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  Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-11-27 13:44 -0800
    Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 22:54 +0100
      Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-11-28 13:57 -0800
        Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 08:09 +0100
          Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 08:21 +0100
    Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-27 22:58 +0000
      Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-11-28 17:08 -0500
        Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-29 03:17 +0000
          Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-11-29 17:46 -0500
            Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-29 23:51 +0000
              Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-11-29 19:34 -0500
                Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-30 01:51 +0000
                  Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-11-29 21:47 -0500
                    Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-30 06:06 +0000
      Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested "Autymn D. C." <lysdexia@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-28 16:45 -0800
        Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-11-28 20:46 -0500
        Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-11-29 02:04 +0000
    Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-12-20 11:50 -0800
      Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-20 13:06 -0800
      Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-12-20 13:25 -0800

#606732 — Re: Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-8, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging
> Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested
> 
> By Dianne Depra
> Tech Times, techtimes.com
> Sunday, November 27, 2016
> 
> [Video]
> 
> Physics laws follow the idea that speed of light is
> constant but two researchers think differently. Now,
> these researchers have come up with a way to numerically
> predict that speed of light is variable, allowing their
> theory to be tested. (Matt Cardy, Getty Images)
> 
> Researchers suggesting that the speed of light varies
> have come up with a numerical prediction that will allow
> their theory to be tested.
> 
> Many theories in physics are built upon the idea that the
> speed of light is at a constant rate, but João Magueijo
> and Niayesh Afshordi think otherwise. In a paper
> published in the journal Physical Review D, they detailed
> the creation of an exact figure on the spectral index, a
> model that can be used to determine if their theory is
> valid or not.
> 
> All structures in the universe today were created when
> fluctuations occurred in the early universe. The spectral
> index is the record of these fluctuations that is now
> integrated into the cosmic microwave background.
> 
> The figure that Magueijo and Afshordi came up with is
> 0.96478 precise, which is extremely close to the
> currently used estimated readings of 0.968, give or take
> some margin for error, gathered from the cosmic microwave
> background.
> 
> A Radical Physics Idea
> 
> Magueijo and Afshordi's theory that the speed of light is
> variable was first proposed back in the late '90s. It was
> considered as radical at the time but now that a
> numerical method of prediction has been developed, the
> theory has turned into something that physicists can
> validate for themselves.
> 
> "The theory ... has now reached a maturity point... If
> true, it would mean that the laws of nature were not
> always the same as they are today," said Magueijo.
> 
> Theories On The Speed Of Light
> 
> If light speed varies, it would suggest that there was a
> much higher speed of light during the time of the early
> universe, which allowed faraway edges to connect as
> expansion ensued. And as the universe's density changed
> then, the speed of light would have also dropped in a
> manner that was predictable.
> 
> The more mainstream theory on the speed of light is
> inflation, which tries to solve the horizon problem by
> stating that the early universe had evened out in its
> infancy and then expanded suddenly. However, the universe
> stayed uniform throughout this expansion. If the
> inflation theory is true, it would preserve Albert
> Einstein's theory that light speed is constant, as well
> as other physics laws known today. However, for it to be
> proven true, an inflation field will have to be invented.
> An inflation field is a set of conditions that existed
> only at the time.
> 
> The inflation theory also points to a universal expansion
> rate much faster than what the current universe is
> experiencing.
> 
> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/187113/20161127/variable-not-constant-speed-of-light-theory-challenging-einstein-s-physics-can-now-be-tested.htm
> 
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Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!  

Double-A

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#606733

Dne 27/11/2016 v 22:44 Double-A napsal(a):
> 
> 
> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!  
> 
> Double-A
> 
If there was circularity, you would not be able to determine,
how long is metre, or how fast is c.

