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There Is No Edge To The Universe

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  There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 10:23 -0800
    There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 10:51 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 13:04 -0600
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-08 22:17 +0000
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 17:54 -0500
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-08 22:57 +0000
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-08 19:15 -0600
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:27 -0600
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-09 07:20 +0100
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:56 -0600
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-09 15:11 +0000
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:38 +0000
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:41 -0600
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:48 -0800
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 04:50 -0800
                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 14:08 -0500
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:51 +0000
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:54 -0600
                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 17:00 +0000
                        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 12:35 -0600
                          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 18:52 +0000
                            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 13:01 -0600
                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-09 22:15 +0100
                                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 15:35 -0600
                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 21:55 +0000
                                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 15:59 -0600
                                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 22:13 +0000
                                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 20:35 -0600
                                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 15:33 +0000
                                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 01:20 -0500
                                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-10 08:37 +0100
                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 16:07 -0600
                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 15:22 -0800
                                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 21:13 -0600
                                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 19:47 -0800
                                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 21:51 -0600
                                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 22:06 -0800
                                        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 00:04 -0800
                                          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-10 12:32 -0600
                                          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 11:29 -0800
                                            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 22:02 -0800
                                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-11 07:48 +0100
                                            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-11 13:54 -0800
                                              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 22:55 -0600
                                                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-12 07:54 +0100
                                                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 09:16 -0600
                                                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-12 19:47 +0100
                                                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2015-12-13 09:06 +0100
                                                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 07:01 -0500
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 08:53 -0800
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:26 -0600
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:38 +0000
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:40 -0600
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:44 +0000
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 10:52 -0600
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 17:27 +0000
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 12:37 -0600
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 18:01 -0500
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-09 11:38 -0600
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 12:13 -0800
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David Staup <dstaup@charter.net> - 2015-12-10 12:30 -0600
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 11:26 -0800
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-10 12:56 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-08 17:42 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-09 06:42 -0500
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-11 22:39 -0600
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 19:46 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-08 22:50 -0800
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 09:09 -0600
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 12:07 -0800
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-09 15:46 -0800
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 00:01 -0800
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 08:44 -0600
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 05:53 -0800
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:59 -0600
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-15 22:44 -0800
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 08:38 -0600
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 16:07 -0800
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-16 18:45 -0600
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 15:00 -0800
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 15:13 -0800
                      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 18:30 -0600
                        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 17:45 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 21:47 -0600
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-09 16:40 +0000
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-09 12:26 -0600
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 18:03 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 09:52 -0600
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-10 16:01 +0000
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2015-12-10 12:03 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-10 13:11 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 15:38 -0600
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-12-11 14:04 -0800
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 10:59 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 13:16 -0600
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 13:27 -0800
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 17:06 -0800
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 22:58 -0600
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 12:16 -0800
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 20:05 -0500
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 04:10 -0800
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 12:55 -0800
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 15:06 -0600
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 13:58 -0800
                    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 00:25 -0500
                  Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 00:23 -0500
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-11 20:28 -0500
    Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:24 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:27 -0800
      Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 11:32 -0600
        Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 10:41 -0800
          Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 12:43 -0600
            Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 16:11 -0800
              Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 16:28 -0800
                Re: There Is No Edge To The Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-17 22:58 -0800

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#539959

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2015-12-17 15:13 -0800
Message-ID	<5673417D.715F@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to	#539956

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Sam Wormley wrote:
> >
> > On 12/16/15 12:44 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Time stops every second, and then it stars again.
> 
> In other words...
> 
> you can take a simple camera
> and capture..
> a moment in time.
> 
> A Kodak Moment.
> 
> Or, you can take a movie camera
> and watch the world
> go by
> one frame at a time.
> 
> If you can slow down a ...tic
> 
> to a point where the next tic
> does not tic...
> 
> time stops.
> 
> Have you ever listen to a clock's last tic?
> 
> Does it slow down before the last tic, or does it just stop ticking??

The reason why you cannot travel into the future is because..
time stops.

You cannot send messages into the future because the future does not
exist...yet.

The future is created..each second, to keep you from jumping ahead of
...Time.

When it comes to the subject of Time....I'm a fuckin expert!

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#539978

From	Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-17 18:30 -0600
Message-ID	<BO6dnTmCVZAkzu7LnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#539959

On 12/17/15 5:13 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The reason why you cannot travel into the future is because..
> time stops.

   Try not to be so stooopid -- we are traveling into the future
   right now.

> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/World_line.svg

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#539985

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2015-12-17 17:45 -0800
Message-ID	<56736520.4671@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to	#539978

Sam Wormley wrote:
> 
> On 12/17/15 5:13 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The reason why you cannot travel into the future is because..
> > time stops.
> 
>    Try not to be so stooopid -- we are traveling into the future
>    right now.
> 
> 
 

all at the same time? one second at a time? can i jump in front of you,
i want to see you arriving.

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#538140

From	Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-08 21:47 -0600
Message-ID	<AYGdnee6PrjyOfrLnZ2dnUU7-VudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#538029

On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> It's like a mantra.
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"


   Perhaps that is because there IS NO EDGE to the universe
   and some people have to hear it more than once before the get it.

   No Center
     http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
     http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

   Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
     http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
     http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
     http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html

   WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
     http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

   WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
     http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html


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#538210

From	Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org>
Date	2015-12-09 16:40 +0000
Message-ID	<n49lhp$4ni$4@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#538140

Sam Wormley

> On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> It's like a mantra.
>> "There is no edge to the universe"
>> "There is no edge to the universe"
>> "There is no edge to the universe"
> 
>    Perhaps that is because there IS NO EDGE to the universe and some
>    people have to hear it more than once before the get it.

There must be, as that Universe allegedly got created from a restrictive
delimited area, territory or control volume. That MUST have at least one
continuous edge. (allocated Normal vector to it, of course) (check you
Mathematics background. And make sure)

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#538241

From	gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com>
Date	2015-12-09 12:26 -0600
Message-ID	<n49rpl$neo$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#538029

On 12/8/2015 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".
>
> How many times have you heard that?
>
> It seems...
> there is a small group of people..
> in the 'scientific community'..
> there is this ..belief or opinion, that
> "There is no edge to the universe".

> They, go as far as telling everyone
> "There is no edge to the universe".
>
> They will get together
> and come up with
> all kinds of explanations,
> and numbers, to Why and How
> "There is no edge to the universe".
>
> It's like a mantra.
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
>
> And if you disagree with them...
> they will have you shot!


ask them,
    "if there is no edge to the universe, how can it keep expanding ? "

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#538343

From	noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-09 18:03 -0800
Message-ID	<14086b20-7ae4-4dd7-a549-58ab90685bdc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#538241

it's just redshifting by the medium of free space;
see Alfven cosomology

> ask them,
>     "if there is no edge to the universe, how can it keep expanding ? "

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#538399

From	Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-10 09:52 -0600
Message-ID	<LI6dnfvDuNdfAvTLnZ2dnUU7-SudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#538029

On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".

   You are correct -- no edge.

   How can the Universe be infinite if it was all concentrated into
   a point at the Big Bang?
> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

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#538406

From	Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org>
Date	2015-12-10 16:01 +0000
Message-ID	<n4c7li$79n$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#538399

Il giorno mercoledì Thu, 10 Dec 2015 09:52:33 -0600, Sam Wormley
<swormley1@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> On 12/8/15 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".
>    You are correct -- no edge.
>    How can the Universe be infinite if it was all concentrated into a
>    point at the Big Bang?
>> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

You ask the wrong question, dude. According to the statement you quote, 
you should ask "how can the Universe not have an edge "if it was all 
concentrated into a point at the big bang" ". Your arguments comes out of 
your sorry ass.

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#538487

From	trudi.schwander@gmail.com
Date	2015-12-10 12:03 -0800
Message-ID	<7072d40d-5e27-4189-acdb-8a79b5f995b7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#538029

On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 7:23:08 PM UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote:
> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".
> 
> How many times have you heard that?
> 
> It seems...
> there is a small group of people..
> in the 'scientific community'..
> there is this ..belief or opinion, that
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> They, go as far as telling everyone
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> They will get together
> and come up with
> all kinds of explanations,
> and numbers, to Why and How
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> It's like a mantra.
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> 
> And if you disagree with them...
> they will have you shot!
> 
> So, why the mantra?
> 
> Who discovered that there
> is no edge to the universe?
> 
> Did they send Columbus to look??
> 
> They will have you believe that
> the universe is infinite. That is just
> a ploy to have you believe...
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> Get it? It's a con!
> 
> 
> con
> kän/
> 
>     1.
>     persuade (someone) to do or believe something, typically by use of a deception.
>     
> noun
> noun: con; plural noun: cons
> 
>     1.
>     an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
> 
> 
> The Question of course is...what is behind these people 
> from trying to convince everyone that
>  there is no edge to the universe?
> 
> Why are they  trying to deceive you?
> 
> 
> The truth is, they don't even want you to question it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
> the unchallengeable.

