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Re: Where is the center of the universe?

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  Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 17:45 -0600
    Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 16:09 -0800
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 20:51 -0500
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 22:02 -0500
    Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-20 23:48 -0800
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:27 +0100
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 05:13 -0500
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:57 +0100
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:44 -0500
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 20:01 +0100
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 14:17 -0500
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 20:01 +0100
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 14:22 -0500
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 11:18 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 14:26 -0500
                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 11:33 -0800
                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:32 -0500
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-21 12:01 -0800
                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:24 -0800
                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:54 -0800
                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:36 -0500
                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-21 13:43 -0800
                      Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:57 -0800
                        Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-21 15:26 -0800
                      Re: Where is the center of the universe? R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-11-21 23:01 +0000
                        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 17:07 -0600
                        Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-21 15:27 -0800
                          Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 15:58 -0800
                            Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-21 17:16 -0800
                              Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 17:32 -0800
                              Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 00:58 -0500
                                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-21 23:27 -0800
                                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:40 -0500
                                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:01 -0600
                                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-22 12:45 -0800
                          Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 00:47 -0500
                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:43 -0500
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 08:05 -0600
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbertopal.org> - 2015-11-21 14:18 +0000
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:48 -0500
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-23 10:21 -0600
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-23 17:34 +0100
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 08:44 -0800
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 13:02 -0500
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-23 11:31 -0800
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 15:54 -0500
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-23 13:43 -0800
                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 16:49 -0500
                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-23 16:17 -0800
                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 13:54 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-24 16:52 -0500
                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-24 22:24 +0000
    Re: Where is the center of the universe? dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-21 06:43 -0500
      Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:45 -0500
        Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". "Notroll2015" <notroll2015@charter.net> - 2015-11-21 12:51 -0600
        Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". Edward Stansfield <stansfield5REM6@linuxmail.org> - 2015-11-21 14:11 -0500
          Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:51 -0500
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 11:27 -0800
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 16:42 -0500
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 17:01 -0800
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-21 21:16 -0800
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Gatuzo <Gatuzo@gallaxial.com> - 2015-11-22 00:23 -0500
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 01:20 -0500
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 01:18 -0500
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:06 -0600
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 06:36 -0800
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 00:54 -0500
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-21 20:37 +0000
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-21 21:06 -0800
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-22 11:43 +0000
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 09:01 -0500
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-22 14:59 +0000
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-22 14:02 -0800
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 16:32 -0600
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-22 22:52 +0000
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-23 10:51 -0600
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-24 17:07 -0500
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-24 22:48 +0000
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-24 21:47 -0800
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-25 10:32 +0000
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 09:47 -0800
                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-25 23:31 +0000
                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 21:36 -0800
                      Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-26 14:22 -0800
                        Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-26 14:27 -0800
                      Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-26 17:34 -0800
                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-01 21:52 -0800
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-25 09:59 -0600
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 11:16 -0500
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 08:40 -0800
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-25 11:02 -0600
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbBertopal.org> - 2015-11-25 17:37 +0000
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-25 18:47 +0100
                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbBertopal.org> - 2015-11-25 18:11 +0000
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 10:06 -0800
                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 14:04 -0600
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-25 17:50 +0100
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 10:01 -0800
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 14:05 -0600
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 12:42 -0800
                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 13:18 -0800
                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 22:16 -0800
                      Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 08:31 -0600
                        Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 08:11 -0800
                          Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 10:21 -0600
                            Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 09:23 -0800
                            Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 10:19 -0800
                              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 16:35 -0600
                                Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 14:51 -0800
                                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 17:30 -0600
                                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 18:16 -0800
                                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 20:23 -0600
                                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 21:23 -0800
                                      Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 21:31 -0800
                                        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 09:25 -0600
                                          Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 12:03 -0800
                                            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 14:50 -0600
                                              Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 16:43 -0800
                                                Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-12-03 17:12 -0800
                                                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 17:35 -0800
                                                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 19:36 -0600
                                                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 22:40 -0800
                                                      Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-03 23:10 -0800
                                                        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 07:45 -0600
                                                          Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-04 13:13 -0800
                                                            Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-04 21:31 -0800
                                                              Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-12-04 23:17 -0800
                                                                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-05 00:04 -0800
                                                                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-12-05 17:28 -0800
                                                                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-05 23:14 -0800
                                                            Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-05 12:14 -0800
                                                              Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-05 18:08 -0800
                                                                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-06 17:50 -0800
                                                                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-06 20:04 -0600
                                                      Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 07:39 -0600
                                                        Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 15:09 -0500
                                                          Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-07 21:50 +0100
                                                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 19:33 -0600
                                                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 10:34 -0800
                                                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 13:26 -0600
                                                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 14:49 -0500
                                      Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 09:21 -0600
                                  Re: Where is the center of the universe? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-12-02 22:01 -0800
                                    Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-02 23:04 -0800

