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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2015-12-08 10:23 -0800 |
| Last post | 2015-12-18 14:03 -0800 |
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There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 10:23 -0800
There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 10:51 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 13:04 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-08 22:17 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 17:54 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-08 22:57 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-08 19:15 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:27 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-09 07:20 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:56 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-09 15:11 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:38 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:41 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:48 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 04:50 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 14:08 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:51 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:54 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 17:00 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 12:35 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 18:52 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 13:01 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-09 22:15 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 15:35 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 21:55 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 15:59 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 22:13 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 20:35 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 15:33 +0000
wavey are things that noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 13:44 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 01:20 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-10 08:37 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 16:07 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 15:22 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 21:13 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 19:47 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 21:51 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 22:06 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 00:04 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-10 12:32 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 11:29 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 22:02 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-11 07:48 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-11 13:54 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 22:55 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-12 07:54 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 09:16 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-12 19:47 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2015-12-13 09:06 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 07:01 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-21 05:45 +0100
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-12-21 13:47 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-22 14:03 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:53 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:26 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:38 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:40 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:44 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:52 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 17:27 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 12:37 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 18:01 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-09 11:38 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 12:13 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-10 12:30 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 11:26 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-18 06:45 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-18 10:51 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-19 21:35 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe chanB4 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-12-18 16:12 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 12:56 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-18 14:28 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 17:42 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-09 06:42 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-11 22:39 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 19:46 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 22:50 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 09:09 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 12:07 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 15:46 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 00:01 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 08:44 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 05:53 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:59 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 22:44 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 08:38 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 16:07 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 18:45 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 15:00 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 15:13 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 18:30 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 17:45 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:47 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:40 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 12:26 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 18:03 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 09:52 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 16:01 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2015-12-10 12:03 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-10 13:11 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 15:38 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-11 14:04 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 10:59 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 13:16 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 13:27 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 17:06 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 22:58 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 12:16 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 20:05 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 04:10 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 12:55 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 15:06 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 13:58 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 00:25 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 00:23 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 20:28 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:24 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:27 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 11:32 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 10:41 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 12:43 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 16:11 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 16:28 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 22:58 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 23:14 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 07:57 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 08:15 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe dobri karagorgov <dobrikarate.gov@gmail.com> - 2015-12-18 08:32 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-18 11:00 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-18 22:13 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-20 16:52 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-25 08:40 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-27 23:01 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-29 10:20 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 12:31 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-29 11:31 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 14:19 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-29 13:37 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-29 21:46 +0000