Lie Excel circular references A2= 2 * A1,  A1 = A2 / 2


-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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#606918

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 1:54:49 PM UTC-8, Poutnik Fornntp wrote:
> Dne 27/11/2016 v 22:44 Double-A napsal(a):
> > 
> > 
> > Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!  
> > 
> > Double-A
> > 
> If there was circularity, you would not be able to determine,
> how long is metre, or how fast is c.
> 
> Lie Excel circular references A2= 2 * A1,  A1 = A2 / 2
> 
> 
> -- 
> Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )


Precisely!

Double-A

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#607011

Dne 28/11/2016 v 22:57 Double-A napsal(a):
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 1:54:49 PM UTC-8, Poutnik Fornntp wrote:
>> Dne 27/11/2016 v 22:44 Double-A napsal(a):
>>>
>>>
>>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!  
>>>
>>> Double-A
>>>
>> If there was circularity, you would not be able to determine,
>> how long is metre, or how fast is c.
>>
>> Lie Excel circular references A2= 2 * A1,  A1 = A2 / 2
>>
> 
> Precisely!
> 

Therefore there is no cicularity, as you can.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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#607013

Dne 29/11/2016 v 08:09 Poutnik napsal(a):
> Dne 28/11/2016 v 22:57 Double-A napsal(a):
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!  
>>>>

>>> If there was circularity, you would not be able to determine,
>>> how long is metre, or how fast is c.
>>>
>>> Lie Excel circular references A2= 2 * A1,  A1 = A2 / 2
>>>
>>
>> Precisely!
>>

> Therefore there is no circularity, as you can.
> 

E.g. one can measure, that a specially formed light beam
with a particuar spatial strucxture and nonzero orbital angular momentum
propagates slower than c in vacuum.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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#606744

Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:

> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!  
> 
> Double-A

The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#606920

On 11/27/2016 5:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>
>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!
>>
>> Double-A
>
> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
>
Oh look Muffy a conversation among the ignorant. The speed of light is 
not constant. Everybody knows that. The speed of light in vacuum is 
measured to be constant within measurement errors. (no aether drift) The 
fact that the speed of light in vacuum is constant and does not depend 
on direction is what allows light to be used as standards for length and 
time. Otherwise time of year, directions etc. would all have to be 
specified. So if the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant and 
independent of other factors as proposed, then this would throw a kink 
into all current standards. That is a given.

Actually Mr. Chimp the definition of an SI second is as you state except 
that the atom is a zero degrees and at sea level. Sure, you know how to 
barf Google and pretend to be smart, but you really should learn some 
REAL science, nutjob.

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#606991

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 11/27/2016 5:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!
>>>
>>> Double-A
>>
>> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
>> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
>> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
>>
> Oh look Muffy a conversation among the ignorant. The speed of light is 
> not constant. Everybody knows that. The speed of light in vacuum is 
> measured to be constant within measurement errors. (no aether drift) The 
> fact that the speed of light in vacuum is constant and does not depend 
> on direction is what allows light to be used as standards for length and 
> time. Otherwise time of year, directions etc. would all have to be 
> specified. So if the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant and 
> independent of other factors as proposed, then this would throw a kink 
> into all current standards. That is a given.
> 
> Actually Mr. Chimp the definition of an SI second is as you state except 
> that the atom is a zero degrees and at sea level. Sure, you know how to 
> barf Google and pretend to be smart, but you really should learn some 
> REAL science, nutjob.

Benj is so cute when he follows me around trying to nit pick my posts.