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#534420

From	benj <none@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-21 16:36 -0500
Message-ID	<Ot54y.86164$rM.81325@fx16.iad>
In reply to	#534404

On 11/21/2015 03:24 PM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>
>>> Numbers are infinite.
>>
>> Yes, but infinity is not a number...
>
> Various formalizations or systems or
> theories of numbers (in number theory)
> include a "point at infinity", 1-point
> compactification of the integers, or
> 2-point compactification of the reals
> (points at infinity), for "meromorphic
> analysis" as part of "free analysis on
> the plane", etcetera.
>
> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
>
> Some have that most of the integers, or,
> say, half of them, are infinite.
>
> This is also about how sometimes the
> integers are unsigned and like odometer
> or clock arithmetic and how, for example
> in physics, there is "infinity equals
> negative one", for example "minus one
> temperature is hotter than the Sun".
>
> So, besides trans-finite cardinals and
> ordinals as "infinite numbers", there
> are a wide variety of other considerations
> and including their import and applications
> throughout number theory and applications.

Yada, yada, yada. Nothing in math is reality. It's ALL fantasy. You 
can't use fantasy to "prove" the nature of reality. Math is not more 
real than reality no matter what that nutjob HVAC says.




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#534423

From	pnalsing@gmail.com
Date	2015-11-21 13:43 -0800
Message-ID	<c83d04d8-2da5-4838-a8f0-89e5a67fd814@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#534404

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > 
> > > Numbers are infinite.
> > 
> > Yes, but infinity is not a number...

> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?

Yes.

> This is also about how sometimes the 
> integers are unsigned and like odometer 
> or clock arithmetic and how, for example 
> in physics, there is "infinity equals 
> negative one"

There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite series and get an actual number!

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#534429

From	"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-21 13:57 -0800
Message-ID	<8a141627-9d79-4f1f-807a-92755c9ab959@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#534423

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 1:43:11 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Numbers are infinite.
> > > 
> > > Yes, but infinity is not a number...
> 
> > Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > This is also about how sometimes the 
> > integers are unsigned and like odometer 
> > or clock arithmetic and how, for example 
> > in physics, there is "infinity equals 
> > negative one"
> 
> There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite series and get an actual number!

"One twelvth Euler"?  Don't you mean "e^ (i pi) = 1"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_formula

Root(s) of unity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_of_unity

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#534450

From	pnalsing@gmail.com
Date	2015-11-21 15:26 -0800
Message-ID	<81d2d9d2-7216-499f-b98a-3d4b203ba3ef@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#534429

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 1:57:41 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 1:43:11 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Numbers are infinite.
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, but infinity is not a number...
> > 
> > > Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > > This is also about how sometimes the 
> > > integers are unsigned and like odometer 
> > > or clock arithmetic and how, for example 
> > > in physics, there is "infinity equals 
> > > negative one"
> > 
> > There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite series and get an actual number!
> 
> "One twelvth Euler"?  Don't you mean "e^ (i pi) = 1"?

No, see this...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/01/17/infinite_series_when_the_sum_of_all_positive_integers_is_a_small_negative.html

... be sure to view the video.

It is wrong, of course, because that infinite series is NOT a number...

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#534441

From	R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com>
Date	2015-11-21 23:01 +0000
Message-ID	<n2qt3q$j86$2@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#534423

pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>> > > Numbers are infinite.
>> > Yes, but infinity is not a number...
>> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
> Yes.
>> This is also about how sometimes the 
>> integers are unsigned and like odometer 
>> or clock arithmetic and how, for example 
>> in physics, there is "infinity equals 
>> negative one"
> There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves 
that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite 
series and get an actual number!

