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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-26 11:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 20:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-27 12:41 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-27 13:28 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-27 15:29 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-27 17:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-06-27 22:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 12:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 12:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-06-28 13:09 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-06-29 17:44 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-29 17:50 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-28 12:44 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-28 14:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 12:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 14:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-28 12:37 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mattb. <Trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 12:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-06-28 22:54 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 16:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-28 16:25 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-06-28 17:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-28 17:43 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-28 16:42 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-28 17:52 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 18:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-28 16:39 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 18:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-28 20:25 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-28 18:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-29 09:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-29 10:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-29 10:12 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 00:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-29 09:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-29 10:10 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-29 10:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Simoen <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-06-29 23:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-30 01:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-29 12:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-28 16:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 17:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-28 17:50 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-28 16:41 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 18:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 20:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-29 07:13 -0500
I command you. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-06-29 12:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-30 01:39 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-30 12:05 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-30 10:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:43 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 09:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:43 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 14:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 12:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-04 11:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 12:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-04 09:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 08:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-05 06:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-05 10:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-05 10:25 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 16:38 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 07:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-06 13:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 05:28 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-07 07:44 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 10:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-08 16:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-07 09:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 13:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-09 11:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 07:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-10 16:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-09 11:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-01 18:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-29 08:59 -0500
Re: "HVAC" thumps his drivel. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 01:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-06-28 12:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 01:55 -0400
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-28 16:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bao0pa5dk4lfldsb1do25ahicfmi1ori6g@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #503217 |
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:30:27 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:11:07 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > >>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> >>wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote: >>>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level >>>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in >>>>>> with the real world. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever. >>>>> >>>>> ...Seems reasonable. >>>> >>>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN >>>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until >>>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the >>>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture? >>>> >>>God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from >>>all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go >> >>does that include seperating god from itsself? because your god has >>murdered more people than any other being fantasy or real >> >God WHAT FUCKING GOD in the real world beyond your bronze-age myths and legends, deliberately rude, deliberately stupid sociopath who knows only Christians believe that crap, and that we're not Christians? What is it with Christianity that it makes so many Christians such in-your-face, stupid jerks who can't live and let live?
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-28 17:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.2ffa3344f119d883989905@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #503217 |
In article <dni0padre2kpd8623s8l82sfoeqlfhbppp@4ax.com>, gordonlr@swbell.net says... > > On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:11:07 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > > >On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> > >wrote: > > > >>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote: > >>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level > >>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in > >>>>> with the real world. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever. > >>>> > >>>> ...Seems reasonable. > >>> > >>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN > >>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until > >>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the > >>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture? > >>> > >>God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from > >>all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go > > > >does that include seperating god from itsself? because your god has > >murdered more people than any other being fantasy or real > > > God has not murdered anyone. He has allowed Lucifer/Satan to explore > sin and rebellion and provide us all with a very firm understanding of > all this, but God did not do anything sinful. So Lucifer/Satan caused the Flood? > > > >>with the realm where only evil exists, there will be nothing good for > >>them to enjoy. But, this is their choice, not something God forced > >>upon them.
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-06-28 17:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lfu0pats4j6pckm7qtl2pi79om8g56l5p8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #503217 |
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:30:27 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:11:07 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > >>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> >>wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote: >>>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level >>>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in >>>>>> with the real world. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever. >>>>> >>>>> ...Seems reasonable. >>>> >>>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN >>>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until >>>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the >>>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture? >>>> >>>God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from >>>all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go >> >>does that include seperating god from itsself? because your god has >>murdered more people than any other being fantasy or real >> >God has not murdered anyone. He has allowed Lucifer/Satan to explore >sin and rebellion and provide us all with a very firm understanding of >all this, but God did not do anything sinful. you must be like 400 kinds of stupid >> >>>with the realm where only evil exists, there will be nothing good for >>>them to enjoy. But, this is their choice, not something God forced >>>upon them.
