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  Have you ever been at... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-30 12:22 -0800
    Re: Have you ever been at... boB <boB@theresnoplacelikehome.com> - 2016-01-30 13:11 -0800
      Re: Have you ever been at... djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-01-30 21:36 +0000
        Re: Have you ever been at... wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-01-30 19:24 -0500
        Re: Have you ever been at... HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 16:49 -0800
        Re: Have you ever been at... "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-31 21:09 +0000
          Re: Have you ever been at... David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2016-01-31 15:40 -0600
    Re: Have you ever been at... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-31 10:20 -0800
      Re: Have you ever been at... Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-31 21:40 -0600
    Re: Have you ever been at... Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-31 21:39 -0600
      Re: Have you ever been at... Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-01-31 20:57 -0700
        Re: Have you ever been at... Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-01-31 21:11 -0700
          Re: Have you ever been at... Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-31 23:10 -0600
            Re: Have you ever been at... Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-01-31 23:53 -0700
          Re: Have you ever been at... Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2016-02-01 07:49 +0100
        Re: Have you ever been at... wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-02-04 23:34 -0500

#549419 — Have you ever been at...

Have you ever been in two places at once?

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#549431

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:22:14 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Have you ever been in two places at once?


How can you be in two places at once, when you're not anywhere at all
?

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#549437

In article <hm9qabhhp5mgsopj58b04043ruebarvbfd@4ax.com>,
boB  <boB@theresnoplacelikehome.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:22:14 -0800, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Have you ever been in two places at once?

Bilocation (that's its technical term) is usually an ability
bestowed only on saints.  

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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#549450

In article <o1sC0t.1D8D@kithrup.com>,
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) said:

> Bilocation (that's its technical term) is usually an ability
> bestowed only on saints.  

Apparently Barack Obama did it back in October 2014:

https://twitter.com/dougmillsnyt/status/518170510971400192

(It's amazing what a second-term President can get away with...)

-- wds  (safe for work, by the way)

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#549453

>>Have you ever been in two places at once? 

Bilocation (that's its technical term) is usually an ability 
bestowed only on saints.  
----------

Starfaker isn't a saint but he's bi (that's the technical term) 

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#549585

"Dorothy J Heydt"  wrote

>>Have you ever been in two places at once?

> Bilocation (that's its technical term) is usually an ability
bestowed only on saints.

Archangels too according to J B S Haldane's Mr Leakey.


-- 
Mike D

Recommending My Friend Mr Leakey by  J B S Haldane

"May the Deluder of Intelligences never trouble the profundity of thine 
apprehension" 

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#549590

On 2016-01-31, Michael R N Dolbear <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> "Dorothy J Heydt"  wrote

>>>Have you ever been in two places at once?
>
>> Bilocation (that's its technical term) is usually an ability bestowed only
>> on saints.
>
> Archangels too according to J B S Haldane's Mr Leakey.

And Demon Princes - the top-layer souls of the Yozis ('demon lords',
effectively) - in the Exalted setting. As well as demigods, gods, etc., that
can make 'avatars' in any number of settings (Primal Order, the D&D Immortals
set, Nobilis...).

Dave
-- 
\/David	DeLaney	posting	thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that	grows the flower
It's not the clock that	slows the hour 	The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is	all it takes to	make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE	HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/	-net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

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#549554

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Have you ever been in two places at once?



one of the many ways is...

out of the body experience.

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#549619

On 1/31/2016 12:20 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> Have you ever been in two places at once?
>
>
>
> one of the many ways is...
>
> out of the body experience.
>

ha, you're dreaming!

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#549618

On 1/30/2016 2:22 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Have you ever been in two places at once?
>

sure, at home and on the internet,

sure, right foot is here, the left foot is about 2 foot away from right 
foot, two places, at once.

sure, ip on one computer says i'm in canada to observer, the other 
computer says i'm in mexico to same observer.

etc......


(malformed question)

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#549621

Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 1/30/2016 2:22 PM, The Starmaker wrote:

>> Have you ever been in two places at once?
>>
>sure, ip on one computer says i'm in canada to observer, the other 
>computer says i'm in mexico to same observer.

When I switched ISPs in 2008, my new provider had just installed a new
router farm.  It took a fairly long time for the various location
service providers to figure out where my IP address was coming from.

Most websites thought I lived at the telco's head office, on the
Vancouver Burnaby border.  The Home Depot coupon that finally pushed
me into looking at what was going on was only good in BC, and I don't
live in BC.

I found seven companies on the web promising to provide location
services to other web sites.  When I tested them, three of them put me
at the telco corporate headquarters a couple of hundred feet outside
Vancouver.  One put me in Sacramento, one gave inconsistent responses
all over North America, one put me into graveyard in north central
Calgary (about 7 miles from my actual address) and one put me inside
the college grounds at SAIT about 11 miles from my actual address.  I
find it plausible that the telco might put a router farm inside a
technical college, but never figured out the graveyard.  The
transition from fiber to ADSL happens in a roadside telco box on the
other side of a park near my home about an eighth of a mile from my
home.

