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NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique

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  NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-02 11:38 -0700
    Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-02 12:36 -0700
      Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-02 13:46 -0700
        Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-03 09:37 -0700
          Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique Oveho Anými Trofyzikovu <zfeuur@ceuuwi.ku> - 2017-07-03 17:43 +0000
            Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-03 13:03 -0500
              Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-07-04 00:37 +0200
                Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 00:40 +0000
                  Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 13:29 -0500
                    Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 18:46 +0000
                      Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 14:42 -0500
                        Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 19:54 +0000
                          Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-04 19:28 -0500
                  Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-04 17:12 -0400
                    Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-04 21:22 +0000
                      Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-04 15:26 -0700
                      Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-04 20:21 -0400
                        Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-04 19:33 -0500
                        Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 00:45 +0000
                          Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-04 21:39 -0400
                            Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-05 04:46 +0000
                              Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-05 19:40 -0400
                                Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-06 01:20 +0000
                                  Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-05 21:46 -0400
                                    Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-06 05:08 +0000
                                      Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-06 16:44 -0400
                                  Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 18:46 -0700
                Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-03 23:32 -0500
                Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-03 23:25 -0700
                Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique Upech Bezradne <adeeia@bbzzeop.ic> - 2017-07-07 10:46 +0000
    Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 15:44 -0700
      Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-06 16:39 -0700
      Re: NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-06 23:19 -0700

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#638520 — NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2017-07-02 11:38 -0700
SubjectNASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique
Message-ID<59593D89.1E56@ix.netcom.com>
NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/national/nasa-unveils-plan-to-test-asteroid-defense-technique



what new technique? is NASA going to body slam an asteroid????


NASA is trying to create this 'imaginary' world of doom just to get....money.



What is it with NASA, the price of McDonalds chicken nuggets went up????


How about aliens from other planets are planning to attack us?


How about...



Anybody got any ideas How To terrify the planet earth??? The science fiction department have run out of ideas...

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#638528

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2017-07-02 12:36 -0700
Message-ID<59594B34.46AE@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#638520
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique
> https://www.clickorlando.com/news/national/nasa-unveils-plan-to-test-asteroid-defense-technique
> 
> what new technique? is NASA going to body slam an asteroid????
> 
> NASA is trying to create this 'imaginary' world of doom just to get....money.
> 
> What is it with NASA, the price of McDonalds chicken nuggets went up????
> 
> How about aliens from other planets are planning to attack us?
> 
> How about...
> 
> Anybody got any ideas How To terrify the planet earth??? The science fiction department have run out of ideas...


Humanity could face one less doomsday scenario if NASA has its way.
On Friday, the space agency announced plans to redirect the course of a
small asteroid approaching Earth, 
as part of the Double Asteroid Redirection Test (DART), according to a
NASA press release.
The release notes that asteroids hit Earth nearly every day, but most
are small enough to burn up in the atmosphere. 




But what about NASA and the kidnapped children on Mars????

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#638535

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2017-07-02 13:46 -0700
Message-ID<59595B94.5F9@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#638528
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique
> > https://www.clickorlando.com/news/national/nasa-unveils-plan-to-test-asteroid-defense-technique
> >
> > what new technique? is NASA going to body slam an asteroid????
> >
> > NASA is trying to create this 'imaginary' world of doom just to get....money.
> >
> > What is it with NASA, the price of McDonalds chicken nuggets went up????
> >
> > How about aliens from other planets are planning to attack us?
> >
> > How about...
> >
> > Anybody got any ideas How To terrify the planet earth??? The science fiction department have run out of ideas...
> 
> Humanity could face one less doomsday scenario if NASA has its way.
> On Friday, the space agency announced plans to redirect the course of a
> small asteroid approaching Earth,
> as part of the Double Asteroid Redirection Test (DART), according to a
> NASA press release.
> The release notes that asteroids hit Earth nearly every day, but most
> are small enough to burn up in the atmosphere.


THE BIG ONE IS COMMING!



> 
> But what about NASA and the kidnapped children on Mars????


This is...disconcerting.

