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| Started by | benj <none@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-01-28 17:31 -0500 |
| Last post | 2016-01-31 02:05 -0500 |
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Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 17:31 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 16:35 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 17:47 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 17:12 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 17:16 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 16:14 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 20:05 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-01-29 12:34 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 13:36 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 19:55 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 07:45 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 12:29 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 17:47 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 12:19 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 18:43 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-29 19:17 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 21:59 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:37 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-29 22:40 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 23:38 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:19 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:27 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 22:11 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:44 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 02:33 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 22:53 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-29 12:25 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 18:38 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:23 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 22:20 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:52 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 23:54 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 12:29 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-30 20:43 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 00:07 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-31 05:17 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 01:39 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:25 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 12:29 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-30 20:51 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 00:16 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-31 05:58 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:29 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-30 21:08 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:33 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-31 20:20 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 14:48 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-31 21:37 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 16:00 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 16:02 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-01 00:03 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-01 00:36 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-01 14:18 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-01 16:16 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 10:41 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 14:22 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 22:26 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 16:59 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 23:45 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 13:19 -0600
Re: Hey Odd! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 14:55 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 10:55 -0800
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-29 13:47 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-29 22:36 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 03:12 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-30 18:49 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 23:52 -0500
Re: Hey Odd! Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-01-31 05:47 +0000
Re: Hey Odd! benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 02:05 -0500
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| From | benj <none@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-31 00:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8Ngry.273216$9A4.221841@fx40.iad> |
| In reply to | #549425 |
On 01/30/2016 03:51 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:29:33 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>>
>> Then it is pointless for you to OWN them.
>>
>> That's what STORES are for.
>>
>
> Jeesh! You are a denizen of Usenet and you still speak of ownership
> and stores?
>
> Judas priest! The true beauty of digital information, including of course
> e-books, is that is can be obtained without cost. It's all there for
> the picking. One just has to know how -- and knowing how is not difficult.
>
> Now don't start moralizing like a sick capitalist because it will have
> no effect.
>
> How do think I have acquired thousands of e-books? Do you think I
> am the Prince of Siam?
>
> Please understand how things are done in the digital age.
>
> Then maybe one day you too will have thousands of e-books.
So that means that either all your books are copyrighted and hence your
copies are illegal (as you steal money from the mouths of the author's
children) or on the other hand your massive collection is worth exactly
what you paid for it.
>> Well, on the contrary, I find the excessive consumption just to have a
>> vast collection at your fingertips, even though you'll never ever use it
>> all, is somewhat disgusting. It reeks of the rampant consumerism and
>> immediate gratification that is the source of the stink in this country.
>> Thanks for contributing to that odor.
>>
>>>
>>> Get smart. Go digital. It's as easy to have the entire LOC as to not
>>> have it. So have it.
It would indeed be cool if one COULD have the entire LOC, but that ain't
gonna happen. It could, of course. Since the LOC gets and catalogs all
new books printed, wouldn't it be the shiznit to be able to just access
ANY book that has just been written? But then there is the question of
"who pays". Since the purpose of writing books is to sell them, giving
them away free would not work. However, I'm thinking that it might not
take too much of a tax to cover an author's share of the download fee.
You know, sort of a tax Kindle thing. But I doubt there is enough
pressure to get something like that passed.