BTW kook, it is zero degrees Kelvin and adjusted for the gravity at
mean sea level.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#607093

On 11/28/2016 10:17 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 11/27/2016 5:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!
>>>>
>>>> Double-A
>>>
>>> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
>>> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
>>> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
>>>
>> Oh look Muffy a conversation among the ignorant. The speed of light is
>> not constant. Everybody knows that. The speed of light in vacuum is
>> measured to be constant within measurement errors. (no aether drift) The
>> fact that the speed of light in vacuum is constant and does not depend
>> on direction is what allows light to be used as standards for length and
>> time. Otherwise time of year, directions etc. would all have to be
>> specified. So if the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant and
>> independent of other factors as proposed, then this would throw a kink
>> into all current standards. That is a given.
>>
>> Actually Mr. Chimp the definition of an SI second is as you state except
>> that the atom is a zero degrees and at sea level. Sure, you know how to
>> barf Google and pretend to be smart, but you really should learn some
>> REAL science, nutjob.
>
> Benj is so cute when he follows me around trying to nit pick my posts.
>
> BTW kook, it is zero degrees Kelvin and adjusted for the gravity at
> mean sea level.
>
>
Oh look! The nutjob Googled it again after I told him his mistake. And 
now he pretends to have known it all along. Sure. wanker, sure.

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#607129

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 11/28/2016 10:17 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2016 5:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!
>>>>>
>>>>> Double-A
>>>>
>>>> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
>>>> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
>>>> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
>>>>
>>> Oh look Muffy a conversation among the ignorant. The speed of light is
>>> not constant. Everybody knows that. The speed of light in vacuum is
>>> measured to be constant within measurement errors. (no aether drift) The
>>> fact that the speed of light in vacuum is constant and does not depend
>>> on direction is what allows light to be used as standards for length and
>>> time. Otherwise time of year, directions etc. would all have to be
>>> specified. So if the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant and
>>> independent of other factors as proposed, then this would throw a kink
>>> into all current standards. That is a given.
>>>
>>> Actually Mr. Chimp the definition of an SI second is as you state except
>>> that the atom is a zero degrees and at sea level. Sure, you know how to
>>> barf Google and pretend to be smart, but you really should learn some
>>> REAL science, nutjob.
>>
>> Benj is so cute when he follows me around trying to nit pick my posts.
>>
>> BTW kook, it is zero degrees Kelvin and adjusted for the gravity at
>> mean sea level.
>>
>>
> Oh look! The nutjob Googled it again after I told him his mistake. And 
> now he pretends to have known it all along. Sure. wanker, sure.

Oh look, the stalker is still attempting to nit pick my posts and
attempts do deflect attention from my correction of his last nit pick.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#607145

On 11/29/2016 6:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 11/28/2016 10:17 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 11/27/2016 5:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Double-A
>>>>>
>>>>> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
>>>>> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
>>>>> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
>>>>>
>>>> Oh look Muffy a conversation among the ignorant. The speed of light is
>>>> not constant. Everybody knows that. The speed of light in vacuum is
>>>> measured to be constant within measurement errors. (no aether drift) The
>>>> fact that the speed of light in vacuum is constant and does not depend
>>>> on direction is what allows light to be used as standards for length and
>>>> time. Otherwise time of year, directions etc. would all have to be
>>>> specified. So if the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant and
>>>> independent of other factors as proposed, then this would throw a kink
>>>> into all current standards. That is a given.
>>>>
>>>> Actually Mr. Chimp the definition of an SI second is as you state except
>>>> that the atom is a zero degrees and at sea level. Sure, you know how to
>>>> barf Google and pretend to be smart, but you really should learn some
>>>> REAL science, nutjob.
>>>
>>> Benj is so cute when he follows me around trying to nit pick my posts.
>>>
>>> BTW kook, it is zero degrees Kelvin and adjusted for the gravity at
>>> mean sea level.
>>>
>>>
>> Oh look! The nutjob Googled it again after I told him his mistake. And
>> now he pretends to have known it all along. Sure. wanker, sure.
>
> Oh look, the stalker is still attempting to nit pick my posts and
> attempts do deflect attention from my correction of his last nit pick.
>
>
Lie. YOu taking lessons from HVAC? Or do you work on the same team? I 
corrected YOU you did not correct yourself until I pointed out your 
mistake. Sure you are SO smart and know it all! Not.