Urk?
1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+... == 2?


Some infinite series can add to an actual number.

-- 
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he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he 
is very probably wrong. 
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#534444

From	Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-21 17:07 -0600
Message-ID	<96idndNQBZHVZM3LnZ2dnUU7-UOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#534441

On 11/21/15 5:01 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>>>> Numbers are infinite.
>>>> Yes, but infinity is not a number...
>>> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
>> Yes.
>>> This is also about how sometimes the
>>> integers are unsigned and like odometer
>>> or clock arithmetic and how, for example
>>> in physics, there is "infinity equals
>>> negative one"
>> There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves
> that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite
> series and get an actual number!
>
> Urk?
> 1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+... == 2?
>
>
> Some infinite series can add to an actual number.
>

   Even infinite series adding up to π -- an actual real number.
   As you know, Kym, real numbers include all rational and irrational
   numbers; pi is defined as an irrational number. Some posters here
   don't even understand what we are talking about.

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#534451

From	pnalsing@gmail.com
Date	2015-11-21 15:27 -0800
Message-ID	<8278f9e9-ca24-47a5-bbc7-350751652fd4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#534441

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-8, Kym Horsell wrote:
> pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >> > > Numbers are infinite.
> >> > Yes, but infinity is not a number...
> >> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
> > Yes.
> >> This is also about how sometimes the 
> >> integers are unsigned and like odometer 
> >> or clock arithmetic and how, for example 
> >> in physics, there is "infinity equals 
> >> negative one"
> > There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves 
> that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite 
> series and get an actual number!
> 
> Urk?
> 1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+... == 2?
> 
> 
> Some infinite series can add to an actual number.

Of course, when the sums converge, but not when they diverge.

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#534463

From	"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-21 15:58 -0800
Message-ID	<36c5b4e5-590a-4991-b56b-9ba141b16c2a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#534451

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:27:29 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-8, Kym Horsell wrote:
> > pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > >> > > Numbers are infinite.
> > >> > Yes, but infinity is not a number...
> > >> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
> > > Yes.
> > >> This is also about how sometimes the 
> > >> integers are unsigned and like odometer 
> > >> or clock arithmetic and how, for example 
> > >> in physics, there is "infinity equals 
> > >> negative one"
> > > There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves 
> > that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite 
> > series and get an actual number!
> > 
> > Urk?
> > 1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+... == 2?
> > 
> > 
> > Some infinite series can add to an actual number.
> 
> Of course, when the sums converge, but not when they diverge.

In a sense, that's about

1 + 1 + 1 + ... = -1  
  (telescoping, wheel-odometric, to zero)
1 + 2 + 3 + ... = -1/12 
  (pyramidic, wheel-odometric, revolute, to 1/3*4*5, ... factorial)

How people leave out the dimensions in their 
dimensionless quantities and whether they've 
also left out the bookkeeping for where the scales 
are related are not, here we do not depend on the 
"wheel-odometric" or "clock-arithmetic" in the 
unbounded and infinite integers, here vis a vis 
movement and position about the wheel in linear terms.

Anyways that's none of my business and here 
it's not relevant to just begin to assign it definition 
in terms about instead Cauchy/Weierstrass and our 
usual modern standard formalisms for the establishment 
of rigor of known sums of infinite series and the differential 
or obliquely enough the existence of the limits of those sums 
in the unbounded then for their usual transit as the sums 
(the limit is the sum or the limit is as the sum).

Then, the e^(i pi) = 1, instead of:  -1, is about "Occam's hole punch".

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#534476

From	pnalsing@gmail.com
Date	2015-11-21 17:16 -0800
Message-ID	<a581c96e-3eb7-4c31-8d08-696d383b1290@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#534463