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#638614

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2017-07-03 09:37 -0700
Message-ID<595A72D0.4761@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#638535
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > NASA unveils plan to test asteroid defense technique
> > > https://www.clickorlando.com/news/national/nasa-unveils-plan-to-test-asteroid-defense-technique
> > >
> > > what new technique? is NASA going to body slam an asteroid????
> > >
> > > NASA is trying to create this 'imaginary' world of doom just to get....money.
> > >
> > > What is it with NASA, the price of McDonalds chicken nuggets went up????
> > >
> > > How about aliens from other planets are planning to attack us?
> > >
> > > How about...
> > >
> > > Anybody got any ideas How To terrify the planet earth??? The science fiction department have run out of ideas...
> >
> > Humanity could face one less doomsday scenario if NASA has its way.
> > On Friday, the space agency announced plans to redirect the course of a
> > small asteroid approaching Earth,
> > as part of the Double Asteroid Redirection Test (DART), according to a
> > NASA press release.
> > The release notes that asteroids hit Earth nearly every day, but most
> > are small enough to burn up in the atmosphere.
> 
> THE BIG ONE IS COMMING!
> 
> >
> > But what about NASA and the kidnapped children on Mars????
> 
> This is...disconcerting.


Okay, lets suppose it ain't true, that NASA is not kidnapping children on Mars, is it a movie then...coming out soon? a science fiction book??


Sounds too true to be good.

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#638625

FromOveho Anými Trofyzikovu <zfeuur@ceuuwi.ku>
Date2017-07-03 17:43 +0000
Message-ID<ojdvor$15du$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#638614
The Starmaker wrote:

>> > But what about NASA and the kidnapped children on Mars????
>> 
>> This is...disconcerting.
> 
> Okay, lets suppose it ain't true, that NASA is not kidnapping children
> on Mars, is it a movie then...coming out soon? a science fiction book??
> Sounds too true to be good.

Nasa is a chicken, afraid putting men on Moon, and bring them safely back 
to Earth. Not because is easy. They already have ALL the KNOW-HOW they 
need. If they doesn't, then I smell a rat, which is very fishy. Just to 
say the least.

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#638629

FromSегg io <innvalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-03 13:03 -0500
Message-ID<oje0tg$18u1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#638625
On 7/3/2017 12:43 PM, Oveho Anými Trofyzikovu wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> 
>>>> But what about NASA and the kidnapped children on Mars????
>>>
>>> This is...disconcerting.
>>
>> Okay, lets suppose it ain't true, that NASA is not kidnapping children
>> on Mars, is it a movie then...coming out soon? a science fiction book??
>> Sounds too true to be good.
> 
> Nasa is a chicken, afraid putting men on Moon, and bring them safely back
> to Earth. Not because is easy. They already have ALL the KNOW-HOW they
> need. If they doesn't, then I smell a rat, which is very fishy. Just to
> say the least.
> 

You go to the Moon.

    (no air, no water, no food, no cosmic ray protection, no laundry.)

  You get to stay inside a CAN for your entire time.

   You gotta take EVERYTHING WITH YOU.

a good place for Starfarter.

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#638692

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2017-07-04 00:37 +0200
Message-ID<4613438.6fTUFtlzNn@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#638629
Sегg io wrote:

> You go to the Moon.
> 
>     (no air, no water, no food, no cosmic ray protection, no laundry.)

Air can be produced, e.g. by plants, like on the ISS.

There is strong evidence to suggest that there is water on the Moon all over 
the place, in minerals and as pellets and sheets of water ice (likely 
brought in by meteoroid and asteroid impacts).

Space suits already have limited cosmic ray protection.  Space suits that 
are now being developed for Mars will work fine on the Moon, too, with minor 
modifications.

Laundry is not a problem once you have air and water, however it will be 
more efficient to wear hydrophobic clothes that makes laundry unnecessary; 
there are already examples of that in serial production, like t-shirts that 
cannot get dirty.
 
>   You get to stay inside a CAN for your entire time.

That was not true then (where do you think do the Moon rocks on Earth come 
from?) and is certainly not true now.

Besides, if you build a moon-dome to live in, you can extend that dome over 
time.
 
>    You gotta take EVERYTHING WITH YOU.

No, there are natural resources there that can be used.  For example, if the 
moonship had a fusion reactor, you could fuel it with the helium-3 that you 
mine there.  The reactor could power machines like 3D printers.  Printed 
parts can be used to build small machines.  Small machines can be used to 
build bigger machines.  This is already being tested, on Earth, right now.
 