The curvature of space and the illusion of infinity

Both physicists and religious leaders incorporate infinity when describ-ing reality. Physicists claim that the universe is infinite in its size, while religious leaders claim that god is infinite in his power and his wisdom.  But infinity can exist only in mathematics and in imaginations.  We have no problems in imagining infinity. That is because compared to the universe, we are so small and compared to god, we are so lacking, and compared to the age of the universe, our life span is so short. Many physicists agree with religious leaders that there is no beginning of time. They both claim that time is infinite.  It is easy to imagine time to be infinite, because our fleeting moment of reality is so very short and we move so very slowly compared to the speed of light. Time exists only as a man-made concept of measuring motion.  Man, for all intents and purposes, is motionless, and lives and dies at the same place in the vast universe where he is born.    

It is also easy to imagine space to be infinite, because the space we find ourselves in on the earth is so very small compared to the size of the universe. Space exists only as a frame of reference for measuring position. Man, for all intents and purposes, lives on a 2 dimensional finite surface without any edges and without a center. This is because we are stuck on a very large extending film that is insignificantly thin, the surface of the sphere, our earth.  Stuck on the ground, we can choose a direction, and be able to travel in that direction without ever reaching an edge. This is an illusion of infinity. In that light, the entire universe can be looked on as if it occupies a relatively thin shell of a finite area of a relatively large sphere. This shell is without any edges or a center. Its 2 inner surfaces are like mirrors reflecting all light inbe-tween. As we look at the sky, we see its vast extension within the shell. As we look directly up, out of the shell, light is reflected and is guided and kept within the shell.  There is no edge or center to the universe just like there is no edge or center to our earth`s surface.  Not having an edge or center is an illusion of infinity. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H_I-Drl68c

andrew vecsey

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#538498

From	Double-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date	2015-12-10 13:11 -0800
Message-ID	<e71dcd9d-599c-4f9b-b229-81750fc1a44f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#538029

On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:23:08 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".
> 
> How many times have you heard that?
> 
> It seems...
> there is a small group of people..
> in the 'scientific community'..
> there is this ..belief or opinion, that
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> They, go as far as telling everyone
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> They will get together
> and come up with
> all kinds of explanations,
> and numbers, to Why and How
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> It's like a mantra.
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> 
> And if you disagree with them...
> they will have you shot!
> 
> So, why the mantra?
> 
> Who discovered that there
> is no edge to the universe?
> 
> Did they send Columbus to look??
> 
> They will have you believe that
> the universe is infinite. That is just
> a ploy to have you believe...
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> Get it? It's a con!
> 
> 
> con
> kän/
> 
>     1.
>     persuade (someone) to do or believe something, typically by use of a deception.
>     
> noun
> noun: con; plural noun: cons
> 
>     1.
>     an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
> 
> 
> The Question of course is...what is behind these people 
> from trying to convince everyone that
>  there is no edge to the universe?
> 
> Why are they  trying to deceive you?
> 
> 
> The truth is, they don't even want you to question it.


The truth is that the nature of the universe is being revealed to be more like that envisioned by Giordano Bruno than Einstein.

Double-A

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#538509

From	Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-10 15:38 -0600
Message-ID	<O_mdnYRRyclNbfTLnZ2dnUU7-YnOydjZ@giganews.com>
In reply to	#538498

On 12/10/15 3:11 PM, Double-A wrote:
> The truth is that the nature of the universe is being revealed to be
> more like that envisioned by Giordano Bruno than Einstein.
>
> Double-A
>

   How so? Where do they differ?

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#538667

From	Double-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date	2015-12-11 14:04 -0800
Message-ID	<ac229704-6064-49ba-a794-e28a42a7ef60@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#538509

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 1:38:26 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 12/10/15 3:11 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > The truth is that the nature of the universe is being revealed to be
> > more like that envisioned by Giordano Bruno than Einstein.
> >
> > Double-A
> >
> 
>    How so? Where do they differ?
> 


Space in endless.

Double-A

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#538634

From	"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-11 10:59 -0800
Message-ID	<98db7b8e-546d-4eae-adad-04b28a4e8af7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#538029

On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 10:23:08 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> "There Is No Edge To The Universe".
> 
> How many times have you heard that?
> 
> It seems...
> there is a small group of people..
> in the 'scientific community'..
> there is this ..belief or opinion, that
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> They, go as far as telling everyone
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> They will get together
> and come up with
> all kinds of explanations,
> and numbers, to Why and How
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> It's like a mantra.
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> "There is no edge to the universe"
> 
> And if you disagree with them...
> they will have you shot!
> 
> So, why the mantra?
> 
> Who discovered that there
> is no edge to the universe?
> 
> Did they send Columbus to look??
> 
> They will have you believe that
> the universe is infinite. That is just
> a ploy to have you believe...
> "There is no edge to the universe".
> 
> Get it? It's a con!
> 
> 
> con
> kän/
> 
>     1.
>     persuade (someone) to do or believe something, typically by use of a deception.
>     
> noun
> noun: con; plural noun: cons
> 
>     1.
>     an instance of deceiving or tricking someone.
> 
> 
> The Question of course is...what is behind these people 
> from trying to convince everyone that
>  there is no edge to the universe?
> 
> Why are they  trying to deceive you?
> 
> 
> The truth is, they don't even want you to question it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
> the unchallengeable.