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#607165

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 11/29/2016 6:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/28/2016 10:17 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/27/2016 5:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Double-A
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
>>>>>> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
>>>>>> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh look Muffy a conversation among the ignorant. The speed of light is
>>>>> not constant. Everybody knows that. The speed of light in vacuum is
>>>>> measured to be constant within measurement errors. (no aether drift) The
>>>>> fact that the speed of light in vacuum is constant and does not depend
>>>>> on direction is what allows light to be used as standards for length and
>>>>> time. Otherwise time of year, directions etc. would all have to be
>>>>> specified. So if the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant and
>>>>> independent of other factors as proposed, then this would throw a kink
>>>>> into all current standards. That is a given.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually Mr. Chimp the definition of an SI second is as you state except
>>>>> that the atom is a zero degrees and at sea level. Sure, you know how to
>>>>> barf Google and pretend to be smart, but you really should learn some
>>>>> REAL science, nutjob.
>>>>
>>>> Benj is so cute when he follows me around trying to nit pick my posts.
>>>>
>>>> BTW kook, it is zero degrees Kelvin and adjusted for the gravity at
>>>> mean sea level.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oh look! The nutjob Googled it again after I told him his mistake. And
>>> now he pretends to have known it all along. Sure. wanker, sure.
>>
>> Oh look, the stalker is still attempting to nit pick my posts and
>> attempts do deflect attention from my correction of his last nit pick.
>>
>>
> Lie. YOu taking lessons from HVAC? Or do you work on the same team?

The last person I knew that babbled about people on teams was taken
away by guys in white coats kook.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#607190

On 11/29/2016 8:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 11/29/2016 6:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 11/28/2016 10:17 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/27/2016 5:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Double-A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
>>>>>>> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
>>>>>>> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh look Muffy a conversation among the ignorant. The speed of light is
>>>>>> not constant. Everybody knows that. The speed of light in vacuum is
>>>>>> measured to be constant within measurement errors. (no aether drift) The
>>>>>> fact that the speed of light in vacuum is constant and does not depend
>>>>>> on direction is what allows light to be used as standards for length and
>>>>>> time. Otherwise time of year, directions etc. would all have to be
>>>>>> specified. So if the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant and
>>>>>> independent of other factors as proposed, then this would throw a kink
>>>>>> into all current standards. That is a given.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually Mr. Chimp the definition of an SI second is as you state except
>>>>>> that the atom is a zero degrees and at sea level. Sure, you know how to
>>>>>> barf Google and pretend to be smart, but you really should learn some
>>>>>> REAL science, nutjob.
>>>>>
>>>>> Benj is so cute when he follows me around trying to nit pick my posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW kook, it is zero degrees Kelvin and adjusted for the gravity at
>>>>> mean sea level.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Oh look! The nutjob Googled it again after I told him his mistake. And
>>>> now he pretends to have known it all along. Sure. wanker, sure.
>>>
>>> Oh look, the stalker is still attempting to nit pick my posts and
>>> attempts do deflect attention from my correction of his last nit pick.
>>>
>>>
>> Lie. YOu taking lessons from HVAC? Or do you work on the same team?
>
> The last person I knew that babbled about people on teams was taken
> away by guys in white coats kook.
>
>
Stalker. You moderator here yet?