Learn *before* you post.  And stop the *mindless* crossposting.  And get a 
real name.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#638708

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-04 00:40 +0000
Message-ID<jo4r2e-u29.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#638692
In sci.physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> Sегg io wrote:
> 
>> You go to the Moon.
>> 
>>     (no air, no water, no food, no cosmic ray protection, no laundry.)
> 
> Air can be produced, e.g. by plants, like on the ISS.
> 
> There is strong evidence to suggest that there is water on the Moon all over 
> the place, in minerals and as pellets and sheets of water ice (likely 
> brought in by meteoroid and asteroid impacts).
> 
> Space suits already have limited cosmic ray protection.  Space suits that 
> are now being developed for Mars will work fine on the Moon, too, with minor 
> modifications.
> 
> Laundry is not a problem once you have air and water, however it will be 
> more efficient to wear hydrophobic clothes that makes laundry unnecessary; 
> there are already examples of that in serial production, like t-shirts that 
> cannot get dirty.
>  
>>   You get to stay inside a CAN for your entire time.
> 
> That was not true then (where do you think do the Moon rocks on Earth come 
> from?) and is certainly not true now.
> 
> Besides, if you build a moon-dome to live in, you can extend that dome over 
> time.
>  
>>    You gotta take EVERYTHING WITH YOU.
> 
> No, there are natural resources there that can be used.  For example, if the 
> moonship had a fusion reactor, you could fuel it with the helium-3 that you 
> mine there.  The reactor could power machines like 3D printers.  Printed 
> parts can be used to build small machines.  Small machines can be used to 
> build bigger machines.  This is already being tested, on Earth, right now.

There are no working, practical, helium-3 reactor power plants.

3D printers take special material to print and can not print more than
one material at a time.

3D printers can't make things like electronics or even electrical components
like wire, switches, motors, and relays.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#638787

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-04 13:29 -0500
Message-ID<llmnlc5evdk96tic5pahtiso6nspddk4h6@4ax.com>
In reply to#638708
Jimp, Jimp, Jimp....

Remember the long, looong argument we had about ten years back in which
you contended there would never, ever be any self-driving cars?  I just
had that very same argument with a neighbor, a retired accountant /
pilot / programmer, *even though you can go out, right now, and buy one
of the damn' things*, and in some states let it drive you home.

(Then I got him talking about airplanes and he suddenly went full-tilt
happy.)

An addiction to conflict can be a wretched affliction.

So OK, I'll start out by agreeing:  Yes, and there probably won't ever
be any 3HE power plants.  Take that!

But....

3D printers can print only one material at a time *from a given print
head*.  There are plenty of them available now, this very minute, which
print more than one material.

3D printers can make circuitry and electrical components.  Hell, they
had already long since been doing that a couple of years ago when some
boffin came up with a way to 3D print batteries to run them.

(They also can make buildings, metal airplane parts, soft tissue for
transplantation, optics.  Some of that requires machining afterwards of
the 3D-printed parts.)

So I disagree.  Feel better now?

I stayed out of that other thread because it was moving along too
happily as it was, but we're on a robotics project which will likely be
using industrial 3D printing tech to make many of its parts.  In fact,
we hope eventually to incorporate it directly into the plant to provide
it a limited but economically useful capacity for self-repair.

Yeah.

I love the 21st Century.  Glad we all made it.  Look and wonder: it's a
hell of a lot more fun than tag-team carping.

-- 
Goat


On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 00:40:19 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>There are no working, practical, helium-3 reactor power plants.
>
>3D printers take special material to print and can not print more than
>one material at a time.
>
>3D printers can't make things like electronics or even electrical components
>like wire, switches, motors, and relays.

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#638792

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-04 18:46 +0000
Message-ID<3e4t2e-i5g.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#638787
Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jimp, Jimp, Jimp....
> 
> Remember the long, looong argument we had about ten years back in which
> you contended there would never, ever be any self-driving cars?

I never said that.

<snip>

> 3D printers can print only one material at a time *from a given print
> head*.  There are plenty of them available now, this very minute, which
> print more than one material.

Not highly dissimilar materials like metal conductors and electrical
insulators though likely eventually.