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-28 16:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-A2998D.16411028062015@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #503285 |
In article <lfu0pats4j6pckm7qtl2pi79om8g56l5p8@4ax.com>, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:30:27 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> > wrote: > > >On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:11:07 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > > > >>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> > >>wrote: > >> > >>>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote: > >>>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level > >>>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in > >>>>>> with the real world. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever. > >>>>> > >>>>> ...Seems reasonable. > >>>> > >>>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN > >>>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until > >>>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the > >>>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture? > >>>> > >>>God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from > >>>all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go > >> > >>does that include seperating god from itsself? because your god has > >>murdered more people than any other being fantasy or real > >> > >God has not murdered anyone. He has allowed Lucifer/Satan to explore > >sin and rebellion and provide us all with a very firm understanding of > >all this, but God did not do anything sinful. <piggybacking> So Der Floode never happened? So the slaughter of the 1st born in Egypt never happened? > you must be like 400 kinds of stupid > >> > >>>with the realm where only evil exists, there will be nothing good for > >>>them to enjoy. But, this is their choice, not something God forced > >>>upon them. -- JD Being open-minded is merely the willingness to consider evidence, not the willingness to accept claims without any.
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| From | Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-28 18:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <u521pade511n6q04aepos071hinkpif56g@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #503309 |
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:41:10 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: >In article <lfu0pats4j6pckm7qtl2pi79om8g56l5p8@4ax.com>, bilgat@m.nu >wrote: > >> On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:30:27 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> >> wrote: >> >> >On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:11:07 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote: >> > >> >>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> >> >>wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote: >> >>>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level >> >>>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in >> >>>>>> with the real world. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ...Seems reasonable. >> >>>> >> >>>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN >> >>>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until >> >>>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the >> >>>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture? >> >>>> >> >>>God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from >> >>>all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go >> >> >> >>does that include seperating god from itsself? because your god has >> >>murdered more people than any other being fantasy or real >> >> >> >God has not murdered anyone. He has allowed Lucifer/Satan to explore >> >sin and rebellion and provide us all with a very firm understanding of >> >all this, but God did not do anything sinful. > ><piggybacking> > >So Der Floode never happened? So the slaughter of the 1st born in Egypt >never happened? > There was never a flood that completely covered the earth, leaving no mountain tops above the waterline. There were floods of major proportions when the last period of glaciation ended and the ice was melting rapidly. These floods did cover some low lying cities and those events were passed along as legends. These legends made a very convenient means for passing along some of God's information. These old stories could be told from tribe to tribe, by illiterate people. They could be passed on down through the later generations without losing the embedded information. > > >> you must be like 400 kinds of stupid >> >> >> >>>with the realm where only evil exists, there will be nothing good for >> >>>them to enjoy. But, this is their choice, not something God forced >> >>>upon them.
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-28 20:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.2ffa5a02dda6da40989906@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #503316 |
In article <u521pade511n6q04aepos071hinkpif56g@4ax.com>, gordonlr@swbell.net says... > > On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:41:10 -0700, Jeanne Douglas > <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: > > >In article <lfu0pats4j6pckm7qtl2pi79om8g56l5p8@4ax.com>, bilgat@m.nu > >wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:30:27 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 14:11:07 -0500, bilgat@m.nu wrote: > >> > > >> >>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:04:43 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> > >> >>wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 12:12:54 -0400, benj <nobody@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>>On 06/28/2015 05:58 AM, HVAC wrote: > >> >>>>> On 6/27/2015 4:29 PM, Gordon wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Atheists are like the lesser animals. They haven't reached the level > >> >>>>>> that enables them to understand what God is and how theism fits in > >> >>>>>> with the real world. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> ...Seems reasonable. > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Still don't get it Harlow. Not "God" but God's law will cause your OWN > >> >>>>actions to create your suffering and torment, and not forever, but until > >> >>>>you change your actions. If hitting your hand with a hammer hurts the > >> >>>>answer is to stop hitting it. Get the Picture? > >> >>>> > >> >>>God is presently in the process of separating all that is good from > >> >>>all that is not good (evil). Anyone who volitionally chooses to go > >> >> > >> >>does that include seperating god from itsself? because your god has > >> >>murdered more people than any other being fantasy or real > >> >> > >> >God has not murdered anyone. He has allowed Lucifer/Satan to explore > >> >sin and rebellion and provide us all with a very firm understanding of > >> >all this, but God did not do anything sinful. > > > ><piggybacking> > > > >So Der Floode never happened? So the slaughter of the 1st born in Egypt > >never happened? > > > There was never a flood that completely covered the earth, leaving no > mountain tops above the waterline. There were floods of major > proportions when the last period of glaciation ended and the ice was > melting rapidly. These floods did cover some low lying cities Please identify one of these "low lying cities" > and > those events were passed along as legends. These legends made a very > convenient means for passing along some of God's information. These > old stories could be told from tribe to tribe, by illiterate people. > They could be passed on down through the later generations without > losing the embedded information. I see. So according to you the Bible is all just old legends. So why should we believe in the Bible instead of, say, the Rig-Veda.
