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  Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 18:17 -0600
    Re: Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-12-13 01:08 +0000
      Re: Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 20:52 -0500
    Re: Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement gilber34 <fafa@invalid.com> - 2015-12-12 20:49 -0600
      Re: Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 09:58 +0100
        Re: Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-13 06:09 -0500

#538793 — Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement

Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement
> http://phys.org/news/2015-12-key-landmark-paris-climate-agreement.html

> —LONG-TERM GOAL: The long-term objective of the agreement is to make
> sure global warming stays "well below" 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees
> Fahrenheit) and to "pursue efforts" to limit the temperature rise to
> 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit). Temperatures have
> already increased by about 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit)
> since pre-industrial times. To achieve that goal, governments pledged
> to stop the rise in heat-trapping greenhouse gas emissions "as soon
> as possible." By some point after 2050, the agreement says, man-made
> emissions should be reduced to a level that forests and oceans can
> absorb.
>
> —EMISSIONS TARGETS: In order to reach the long-term goal, countries
> agreed to set national targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions
> every five years. More than 180 countries have already submitted
> targets for the first cycle beginning in 2020. Only developed
> countries are expected to slash their emissions in absolute terms;
> developing nations are "encouraged" to do so as their capabilities
> evolve over time. Until then, they are expected only to rein in the
> growth of emissions as their economies develop.
>
> —REVIEWING TARGETS: The initial targets won't be enough to put the
> world on a path to meet the long-term temperature goal. So the
> agreement asks governments to review their targets in the next four
> years and see if they can "update" them. That doesn't require
> governments to deepen their cuts. But the hope is that it will be
> possible for them to do so if renewable energy sources become more
> affordable and effective.
>
> —TRANSPARENCY: There is no penalty for countries that miss their
> emissions targets. But the agreement has transparency rules to help
> encourage countries to actually do what they say they will do. That
> was one of the most difficult pieces to agree on, with China asking
> for softer requirements for developing countries. The agreement says
> all countries must report on their emissions and their efforts the
> reduce them. But it allows for some "flexibility" for developing
> countries that "need it."
>

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#538808

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement
>> http://phys.org/news/2015-12-key-landmark-paris-climate-agreement.html
> 
>> ?LONG-TERM GOAL: The long-term objective of the agreement is to make
>> sure global warming stays "well below" 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees
>> Fahrenheit) and to "pursue efforts" to limit the temperature rise to
>> 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit). Temperatures have
>> already increased by about 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit)
>> since pre-industrial times. To achieve that goal, governments pledged
>> to stop the rise in heat-trapping greenhouse gas emissions "as soon
>> as possible." By some point after 2050, the agreement says, man-made
>> emissions should be reduced to a level that forests and oceans can
>> absorb.
>>
>> ?EMISSIONS TARGETS: In order to reach the long-term goal, countries
>> agreed to set national targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions
>> every five years. More than 180 countries have already submitted
>> targets for the first cycle beginning in 2020. Only developed
>> countries are expected to slash their emissions in absolute terms;
>> developing nations are "encouraged" to do so as their capabilities
>> evolve over time. Until then, they are expected only to rein in the
>> growth of emissions as their economies develop.
>>
>> ?REVIEWING TARGETS: The initial targets won't be enough to put the
>> world on a path to meet the long-term temperature goal. So the
>> agreement asks governments to review their targets in the next four
>> years and see if they can "update" them. That doesn't require
>> governments to deepen their cuts. But the hope is that it will be
>> possible for them to do so if renewable energy sources become more
>> affordable and effective.
>>
>> ?TRANSPARENCY: There is no penalty for countries that miss their
>> emissions targets. But the agreement has transparency rules to help
>> encourage countries to actually do what they say they will do. That
>> was one of the most difficult pieces to agree on, with China asking
>> for softer requirements for developing countries. The agreement says
>> all countries must report on their emissions and their efforts the
>> reduce them. But it allows for some "flexibility" for developing
>> countries that "need it."

Or in other words, no one has to do anything other than perhaps a report,
if they feel like it.
 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#538819