<snip remaining arm waving>


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#638796

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-04 14:42 -0500
Message-ID<dornlc9c7ibtclovnfqqjao4kd0kc9q12l@4ax.com>
In reply to#638792
On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 18:46:59 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jimp, Jimp, Jimp....
>> 
>> Remember the long, looong argument we had about ten years back in which
>> you contended there would never, ever be any self-driving cars?
>
>I never said that.
>
><snip>
>
>> 3D printers can print only one material at a time *from a given print
>> head*.  There are plenty of them available now, this very minute, which
>> print more than one material.
>
>Not highly dissimilar materials like metal conductors and electrical
>insulators though likely eventually.
>
><snip remaining arm waving>

Sure you did.  In this very newsgroup.

The highlight of the discussion, as I recall, was you asserting that it
would never work because self-driving cars would never be able to things
like detect curbs buried entirely beneath snow, tasks which human
drivers also can't accomplish.

As for the arm-waving, it's all a description of technology which is
available, off the shelf, today.  Like those cars now are.

Enjoy your holiday.

-- 
Goat

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#638799

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-04 19:54 +0000
Message-ID<kc8t2e-jjg.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#638796
Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 18:46:59 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>>Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Jimp, Jimp, Jimp....
>>> 
>>> Remember the long, looong argument we had about ten years back in which
>>> you contended there would never, ever be any self-driving cars?
>>
>>I never said that.
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> 3D printers can print only one material at a time *from a given print
>>> head*.  There are plenty of them available now, this very minute, which
>>> print more than one material.
>>
>>Not highly dissimilar materials like metal conductors and electrical
>>insulators though likely eventually.
>>
>><snip remaining arm waving>
> 
> Sure you did.  In this very newsgroup.
> 
> The highlight of the discussion, as I recall, was you asserting that it
> would never work because self-driving cars would never be able to things
> like detect curbs buried entirely beneath snow, tasks which human
> drivers also can't accomplish.

Nope.

What I said was more along the lines of self-driving cars would eventually
fail due to litigation.

> As for the arm-waving, it's all a description of technology which is
> available, off the shelf, today.  Like those cars now are.

Nope.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#638840

FromSегg io <innvalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-04 19:28 -0500
Message-ID<ojhbsg$6k2$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#638799
On 7/4/2017 2:54 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 18:46:59 -0000, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Jimp, Jimp, Jimp....

>> The highlight of the discussion, as I recall, was you asserting that it
>> would never work because self-driving cars would never be able to things
>> like detect curbs buried entirely beneath snow, tasks which human
>> drivers also can't accomplish.
> 
> Nope.
> 
> What I said was more along the lines of self-driving cars would eventually
> fail due to litigation.

agree.

making SDCar more intellegent w more sensors etc, more algorithums etc 
will increase the probability of failure, a well known fact in 
Reliability Engineering, and can be specifically calculated.

> 
>> As for the arm-waving, it's all a description of technology which is
>> available, off the shelf, today.  Like those cars now are.
> 
> Nope.

agree.
most carry a high power laser for imaging, rangefinding, and the last I 
heard, Googles cost $50,000 (laser only)  operates at 905 nm I think. it 
is not eye safe within 3 foot.

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#638810

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-07-04 17:12 -0400
Message-ID<595c04be$0$41894$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#638708
On 7/3/2017 8:40 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> In sci.physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>> Sегg io wrote:
>>
>>> You go to the Moon.
>>>
>>>      (no air, no water, no food, no cosmic ray protection, no laundry.)
>>
>> Air can be produced, e.g. by plants, like on the ISS.
>>
>> There is strong evidence to suggest that there is water on the Moon all over
>> the place, in minerals and as pellets and sheets of water ice (likely
>> brought in by meteoroid and asteroid impacts).
>>
>> Space suits already have limited cosmic ray protection.  Space suits that
>> are now being developed for Mars will work fine on the Moon, too, with minor
>> modifications.
>>
>> Laundry is not a problem once you have air and water, however it will be
>> more efficient to wear hydrophobic clothes that makes laundry unnecessary;
>> there are already examples of that in serial production, like t-shirts that
>> cannot get dirty.
>>   
>>>    You get to stay inside a CAN for your entire time.
>>
>> That was not true then (where do you think do the Moon rocks on Earth come
>> from?) and is certainly not true now.
>>
>> Besides, if you build a moon-dome to live in, you can extend that dome over
>> time.
>>   
>>>     You gotta take EVERYTHING WITH YOU.
>>
>> No, there are natural resources there that can be used.  For example, if the
>> moonship had a fusion reactor, you could fuel it with the helium-3 that you
>> mine there.  The reactor could power machines like 3D printers.  Printed
>> parts can be used to build small machines.  Small machines can be used to
>> build bigger machines.  This is already being tested, on Earth, right now.
> 
> There are no working, practical, helium-3 reactor power plants.
> 
> 3D printers take special material to print and can not print more than
> one material at a time.