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-01-31 05:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8k7ql21mee@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #549480 |
On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 00:16:52 -0500, benj wrote: > > But then there is the question of > "who pays". Since the purpose of writing books is to sell them, giving > them away free would not work. > No matter what the commodity, there will always be pilfering of some kind down the supply chain. The final cost of the good must include some allowance for the loss. As far as digital books, most people won't know how to misappropriate them and thus they will cover the cost of those who do know. It's a fact of life. Whenever you pay your $1.20 for your Snickers candy bar, you are also supporting the guy who just obtained his via the five-finger discount.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-31 13:29 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8lnbg$195m$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549425 |
On 1/30/2016 2:51 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > Jeesh! You are a denizen of Usenet and you still speak of ownership > and stores? > > Judas priest! The true beauty of digital information, including of course > e-books, is that is can be obtained without cost. It's all there for > the picking. One just has to know how -- and knowing how is not difficult. > > Now don't start moralizing like a sick capitalist because it will have > no effect. > > How do think I have acquired thousands of e-books? Do you think I > am the Prince of Siam? > > Please understand how things are done in the digital age. > > Then maybe one day you too will have thousands of e-books. > > If you are saying that you are proud to have stolen thousands of e-books because you know how to, then I think this marks you as distinct from my old girlfriend who at least did not shoplift her 200 pairs of shoes just because she could have. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-01-30 21:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8j8nv0csr@news7.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #549409 |
On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:29:33 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > Well, on the contrary, I find the excessive consumption just to have a > vast collection at your fingertips, even though you'll never ever use it > all, is somewhat disgusting. It reeks of the rampant consumerism and > immediate gratification that is the source of the stink in this country. > Thanks for contributing to that odor. > Now don't get your panties all in a twist. Your comparison, once again, is meaningless. What can be a better agent for the ideals of an advanced civilization than a book? Books do not represent decadent luxury but rather an avowal of the supremacy of learning and knowledge. I can understand the disgust that may be felt over a plane load of caviar flown in from the Crimea just to satisfy the gustatory craving of some do-nothing Hollywood mogul, but an indulgence in books is far more a virtue than a vice.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-31 13:33 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8lni7$195m$5@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549429 |
On 1/30/2016 3:08 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:29:33 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> >> Well, on the contrary, I find the excessive consumption just to have a >> vast collection at your fingertips, even though you'll never ever use it >> all, is somewhat disgusting. It reeks of the rampant consumerism and >> immediate gratification that is the source of the stink in this country. >> Thanks for contributing to that odor. >> > > Now don't get your panties all in a twist. > > Your comparison, once again, is meaningless. > > What can be a better agent for the ideals of an advanced civilization > than a book? Books do not represent decadent luxury but rather an avowal > of the supremacy of learning and knowledge. What could be a better agent for the ideals of an advanced civilization than the sensibility to consume only what you need, and to possess only what you plan to consume? > > I can understand the disgust that may be felt over a plane load of caviar > flown in from the Crimea just to satisfy the gustatory craving of some > do-nothing Hollywood mogul, but an indulgence in books is far more a > virtue than a vice. Indulgence is the operative word here. Indulgences are excesses one makes excuses for. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-01-31 20:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8lqa102kfg@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #549565 |
On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 13:33:32 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > What could be a better agent for the ideals of an advanced civilization > than the sensibility to consume only what you need, and to possess only > what you plan to consume? > Shakespeare, King Lear: "O, reason not the need! our basest beggars Are in the poorest thing superfluous: Allow not nature more than nature needs, Man's life's [is] as cheap as beast's" You'll find it here: http://shakespeare.mit.edu/lear/lear.2.4.html These are fantastic words from one of the greatest statements in English, and perhaps world, literature. You've got to read more, Oddy. You are missing big pieces of the puzzle of life. Significantly, this utterance of Lear occurs during an exchange with his daughter, a woman. Yes, Oddy, your sentiments regarding books are womanish indeed. Be a man. Go digital. Have your own LOC and learn to love it. >> >> I can understand the disgust that may be felt over a plane load of caviar >> flown in from the Crimea just to satisfy the gustatory craving of some >> do-nothing Hollywood mogul, but an indulgence in books is far more a >> virtue than a vice. > > Indulgence is the operative word here. Indulgences are excesses one > makes excuses for.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-31 14:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8lruj$1hl7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549575 |