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#607213

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 11/29/2016 8:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/29/2016 6:51 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/28/2016 10:17 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/27/2016 5:58 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Double-A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
>>>>>>>> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
>>>>>>>> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh look Muffy a conversation among the ignorant. The speed of light is
>>>>>>> not constant. Everybody knows that. The speed of light in vacuum is
>>>>>>> measured to be constant within measurement errors. (no aether drift) The
>>>>>>> fact that the speed of light in vacuum is constant and does not depend
>>>>>>> on direction is what allows light to be used as standards for length and
>>>>>>> time. Otherwise time of year, directions etc. would all have to be
>>>>>>> specified. So if the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant and
>>>>>>> independent of other factors as proposed, then this would throw a kink
>>>>>>> into all current standards. That is a given.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually Mr. Chimp the definition of an SI second is as you state except
>>>>>>> that the atom is a zero degrees and at sea level. Sure, you know how to
>>>>>>> barf Google and pretend to be smart, but you really should learn some
>>>>>>> REAL science, nutjob.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Benj is so cute when he follows me around trying to nit pick my posts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW kook, it is zero degrees Kelvin and adjusted for the gravity at
>>>>>> mean sea level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh look! The nutjob Googled it again after I told him his mistake. And
>>>>> now he pretends to have known it all along. Sure. wanker, sure.
>>>>
>>>> Oh look, the stalker is still attempting to nit pick my posts and
>>>> attempts do deflect attention from my correction of his last nit pick.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Lie. YOu taking lessons from HVAC? Or do you work on the same team?
>>
>> The last person I knew that babbled about people on teams was taken
>> away by guys in white coats kook.
>>
>>
> Stalker. You moderator here yet?

Is that incomplete sentence supposed to mean something kook?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#606948

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 3:01:06 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
> 
> > Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!  
> > 
> > Double-A
> 
> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
> 
> -- 
> Jim Pennino

At sea level?  At standard temperature and pressure?

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#606978

On 11/28/2016 7:45 PM, Autymn D. C. wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 3:01:06 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!
>>>
>>> Double-A
>>
>> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
>> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
>> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Pennino
>
> At sea level?  At standard temperature and pressure?
>
No. At sea level yes. But at Zero Kelvin.
Ask Chimp to explain why and watch the nutjob babble and drool.

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#606984

Autymn D. C. <lysdexia@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 3:01:06 PM UTC-8, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!  
>> > 
>> > Double-A
>> 
>> The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation
>> corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of
>> the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jim Pennino
> 
> At sea level?  At standard temperature and pressure?

You could not look that up?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second#Based_on_caesium_microwave_atomic_clock

Short answer: corrected for gravitational time dilation to mean sea level
and a caesium atom at rest at a temperature of 0 K.