Of course they can. You must be a technician and the usual engineer that 
hang around here.

> 3D printers can't make things like electronics or even electrical components
> like wire, switches, motors, and relays.

Jim you are as dumb as a fence post. These days 3D printers that print 
in metal are common. Try doing a few searches on the computer befor 
opening your yap and embarrassing yourself and our country.

> 

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#638815

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-04 21:22 +0000
Message-ID<5idt2e-r5h.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#638810
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 7/3/2017 8:40 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>> Sегg io wrote:
>>>
>>>> You go to the Moon.
>>>>
>>>>      (no air, no water, no food, no cosmic ray protection, no laundry.)
>>>
>>> Air can be produced, e.g. by plants, like on the ISS.
>>>
>>> There is strong evidence to suggest that there is water on the Moon all over
>>> the place, in minerals and as pellets and sheets of water ice (likely
>>> brought in by meteoroid and asteroid impacts).
>>>
>>> Space suits already have limited cosmic ray protection.  Space suits that
>>> are now being developed for Mars will work fine on the Moon, too, with minor
>>> modifications.
>>>
>>> Laundry is not a problem once you have air and water, however it will be
>>> more efficient to wear hydrophobic clothes that makes laundry unnecessary;
>>> there are already examples of that in serial production, like t-shirts that
>>> cannot get dirty.
>>>   
>>>>    You get to stay inside a CAN for your entire time.
>>>
>>> That was not true then (where do you think do the Moon rocks on Earth come
>>> from?) and is certainly not true now.
>>>
>>> Besides, if you build a moon-dome to live in, you can extend that dome over
>>> time.
>>>   
>>>>     You gotta take EVERYTHING WITH YOU.
>>>
>>> No, there are natural resources there that can be used.  For example, if the
>>> moonship had a fusion reactor, you could fuel it with the helium-3 that you
>>> mine there.  The reactor could power machines like 3D printers.  Printed
>>> parts can be used to build small machines.  Small machines can be used to
>>> build bigger machines.  This is already being tested, on Earth, right now.
>> 
>> There are no working, practical, helium-3 reactor power plants.
>> 
>> 3D printers take special material to print and can not print more than
>> one material at a time.
> 
> 
> Of course they can. You must be a technician and the usual engineer that 
> hang around here.

Where's the 3D printer that prints steel and teflon?

>> 3D printers can't make things like electronics or even electrical components
>> like wire, switches, motors, and relays.
> 
> Jim you are as dumb as a fence post. These days 3D printers that print 
> in metal are common. Try doing a few searches on the computer befor 
> opening your yap and embarrassing yourself and our country.

Where's the 3D printer that prints #22 7 strand, tinned copper wire with
insulation?