On 1/31/2016 2:20 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 13:33:32 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> >> What could be a better agent for the ideals of an advanced civilization >> than the sensibility to consume only what you need, and to possess only >> what you plan to consume? >> > > Shakespeare, King Lear: > > "O, reason not the need! our basest beggars > Are in the poorest thing superfluous: > Allow not nature more than nature needs, > Man's life's [is] as cheap as beast's" > > You'll find it here: > > http://shakespeare.mit.edu/lear/lear.2.4.html > > These are fantastic words from one of the greatest statements > in English, and perhaps world, literature. > > You've got to read more, Oddy. You are missing big pieces of > the puzzle of life. > > Significantly, this utterance of Lear occurs during an exchange > with his daughter, a woman. > > Yes, Oddy, your sentiments regarding books are womanish indeed. > > Be a man. Go digital. Have your own LOC and learn to love it. > My sentiments about rampant, excessive consumption have nothing to do with gender, you backwards, bigoted relic from medieval twattery. I have no problem with books. I own both paper and digital books. I do have a problem with greed and the Collector's Obsession. I do have a problem with stealing to feed the Collector's Obsession. I do have a problem with those who would rationalize and excuse their thefts, claiming somehow this is the manly thing to do. >>> >>> I can understand the disgust that may be felt over a plane load of caviar >>> flown in from the Crimea just to satisfy the gustatory craving of some >>> do-nothing Hollywood mogul, but an indulgence in books is far more a >>> virtue than a vice. >> >> Indulgence is the operative word here. Indulgences are excesses one >> makes excuses for. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-01-31 21:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8lur302hc4@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #549578 |
On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:48:23 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > I have no problem with books. I own both paper and digital books. I do > have a problem with greed and the Collector's Obsession. I do have a > problem with stealing to feed the Collector's Obsession. I do have a > problem with those who would rationalize and excuse their thefts, > claiming somehow this is the manly thing to do. > Obsession? Theft? You are pulling things out of the air again, and that's a bad habit. Take a deep breath. Get a grip on reality. Then start building your own E-LOC and learn to love it.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-31 16:00 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8m059$1olc$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549589 |
On 1/31/2016 3:37 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:48:23 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> >> I have no problem with books. I own both paper and digital books. I do >> have a problem with greed and the Collector's Obsession. I do have a >> problem with stealing to feed the Collector's Obsession. I do have a >> problem with those who would rationalize and excuse their thefts, >> claiming somehow this is the manly thing to do. >> > > Obsession? Theft? You are pulling things out of the air again, > and that's a bad habit. > > Take a deep breath. Get a grip on reality. You can't acquire the US Library of Congress collection, ebooks or otherwise, for free without theft. That's reality, Fabian. Own it. > > Then start building your own E-LOC and learn to love it. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-31 16:02 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8m097$1olc$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549592 |
On 1/31/2016 4:00 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 1/31/2016 3:37 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: >> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:48:23 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no problem with books. I own both paper and digital books. I do >>> have a problem with greed and the Collector's Obsession. I do have a >>> problem with stealing to feed the Collector's Obsession. I do have a >>> problem with those who would rationalize and excuse their thefts, >>> claiming somehow this is the manly thing to do. >>> >> >> Obsession? Theft? You are pulling things out of the air again, >> and that's a bad habit. >> >> Take a deep breath. Get a grip on reality. > > You can't acquire the US Library of Congress collection, ebooks or > otherwise, for free without theft. That's reality, Fabian. Own it. Or if, as Ben pointed out, your collection of thousands of scientific treatises consists solely of books out of copyright and in the public domain, then you have exactly what you paid for. > >> >> Then start building your own E-LOC and learn to love it. >> > > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-01 00:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <56AF1152.65BE@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #549589 |
Fabian Russell wrote: > > On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:48:23 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > > > I have no problem with books. I own both paper and digital books. I do > > have a problem with greed and the Collector's Obsession. I do have a > > problem with stealing to feed the Collector's Obsession. I do have a > > problem with those who would rationalize and excuse their thefts, > > claiming somehow this is the manly thing to do. > > > > Obsession? Theft? You are pulling things out of the air again, > and that's a bad habit. > > Take a deep breath. Get a grip on reality. > > Then start building your own E-LOC and learn to love it. It's called, trying to diminish you...den·i·grate. It's how Donald Trump deals with those that oppose him. The Internet wishes to be free. That means the internet has a strong desire for information in any form to be free...music, movies, books, ideas. For example, epub. actually is a zip file filled with html files. Just change the extension of any epub from xxxxx.epub to .xxxxx.zip then unzip it. For example, some directory publisher published a directory book, how do you extract all email addresses and data from the pages of a big directory ? then finally came out with a epub of the book. Now, unzipping it gave me access to all it's email addresses, and names and address in this directory that is easily extracted. The Internet wishes to be free. (i bet a million dollars that if the publisher knew that his book can be uzipped and information extracted easily in a second, he would have never had it turn into a ebook.) The Internet wishes to be free.