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 08:32 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 20:38 -0500
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-01-06 12:23 -0800
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 15:12 -0600
Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-18 14:03 -0800
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-15 00:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <566FC8EA.DD6@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #538326 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "There Is No Edge To The Universe". > > > > > > > > > > How many times have you heard that? > > > > > > > > > > It seems... > > > > > there is a small group of people.. > > > > > in the 'scientific community'.. > > > > > there is this ..belief or opinion, that > > > > > "There is no edge to the universe". > > > > > > > > > > They, go as far as telling everyone > > > > > "There is no edge to the universe". > > > > > > > > > > They will get together > > > > > and come up with > > > > > all kinds of explanations, > > > > > and numbers, to Why and How > > > > > "There is no edge to the universe". > > > > > > > > > > It's like a mantra. > > > > > "There is no edge to the universe" > > > > > "There is no edge to the universe" > > > > > "There is no edge to the universe" > > > > > > > > > > And if you disagree with them... > > > > > they will have you shot! > > > > > > > > > > So, why the mantra? > > > > > > > > > > Who discovered that there > > > > > is no edge to the universe? > > > > > > > > > > Did they send Columbus to look?? > > > > > > > > > > They will have you believe that > > > > > the universe is infinite. That is just > > > > > a ploy to have you believe... > > > > > "There is no edge to the universe". > > > > > > > > > > Get it? It's a con! > > > > > > > > > > con > > > > > kän/ > > > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > > persuade (someone) to do or believe something, typically by use of a deception. > > > > > > > > > > noun > > > > > noun: con; plural noun: cons > > > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > > an instance of deceiving or tricking someone. > > > > > > > > > > The Question of course is...what is behind these people > > > > > from trying to convince everyone that > > > > > there is no edge to the universe? > > > > > > > > > > Why are they trying to deceive you? > > > > > > > > > > The truth is, they don't even want you to question it. > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > Keep in mind... > > > > that the question is not, > > > > whether or not > > > > there is an edge > > > > to the universe.. > > > > > > > > the question is, > > > > Why the insistence > > > > by the 'scientific community' that > > > > "There is no edge to the universe"? > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > ...i don't want to go off topic but... > > > it goes the same mantra for "There Is No Center To The Universe" > > > > > > not like if there is a human today capable of figuring out how to see the center.... > > > tools not yet invented...but it's a con neverless to say ...There Is No Center To The Universe > > > > > > or There Is No Edge To The Universe. > > > > > > The tradgey is that there are proffesors teaching this stuff to kids today. > > > > > > the question is... > > > Why the insistence > > > by the 'scientific community' > > > to tell everyone.. > > > "There is no edge to the universe"? > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > I'll tell you Why... > > > > it is a pattern with 'these people', (the 'scientific community') > > > > When they say..."There is no...." > > > > it means you are not suppose to question it any further. > > > > When they say "There Is No Edge To The Universe".. > > > > they are saying 'in fact'..don't ask if there is an edge. > > > > If they say "There is no Before." > > > > they are saying 'in fact'..don't ask if there is a before. > > > > If they say "There Is No Center To The Universe".. > > > > they are saying 'in fact'..don't ask if there is a center of the universe. > > > > The truth is...they don't know where the fuck the center is at! They don't even know how to > > fuckin look for it. They don't have the tools to look for it. And they don't want you to ask anymore. > > > > And if you dare ask...they'll fuckin shoot you! > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > > the unchallengeable. > > lemme put it differently... > > the 'scientific community' has > a choice...either to say, > > "There Is No Edge To The Universe" > > or to say > > "There Is An Edge To The Universe" > > if they choose the latter.. > > then everybody would be asking... > > "What is on the other side of the edge????" > > To avoid having to answer questions they have no answers too, > they decided to say... > > "There Is No Edge To The Universe, Motherfucker"! > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > the unchallengeable. Okay...yous seem to be having trouble...picturing an edge to the universe. How about... take the Universe.. the whole Universe.. what I mean is the entire Universe and everyhting that is contain in it. Everything in the entire universe that is contained in it. From top to bottom. From one edge of the entire universe to the other side of the entire universe. The whole shabam! Eveything in it!! Everything contained in it. 'contained in it.' contained in
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-15 08:44 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <CIednapTN82tuu3LnZ2dnUU7-XWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #539290 |
On 12/15/15 2:01 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > Okay...yous seem to be having trouble...picturing an edge to the > universe. And rightly so, as there is no edge. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-17 05:53 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5e655289-15aa-4388-82f6-66399ce3e719@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #539337 |
And rightly so, as there is no edge -------- Well, there is an 'edge' to the universe. But it is a relativistic edge since it is expanding at almost light speed. For us this means no observable edge, yet still an edge
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-17 09:59 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dLadncORXrtzRu_LnZ2dnUU7-LednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #539795 |
On 12/17/15 7:53 AM, HVAC wrote:
>
> And rightly so, as there is no edge
> --------
>
> Well, there is an 'edge' to the universe. But it is a relativistic edge since it is expanding at almost light speed. For us this means no observable edge, yet still an edge
>
I can ride my bike about 100 miles in a day, so a circle with radius
100 miles has an edge. What's and edge and what's not an edge is in
the mind of the beholder.
As far as the observable universe goes, no matter where you are
in it, you can see out to a radius defined as the time light has had
to travel--always changing, and different content for every observer.
No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-15 22:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5671083C.135D@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #539290 |
David DeLaney wrote: > > On 2015-12-15, Stephen Allcroft <stephenallcroft@lycos.co.uk> wrote: > > Starmaker wants an end to the universe. He's looking in the spacial > > dimensions. He won't find it there. It's the other dimension where the end is > > going to be. > > so i hear you saying > TIME MUST HAVE A STOP! > ? > > Dave, will callback for food > -- > \/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower > It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see > Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK> > http://gatekeeper.vic.com/~dbd/ -net.legends/Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K. Well of course Time must have a stop... Time stops every second, and then it stars again. Eventually, Time will begin to unwind... and when no one wounds the clock..Time will stop.. just about the time it reaches the edge.. just in time. Beyond the edge there is no time.. as there was no time before the begining. The Timemaker It's not tick tock, it's tic, tic, tic...tic.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-16 08:38 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <mtWdnVEkxqL86uzLnZ2dnUU7-f-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #539544 |
On 12/16/15 12:44 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Time stops every second, and then it stars again.