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#609744

On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 1:44:17 PM UTC-8, Double-A wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-8, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging
> > Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested
> > 
> > By Dianne Depra
> > Tech Times, techtimes.com
> > Sunday, November 27, 2016
> > 
> > [Video]
> > 
> > Physics laws follow the idea that speed of light is
> > constant but two researchers think differently. Now,
> > these researchers have come up with a way to numerically
> > predict that speed of light is variable, allowing their
> > theory to be tested. (Matt Cardy, Getty Images)
> > 
> > Researchers suggesting that the speed of light varies
> > have come up with a numerical prediction that will allow
> > their theory to be tested.
> > 
> > Many theories in physics are built upon the idea that the
> > speed of light is at a constant rate, but João Magueijo
> > and Niayesh Afshordi think otherwise. In a paper
> > published in the journal Physical Review D, they detailed
> > the creation of an exact figure on the spectral index, a
> > model that can be used to determine if their theory is
> > valid or not.
> > 
> > All structures in the universe today were created when
> > fluctuations occurred in the early universe. The spectral
> > index is the record of these fluctuations that is now
> > integrated into the cosmic microwave background.
> > 
> > The figure that Magueijo and Afshordi came up with is
> > 0.96478 precise, which is extremely close to the
> > currently used estimated readings of 0.968, give or take
> > some margin for error, gathered from the cosmic microwave
> > background.
> > 
> > A Radical Physics Idea
> > 
> > Magueijo and Afshordi's theory that the speed of light is
> > variable was first proposed back in the late '90s. It was
> > considered as radical at the time but now that a
> > numerical method of prediction has been developed, the
> > theory has turned into something that physicists can
> > validate for themselves.
> > 
> > "The theory ... has now reached a maturity point... If
> > true, it would mean that the laws of nature were not
> > always the same as they are today," said Magueijo.
> > 
> > Theories On The Speed Of Light
> > 
> > If light speed varies, it would suggest that there was a
> > much higher speed of light during the time of the early
> > universe, which allowed faraway edges to connect as
> > expansion ensued. And as the universe's density changed
> > then, the speed of light would have also dropped in a
> > manner that was predictable.
> > 
> > The more mainstream theory on the speed of light is
> > inflation, which tries to solve the horizon problem by
> > stating that the early universe had evened out in its
> > infancy and then expanded suddenly. However, the universe
> > stayed uniform throughout this expansion. If the
> > inflation theory is true, it would preserve Albert
> > Einstein's theory that light speed is constant, as well
> > as other physics laws known today. However, for it to be
> > proven true, an inflation field will have to be invented.
> > An inflation field is a set of conditions that existed
> > only at the time.
> > 
> > The inflation theory also points to a universal expansion
> > rate much faster than what the current universe is
> > experiencing.
> > 
> > http://www.techtimes.com/articles/187113/20161127/variable-not-constant-speed-of-light-theory-challenging-einstein-s-physics-can-now-be-tested.htm
> > 
> > More articles at:
> > 
> > Tech Times
> > http://www.techtimes.com
> > 
> > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > Om Shanti
> > http://bit.do/jaimaharaj
> > 
> > o o o
> > 
> > o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used
> > for the educational purposes of research and open
> > discussion. The contents of this post may not have been
> > authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion
> > of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright
> > law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
> > 
> > o Posted for information and discussion. Views
> > expressed by others are not necessarily those of the
> > poster who may or may not have read the article.
> > FAIR USE NOTICE: This article may contain copyrighted
> > material the use of which may or may not have been
> > specifically authorized by the copyright owner. This
> > material is being made available in efforts to advance
> > the understanding of environmental, political, human
> > rights, economic, democratic, scientific, social, and
> > cultural, etc., issues. It is believed that this
> > constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material
> > as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law.
> > In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the
> > material on this site is distributed without profit to
> > those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving
> > the included information for research, comment,
> > discussion and educational purposes by subscribing to
> > USENET newsgroups or visiting web sites. For more
> > information go to:
> > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
> > 
> > If you wish to use copyrighted material from this article
> > for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you
> > must obtain permission from the copyright owner.
> > 
> > Since newsgroup posts are being removed by forgery by one
> > or more net terrorists, this post may be reposted several
> > times.
> 
> 
> Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!  
> 
> Double-A

C is 185,242 mps.It NEVER changes speed.NOR bounce.As told to use for reflection.Reality from Sun's core to surface takes 200,000 years,and in reality these photons never slowed down. Good reasoning tell why. TreBert