Calgary stretches much further southwards than northwards, so the
graveyard is neither a geographical center nor a population-weighted
center.

WalMart keeps trying to give me a Toronto list of stores.  I lived in
Toronto for sixteen months in (and after) 2004, but I've gone through
seven or eight computers since then and even switched browsers.  (I
think I was still on Safari back then.  When was Chrome invented?)
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#549624

Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:

>When I switched ISPs in 2008, my new provider had just installed a new
>router farm.  It took a fairly long time for the various location
>service providers to figure out where my IP address was coming from.
>
>Most websites thought I lived at the telco's head office, on the
>Vancouver Burnaby border.  The Home Depot coupon that finally pushed
>me into looking at what was going on was only good in BC, and I don't
>live in BC.
>
>I found seven companies on the web promising to provide location
>services to other web sites.  When I tested them, three of them put me
>at the telco corporate headquarters a couple of hundred feet outside
>Vancouver.  One put me in Sacramento, one gave inconsistent responses
>all over North America, one put me into graveyard in north central
>Calgary (about 7 miles from my actual address) and one put me inside
>the college grounds at SAIT about 11 miles from my actual address.  I
>find it plausible that the telco might put a router farm inside a
>technical college, but never figured out the graveyard.  The
>transition from fiber to ADSL happens in a roadside telco box on the
>other side of a park near my home about an eighth of a mile from my
>home.
>
>Calgary stretches much further southwards than northwards, so the
>graveyard is neither a geographical center nor a population-weighted
>center.
>
>WalMart keeps trying to give me a Toronto list of stores.  I lived in
>Toronto for sixteen months in (and after) 2004, but I've gone through
>seven or eight computers since then and even switched browsers.  (I
>think I was still on Safari back then.  When was Chrome invented?)

Google Maps gives me accurate directions starting from the actual
roadway nearest my bedroom, though that's not quite right according to
where my townhouse complex feeds into the official roads.

I'm not sure what permissions I've given Google over the years.  They
may be working from my userid, or Streetview probably memorized my
router.  I have two routers in series.  The "outer" one is fairly new
provided by my telco, and the second one (private against my
roommates) has been in service since 2005.

quick retest:

Google localizes me at the gate to my townhouse complex - looks like
the street address of my mailing address, which google knows as my
"home address".

whereamirightnow pops up a request from Chrome to allow it to know my
location.  When I say "OK", it puts me at the nearest road position to
my actual address.  This is NOT quite where google maps places me.

I decided to disallow where-am-i.net from knowing my location from
Chrome.  So they put me in Siberia.  It's telling what happens to
people who don't go along with the computer elite.  (grin).

ctrlq.org temporarily parks me in the White House until I allow Chrome
to tell it where I am.

The actual attempt of the test goes dramatically different from how it
went in 2008.  Back then, they actually tried.  Now they all just want
to ask my browser.


-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#549627

On 1/31/2016 10:11 PM, Greg Goss wrote:
> Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>> When I switched ISPs in 2008, my new provider had just installed a new
>> router farm.  It took a fairly long time for the various location
>> service providers to figure out where my IP address was coming from.

>
> I'm not sure what permissions I've given Google over the years.  They
> may be working from my userid, or Streetview probably memorized my
> router.  I have two routers in series.  The "outer" one is fairly new
> provided by my telco, and the second one (private against my
> roommates) has been in service since 2005.

I want to try the two routers in series...
perhaps two wireless routers in series, but one needs to bridge(?) the 
middle one, what ever that means.


>
> quick retest:
>
> Google localizes me at the gate to my townhouse complex - looks like
> the street address of my mailing address, which google knows as my
> "home address".

they must have mapped your IP to that address (?) did you give it to 
google (somehow)  or is google using something else.  over here all the 
cable modems change IP address aobut every 4 months and there is no 
reporting to google.

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#549652

Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 1/31/2016 10:11 PM, Greg Goss wrote:
>> Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>>
>>> When I switched ISPs in 2008, my new provider had just installed a new
>>> router farm.  It took a fairly long time for the various location
>>> service providers to figure out where my IP address was coming from.
>
>>
>> I'm not sure what permissions I've given Google over the years.  They
>> may be working from my userid, or Streetview probably memorized my
>> router.  I have two routers in series.  The "outer" one is fairly new
>> provided by my telco, and the second one (private against my
>> roommates) has been in service since 2005.
>> quick retest:
>>
>> Google localizes me at the gate to my townhouse complex - looks like
>> the street address of my mailing address, which google knows as my
>> "home address".
>
>they must have mapped your IP to that address (?) did you give it to 
>google (somehow)  or is google using something else.  over here all the 
>cable modems change IP address aobut every 4 months and there is no 
>reporting to google.

