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| First post | 2015-11-20 17:45 -0600 |
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Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 17:45 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 16:09 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 20:51 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 22:02 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-20 23:48 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:27 +0100
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 05:13 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:57 +0100
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:44 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 20:01 +0100
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 14:17 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 20:01 +0100
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 14:22 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 11:18 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 14:26 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 11:33 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:32 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-21 12:01 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:24 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:54 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:36 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-21 13:43 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:57 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-21 15:26 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-11-21 23:01 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 17:07 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-21 15:27 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 15:58 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-21 17:16 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 17:32 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 00:58 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-21 23:27 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:40 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:01 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-22 12:45 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 00:47 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:43 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 08:05 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbertopal.org> - 2015-11-21 14:18 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:48 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-23 10:21 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-23 17:34 +0100
Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 08:44 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 13:02 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-23 11:31 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 15:54 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-23 13:43 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 16:49 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-23 16:17 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 13:54 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-24 16:52 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-24 22:24 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-21 06:43 -0500
Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:45 -0500
Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". "Notroll2015" <notroll2015@charter.net> - 2015-11-21 12:51 -0600
Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". Edward Stansfield <stansfield5REM6@linuxmail.org> - 2015-11-21 14:11 -0500
Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:51 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 11:27 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:42 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 17:01 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-21 21:16 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Gatuzo <Gatuzo@gallaxial.com> - 2015-11-22 00:23 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 01:20 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 01:18 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:06 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 06:36 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 00:54 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-21 20:37 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-21 21:06 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-22 11:43 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 09:01 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-22 14:59 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-22 14:02 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 16:32 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-22 22:52 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-23 10:51 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-24 17:07 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-24 22:48 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-24 21:47 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-25 10:32 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 09:47 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-25 23:31 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 21:36 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-26 14:22 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-26 14:27 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-26 17:34 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-01 21:52 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-25 09:59 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 11:16 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 08:40 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-25 11:02 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbBertopal.org> - 2015-11-25 17:37 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-25 18:47 +0100
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbBertopal.org> - 2015-11-25 18:11 +0000
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 10:06 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 14:04 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-25 17:50 +0100
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 10:01 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 14:05 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 12:42 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 13:18 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 22:16 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 08:31 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 08:11 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 10:21 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 09:23 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 10:19 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 16:35 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 14:51 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 17:30 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 18:16 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 20:23 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 21:23 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 21:31 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 09:25 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 12:03 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 14:50 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 16:43 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-12-03 17:12 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 17:35 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 19:36 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 22:40 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 23:10 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 07:45 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-04 13:13 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-04 21:31 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-12-04 23:17 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-05 00:04 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-12-05 17:28 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-05 23:14 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-05 12:14 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-05 18:08 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-06 17:50 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-06 20:04 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 07:39 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 15:09 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-07 21:50 +0100
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 19:33 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 10:34 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 13:26 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 14:49 -0500
Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 09:21 -0600
Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-12-02 22:01 -0800
Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 23:04 -0800
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| From | Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-25 13:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3b4a811c-f277-4b3a-a7d0-6483b9ecd329@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #535450 |
On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:42:40 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote: > Sam Wormley wrote: > > > > On 11/25/15 12:01 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > > What do you mean by "what we can observe"? You get on a boat.. > > > you keep going until you reached the end of the universe, then...you observe. > > > > There isn't any "end of the universe"! :-o > > > > -- > > Did you bother to look? O Truancy bother Brother, Emoticons are a language now?! How quaint. The Bigger, Better, Bangier question is this: Where is The Universe? Q: What did the one AI experiMentalist say to the other? A: It's soft what you wear <SomeKindOfEmoticonGoesHere@#>! -- Maℎipal “IPMM... I P a lot Lot LOT S(y)ndrome... Man's Mother?!”
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| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-01 22:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c8f2497a-0a91-49cf-86c2-f0ce12271210@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #535463 |
On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 1:18:15 PM UTC-8, Mahipal wrote: > On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 3:42:40 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote: > > Sam Wormley wrote: > > > > > > On 11/25/15 12:01 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > What do you mean by "what we can observe"? You get on a boat.. > > > > you keep going until you reached the end of the universe, then...you observe. > > > > > > There isn't any "end of the universe"! :-o > > > > > > -- > > > > Did you bother to look? > > O Truancy bother Brother, Emoticons are a language now?! How quaint. > > The Bigger, Better, Bangier question is this: Where is The Universe? > > Q: What did the one AI experiMentalist say to the other? > A: It's soft what you wear <SomeKindOfEmoticonGoesHere@#>! > The Universe contains itself. With a mathematical universe hypothesis, some ToE's mathematical universe is a collection of things, all things, that includes itself. It's almost a paradox or a riddle but somehow it's simply the neatest most organized way things can be. The Universe as a set would also be its own powerset so we get into the continuum of real numbers then with new foundations to so accommodate that.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 08:31 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <XrWdnTOoP9g3ncLLnZ2dnUU7-SsAAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #536931 |
On 12/2/15 12:16 AM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> The Universe contains itself.