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| From | "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-16 16:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <028c55bd-0f02-47be-a345-891aa171b39f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #539582 |
On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 at 6:38:31 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 12/16/15 12:44 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Time stops every second, and then it stars again. > > > ## # > ## # > ######################################### > ######################################### > ## ###### > ## ########## > ############ > ############## > ############# > ############# > ############## > ############# > ############## > ############# > ############## > ############# # > ############# # > ######################################### > ######################################### > # > > ######## > ############### > ################## > ##################### > #### #### > ## ## > ## ## > ## ## > ## ### > ## ## > #### #### > ##################### > ################## > ############### > ######## > > > -- > > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics > community, and physics-related social issues. Only stuff at the area our universe can conceivably have a fringy edge has to be made of photons and nuetrinos thinning out to absolute zero F. TreBert
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-16 18:45 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <QMydnQ2vwsElmO_LnZ2dnUU7-QkAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #539697 |
On 12/16/15 6:07 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-17 15:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <56733E8C.C68@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #539582 |
Sam Wormley wrote: > > On 12/16/15 12:44 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Time stops every second, and then it stars again. In other words... you can take a simple camera and capture.. a moment in time. A Kodak Moment. Or, you can take a movie camera and watch the world go by one frame at a time. If you can slow down a ...tic to a point where the next tic does not tic... time stops. Have you ever listen to a clock's last tic? Does it slow down before the last tic, or does it just stop ticking?? Where's Einstein, i gotta ask him..see what he says... He's probably say..."GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!!" Then I'll have to tell him, "You fuckin commie!!"
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-17 15:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5673417D.715F@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #539956 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Sam Wormley wrote: > > > > On 12/16/15 12:44 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Time stops every second, and then it stars again. > > In other words... > > you can take a simple camera > and capture.. > a moment in time. > > A Kodak Moment. > > Or, you can take a movie camera > and watch the world > go by > one frame at a time. > > If you can slow down a ...tic > > to a point where the next tic > does not tic... > > time stops. > > Have you ever listen to a clock's last tic? > > Does it slow down before the last tic, or does it just stop ticking?? The reason why you cannot travel into the future is because.. time stops. You cannot send messages into the future because the future does not exist...yet. The future is created..each second, to keep you from jumping ahead of ...Time. When it comes to the subject of Time....I'm a fuckin expert!
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-17 18:30 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <BO6dnTmCVZAkzu7LnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #539959 |
On 12/17/15 5:13 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > The reason why you cannot travel into the future is because.. > time stops. Try not to be so stooopid -- we are traveling into the future right now. > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/World_line.svg -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-17 17:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <56736520.4671@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #539978 |
Sam Wormley wrote: > > On 12/17/15 5:13 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > The reason why you cannot travel into the future is because.. > > time stops. > > Try not to be so stooopid -- we are traveling into the future > right now. > > all at the same time? one second at a time? can i jump in front of you, i want to see you arriving.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-08 21:47 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <AYGdnee6PrjyOfrLnZ2dnUU7-VudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #538029 |
On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> It's like a mantra.
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
Perhaps that is because there IS NO EDGE to the universe
and some people have to hear it more than once before the get it.
No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
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| From | Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 16:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n49lhp$4ni$4@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #538140 |
Sam Wormley > On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >> It's like a mantra. >> "There is no edge to the universe" >> "There is no edge to the universe" >> "There is no edge to the universe" > > Perhaps that is because there IS NO EDGE to the universe and some > people have to hear it more than once before the get it. There must be, as that Universe allegedly got created from a restrictive delimited area, territory or control volume. That MUST have at least one continuous edge. (allocated Normal vector to it, of course) (check you Mathematics background. And make sure)
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| From | gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 12:26 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n49rpl$neo$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #538029 |
On 12/8/2015 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".
>
> How many times have you heard that?
>
> It seems...
> there is a small group of people..
> in the 'scientific community'..
> there is this ..belief or opinion, that
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> They, go as far as telling everyone
> "There is no edge to the universe".
>
> They will get together
> and come up with
> all kinds of explanations,
> and numbers, to Why and How
> "There is no edge to the universe".
>
> It's like a mantra.
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
>
> And if you disagree with them...
> they will have you shot!
ask them,
"if there is no edge to the universe, how can it keep expanding ? "
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| From | noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-09 18:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <14086b20-7ae4-4dd7-a549-58ab90685bdc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #538241 |
it's just redshifting by the medium of free space; see Alfven cosomology > ask them, > "if there is no edge to the universe, how can it keep expanding ? "
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-10 09:52 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <LI6dnfvDuNdfAvTLnZ2dnUU7-SudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #538029 |
On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > "There Is No Edge To The Universe". You are correct -- no edge. How can the Universe be infinite if it was all concentrated into a point at the Big Bang? > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> |
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| Date | 2015-12-10 16:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n4c7li$79n$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #538399 |
Il giorno mercoledì Thu, 10 Dec 2015 09:52:33 -0600, Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> ha scritto: > On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >> "There Is No Edge To The Universe". > You are correct -- no edge. > How can the Universe be infinite if it was all concentrated into a > point at the Big Bang? >> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html You ask the wrong question, dude. According to the statement you quote, you should ask "how can the Universe not have an edge "if it was all concentrated into a point at the big bang" ". Your arguments comes out of your sorry ass.