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#638823

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2017-07-04 15:26 -0700
Message-ID<595C1605.13C@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#638815
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> > On 7/3/2017 8:40 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> In sci.physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> >>> Sегg io wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> You go to the Moon.
> >>>>
> >>>>      (no air, no water, no food, no cosmic ray protection, no laundry.)
> >>>
> >>> Air can be produced, e.g. by plants, like on the ISS.
> >>>
> >>> There is strong evidence to suggest that there is water on the Moon all over
> >>> the place, in minerals and as pellets and sheets of water ice (likely
> >>> brought in by meteoroid and asteroid impacts).
> >>>
> >>> Space suits already have limited cosmic ray protection.  Space suits that
> >>> are now being developed for Mars will work fine on the Moon, too, with minor
> >>> modifications.
> >>>
> >>> Laundry is not a problem once you have air and water, however it will be
> >>> more efficient to wear hydrophobic clothes that makes laundry unnecessary;
> >>> there are already examples of that in serial production, like t-shirts that
> >>> cannot get dirty.
> >>>
> >>>>    You get to stay inside a CAN for your entire time.
> >>>
> >>> That was not true then (where do you think do the Moon rocks on Earth come
> >>> from?) and is certainly not true now.
> >>>
> >>> Besides, if you build a moon-dome to live in, you can extend that dome over
> >>> time.
> >>>
> >>>>     You gotta take EVERYTHING WITH YOU.
> >>>
> >>> No, there are natural resources there that can be used.  For example, if the
> >>> moonship had a fusion reactor, you could fuel it with the helium-3 that you
> >>> mine there.  The reactor could power machines like 3D printers.  Printed
> >>> parts can be used to build small machines.  Small machines can be used to
> >>> build bigger machines.  This is already being tested, on Earth, right now.
> >>
> >> There are no working, practical, helium-3 reactor power plants.
> >>
> >> 3D printers take special material to print and can not print more than
> >> one material at a time.
> >
> >
> > Of course they can. You must be a technician and the usual engineer that
> > hang around here.
> 
> Where's the 3D printer that prints steel and teflon?
> 
> >> 3D printers can't make things like electronics or even electrical components
> >> like wire, switches, motors, and relays.
> >
> > Jim you are as dumb as a fence post. These days 3D printers that print
> > in metal are common. Try doing a few searches on the computer befor
> > opening your yap and embarrassing yourself and our country.
> 
> Where's the 3D printer that prints #22 7 strand, tinned copper wire with
> insulation?
> 
> --
> Jim Pennino



where is the 3d printer that printed this earth?

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#638836

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-07-04 20:21 -0400
Message-ID<595c30fe$0$10656$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#638815
On 7/4/2017 5:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 7/3/2017 8:40 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> In sci.physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>>> Sегg io wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You go to the Moon.
>>>>>
>>>>>       (no air, no water, no food, no cosmic ray protection, no laundry.)
>>>>
>>>> Air can be produced, e.g. by plants, like on the ISS.
>>>>
>>>> There is strong evidence to suggest that there is water on the Moon all over
>>>> the place, in minerals and as pellets and sheets of water ice (likely
>>>> brought in by meteoroid and asteroid impacts).
>>>>
>>>> Space suits already have limited cosmic ray protection.  Space suits that
>>>> are now being developed for Mars will work fine on the Moon, too, with minor
>>>> modifications.
>>>>
>>>> Laundry is not a problem once you have air and water, however it will be
>>>> more efficient to wear hydrophobic clothes that makes laundry unnecessary;
>>>> there are already examples of that in serial production, like t-shirts that
>>>> cannot get dirty.
>>>>    
>>>>>     You get to stay inside a CAN for your entire time.
>>>>
>>>> That was not true then (where do you think do the Moon rocks on Earth come
>>>> from?) and is certainly not true now.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, if you build a moon-dome to live in, you can extend that dome over
>>>> time.
>>>>    
>>>>>      You gotta take EVERYTHING WITH YOU.
>>>>
>>>> No, there are natural resources there that can be used.  For example, if the
>>>> moonship had a fusion reactor, you could fuel it with the helium-3 that you
>>>> mine there.  The reactor could power machines like 3D printers.  Printed
>>>> parts can be used to build small machines.  Small machines can be used to
>>>> build bigger machines.  This is already being tested, on Earth, right now.
>>>
>>> There are no working, practical, helium-3 reactor power plants.
>>>
>>> 3D printers take special material to print and can not print more than
>>> one material at a time.
>>
>>
>> Of course they can. You must be a technician and the usual engineer that
>> hang around here.
> 
> Where's the 3D printer that prints steel and teflon?

Chimp you are dumber and more embarrassing than ArchiePoo.
Don't you have enough sense to actually do a computer search before you 
open your stupid yap?

https://static1.sw-cdn.net/rrstatic/img/materials/steel-material-hub-20131023.jpg

They are steel "klein bottles". Go look them up or ask your butt-buddy 
HVAC.

>>> 3D printers can't make things like electronics or even electrical components
>>> like wire, switches, motors, and relays.
>>
>> Jim you are as dumb as a fence post. These days 3D printers that print
>> in metal are common. Try doing a few searches on the computer befor
>> opening your yap and embarrassing yourself and our country.
> 
> Where's the 3D printer that prints #22 7 strand, tinned copper wire with
> insulation?

