.  Thanks for pointing this out.  <shrug>
> 
> Also, the GPS can be hacked by anyone...to make it appear there is a traffic jame when none exist.
> 
> An alien from another planet can wreck havock hacking GPS saellites.


GPS hacking is also great for people who rob banks and other places to
escape from...

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#567600

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Koobee Wublee wrote:
> > >
> > > On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 12:21:12 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Holes in the Sun Are Threatening to Throw Birds, GPS Off Course
> > > >
> > > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b89qw1paaqibajr/AAAvBJwuhzOw-TKssg5fK3dGa?dl=0
> > > >
> > > > I not sure it's the holes in the sun...it may be the gravitional
> > > > waves and the anitgravity effect that is throwing the GPS off
> > > > course...the measurement of the gravitional waves are off, which
> > > > is throwing off GPS.
> > > >
> > > > Does it make any sense?
> > >
> > > Well, it would be a fatal disaster if the GPS satellites are preprogrammed with a fixed offset per general relativity prediction.  Luckily, engineers are so much fvcking smarter than self-styled physicists.  Engineers have designed in GPS satellites with dynamical offset that can be changed from time to time.  So, if sunspots throw the GPS timing offset, there is no big deal.  We just have to retune it dynamically.  Thanks for pointing this out.  <shrug>
> >
> > Also, the GPS can be hacked by anyone...to make it appear there is a traffic jame when none exist.
> >
> > An alien from another planet can wreck havock hacking GPS saellites.
> 
> GPS hacking is also great for people who rob banks and other places to
> escape from...


Now, do you know How To Hack GPS??


You can learn how to digitally fake a traffic jam by creating phony
profiles on the traffic and navigational app Waze, 
you can fool cops GPS to head straight to a traffic jam....make your
getaway easy.

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