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:58:57 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:27:29 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-8, Kym Horsell wrote:
> > > pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > >> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > >> > > Numbers are infinite.
> > > >> > Yes, but infinity is not a number...
> > > >> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
> > > > Yes.
> > > >> This is also about how sometimes the 
> > > >> integers are unsigned and like odometer 
> > > >> or clock arithmetic and how, for example 
> > > >> in physics, there is "infinity equals 
> > > >> negative one"
> > > > There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves 
> > > that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite 
> > > series and get an actual number!
> > > 
> > > Urk?
> > > 1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+... == 2?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Some infinite series can add to an actual number.
> > 
> > Of course, when the sums converge, but not when they diverge.
> 
> 
> In a sense, that's about
> 
> 1 + 1 + 1 + ... = -1  
>   (telescoping, wheel-odometric, to zero)
> 1 + 2 + 3 + ... = -1/12 
>   (pyramidic, wheel-odometric, revolute, to 1/3*4*5, ... factorial)

Like I said, since 1 + 1 + 1... equals infinity equals -1, and
1 + 2 + 3... equals infinity equals -1/12...
then -1 equals -1/12.

Logically and mathematically, this makes no sense whatsoever, and is clearly not true, so what is the problem?

Well, infinity is not a number, so its use in solving equations is problematic.

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#534479

From	"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-21 17:32 -0800
Message-ID	<92e8c7c7-bb4e-4e9e-a5fb-fad4b3219c0a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to	#534476

On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 5:16:50 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:58:57 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:27:29 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-8, Kym Horsell wrote:
> > > > pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > >> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> > > > >> > > Numbers are infinite.
> > > > >> > Yes, but infinity is not a number...
> > > > >> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
> > > > > Yes.
> > > > >> This is also about how sometimes the 
> > > > >> integers are unsigned and like odometer 
> > > > >> or clock arithmetic and how, for example 
> > > > >> in physics, there is "infinity equals 
> > > > >> negative one"
> > > > > There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves 
> > > > that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite 
> > > > series and get an actual number!
> > > > 
> > > > Urk?
> > > > 1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+... == 2?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Some infinite series can add to an actual number.
> > > 
> > > Of course, when the sums converge, but not when they diverge.
> > 
> > 
> > In a sense, that's about
> > 
> > 1 + 1 + 1 + ... = -1  
> >   (telescoping, wheel-odometric, to zero)
> > 1 + 2 + 3 + ... = -1/12 
> >   (pyramidic, wheel-odometric, revolute, to 1/3*4*5, ... factorial)
> 
> Like I said, since 1 + 1 + 1... equals infinity equals -1, and
> 1 + 2 + 3... equals infinity equals -1/12...
> then -1 equals -1/12.
> 
> Logically and mathematically, this makes no sense whatsoever, and is clearly not true, so what is the problem?
> 
> Well, infinity is not a number, so its use in solving equations is problematic.

About "infinities", that means 
"show your work" and maintain the 
bookkeeping, including resultant 
and error terms (in approximations 
as for example we often find in 
notions of "normalization", or 
"linearization" in physics, as 
"re-de-normalization", and 
"approximation of angles with 
curves").

Let's ignore infinity then 
and the mechanics of the 
evaluation of those values 
of those quantities, and the 
resultingly attached properties, 
and instead look to the continuous 
and discrete and what it means 
in physics for there to be 
concrete mathematical infinitesimals 
and how and why the cosmological 
constant of Einstein is a 
mathematical infinitesimal.

That's about how maybe the measurement 
and observer effects, for instances and 
periods of observation, have numerical 
effects as of what sampling and counting 
of discrete events from the continuous 
fields actually "do" to the numbers.

measurement -> sampling
observation -> counting

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#534505

From	benj <none@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-22 00:58 -0500
Message-ID	<PPc4y.155776$sK.154370@fx14.iad>
In reply to	#534476

On 11/21/2015 08:16 PM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:58:57 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:27:29 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-8, Kym Horsell wrote:
>>>> pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Numbers are infinite.
>>>>>>> Yes, but infinity is not a number...
>>>>>> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>> This is also about how sometimes the
>>>>>> integers are unsigned and like odometer
>>>>>> or clock arithmetic and how, for example
>>>>>> in physics, there is "infinity equals
>>>>>> negative one"
>>>>> There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves
>>>> that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite
>>>> series and get an actual number!
>>>>
>>>> Urk?
>>>> 1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+... == 2?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some infinite series can add to an actual number.
>>>
>>> Of course, when the sums converge, but not when they diverge.
>>
>>
>> In a sense, that's about
>>
>> 1 + 1 + 1 + ... = -1
>>    (telescoping, wheel-odometric, to zero)
>> 1 + 2 + 3 + ... = -1/12
>>    (pyramidic, wheel-odometric, revolute, to 1/3*4*5, ... factorial)
>
> Like I said, since 1 + 1 + 1... equals infinity equals -1, and
> 1 + 2 + 3... equals infinity equals -1/12...
> then -1 equals -1/12.
>
> Logically and mathematically, this makes no sense whatsoever, and is clearly not true, so what is the problem?
>
> Well, infinity is not a number, so its use in solving equations is problematic.
>
So why are you clowns trying to use mathematical fantasy as some kind of 
proof of reality?  Nuts.