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| From | Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-29 07:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0bd2pa5qaufs2jr2tuau6i07s2f0dh9tdu@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #503217 |
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:16:09 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote: >On 6/28/2015 3:30 PM, Gordon wrote: >> >>>>>> And so therefore god will make us suffer in agony and torment forever. >>>>>> >>>>>> ...Seems reasonable. >>>>> >>> >> God has not murdered anyone. He has allowed Lucifer/Satan to explore >> sin and rebellion and provide us all with a very firm understanding of >> all this, but God did not do anything sinful. > > >Wait. So god kills every person on earth except for Noah and his >family... Drowns them like rats. And you want to blame Satan? > >And even if I accept your postulate that Satan was to blame, who created >Satan in the first place? Who 'allowed' Satan to exist? > >You religious freaks are funny. > How would any of us learn enough about the cumulative effects of sin and rebellion had God not allowed Satan to explore this realm while we humans are here for the learning process. God wants us to mature to a level where we can be granted immortality and absolute sovereignty. This could never be done without sending us through this mortal phase where we are exposed, individually and collectively, to the cumulative effects of sin and rebellion. Pre-programming us as puppets would never have given us absolute sovereignty. Intimidating us into compliance would never have given us absolute sovereignty. Get down and get dirty, hands on learning is the only way God could mature us to the level He wants us to achieve.
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> |
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| Date | 2015-06-29 12:59 -0700 |
| Subject | I command you. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.29{0.59P.Seattle.2015}> |
| In reply to | #503394 |
"HVAC" replied (to Gordon): > > Pre-programming us as puppets would never > > have given us absolute sovereignty. > > I am already sovereign. > I can do whatever I choose. You _must_ eat, breathe, drink, shit, piss, hold your head up, stay cool, stay safe, etc. I command you.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 01:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <559255C1.18E5@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #503394 |
HVAC wrote: > > On 6/29/2015 8:13 AM, Gordon wrote: > > > >> Wait. So god kills every person on earth except for Noah and his > >> family... Drowns them like rats. And you want to blame Satan? > >> > >> And even if I accept your postulate that Satan was to blame, who created > >> Satan in the first place? Who 'allowed' Satan to exist? > >> > >> You religious freaks are funny. > >> > > How would any of us learn enough about the cumulative effects of sin > > and rebellion had God not allowed Satan to explore this realm while we > > humans are here for the learning process. > > As an American, I was forged in the fire of rebellion. > It is at the heart of our democracy. Are you claiming that the USA is > satanic? > > > God wants us to mature to a > > level where we can be granted immortality and absolute sovereignty. > > This could never be done without sending us through this mortal phase > > where we are exposed, individually and collectively, to the cumulative > > effects of sin and rebellion. > > Ok, so what's the problem then? We can sin and do whatever, and god sits > in silent approval. Party on Wayne > > > Pre-programming us as puppets would never have given us absolute > > sovereignty. > > I am already sovereign. I can do whatever I choose. And there is NOTHING > your god can do about it. He is impotent. > > > Intimidating us into compliance would never have given us absolute > > sovereignty. > > OK so then I can treat god EXACTLY as if he doesn't exist. Works for me. > > > Get down and get dirty, hands on learning is the only way God could > > mature us to the level He wants us to achieve. > > But honestly, who gives a fuck what GOD wants? Who elected HIM god? > > I sit in judgement of your god. And I find him guilty of crimes against > humanity, murder, hate crimes, incitement to riot, perjury, rape and the > creation of all the bad that exists in the world. There is no Bad in the world.. Name one thing you consider...Bad? Murder is a legal term... Hate crime? Is that like Love crime? How can hate be a crime? What's next, you're gonna make love a crime?? incitement to riot?? you're talking about jusst having a little fun in the streets... perjury? sounds like a legal term... rape? just a guy trying to make babies... You got over six billion people on earth...you mean to tell me all those girls said Yes? It's the girls who say "No" who are the most fun... Be real...You ask a girl to have sex with you and she says Yes, ...where is the fun in that? She says "No", that's when the fun begins... She says "Stop!", the fun gets even better...it's called, foreplay. Tell me one thing that's Bad? Stealing?? What I want, I take. I see birds steal food from other birds...is that stealing?...or how Nature works?