No -- The universe just is, and it has no boundaries.
No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 08:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <565F1832.780D@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #536954 |
Sam Wormley wrote: > > On 12/2/15 12:16 AM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote: > > The Universe contains itself. > > No -- The universe just is, and it has no boundaries. Well, of course it has boundaries, otherwise it would not be called a universe. A universe means one measurement. You cannot measure that which has no boundaries. If you take a ruler and measure the universe...you measure from the edge of the universe to the other side.. and you got the width. Do you believe God can create a universe that he cannot measure...because he cannot find the border. When you make soap bubbles.. doesn't it have a border an opening before it seals itself? The top of the universe is point A The bottom of the universe is point B
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 10:21 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <XrWdnSioP9jnh8LLnZ2dnUU7-SudnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #536980 |
On 12/2/15 10:11 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Sam Wormley wrote:
>> No -- The universe just is, and it has no boundaries.
> Well, of course it has boundaries, otherwise it would not be called a
> universe.
No -- the universe has no boundary, no center, no edge.
No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
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| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 09:23 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bac7043b-3bc6-40e1-84cb-6ee9ec453003@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #536984 |
On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 12/2/15 10:11 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Sam Wormley wrote:
> >> No -- The universe just is, and it has no boundaries.
>
> > Well, of course it has boundaries, otherwise it would not be called a
> > universe.
>
>
> No -- the universe has no boundary, no center, no edge.
>
> No Center
> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
>
> Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
> http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
>
> WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
> http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
>
> WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
> http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
>
It's "the" Universe and we don' need a "multiple
worlds interpretation" (and it's unscientific i.e.
unfalsifiable). It's "the" Universe and by definition
there just the one and ALL.
This "mathematical universe hypothesis" might go
with a Mathematical Platonist's view that numbers
are somehow "real" then for that mathematical physics
is the proper physics (and _that's_ generally fal-
sifiable) then that laws of symmetry and conservation
in numbers are somehow these emergent properties in
physics.
Particles can be both "deterministic" and "stochastic",
there's no need for MWI to have the richness in variety
and diversity in all there could be throughout the
Universe. That the same physical laws hold is of
properties of numbers themselves and even a logical
and philosophical reasoning, only "imagination" in the
sense of imagining a purely logical scientific theory
of mathematical physics ("A-Theory").
About "local effects of the theosophical", that's a
means of reasoning about the il-logical, in this
generic sense of "a logical Universe".
The origin is everywhere, the center is an abstraction,
we're all in the middle, the edge is a side between us,
the universe is unbounded, and to look all the way
across we'd see where we'd been.
Time goes back forever, space goes on forever, in this
space-time tee that reflects in mathematical resources
(Janus' introspection or the dually-self-infraconsistent)
action in the space-time wheel and a thinker's means to
be a part of the universe.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 10:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <565F3624.7226@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #536984 |
Okay, I'll help you with this.... The universe is contained inside...space. The space is expanding to give more room for the universe. The universe needs more room for new stars to be born. The Starmaker The Starmaker wrote: > > Sam Wormley wrote: > > > > On 12/2/15 12:16 AM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote: > > > The Universe contains itself. > > > > No -- The universe just is, and it has no boundaries. > > Well, of course it has boundaries, otherwise it would not be called a > universe. > > A universe means one measurement. You cannot measure that which has no > boundaries. > > If you take a ruler > and measure the > universe...you > measure from the edge > of the universe to > the other side.. > and you got the width. > > Do you believe God > can create a universe that > he cannot measure...because > he cannot find the border. > > When you make > soap bubbles.. > doesn't it have > a border > an opening > before it seals itself? > > The top of the universe is point A > > The bottom of the universe is point B Sam Wormley wrote: > > On 12/2/15 10:11 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Sam Wormley wrote: > >> No -- The universe just is, and it has no boundaries. > > > Well, of course it has boundaries, otherwise it would not be called a > > universe. > > No -- the universe has no boundary, no center, no edge. > > No Center > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html > > Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html > > WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory > http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html > > WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology > http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html > > -- > > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics > community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 16:35 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <pcCdnYE3p9OG78LLnZ2dnUU7-fOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #537007 |
On 12/2/15 12:19 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > The universe needs more room for new stars to be born. Stars are formed from hydrogen and helium, which was all created in the first three minutes, so you have to accept the there will never be a new source of those primordial elements. After 13.7+ billion years, the universe is already showing decline in the formation of new stars. Eventually there will be no new stars and the universe will be on it's way to a heat death. We live in a sweet spot of the evolution of the universe. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 14:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4b7e7bca-9222-43fd-a531-1abca6185a6f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #537033 |