I gave google maps my home and work addresses so it could tell me
about traffic problems on my commute home after work.  I suspect
that's why it points to the outer street address which is some
distance from my actual unit.  The other services which ask Chrome for
permission to know my location point to the street which is closest to
my unit, which is around a corner from my official address.

I'm surprised that the location google gives me is different than the
one Chrome gives to websites, since both are using Google information.

>I want to try the two routers in series...
>perhaps two wireless routers in series, but one needs to bridge(?) the 
>middle one, what ever that means.

Both of mine have a wifi connection, but the bridge is by cat6 wiring.
The telco modem and router combo box is in the basement where all the
other services enter the building.  I ran a lot of wiring all over the
house (except for master bedroom where I couldn't visualize any easy
way to run wiring without working among the sixteen inches of fluff in
the attic).  The telco WiFi is used by my roommates.  The second
router plugs (via a long wire and a couple of sockets) into one of the
"LAN"  ports on the telco's modem-router.  

The second router is my personal net, that the roommates cannot see.
I have a large drive, a couple of printers, and the memory stick in my
scanner all visible on that net, but nobody but me uses it.  The
second router is upstairs, with a much better and more stable signal
to my bedroom.

I've never tried chaining WiFi links.  I've gone the other way.  I
have a netbook I never use anymore, and I've used it to bridge a
signal from the WiFi to a wired connection.  I've used it a few times
to load drivers to computers that weren't set up for WiFi yet.
Connecting to the netbook with a wire then pugging the WiFi stick into
a USB, allows Windows to auto-find the drivers for the WiFi stick.

I'm probably going to have to discard the two spare WiFi sticks.
Apparently they don't work in Win64.  A supposed driver is loaded,
then is shut down by the system immediately.
-- 
We are geeks.  Resistance is voltage over current.

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#549651

On 01.02.16 5:11, Greg Goss wrote:
> Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>> When I switched ISPs in 2008, my new provider had just installed a new
>> router farm.  It took a fairly long time for the various location
>> service providers to figure out where my IP address was coming from.
>>
>> Most websites thought I lived at the telco's head office, on the
>> Vancouver Burnaby border.  The Home Depot coupon that finally pushed
>> me into looking at what was going on was only good in BC, and I don't
>> live in BC.
>>
>> I found seven companies on the web promising to provide location
>> services to other web sites.  When I tested them, three of them put me
>> at the telco corporate headquarters a couple of hundred feet outside
>> Vancouver.  One put me in Sacramento, one gave inconsistent responses
>> all over North America, one put me into graveyard in north central
>> Calgary (about 7 miles from my actual address) and one put me inside
>> the college grounds at SAIT about 11 miles from my actual address.  I
>> find it plausible that the telco might put a router farm inside a
>> technical college, but never figured out the graveyard.  The
>> transition from fiber to ADSL happens in a roadside telco box on the
>> other side of a park near my home about an eighth of a mile from my
>> home.
>>
>> Calgary stretches much further southwards than northwards, so the
>> graveyard is neither a geographical center nor a population-weighted
>> center.
>>
>> WalMart keeps trying to give me a Toronto list of stores.  I lived in
>> Toronto for sixteen months in (and after) 2004, but I've gone through
>> seven or eight computers since then and even switched browsers.  (I
>> think I was still on Safari back then.  When was Chrome invented?)
>
> Google Maps gives me accurate directions starting from the actual
> roadway nearest my bedroom, though that's not quite right according to
> where my townhouse complex feeds into the official roads.
>
> I'm not sure what permissions I've given Google over the years.  They
> may be working from my userid, or Streetview probably memorized my
> router.  I have two routers in series.  The "outer" one is fairly new
> provided by my telco, and the second one (private against my
> roommates) has been in service since 2005.
>
> quick retest:
>
> Google localizes me at the gate to my townhouse complex - looks like
> the street address of my mailing address, which google knows as my
> "home address".
>
> whereamirightnow pops up a request from Chrome to allow it to know my
> location.  When I say "OK", it puts me at the nearest road position to
> my actual address.  This is NOT quite where google maps places me.
>
> I decided to disallow where-am-i.net from knowing my location from
> Chrome.  So they put me in Siberia.  It's telling what happens to
> people who don't go along with the computer elite.  (grin).
>
> ctrlq.org temporarily parks me in the White House until I allow Chrome
> to tell it where I am.
>
> The actual attempt of the test goes dramatically different from how it
> went in 2008.  Back then, they actually tried.  Now they all just want
> to ask my browser.
>
>
My browsere(ff ESR 24.5.0) is not supported,
and I seem to live between russia and china.
Dont you love the stupidity of some websites?
Lets see what IE does......
Same place , Mirinuga.......
This sure makes my day. :)

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#550610

In article <dh83dgFdhc7U1@mid.individual.net>,
Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> said:

> Calgary stretches much further southwards than northwards, so the
> graveyard is neither a geographical center nor a
> population-weighted center.

Maybe it was the geographical center of some sort of "We know he's
in there *somewhere*" region that their trace system had generated
for you.

-- wds

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