How old are you? Old enough for the barrel boat? Old enough to get with 
Bert and Archie in the Alzheimer's contest? Nobody uses #22 7 strand 
wire anymore. Circuit boards are made with copper and plastic. Both of 
which are easily printable. Even the plating can be added. Do I have to 
teach you everything? Next you'll be asking if tube sockets can be made 
with 3D printing! Yes they can! Just think of it Chimp, you can whip out 
a socket for any kind of tube, octal, loctal, 9 pin minature, 7 pin 
miniature, compactron just with the touch of a computer key! What an 
advance in science!

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#638841

FromSегg io <innvalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-04 19:33 -0500
Message-ID<ojhc49$6qp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#638836
On 7/4/2017 7:21 PM, benj wrote:
> On 7/4/2017 5:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2017 8:40 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> In sci.physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>>>> Sегg io wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You go to the Moon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       (no air, no water, no food, no cosmic ray protection, no 
>>>>>> laundry.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Air can be produced, e.g. by plants, like on the ISS.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is strong evidence to suggest that there is water on the Moon 
>>>>> all over
>>>>> the place, in minerals and as pellets and sheets of water ice (likely
>>>>> brought in by meteoroid and asteroid impacts).
>>>>>
>>>>> Space suits already have limited cosmic ray protection.  Space 
>>>>> suits that
>>>>> are now being developed for Mars will work fine on the Moon, too, 
>>>>> with minor
>>>>> modifications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laundry is not a problem once you have air and water, however it 
>>>>> will be
>>>>> more efficient to wear hydrophobic clothes that makes laundry 
>>>>> unnecessary;
>>>>> there are already examples of that in serial production, like 
>>>>> t-shirts that
>>>>> cannot get dirty.
>>>>>>     You get to stay inside a CAN for your entire time.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was not true then (where do you think do the Moon rocks on 
>>>>> Earth come
>>>>> from?) and is certainly not true now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, if you build a moon-dome to live in, you can extend that 
>>>>> dome over
>>>>> time.
>>>>>>      You gotta take EVERYTHING WITH YOU.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, there are natural resources there that can be used.  For 
>>>>> example, if the
>>>>> moonship had a fusion reactor, you could fuel it with the helium-3 
>>>>> that you
>>>>> mine there.  The reactor could power machines like 3D printers.  
>>>>> Printed
>>>>> parts can be used to build small machines.  Small machines can be 
>>>>> used to
>>>>> build bigger machines.  This is already being tested, on Earth, 
>>>>> right now.
>>>>
>>>> There are no working, practical, helium-3 reactor power plants.
>>>>
>>>> 3D printers take special material to print and can not print more than
>>>> one material at a time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course they can. You must be a technician and the usual engineer that
>>> hang around here.
>>
>> Where's the 3D printer that prints steel and teflon?
> 
> Chimp you are dumber and more embarrassing than ArchiePoo.
> Don't you have enough sense to actually do a computer search before you 
> open your stupid yap?
> 
> https://static1.sw-cdn.net/rrstatic/img/materials/steel-material-hub-20131023.jpg 
> 
> 
> They are steel "klein bottles". Go look them up or ask your butt-buddy 
> HVAC.

  and embarrassing yourself and our country.
>>
>> Where's the 3D printer that prints #22 7 strand, tinned copper wire with
>> insulation?
> 
> How old are you? Old enough for the barrel boat? Old enough to get with 
> Bert and Archie in the Alzheimer's contest? Nobody uses #22 7 strand 
> wire anymore. Circuit boards are made with copper and plastic. Both of 
> which are easily printable. Even the plating can be added. Do I have to 
> teach you everything? Next you'll be asking if tube sockets can be made 
> with 3D printing! Yes they can! Just think of it Chimp, you can whip out 
> a socket for any kind of tube, octal, loctal, 9 pin minature, 7 pin 
> miniature, compactron just with the touch of a computer key! What an 
> advance in science!
> 
> 

nice thought,  I can repair my car with tools I print out on my 3D 
printer!  (but I have to buy materials, hardened steel wire, Argon Gas, 
etc, so a 10mm socket will cost me $30 and about 4 hours of time.)