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#534519

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2015-11-21 23:27 -0800
Message-ID	<56516E46.7BFA@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to	#534505

benj wrote:
> 
> On 11/21/2015 08:16 PM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:58:57 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:27:29 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-8, Kym Horsell wrote:
> >>>> pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Numbers are infinite.
> >>>>>>> Yes, but infinity is not a number...
> >>>>>> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
> >>>>> Yes.
> >>>>>> This is also about how sometimes the
> >>>>>> integers are unsigned and like odometer
> >>>>>> or clock arithmetic and how, for example
> >>>>>> in physics, there is "infinity equals
> >>>>>> negative one"
> >>>>> There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves
> >>>> that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite
> >>>> series and get an actual number!
> >>>>
> >>>> Urk?
> >>>> 1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+... == 2?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Some infinite series can add to an actual number.
> >>>
> >>> Of course, when the sums converge, but not when they diverge.
> >>
> >>
> >> In a sense, that's about
> >>
> >> 1 + 1 + 1 + ... = -1
> >>    (telescoping, wheel-odometric, to zero)
> >> 1 + 2 + 3 + ... = -1/12
> >>    (pyramidic, wheel-odometric, revolute, to 1/3*4*5, ... factorial)
> >
> > Like I said, since 1 + 1 + 1... equals infinity equals -1, and
> > 1 + 2 + 3... equals infinity equals -1/12...
> > then -1 equals -1/12.
> >
> > Logically and mathematically, this makes no sense whatsoever, and is clearly not true, so what is the problem?
> >
> > Well, infinity is not a number, so its use in solving equations is problematic.
> >
> So why are you clowns trying to use mathematical fantasy as some kind of
> proof of reality?  Nuts.
> 


If you're wearing 'math glasses', you see the world through math colored
glasses.

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#534530

From	benj <none@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-22 08:40 -0500
Message-ID	<QAj4y.85403$og6.18113@fx06.iad>
In reply to	#534519

On 11/22/2015 02:27 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> benj wrote:
>>
>> On 11/21/2015 08:16 PM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:58:57 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:27:29 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-8, Kym Horsell wrote:
>>>>>> pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Numbers are infinite.
>>>>>>>>> Yes, but infinity is not a number...
>>>>>>>> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>> This is also about how sometimes the
>>>>>>>> integers are unsigned and like odometer
>>>>>>>> or clock arithmetic and how, for example
>>>>>>>> in physics, there is "infinity equals
>>>>>>>> negative one"
>>>>>>> There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves
>>>>>> that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite
>>>>>> series and get an actual number!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Urk?
>>>>>> 1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+... == 2?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some infinite series can add to an actual number.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, when the sums converge, but not when they diverge.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a sense, that's about
>>>>
>>>> 1 + 1 + 1 + ... = -1
>>>>     (telescoping, wheel-odometric, to zero)
>>>> 1 + 2 + 3 + ... = -1/12
>>>>     (pyramidic, wheel-odometric, revolute, to 1/3*4*5, ... factorial)
>>>
>>> Like I said, since 1 + 1 + 1... equals infinity equals -1, and
>>> 1 + 2 + 3... equals infinity equals -1/12...
>>> then -1 equals -1/12.
>>>
>>> Logically and mathematically, this makes no sense whatsoever, and is clearly not true, so what is the problem?
>>>
>>> Well, infinity is not a number, so its use in solving equations is problematic.
>>>
>> So why are you clowns trying to use mathematical fantasy as some kind of
>> proof of reality?  Nuts.
>>
>
>
> If you're wearing 'math glasses', you see the world through math colored
> glasses.