On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 2:35:10 PM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 12/2/15 12:19 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > The universe needs more room for new stars to be born. > > Stars are formed from hydrogen and helium, which was all > created in the first three minutes, so you have to accept > the there will never be a new source of those primordial > elements. > > After 13.7+ billion years, the universe is already showing > decline in the formation of new stars. Eventually there will > be no new stars and the universe will be on it's way to a > heat death. > > We live in a sweet spot of the evolution of the universe. > There's a notion that it's 'each of' heat death, cold death, and big crunch, just like there's a notion that it's both 'big bang' and 'steady state'. This is for the usual development of decisive 'paradoxes' for their resolution as illustrating new theoretical symmetries in nature.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 17:30 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <pcCdnb83p9OL4sLLnZ2dnUU7-fOdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #537037 |
On 12/2/15 4:51 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote: > There's a notion that it's 'each of' heat death, cold death, and big > crunch, just like there's a notion that it's both 'big bang' and > 'steady state'. These have been sorted out -- Nobel Prizes along the way. DuckDuckGo is your Friend. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 18:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <565FA604.1DA0@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #537033 |
Sam Wormley wrote: > > On 12/2/15 12:19 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > The universe needs more room for new stars to be born. > > Stars are formed from hydrogen and helium, which was all > created in the first three minutes, so you have to accept > the there will never be a new source of those primordial > elements. > > After 13.7+ billion years, the universe is already showing > decline in the formation of new stars. Eventually there will > be no new stars and the universe will be on it's way to a > heat death. > > We live in a sweet spot of the evolution of the universe. > > -- > > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics > community, and physics-related social issues. you don't seem to know how stars are born... If you look at all the new born movie stars today.. you will find that they are the children of stars. In the celestrial world...new born stars come from major stars like...supernovas. You might not know this... but stars, ...all stars get their engery from other stars... through a pipeline that connects to other stars. In order to see the pipeline that connects the stars and lets the energy flow from one star to the other star...you might need to...Picture It. The Starmaker
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 20:23 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <8PydnaAvLqELOsLLnZ2dnUU7-ImdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #537059 |
On 12/2/15 8:16 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 21:23 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <565FD1BC.6855@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #537062 |
Sam Wormley wrote: > > On 12/2/15 8:16 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > In the celestrial world...new born stars come from major stars > > like...supernovas. > > ## # > ## # > ######################################### > ######################################### > ## ###### > ## ########## > ############ > ############## > ############# > ############# > ############## > ############# > ############## > ############# > ############## > ############# # > ############# # > ######################################### > ######################################### > # > > ######## > ############### > ################## > ##################### > #### #### > ## ## > ## ## > ## ## > ## ### > ## ## > #### #### > ##################### > ################## > ############### > ######## > > -- > > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics > community, and physics-related social issues. Even 'your people' will tell you... "From the Remains, New Stars Arise The dust and debris left behind by novae and supernovae eventually blend with the surrounding interstellar gas and dust, enriching it with the heavy elements and chemical compounds produced during stellar death. Eventually, those materials are recycled, providing the building blocks for a new generation of stars and accompanying planetary systems." http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/how-do-stars-form-and-evolve/ Try and tell them No, see if they listen....see if you matter. The Starmaker
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-02 21:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <565FD3A5.1177@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #537095 |
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-03 09:25 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ur2dnY560pZ_w_3LnZ2dnUU7-N2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #537096 |
On 12/2/15 11:31 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > The dust and debris left behind by novae and supernovae eventually > blend with the surrounding interstellar gas and dust, enriching it > with the heavy elements and chemical compounds produced during > stellar death. Eventually, those materials are recycled, providing > the building blocks for a new generation of stars and accompanying > planetary systems." > New stars might have a percent or two of debris from all previous supernova explosions, but they are formed from hydrogen and helium of interstellar clouds. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-03 12:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5660A006.7E6C@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #537140 |
Sam Wormley wrote:
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> On 12/2/15 11:31 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The dust and debris left behind by novae and supernovae eventually
> > blend with the surrounding interstellar gas and dust, enriching it
> > with the heavy elements and chemical compounds produced during
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> > planetary systems."