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 12:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <oui5pal411lb7hgg80gbtn94spqe8jkea3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #503609 |
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >There is no Bad in the world.. >Name one thing you consider...Bad? abortion of the unborn. >Murder is a legal term... >Hate crime? Is that like Love crime? How can hate be a crime? What's next, you're gonna make love a crime?? >incitement to riot?? you're talking about jusst having a little fun in the streets... >perjury? sounds like a legal term... >rape? just a guy trying to make babies... >You got over six billion people on earth...you mean to tell me all those girls said Yes? >It's the girls who say "No" who are the most fun... > >Be real...You ask a girl to have sex with you and she says Yes, ...where is the fun in that? > >She says "No", that's when the fun begins... > >She says "Stop!", the fun gets even better...it's called, foreplay. > >Tell me one thing that's Bad? Stealing?? What I want, I take. >I see birds steal food from other birds...is that stealing?...or how Nature works? Did the birds with the food also own the food? the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 10:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5592D0D0.6F16@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #503663 |
duke wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: > > >There is no Bad in the world.. > >Name one thing you consider...Bad? > > abortion of the unborn. I don't know what "abortion" means... > > >Murder is a legal term... > >Hate crime? Is that like Love crime? How can hate be a crime? What's next, you're gonna make love a crime?? > >incitement to riot?? you're talking about jusst having a little fun in the streets... > >perjury? sounds like a legal term... > >rape? just a guy trying to make babies... > > >You got over six billion people on earth...you mean to tell me all those girls said Yes? > >It's the girls who say "No" who are the most fun... > > > >Be real...You ask a girl to have sex with you and she says Yes, ...where is the fun in that? > > > >She says "No", that's when the fun begins... > > > >She says "Stop!", the fun gets even better...it's called, foreplay. > > > >Tell me one thing that's Bad? Stealing?? What I want, I take. > > >I see birds steal food from other birds...is that stealing?...or how Nature works? > > Did the birds with the food also own the food? What the birds want, they take....they own it. > > the dukester, American-American > > ***** > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI > *****
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-01 11:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <v268pataj8fcnhpp7gfiukh9ofc1aboftr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #503669 |
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:24:32 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >duke wrote: >> >> On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> >> wrote: >> >> >There is no Bad in the world.. >> >Name one thing you consider...Bad? >> >> abortion of the unborn. > >I don't know what "abortion" means... Then you're in the wrong group. >> >Murder is a legal term... >> >Hate crime? Is that like Love crime? How can hate be a crime? What's next, you're gonna make love a crime?? >> >incitement to riot?? you're talking about jusst having a little fun in the streets... >> >perjury? sounds like a legal term... >> >rape? just a guy trying to make babies... >> >> >You got over six billion people on earth...you mean to tell me all those girls said Yes? >> >It's the girls who say "No" who are the most fun... >> > >> >Be real...You ask a girl to have sex with you and she says Yes, ...where is the fun in that? >> > >> >She says "No", that's when the fun begins... >> > >> >She says "Stop!", the fun gets even better...it's called, foreplay. >> > >> >Tell me one thing that's Bad? Stealing?? What I want, I take. >> >> >I see birds steal food from other birds...is that stealing?...or how Nature works? >> >> Did the birds with the food also own the food? >What the birds want, they take....they own it. None own it. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-01 09:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mn0p1c$faq$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #503663 |
On 6/30/2015 1:05 PM, duke wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: > >> There is no Bad in the world.. >> Name one thing you consider...Bad? > > abortion of the unborn. I am in favor of paying 500 dollars cash to every woman that gets an abortion. No limit, we keep the fetus. You mad Duke? -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-01 11:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <3568pa5asg1gq5v934iojvlp43sqc84kui@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #503854 |