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-01 00:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <56AF18FE.2126@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #549662 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Fabian Russell wrote: > > > > On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:48:23 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > > > > > > I have no problem with books. I own both paper and digital books. I do > > > have a problem with greed and the Collector's Obsession. I do have a > > > problem with stealing to feed the Collector's Obsession. I do have a > > > problem with those who would rationalize and excuse their thefts, > > > claiming somehow this is the manly thing to do. > > > > > > > Obsession? Theft? You are pulling things out of the air again, > > and that's a bad habit. > > > > Take a deep breath. Get a grip on reality. > > > > Then start building your own E-LOC and learn to love it. > > It's called, trying to diminish you...den·i·grate. It's how Donald Trump deals with those that oppose him. > > The Internet wishes to be free. That means the internet has a strong desire for > information in any form to be free...music, movies, books, ideas. > > For example, epub. > > actually is a zip file filled with html files. > > Just change the extension of any epub from xxxxx.epub to .xxxxx.zip > > then unzip it. > > For example, some directory publisher published a directory book, > how do you extract all email addresses and data from the pages of a big directory ? > then finally came out with a epub of the book. > > Now, unzipping it gave me access to all it's email addresses, and names and address > in this directory that is easily extracted. > > The Internet wishes to be free. > > (i bet a million dollars that if the publisher knew that > his book can be uzipped and information extracted easily in a second, he would have never had it > turn into a ebook.) > > The Internet wishes to be free. Like for an example...here is a real world example.. there is a book called: Writer's Market 2016: The Most Trusted Guide to Getting Published 95th Edition At Amazon they have the Book and the ebook epub version. You can take the epub, change the extension to zip and you have all the email address and names and addresses you need to market your science fiction stories in a second. http://www.amazon.com/Writers-Market-2016-Trusted-Published/dp/1599639378/ref=pd_sim_14_5?ie=UTF8&dpID=51Tq-Z193qL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR122%2C160_&refRID=1J134H9SAFRQAXNFGYCS (of course the epub is avaialbe for free if you know where to look, the internet wishes to be free) Writers.Market.2016.The.Most.Trusted.Guide.to.Getting.Published.epub email extraction tools
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-01 14:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <56AFD9A6.12E3@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #549670 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Fabian Russell wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:48:23 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I have no problem with books. I own both paper and digital books. I do > > > > have a problem with greed and the Collector's Obsession. I do have a > > > > problem with stealing to feed the Collector's Obsession. I do have a > > > > problem with those who would rationalize and excuse their thefts, > > > > claiming somehow this is the manly thing to do. > > > > > > > > > > Obsession? Theft? You are pulling things out of the air again, > > > and that's a bad habit. > > > > > > Take a deep breath. Get a grip on reality. > > > > > > Then start building your own E-LOC and learn to love it. > > > > It's called, trying to diminish you...den·i·grate. It's how Donald Trump deals with those that oppose him. > > > > The Internet wishes to be free. That means the internet has a strong desire for > > information in any form to be free...music, movies, books, ideas. > > > > For example, epub. > > > > actually is a zip file filled with html files. > > > > Just change the extension of any epub from xxxxx.epub to .xxxxx.zip > > > > then unzip it. > > > > For example, some directory publisher published a directory book, > > how do you extract all email addresses and data from the pages of a big directory ? > > then finally came out with a epub of the book. > > > > Now, unzipping it gave me access to all it's email addresses, and names and address > > in this directory that is easily extracted. > > > > The Internet wishes to be free. > > > > (i bet a million dollars that if the publisher knew that > > his book can be uzipped and information extracted easily in a second, he would have never had it > > turn into a ebook.) > > > > The Internet wishes to be free. > > Like for an example...here is a real world example.. > > there is a book called: > > Writer's Market 2016: The Most Trusted Guide to Getting Published 95th Edition > > At Amazon they have the Book and the ebook epub version. > > You can take the epub, change the extension to zip and you have > all the email address and names and addresses you need to market your science fiction stories in a second. > > http://www.amazon.com/Writers-Market-2016-Trusted-Published/dp/1599639378/ref=pd_sim_14_5?ie=UTF8&dpID=51Tq-Z193qL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR122%2C160_&refRID=1J134H9SAFRQAXNFGYCS > > (of course the epub is avaialbe for free if you know where to look, the internet wishes to be free) > > Writers.Market.2016.The.Most.Trusted.Guide.to.Getting.Published.epub > > email extraction tools somebody gave me a barnes and noble gift card, but i don't know what book to buy because every book i want to read is free on the internet!!! The Internet wishes to be free. even magazines.. what am i gonna do wit dis barnes and noble gift card???? wat is a lit format? http://satdude.com/4don/%5Bebooks%5D%201000+%20ScienceFiction%20&%20Fantasy%20Novels%20%28.lit%20format%29/ https://www.google.com/#q=indexof%2F:+epub+mobi what am i gonna do wit dis barnes and noble gift card???? Maybe I should go and see the wizard of ODD... i can ask for a brain while i'm at it? do you think the ODD will give me a brain? what am i gonna do wit dis barnes and noble gift card???? I go to Barnes and Noble book store near me to see what new books they have... then i go on the internet and Bingo, it's on epub already??? what am i gonna do wit dis barnes and noble gift card????