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#609756

"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote:
Good reasoning tell why TreBert is the 
>
<http://tinyurl.com/Recalcitrant-Swine-Glazier> who 
is a Graveyard Vandal & Faceshitter and does this
<http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8MGOU-CQAEaZw4.jpg>
to his crowd of "Anon Y Mouse" & 8 other Bert-shit-eaters
of <http://tinyurl.com/Glazier-the-Lying-Swine> who
freely & happily laid themselves under Glazier's Sphincter,
especially Iran's "Anon Y. Maldrecki, the Mouse" being the 
most fervent of Glazier's sphincter-lickers, waiting greedily
to feast on more of Bert's PFM (Poop For Maleki), ...
>
.. but never "got the picture" why Cohen said & meant:
_____   "Bert you Swine, 'You must repent' " _____
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkRqQQWu_mA>
ever since Tre:B::ert Glazier introduced himself with & as....
>
:B:: "I am a proud Jew with a Superiority complex &
:B:: an IQ of 122", & "I do know how everything works."
:B:: "My Grandfathers had tails". -- Trebert
:B:: "Being Jewish I know this is so very true" -- Bert.
:B:: "I'm a non-bible (torra) Jew. I'm the only Jew that
:B:: got 2 form letters from two Popes". Bert
:B:: "God and religion is hocus pocus". Trebert.
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
B:: "I'll be sitting on Benj's, Saul Levi's & HVAC's face
:B:: to take a shit & say: "Open your mouth wide".
:B:: "Hanson, I will piss on your grave. And laugh".
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "I left my dentures in Boston when I fled to CA
:B:: to evade my creditors & my daugher Sheri who
:B:: wanted to warehouse me in a nursing homne".
:B:: "I have a Social worker to make sure that I eat
:B:: my Lithium & 21 other pills. I paint Grey Cloud."
:B:: after sex with a Cuban cigar I drink bud .Trebert
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "I am living in my Van that I parked illegally
:B:: on Wal-Mart's property for over a year." Bert
:B:: "I shit into a bucket in my van and then throw
:B:: the bag full of crap into Walmart's Dumpsters"
:B:: "Mayor Tait told me to get lost when I demanded
:B::  a contract to clean the city's HVAC ducts.
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "I am a loser & so ugly I will not vote for myself"
:B:: "I re-franchize my M&M (Maggots & Manure).".
:B:: "I sell imaginary boats and defective patio decks"
:B:: "I stole & gave G=EMC^2 to the world", which
:B:: says: "Glazier Exhibits Micro Cephalic Cretinism"
:B:: "With G=EMC^2 I made all good posters leave s.p."
B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "Even the FBI has me as a trouble maker and
:B:: the FBI blocks my phone from calling them"....
:B:: "I mixed sulfer, carb & iron to make gun powder"
:B:: "Israel will drop its first H-bomb 'David' ". TreBert
:B:: __"I'm glad when war breaks out"__ Bert
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
 >
:B:: "I got kicked out of school in the 4th grade. Bert.
:B:: "I am self-taught. I'm very *cleaver* out of the box."
:B:: "My cockroach taught me a lot. My grammar stinks".
:B:: "I have lived for too long.. back to the oven" Trebert.
:B::  "I called the Mental Health Hotline (800) 723-8641
:B::  spooked a lady with fearing to get shot in my head".
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
>
:B:: "While I was in custody of Osceola Sheriff Bob
:B:: Hansel, for thieving, his deputies beat me up.
:B:: I bought a 357 magnum for death threats by Hansel.
:B:: __** "Why am I not loved by all?" --- Bert **__.
 >