Worded another way is the classic: When your only tool is a hammer, 
everything looks like a nail.



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#534541

From	Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-22 08:01 -0600
Message-ID	<BNudnfCeUcIuV8zLnZ2dnUU7-a2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#534519

On 11/22/15 1:27 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> If you're wearing 'math glasses', you see the world through math colored
> glasses.

   There is mathematics and there is not... which are you?

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#534604

From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date	2015-11-22 12:45 -0800
Message-ID	<56522956.398D@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to	#534541

Sam Wormley wrote:
> 
> On 11/22/15 1:27 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > If you're wearing 'math glasses', you see the world through math colored
> > glasses.
> 
>    There is mathematics and there is not... which are you?
>

By "there is", you mean 'in or at some place'..

In what place is Mathematics?

Or do you mean, do I wear 'rose colored math glasses'?

Most people don't.

And the rest of the people...it exist all in their mind.

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#534501

From	benj <none@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-22 00:47 -0500
Message-ID	<KFc4y.185724$nL.184092@fx25.iad>
In reply to	#534451

On 11/21/2015 06:27 PM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 3:01:18 PM UTC-8, Kym Horsell wrote:
>> pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:24:59 PM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-8, pnal...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>> Numbers are infinite.
>>>>> Yes, but infinity is not a number...
>>>> Are you talking about infinity in numbers?
>>> Yes.
>>>> This is also about how sometimes the
>>>> integers are unsigned and like odometer
>>>> or clock arithmetic and how, for example
>>>> in physics, there is "infinity equals
>>>> negative one"
>>> There is also the "infinity equals -1/12" paradox, (which therefore proves
>> that -1 equals -1/12) but each is flawed because you cannot add an infinite
>> series and get an actual number!
>>
>> Urk?
>> 1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+... == 2?
>>
>>
>> Some infinite series can add to an actual number.
>
> Of course, when the sums converge, but not when they diverge.

More math babble fantasy. There is no such thing as an "infinite 
series". The word "infinite" gives it away. If there were then you could 
give me all the numbers in your series that sum to "2".



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#534424

From	benj <none@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-21 16:43 -0500
Message-ID	<Mz54y.143302$gK.136123@fx26.iad>
In reply to	#534401

On 11/21/2015 03:01 PM, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 11:18:19 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>
>> Numbers are infinite.
>
> Yes, but infinity is not a number...
>
Both numbers and infinity are fantasy.

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#534361

From	Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-21 08:05 -0600
Message-ID	<ba6dnY6kIuSI583LnZ2dnUU7-fOdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#534333

On 11/21/15 1:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Sam Wormley wrote:
>>
>>     No Center
>>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
>>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
>>
>>     Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
>>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
>>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
>>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
>>
>>     WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
>>       http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
>>
>>     WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
>>       http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
>
> The center of the universe can be found in a number of ways...


   Such as?



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#534365

From	Jack Monaco <jacksh@umbertopal.org>
Date	2015-11-21 14:18 +0000
Message-ID	<n2pufk$bun$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to	#534361

Sam Wormley wrote:

>> The center of the universe can be found in a number of ways...
> 
>    Such as?

Way number 1, 2, 3 and probably n.

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#534381

From	benj <none@gmail.com>
Date	2015-11-21 13:48 -0500
Message-ID	<o034y.186323$1Z.161338@fx01.iad>
In reply to	#534361

On 11/21/2015 09:05 AM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 11/21/15 1:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>
>>>     No Center
>>>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
>>>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
>>>
>>>     Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
>>>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
>>>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
>>>       http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
>>>
>>>     WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
>>>       http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
>>>
>>>     WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
>>>       http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
>>
>> The center of the universe can be found in a number of ways...
>
>
>    Such as?

Draw two normal lines to two separated points in our universe. Where 
they cross is the center. QED.

Sam represents the current idiocy of this theory. He says the universe 
has no center. but also the universe is not multidimensional beyond 3 
(Sam thinks space-time is real so he calls time a dimension too making 
it 4) These two ideas are totally mutually exclusive. Sam has no problem 
with that. You just never think about both of them at the same time. 
Even better, don't think at all.

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