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> supernova explosions, but they are formed from hydrogen and
> helium of interstellar clouds.
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but you wrote:
"there will never be a new source of those primordial
elements." -Sam Wormley
Sam Wormley wrote:
> Stars are formed from hydrogen and helium, which was all
> created in the first three minutes, so you have to accept
> the there will never be a new source of those primordial
> elements.
Aren't you wrong and contradicting yourself????
'A nebula is an interstellar cloud in outer space that is made up of dust, hydrogen and helium gas.'
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-03 14:50 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <PsOdnTQprL2dNv3LnZ2dnUU7-XmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #537195 |
On 12/3/15 2:03 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Sam Wormley wrote: >> Stars are formed from hydrogen and helium, which was all >> created in the first three minutes, so you have to accept >> the there will never be a new source of those primordial >> elements. > > > Aren't you wrong and contradicting yourself???? > > 'A nebula is an interstellar cloud in outer space that is made up of dust, hydrogen and helium gas.' > Most of the hydrogen and helium in the universe has not been involved in star formation. The amount of matter, hydrogen in particular, was created in the BB and there is essentially no new source of hydrogen. To a lesser extent this is also true for helium, other the creation of helium in main sequence stars. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-03 16:43 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5660E1A2.61C1@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #537204 |
Sam Wormley wrote: > > On 12/3/15 2:03 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Sam Wormley wrote: > >> Stars are formed from hydrogen and helium, which was all > >> created in the first three minutes, so you have to accept > >> the there will never be a new source of those primordial > >> elements. > > > > > > > Aren't you wrong and contradicting yourself???? > > > > 'A nebula is an interstellar cloud in outer space that is made up of dust, hydrogen and helium gas.' > > > > Most of the hydrogen and helium in the universe has not been involved > in star formation. The amount of matter, hydrogen in particular, was > created in the BB and there is essentially no new source of hydrogen. > To a lesser extent this is also true for helium, other the creation of > helium in main sequence stars. > I don't think you know what you're talking about...let me help you again. There is plenty of hydrogen and helium in the universe. Stars make hydrogen and helium all the time. What others don't know is how stars get more hydrogen and helium... there is a pipeline.. this pipline connects to all the stars in the universe... that is where all the stars get their hydrogen and helium.. through the pipeline. If the pipeline does not reach or gets disconnected from a star then that stars begins to die. If you look closely at the first 3 minutes after the big bang you can see very faintly the pipeline delivering the hydrogen and helium and other ingredients to all the stars. http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/TheStarmaker1/slideshow/?albumview=slideshow All stars are connected to the pipeline. It's how stars are manufactured. I should know...I'm The Starmaker
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-12-03 17:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <da824632-5b0b-4f62-b826-70ba45fd92d6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #537255 |
On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 4:43:09 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > There is plenty of hydrogen and helium in the universe. > > Stars make hydrogen and helium all the time. Not even close. Stars fuse hydrogen into helium, but they do not generate hydrogen. <rest of "pipeline" fiction snipped>
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-03 17:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <5660EDE4.193F@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #537259 |
pnalsing@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 4:43:09 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > > > There is plenty of hydrogen and helium in the universe. > > > > Stars make hydrogen and helium all the time. > > Not even close. Stars fuse hydrogen into helium, but they do not generate hydrogen. > > <rest of "pipeline" fiction snipped> Once a star's pipeline is disconnected...they run out of hydrogen. They need to be connected to the pipeline to have more hydrogen and helium. In other words...stars get their energy from outside sources. The Starmaker A movie star doesn't become a star or a major star without a source of energy from outside itself. In celestrial worlds, the principles are the same. > I don't think you know what you're talking about...let me help you again. > > There is plenty of hydrogen and helium in the universe. > > Stars make hydrogen and helium all the time. > > What others don't know is > how stars get more hydrogen and helium... > > there is a pipeline.. > this pipline connects > to all the stars in the universe... > that is where all the stars get their > hydrogen and helium.. > through the pipeline. > > If the pipeline does not reach > or gets disconnected from a star > then that stars begins to die. > > If you look closely at the first 3 minutes after the big bang you can see very faintly the pipeline delivering the > hydrogen and helium and other ingredients to all the stars. > > http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/TheStarmaker1/slideshow/?albumview=slideshow > > All stars are connected to the pipeline. > > It's how stars are manufactured. > > I should know...I'm > > The Starmaker
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