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#638846

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-05 00:45 +0000
Message-ID<qdpt2e-vfi.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#638836
benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 7/4/2017 5:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2017 8:40 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>> In sci.physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>>>> Sегg io wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You go to the Moon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       (no air, no water, no food, no cosmic ray protection, no laundry.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Air can be produced, e.g. by plants, like on the ISS.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is strong evidence to suggest that there is water on the Moon all over
>>>>> the place, in minerals and as pellets and sheets of water ice (likely
>>>>> brought in by meteoroid and asteroid impacts).
>>>>>
>>>>> Space suits already have limited cosmic ray protection.  Space suits that
>>>>> are now being developed for Mars will work fine on the Moon, too, with minor
>>>>> modifications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laundry is not a problem once you have air and water, however it will be
>>>>> more efficient to wear hydrophobic clothes that makes laundry unnecessary;
>>>>> there are already examples of that in serial production, like t-shirts that
>>>>> cannot get dirty.
>>>>>    
>>>>>>     You get to stay inside a CAN for your entire time.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was not true then (where do you think do the Moon rocks on Earth come
>>>>> from?) and is certainly not true now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, if you build a moon-dome to live in, you can extend that dome over
>>>>> time.
>>>>>    
>>>>>>      You gotta take EVERYTHING WITH YOU.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, there are natural resources there that can be used.  For example, if the
>>>>> moonship had a fusion reactor, you could fuel it with the helium-3 that you
>>>>> mine there.  The reactor could power machines like 3D printers.  Printed
>>>>> parts can be used to build small machines.  Small machines can be used to
>>>>> build bigger machines.  This is already being tested, on Earth, right now.
>>>>
>>>> There are no working, practical, helium-3 reactor power plants.
>>>>
>>>> 3D printers take special material to print and can not print more than
>>>> one material at a time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course they can. You must be a technician and the usual engineer that
>>> hang around here.
>> 
>> Where's the 3D printer that prints steel and teflon?
> 
> Chimp you are dumber

Unable to answer the question, the troll fall back to ad hominem.

<snip remaining troll babble>


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#638853

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-07-04 21:39 -0400
Message-ID<595c4342$0$51763$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#638846
On 7/4/2017 8:45 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 7/4/2017 5:22 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/2017 8:40 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>> In sci.physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
>>>>>> Sегg io wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You go to the Moon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        (no air, no water, no food, no cosmic ray protection, no laundry.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Air can be produced, e.g. by plants, like on the ISS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is strong evidence to suggest that there is water on the Moon all over
>>>>>> the place, in minerals and as pellets and sheets of water ice (likely
>>>>>> brought in by meteoroid and asteroid impacts).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Space suits already have limited cosmic ray protection.  Space suits that
>>>>>> are now being developed for Mars will work fine on the Moon, too, with minor
>>>>>> modifications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laundry is not a problem once you have air and water, however it will be
>>>>>> more efficient to wear hydrophobic clothes that makes laundry unnecessary;
>>>>>> there are already examples of that in serial production, like t-shirts that
>>>>>> cannot get dirty.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>      You get to stay inside a CAN for your entire time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was not true then (where do you think do the Moon rocks on Earth come
>>>>>> from?) and is certainly not true now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, if you build a moon-dome to live in, you can extend that dome over
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>       You gotta take EVERYTHING WITH YOU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, there are natural resources there that can be used.  For example, if the
>>>>>> moonship had a fusion reactor, you could fuel it with the helium-3 that you
>>>>>> mine there.  The reactor could power machines like 3D printers.  Printed
>>>>>> parts can be used to build small machines.  Small machines can be used to
>>>>>> build bigger machines.  This is already being tested, on Earth, right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are no working, practical, helium-3 reactor power plants.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3D printers take special material to print and can not print more than
>>>>> one material at a time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course they can. You must be a technician and the usual engineer that
>>>> hang around here.
>>>
>>> Where's the 3D printer that prints steel and teflon?
>>
>> Chimp you are dumber
> 
> Unable to answer the question, the troll fall back to ad hominem.

Blind and deaf Chimp pretends not to have read the actual link I gave 
him to 3D printed steel. (picture and all so he could understand)
Yeah that's it, Chimp. You SAY you've "won" and that means you've "won" 
and I'm a troll. Next time look up your own damn references if WebTV can 
handle it.

All you have is fantasy, lies, ignorance and ad hominem.

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