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-01 16:16 -0800 |
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The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Fabian Russell wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:48:23 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I have no problem with books. I own both paper and digital books. I do > > > > have a problem with greed and the Collector's Obsession. I do have a > > > > problem with stealing to feed the Collector's Obsession. I do have a > > > > problem with those who would rationalize and excuse their thefts, > > > > claiming somehow this is the manly thing to do. > > > > > > > > > > Obsession? Theft? You are pulling things out of the air again, > > > and that's a bad habit. > > > > > > Take a deep breath. Get a grip on reality. > > > > > > Then start building your own E-LOC and learn to love it. > > > > It's called, trying to diminish you...den·i·grate. It's how Donald Trump deals with those that oppose him. > > > > The Internet wishes to be free. That means the internet has a strong desire for > > information in any form to be free...music, movies, books, ideas. > > > > For example, epub. > > > > actually is a zip file filled with html files. > > > > Just change the extension of any epub from xxxxx.epub to .xxxxx.zip > > > > then unzip it. > > > > For example, some directory publisher published a directory book, > > how do you extract all email addresses and data from the pages of a big directory ? > > then finally came out with a epub of the book. > > > > Now, unzipping it gave me access to all it's email addresses, and names and address > > in this directory that is easily extracted. > > > > The Internet wishes to be free. > > > > (i bet a million dollars that if the publisher knew that > > his book can be uzipped and information extracted easily in a second, he would have never had it > > turn into a ebook.) > > > > The Internet wishes to be free. > > Like for an example...here is a real world example.. > > there is a book called: > > Writer's Market 2016: The Most Trusted Guide to Getting Published 95th Edition > > At Amazon they have the Book and the ebook epub version. > > You can take the epub, change the extension to zip and you have > all the email address and names and addresses you need to market your science fiction stories in a second. > > http://www.amazon.com/Writers-Market-2016-Trusted-Published/dp/1599639378/ref=pd_sim_14_5?ie=UTF8&dpID=51Tq-Z193qL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR122%2C160_&refRID=1J134H9SAFRQAXNFGYCS > > (of course the epub is avaialbe for free if you know where to look, the internet wishes to be free) > > Writers.Market.2016.The.Most.Trusted.Guide.to.Getting.Published.epub > > email extraction tools I shouldn't forget the others on the newsgroups... 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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 10:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <04c27e6f-523c-430c-aef4-f4f371d26092@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #549155 |
wait till your ereader crokes w all yer books, and they are gone. Or you lose that thumb drive, misplace the chip Or your hard drive goes south with all your eBooks CDs get scratched or katsup eats through the aluminum problem with ebook storage is the device failing, getting lost, misplaced, or taken. or someone formats it Average lifespan of home electronic storage media is 3 to 5 years. All hard drives fail. Formats change. Good old books on the shelf stay safe. ----------- I am a pragmatist. I own an extensive library of hard cover books AND I have a collection of over 2000 epub format books stored on 3 devices as well as on 2 separate cloud storage sites. I find a cheap 7" tablet with a hand strap simulates the book experience quite well. In fact I prefer reading this way now. Adjustable text sizes and fonts, settings for day and night reading, plus the light weight, all add up to a great reading experience. I highly recommend getting one of these mini tablets. A friend makes the hand straps and I have partnered with him to make an arm strap. This mounts your tablet on your left forearm and leaves your hands free for work. Ya, I know. I'm awesome
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| From | benj <none@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 14:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <wZOqy.171347$m53.127924@fx33.iad> |
| In reply to | #549162 |
On 01/29/2016 01:41 PM, HVAC wrote:
>
> wait till your ereader crokes w all yer books, and they are gone.
> Or you lose that thumb drive, misplace the chip
> Or your hard drive goes south with all your eBooks
> CDs get scratched or katsup eats through the aluminum
>
> problem with ebook storage is the device failing, getting lost,
> misplaced, or taken.