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| From | trudi.schwander@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-12-10 12:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <7072d40d-5e27-4189-acdb-8a79b5f995b7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #538029 |
On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 7:23:08 PM UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote: > "There Is No Edge To The Universe". > > How many times have you heard that? > > It seems... > there is a small group of people.. > in the 'scientific community'.. > there is this ..belief or opinion, that > "There is no edge to the universe". > > They, go as far as telling everyone > "There is no edge to the universe". > > They will get together > and come up with > all kinds of explanations, > and numbers, to Why and How > "There is no edge to the universe". > > It's like a mantra. > "There is no edge to the universe" > "There is no edge to the universe" > "There is no edge to the universe" > > And if you disagree with them... > they will have you shot! > > So, why the mantra? > > Who discovered that there > is no edge to the universe? > > Did they send Columbus to look?? > > They will have you believe that > the universe is infinite. That is just > a ploy to have you believe... > "There is no edge to the universe". > > Get it? It's a con! > > > con > kän/ > > 1. > persuade (someone) to do or believe something, typically by use of a deception. > > noun > noun: con; plural noun: cons > > 1. > an instance of deceiving or tricking someone. > > > The Question of course is...what is behind these people > from trying to convince everyone that > there is no edge to the universe? > > Why are they trying to deceive you? > > > The truth is, they don't even want you to question it. > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge > the unchallengeable. The curvature of space and the illusion of infinity Both physicists and religious leaders incorporate infinity when describ-ing reality. Physicists claim that the universe is infinite in its size, while religious leaders claim that god is infinite in his power and his wisdom. But infinity can exist only in mathematics and in imaginations. We have no problems in imagining infinity. That is because compared to the universe, we are so small and compared to god, we are so lacking, and compared to the age of the universe, our life span is so short. Many physicists agree with religious leaders that there is no beginning of time. They both claim that time is infinite. It is easy to imagine time to be infinite, because our fleeting moment of reality is so very short and we move so very slowly compared to the speed of light. Time exists only as a man-made concept of measuring motion. Man, for all intents and purposes, is motionless, and lives and dies at the same place in the vast universe where he is born. It is also easy to imagine space to be infinite, because the space we find ourselves in on the earth is so very small compared to the size of the universe. Space exists only as a frame of reference for measuring position. Man, for all intents and purposes, lives on a 2 dimensional finite surface without any edges and without a center. This is because we are stuck on a very large extending film that is insignificantly thin, the surface of the sphere, our earth. Stuck on the ground, we can choose a direction, and be able to travel in that direction without ever reaching an edge. This is an illusion of infinity. In that light, the entire universe can be looked on as if it occupies a relatively thin shell of a finite area of a relatively large sphere. This shell is without any edges or a center. Its 2 inner surfaces are like mirrors reflecting all light inbe-tween. As we look at the sky, we see its vast extension within the shell. As we look directly up, out of the shell, light is reflected and is guided and kept within the shell. There is no edge or center to the universe just like there is no edge or center to our earth`s surface. Not having an edge or center is an illusion of infinity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H_I-Drl68c andrew vecsey
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| From | Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-10 13:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e71dcd9d-599c-4f9b-b229-81750fc1a44f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #538029 |
On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:23:08 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > "There Is No Edge To The Universe". > > How many times have you heard that? > > It seems... > there is a small group of people.. > in the 'scientific community'.. > there is this ..belief or opinion, that > "There is no edge to the universe". > > They, go as far as telling everyone > "There is no edge to the universe". > > They will get together > and come up with > all kinds of explanations, > and numbers, to Why and How > "There is no edge to the universe". > > It's like a mantra. > "There is no edge to the universe" > "There is no edge to the universe" > "There is no edge to the universe" > > And if you disagree with them... > they will have you shot! > > So, why the mantra? > > Who discovered that there > is no edge to the universe? > > Did they send Columbus to look?? > > They will have you believe that > the universe is infinite. That is just > a ploy to have you believe... > "There is no edge to the universe". > > Get it? It's a con! > > > con > kän/ > > 1. > persuade (someone) to do or believe something, typically by use of a deception. > > noun > noun: con; plural noun: cons > > 1. > an instance of deceiving or tricking someone. > > > The Question of course is...what is behind these people > from trying to convince everyone that > there is no edge to the universe? > > Why are they trying to deceive you? > > > The truth is, they don't even want you to question it. The truth is that the nature of the universe is being revealed to be more like that envisioned by Giordano Bruno than Einstein. Double-A
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