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 09:15:01 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote: >On 6/30/2015 1:05 PM, duke wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> >> wrote: >> >>> There is no Bad in the world.. >>> Name one thing you consider...Bad? >> >> abortion of the unborn. > >I am in favor of paying 500 dollars cash to every woman that gets an >abortion. No limit, we keep the fetus. > >You mad Duke? Nope, but God will settle his score with you. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-01 14:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mn1b9l$cc1$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #503888 |
On 7/1/2015 12:43 PM, duke wrote: > >>>> There is no Bad in the world.. >>>> Name one thing you consider...Bad? >>> >>> abortion of the unborn. >> >> I am in favor of paying 500 dollars cash to every woman that gets an >> abortion. No limit, we keep the fetus. >> >> You mad Duke? > > Nope, but God will settle his score with you. I don't threaten, Duke. I'm not a coward like you. -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-03 16:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vdudpa19c362ta62ueedv0fi193u6qilpe@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #503920 |
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:26:20 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote: >On 7/1/2015 12:43 PM, duke wrote: >> >>>>> There is no Bad in the world.. >>>>> Name one thing you consider...Bad? >>>> >>>> abortion of the unborn. >>> >>> I am in favor of paying 500 dollars cash to every woman that gets an >>> abortion. No limit, we keep the fetus. >>> >>> You mad Duke? >> >> Nope, but God will settle his score with you. > > >I don't threaten, Duke. I'm not a coward like you. I don't threaten either. You, and I, have to deal with God. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-04 12:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mn9087$q9c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #504418 |
On 7/3/2015 5:09 PM, duke wrote: > >>>>>> There is no Bad in the world.. >>>>>> Name one thing you consider...Bad? >>>>> >>>>> abortion of the unborn. >>>> >>>> I am in favor of paying 500 dollars cash to every woman that gets an >>>> abortion. No limit, we keep the fetus. >>>> >>>> You mad Duke? >>> >>> Nope, but God will settle his score with you. >> >> >> I don't threaten, Duke. I'm not a coward like you. > > I don't threaten either. You, and I, have to deal with God. YOU fear god. For ME there is no god to fear. The argument that "You'll get yours when you die" is specious and is simply an idle threat told to gullible children so they will behave. PS- I'm still waiting for you to tell me what Satan did that was so bad. -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-04 11:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4b1gpa9t6naqtifjt8jle1uhrue4md63gj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #504590 |
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 12:07:46 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote: >On 7/3/2015 5:09 PM, duke wrote: >> >>>>>>> There is no Bad in the world.. >>>>>>> Name one thing you consider...Bad? >>>>>> >>>>>> abortion of the unborn. >>>>> >>>>> I am in favor of paying 500 dollars cash to every woman that gets an >>>>> abortion. No limit, we keep the fetus. >>>>> >>>>> You mad Duke? >>>> >>>> Nope, but God will settle his score with you. >>> >>> >>> I don't threaten, Duke. I'm not a coward like you. >> >> I don't threaten either. You, and I, have to deal with God. > > >YOU fear god. For ME there is no god to fear. > The word "fear" can have multiple meanings. I fear we may have some rain later today. I sincerely believe we may have some rain later today. > >The argument that "You'll get yours when you die" is specious and is >simply an idle threat told to gullible children so they will behave. > >PS- I'm still waiting for you to tell me what Satan did that was so bad.
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-04 12:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mn927b$26f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #504594 |
On 7/4/2015 12:11 PM, Gordon wrote: > >>>> I don't threaten, Duke. I'm not a coward like you. >>> >> YOU fear god. For ME there is no god to fear. >> > The word "fear" can have multiple meanings. I fear we may have some > rain later today. I sincerely believe we may have some rain later Gordon. Put down the crack pipe and seek help. -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | talishi <talishi@example.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-04 09:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mn91181fvm@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #504590 |
On 07/04/2015 09:07 AM, HVAC wrote: > The argument that "You'll get yours when you die" is specious and is > simply an idle threat told to gullible children so they will behave. Just you wait until your father gets home!
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