>
> or someone formats it
>
> Average lifespan of home electronic storage media is 3 to 5 years.
> All hard drives fail. Formats change.
>
> Good old books on the shelf stay safe.
> -----------
>
> I am a pragmatist. I own an extensive library of hard cover books AND I have a collection of over 2000 epub format books stored on 3 devices as well as on 2 separate cloud storage sites.
>
> I find a cheap 7" tablet with a hand strap simulates the book experience quite well. In fact I prefer reading this way now.
>
> Adjustable text sizes and fonts, settings for day and night reading, plus the light weight, all add up to a great reading experience.
>
> I highly recommend getting one of these mini tablets. A friend makes the hand straps and I have partnered with him to make an arm strap. This mounts your tablet on your left forearm and leaves your hands free for work.
>
> Ya, I know. I'm awesome
>
Yeah, forearm is best so the coach can call in the plays from the bench.
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 22:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8gotp32h9j@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #549162 |
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:41:28 -0800, HVAC wrote: > > wait till your ereader crokes w all yer books, and they are gone. > Or you lose that thumb drive, misplace the chip > Or your hard drive goes south with all your eBooks > CDs get scratched or katsup eats through the aluminum > Digital information needs to be managed properly, and if this is done then your doom scenario will never happen. Yes, it could still happen, but only with the same odds as some terrorist fire bombing your dead-tree collection. > > Good old books on the shelf stay safe. > Wanna move? Dead-tree books are goddamned fscking heavy. You'll need small fleet of trucks with special permit whenever you change addresses.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 16:59 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8gqsk$i1d$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549240 |
On 1/29/2016 4:26 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > Wanna move? Dead-tree books are goddamned fscking heavy. > > You'll need small fleet of trucks with special permit whenever you > change addresses. I think your powers of estimation are poor. The last time I moved, I had 28 book boxes. Book boxes are the smallest moving boxes you can get, because as you say, they are heavy. Each book box is about a cubic foot. I think you'll see that 28 cubic feet does not represent a small fleet of trucks. That's 60 linear feet of bookshelves, enough to fill shelves on a 12' by 10' wall. A typical moving van has about 1800 cubic feet on the inside. That's about 60 times the collection I just described to you, or about 18,000 books. That's a small town public library's collection. I don't know anyone ordinary that has a collection of paper books that size. Fabian, most people's collection of paper books is very easily moved and they do it all the time with smallish rental vans. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> |
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| Date | 2016-01-29 23:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n8gtje130qa@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #549255 |
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:59:34 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > Fabian, most people's collection of paper books is very easily moved and > they do it all the time with smallish rental vans. > Before I completely eliminated my dead-tree collection, the last time I moved I nearly died of heat exhaustion carting load after load of heavy books up and down stairs and to and from the moving van. After that experience I swore to never again go through another. I reiterate: books are goddamed fscking HEAVY. A SINGLE volume of a hard-bound scientific treatise can weigh 10 pounds.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-31 13:19 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n8lmo0$195m$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #549269 |
On 1/29/2016 5:45 PM, Fabian Russell wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:59:34 -0600, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> >> Fabian, most people's collection of paper books is very easily moved and >> they do it all the time with smallish rental vans. >> > > Before I completely eliminated my dead-tree collection, the last time I moved > I nearly died of heat exhaustion carting load after load of heavy books up and > down stairs and to and from the moving van. After that experience I swore to > never again go through another. Here's a thought. If your living space is upstairs, try technology. 1. Block and tackle and a palette. 2. Box dolly. 3. Elevator. 4. Assistance from friends. > > I reiterate: books are goddamed fscking HEAVY. > > A SINGLE volume of a hard-bound scientific treatise can weigh 10 pounds. > Which is why book boxes are small. Ten pounds is REALLY heavy for a book, by the way. Gravitation, by Misner, Thorne and Wheeler is about 2.4 pounds. The boxed set of Feynman lectures, 3 volumes, is about 3 pounds. The 2 volume boxed set of the Unabridged Oxford English Dictionary, the kind with the drawer with the magnifying glass in it, weighs a little over five pounds. If you have a hardbound-scientific treatise that is less than 14" high, it must have well over 2500 pages in it to weigh 10 pounds, and I'm pretty sure you don't read several of those a week. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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