On 12/12/2015 08:08 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement
>>> http://phys.org/news/2015-12-key-landmark-paris-climate-agreement.html
>>
>>> ?LONG-TERM GOAL: The long-term objective of the agreement is to make
>>> sure global warming stays "well below" 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees
>>> Fahrenheit) and to "pursue efforts" to limit the temperature rise to
>>> 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit). Temperatures have
>>> already increased by about 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit)
>>> since pre-industrial times. To achieve that goal, governments pledged
>>> to stop the rise in heat-trapping greenhouse gas emissions "as soon
>>> as possible." By some point after 2050, the agreement says, man-made
>>> emissions should be reduced to a level that forests and oceans can
>>> absorb.
>>>
>>> ?EMISSIONS TARGETS: In order to reach the long-term goal, countries
>>> agreed to set national targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions
>>> every five years. More than 180 countries have already submitted
>>> targets for the first cycle beginning in 2020. Only developed
>>> countries are expected to slash their emissions in absolute terms;
>>> developing nations are "encouraged" to do so as their capabilities
>>> evolve over time. Until then, they are expected only to rein in the
>>> growth of emissions as their economies develop.
>>>
>>> ?REVIEWING TARGETS: The initial targets won't be enough to put the
>>> world on a path to meet the long-term temperature goal. So the
>>> agreement asks governments to review their targets in the next four
>>> years and see if they can "update" them. That doesn't require
>>> governments to deepen their cuts. But the hope is that it will be
>>> possible for them to do so if renewable energy sources become more
>>> affordable and effective.
>>>
>>> ?TRANSPARENCY: There is no penalty for countries that miss their
>>> emissions targets. But the agreement has transparency rules to help
>>> encourage countries to actually do what they say they will do. That
>>> was one of the most difficult pieces to agree on, with China asking
>>> for softer requirements for developing countries. The agreement says
>>> all countries must report on their emissions and their efforts the
>>> reduce them. But it allows for some "flexibility" for developing
>>> countries that "need it."
>
> Or in other words, no one has to do anything other than perhaps a report,
> if they feel like it.
>
>
Even better than that, jimp! Since warming has stopped for almost 20 
years they all can claim that what they've done so far (which is 
nothing) already has them in accord with the new agreement!

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#538828

On 12/12/2015 6:17 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Key points of the landmark Paris climate agreement
>> http://phys.org/news/2015-12-key-landmark-paris-climate-agreement.html
>
>> —LONG-TERM GOAL: The *long-term* *objective* of the agreement is to *make*
>> *sure* global warming *stays* *"well below"* 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees
>> Fahrenheit) and to *"pursue efforts"* to limit the temperature rise to
>> 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit). Temperatures have
>> already increased by about 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit)
>> since pre-industrial times. To achieve that goal, governments *pledged*
>> to stop the rise in heat-trapping *greenhouse gas* emissions *"as soon
>> as possible."* By *some point* after 2050, the agreement says, man-made
>> emissions *should be* reduced to a level that forests and oceans can
>> absorb.

Water Vapor is a greenhouse gas, the most prevelent one.

>>
>> —EMISSIONS TARGETS: In order to reach the *long-term goal*, countries
>> *agreed* to *set national targets* for reducing greenhouse gas emissions
>> every five years. More than 180 countries have already submitted
>> targets for the first cycle beginning in 2020. Only developed
>> countries *are expected* to slash *their* emissions in absolute terms;
>> developing nations *are "encouraged"* to do so *as their capabilities*
>> *evolve* over time. Until *then*, they *are expected* only to rein in the
>> growth of emissions as their economies *develop*.

how developed?  the flipping POOR countries are goig to stay POOR ddue 
to corruption, lack of resources, lack of industrial base, and they will 
get PAYMENST of 100 billion dollars to stay that way.

>>
>> —REVIEWING TARGETS: The initial *targets* won't be enough to put the
>> world on a *path* to meet the long-term temperature *goal*. So the
>> agreement *asks governments* to review their targets in the next four
>> years and *see if they can* *"update" them*. That *doesn't require*
>> governments to deepen their cuts. But the *hope* is that it will be
>> possible for them to do so *if* renewable energy sources become more
>> *affordable* and *effective*.

all the teeth of this baby, just fell out.

>>
>> —TRANSPARENCY: There is *no penalty* for countries that miss their
>> emissions *targets*. But the agreement has transparency rules to help
>> *encourage* countries to actually do what they say they will do. That
>> was one of the most difficult pieces to agree on, with China asking
>> for softer requirements for developing countries. The agreement says
>> all countries must report on their emissions and their efforts the
>> reduce them. But it *allows* for some *"flexibility"* for *developing*
>> countries that *"need it."*
>>

*weazel words*

there are no key points.

this is a non binding world wide "agreement" to bullshit everybody else.

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#538858

Dne 13/12/2015 v 03:49 gilber34 napsal(a):
> 
> Water Vapor is a greenhouse gas, the most prevelent one.

Scientists are not stupid not to know that.
Without it, the mean temperature would more than 20 deg C lower.

The key is GHE trend, not its baseline value.

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#538866

On 12/13/2015 03:58 AM, Poutnik wrote:
> Dne 13/12/2015 v 03:49 gilber34 napsal(a):
>>
>> Water Vapor is a greenhouse gas, the most prevelent one.
>
> Scientists are not stupid not to know that.
> Without it, the mean temperature would more than 20 deg C lower.
>
> The key is GHE trend, not its baseline value.

sure, so what does no warming for nearly two decades say?

It says it's all bullshit to collect money.



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