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#609763

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:50:09 AM UTC-8, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 1:44:17 PM UTC-8, Double-A wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-8, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > > Variable, Not Constant: Speed Of Light Theory Challenging
> > > Einstein's Physics Can Now Be Tested
> > > 
> > > By Dianne Depra
> > > Tech Times, techtimes.com
> > > Sunday, November 27, 2016
> > > 
> > > [Video]
> > > 
> > > Physics laws follow the idea that speed of light is
> > > constant but two researchers think differently. Now,
> > > these researchers have come up with a way to numerically
> > > predict that speed of light is variable, allowing their
> > > theory to be tested. (Matt Cardy, Getty Images)
> > > 
> > > Researchers suggesting that the speed of light varies
> > > have come up with a numerical prediction that will allow
> > > their theory to be tested.
> > > 
> > > Many theories in physics are built upon the idea that the
> > > speed of light is at a constant rate, but João Magueijo
> > > and Niayesh Afshordi think otherwise. In a paper
> > > published in the journal Physical Review D, they detailed
> > > the creation of an exact figure on the spectral index, a
> > > model that can be used to determine if their theory is
> > > valid or not.
> > > 
> > > All structures in the universe today were created when
> > > fluctuations occurred in the early universe. The spectral
> > > index is the record of these fluctuations that is now
> > > integrated into the cosmic microwave background.
> > > 
> > > The figure that Magueijo and Afshordi came up with is
> > > 0.96478 precise, which is extremely close to the
> > > currently used estimated readings of 0.968, give or take
> > > some margin for error, gathered from the cosmic microwave
> > > background.
> > > 
> > > A Radical Physics Idea
> > > 
> > > Magueijo and Afshordi's theory that the speed of light is
> > > variable was first proposed back in the late '90s. It was
> > > considered as radical at the time but now that a
> > > numerical method of prediction has been developed, the
> > > theory has turned into something that physicists can
> > > validate for themselves.
> > > 
> > > "The theory ... has now reached a maturity point... If
> > > true, it would mean that the laws of nature were not
> > > always the same as they are today," said Magueijo.
> > > 
> > > Theories On The Speed Of Light
> > > 
> > > If light speed varies, it would suggest that there was a
> > > much higher speed of light during the time of the early
> > > universe, which allowed faraway edges to connect as
> > > expansion ensued. And as the universe's density changed
> > > then, the speed of light would have also dropped in a
> > > manner that was predictable.
> > > 
> > > The more mainstream theory on the speed of light is
> > > inflation, which tries to solve the horizon problem by
> > > stating that the early universe had evened out in its
> > > infancy and then expanded suddenly. However, the universe
> > > stayed uniform throughout this expansion. If the
> > > inflation theory is true, it would preserve Albert
> > > Einstein's theory that light speed is constant, as well
> > > as other physics laws known today. However, for it to be
> > > proven true, an inflation field will have to be invented.
> > > An inflation field is a set of conditions that existed
> > > only at the time.
> > > 
> > > The inflation theory also points to a universal expansion
> > > rate much faster than what the current universe is
> > > experiencing.
> > > 
> > > http://www.techtimes.com/articles/187113/20161127/variable-not-constant-speed-of-light-theory-challenging-einstein-s-physics-can-now-be-tested.htm
> > > 
> > > More articles at:
> > > 
> > > Tech Times
> > > http://www.techtimes.com
> > > 
> > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> > > Om Shanti
> > > http://bit.do/jaimaharaj
> > > 
> > > o o o
> > > 
> > > o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used
> > > for the educational purposes of research and open
> > > discussion. The contents of this post may not have been
> > > authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion
> > > of the poster. The contents are protected by copyright
> > > law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
> > > 
> > > o Posted for information and discussion. Views
> > > expressed by others are not necessarily those of the
> > > poster who may or may not have read the article.
> > > FAIR USE NOTICE: This article may contain copyrighted
> > > material the use of which may or may not have been
> > > specifically authorized by the copyright owner. This
> > > material is being made available in efforts to advance
> > > the understanding of environmental, political, human
> > > rights, economic, democratic, scientific, social, and
> > > cultural, etc., issues. It is believed that this
> > > constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material
> > > as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law.
> > > In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the
> > > material on this site is distributed without profit to
> > > those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving
> > > the included information for research, comment,
> > > discussion and educational purposes by subscribing to
> > > USENET newsgroups or visiting web sites. For more
> > > information go to:
> > > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
> > > 
> > > If you wish to use copyrighted material from this article
> > > for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you
> > > must obtain permission from the copyright owner.
> > > 
> > > Since newsgroup posts are being removed by forgery by one
> > > or more net terrorists, this post may be reposted several
> > > times.
> > 
> > 
> > Nonsense!  The length of the meter is defined by SI as 1/299792458 of the distance traveled by light in one second.  The speed of light is defined in meters per second.  Therefore by this (circular) argument, light can never travel at other than c;  only the defined length of the meter is variable!  
> > 
> > Double-A
> 
> C is 185,242 mps.It NEVER changes speed.NOR bounce.As told to use for reflection.Reality from Sun's core to surface takes 200,000 years,and in reality these photons never slowed down. Good reasoning tell why. TreBert


They are constantly absorbed and re-emitted.  So how can you know they are the same photons that started out?

Double-A

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