There are an infinite # of universes,and none of them touch.Nor can they ever touch.Treb and I are safe for that reason.Its part of my TIME LAPSE THEORY  TreBert

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#538642

From	Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-11 13:16 -0600
Message-ID	<daKdnVrwT8u6vPbLnZ2dnUU7-TednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#538634

On 12/11/15 12:59 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> Its part of my TIME LAPSE THEORY

   Reber, you don't have a time lapse theory. No documentation, no
   mathematics, no testable predictions. No nothing!

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#538656

From	"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-11 13:27 -0800
Message-ID	<5d1b0659-1ff8-492c-a255-affbc75d312f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#538642

On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 11:16:58 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 12/11/15 12:59 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > Its part of my TIME LAPSE THEORY
> 
>    Reber, you don't have a time lapse theory. No documentation, no
>    mathematics, no testable predictions. No nothing!
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

Sam I am a clever person .A gifted thinker.I have answers to hard questions(always) I understand equasions,anbd have given out 100s of my G=EMC^2 to be framed.It is painted in oils.It has great Christmas meaning.Today I'm color printing over 200.I give them out to friends in Anaheim,and Fullerton.I love Christmas.All those that are part of M*M know this to be reality.On 9th of Feb. I wsll be 88 and yet 3 days ago working in a drive way I put a timimg belt and water pump in a 2004 KIA. I'm proud of that.TreBert.Sam we use to be friends so if you would like my G=EMC*2 and Chief Grey Cloud it would be my free gift to you.Its nice to be nice all days of a year.

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#538700

From	HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-11 17:06 -0800
Message-ID	<2574a7f0-e9b6-443f-95b0-c332dfcece1a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#538656

show quoted text -
Sam I am a clever person .A gifted thinker.I have answers to hard questions(always) I understand equasions,anbd have given out 100s of my G=EMC^2 to be framed.It is painted in oils.It has great Christmas meaning.Today I'm color printing over 200.I give them out to friends in Anaheim,and Fullerton.I love Christmas.All those that are part of M*M know this to be reality
----------

Bert's shitfaced again. Read what he wrote above in a drunken voice...

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#538734

From	Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-11 22:58 -0600
Message-ID	<K6ydnaKGP5nkNPbLnZ2dnUU7-aGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#538656

On 12/11/15 3:27 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> Sam I am a clever person .A gifted thinker.I have answers to hard questions(always)


   Unfortunately you never put answers in to practice. You never do
   anything. It's all just bullshit.  And the Bar Maid will nod her
   head yes as long as you keep forking over some money.



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#538773

From	"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-12 12:16 -0800
Message-ID	<f721c648-d932-4919-aaf5-3fe4598cb19c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#538734

On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 8:58:37 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 12/11/15 3:27 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> > Sam I am a clever person .A gifted thinker.I have answers to hard questions(always)
> 
> 
>    Unfortunately you never put answers in to practice. You never do
>    anything. It's all just bullshit.  And the Bar Maid will nod her
>    head yes as long as you keep forking over some money.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.

The bar maid first was mentioned by Bohr to show short an easily worded theories were best. I go with Bohr   TreBert

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#538803

From	benj <none@gmail.com>
Date	2015-12-12 20:05 -0500
Message-ID	<pv3by.25334$v02.1046@fx36.iad>
In reply to	#538773

On 12/12/2015 03:16 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Friday, December 11, 2015 at 8:58:37 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 12/11/15 3:27 PM, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
>>> Sam I am a clever person .A gifted thinker.I have answers to hard questions(always)
>>
>>
>>     Unfortunately you never put answers in to practice. You never do
>>     anything. It's all just bullshit.  And the Bar Maid will nod her
>>     head yes as long as you keep forking over some money.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
>> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
>> community, and physics-related social issues.
>
> The bar maid first was mentioned by Bohr to show short an easily worded theories were best. I go with Bohr   TreBert
>
"Spin is In"
That says it all, Herb and is right on the money!

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